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Postby *Laura » Fri Apr 27, 2007 8:50 am

Just read a funny article with this title and thought of bringing it here... LOL... Talking about "iconic" bands & albums!



Rock music is all about iconic albums: the Catchy Debut, the Uneven Sophomore Effort, the Live Album, the Greatest Hits and the Embarrassing Late-Career-Let's-Try-It-One-More-Time Release.
But none of these is quite as intriguing as the Crazy Album.
This one usually occurs after a group has had some success, shaken off some measure of big-label control and wants to take on a really big project that will stretch them as artists.

The Crazy Album is also a litmus test. It can reveal the limitations of the artist's talent and the limitlessness of the artist's ego. Or, it can be amazingly awesome-tacular and catapult the artist to a new level of recognition and success.
The possibility of the latter is all the incentive many acts need to attempt the Crazy Album.

Sure, some artists release exclusively Crazy Albums (Flaming Lips, Beck) and some never will
(it's hard, though ultimately worthwhile, to envision a Backstreet Boys concept project), but there are a surprising number of acts that try it just once.

Let's take a look at some of the big hits and huge misses of Crazy Album efforts.


Bob Dylan: "Slow Train Coming" (1979)

Really, you could make a case for almost any Bob Dylan album being the Crazy Album, but this 1979 collection of Christian tunes stands out.
Recorded after Dylan says he was visited by Jesus in a Tucson, Ariz., hotel room (!), it was filled with enough theology and preaching to delight believers while making Dylan fans wonder what the hell happened to Bob.
Still, being an album by arguably the greatest singer-songwriter of all time and a guy who always fared pretty well at surprising people, it was still pretty damn -- excuse me -- darn good.
At the time, Dylan swore he'd never play secular music again, but in a couple years, the Crazy subsided and secular Bob was back.
Craziness Factor: 6


Kiss: "Music From 'The Elder'" (1981)

The sound stemming from the combination of glam/monster megaband Kiss with the form of prog rock is roughly akin to the Alan Parsons Project being systematically fed into a wood chipper.
The band had already produced two live albums and four simultaneously released solo albums by 1981.
And, while "Gene Simmons as balladeer" is pretty Crazy, "Music From 'The Elder'" featured a young boy being recruited by a secret society of elderly crime fighters, thus earning it Crazy Album status.
The reaction was so stinging that within two years the band would be removing their makeup, singing "Lick It Up" and making society even worse.
Craziness Factor: 8


Styx: "Kilroy Was Here" (1983)

Here we see an example of the Desperation Crazy Album, often trotted out when a band's popularity has begun to wane and it feels a need to reinvent itself and possibly pursue an idea that has been kicked around for a number of years.
When the Beatles did it, it became "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." But Styx is not the Beatles, and so you get this.
Most famous for the melodramatic single "Mr. Roboto," it's a concept album of a futuristic world where an oppressive, ultra-conservative regime wants to stamp out heavy metal. Or something.
You'd think that eliminating metal would delight Styx, but whatever.
While "Mr. Roboto" is roundly and justly mocked, several other songs have never received the mocking they deserve.
Craziness Factor: 4


Radiohead: "OK Computer" (1997)

To many casual fans, Radiohead was best known for putting out the morose-yet-catchy song "Creep."
But that was before the triumphant and highly Crazy "OK Computer."
The band abandoned the more personal songwriting of their first two albums and fashioned a futuristic sci-fi dystopia.
"OK Computer" was a huge critical and commercial success, skillfully combining innovation, intelligence and quality music.
Radiohead has released other Crazy Albums since, but none would ever touch the hem of this Crazy garment. "OK Computer" was their turning point.
Craziness Factor: 8


Guns N' Roses: "Chinese Democracy" (Never?)

After 13 years and with more than $13 million in production costs; a lead guitarist who, for a while, wore a KFC bucket on his head;
And, more speculation, confusion and mockery than anything ever made by any humans anywhere ever, Axl Rose, along with whatever temps he managed to round up, is once again very close to releasing this album. Supposedly.
It was scheduled for this month, then quietly withdrawn. Again.
It could not possibly be worth the wait, and it might not be as bad as everyone expects, but, regardless, there is no way in the world it is not the Crazy Album.
Craziness Factor: We'll go out on a limb and say, on a scale of one to 10, this will be a 45.




The obvious question ensues:which one of Journey's album is the Crazy Album?

Pick one and please elaborate... :D

Also,can we add other bands with Crazy Albums to the list? ...My pick is Bon Jovi's country madness "Lost Highway".
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Postby Liam » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:37 am

Not a FULL album but I'd say Red 13. Sounds like the drums were recorded in a tin can. :lol:
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Postby Greg » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:01 am

Escape79 wrote:Not a FULL album but I'd say Red 13. Sounds like the drums were recorded in a tin can. :lol:


Speaking of that, I would've added St. Anger from Metallica to that list.
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:02 am

Escape79 wrote:Not a FULL album but I'd say Red 13. Sounds like the drums were recorded in a tin can. :lol:


Better than Metallica's Crazy Album, "St. Anger".
Was Lars banging a snare or an empty trash can???

As for Good Crazy Album, Silverchair's 'Diorama' comes to mind.
They got alittle experimental with some orchestra accompaniment and it worked really well.
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Postby Liam » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:16 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Not a FULL album but I'd say Red 13. Sounds like the drums were recorded in a tin can. :lol:


Better than Metallica's Crazy Album, "St. Anger".
Was Lars banging a snare or an empty trash can???

As for Good Crazy Album, Silverchair's 'Diorama' comes to mind.
They got alittle experimental with some orchestra accompaniment and it worked really well.


I would've added St. Anger for Metallica but I was just mentioning Journey's "crazy album". I agree on St. Anger being crap and horribly produced.
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Postby Greg » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:35 am

Escape79 wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Not a FULL album but I'd say Red 13. Sounds like the drums were recorded in a tin can. :lol:


Better than Metallica's Crazy Album, "St. Anger".
Was Lars banging a snare or an empty trash can???

As for Good Crazy Album, Silverchair's 'Diorama' comes to mind.
They got alittle experimental with some orchestra accompaniment and it worked really well.


I would've added St. Anger for Metallica but I was just mentioning Journey's "crazy album". I agree on St. Anger being crap and horribly produced.


Luckily I think they are going back to their "black album" sound...at least that is what I heard from the soundbytes on youtube.com. I also saw an interview with the band, and they are putting back in the Kirk solos (which never should have been taken out) and Lars will no longer be playing oil pans...lol!
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Postby Liam » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:07 am

Greggie wrote:
Escape79 wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Not a FULL album but I'd say Red 13. Sounds like the drums were recorded in a tin can. :lol:


Better than Metallica's Crazy Album, "St. Anger".
Was Lars banging a snare or an empty trash can???

As for Good Crazy Album, Silverchair's 'Diorama' comes to mind.
They got alittle experimental with some orchestra accompaniment and it worked really well.


I would've added St. Anger for Metallica but I was just mentioning Journey's "crazy album". I agree on St. Anger being crap and horribly produced.


Luckily I think they are going back to their "black album" sound...at least that is what I heard from the soundbytes on youtube.com. I also saw an interview with the band, and they are putting back in the Kirk solos (which never should have been taken out) and Lars will no longer be playing oil pans...lol!


Thank God. I couldn't take another St. Anger. EESH.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Fri Apr 27, 2007 11:15 am

journeys would have to be the Dream album,, the songs are great ,, and strange,, agree with the dylan and kiss, 8) but the different albums allways have greatness.. well ..Guns n Roses weird album would have to be the Spaghetti Incident .. very bizzare move!
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Postby JrnyScarab » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:01 pm

The Scorpions "Eye to Eye". After great albums like Blackout, Lovedrive and Animal Magnetism, I can't figure out what they were thinking putting this Crazy crap out. Very strange CD. I still can't believe it's them. One review I read said he would give it negative stars if that was possible. I think Esteban or Sanjaya is better than this! :lol: :lol:

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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:10 pm

JrnyScarab wrote:Esteban


why you have to bring esteban into this? 8)

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Postby JrnyScarab » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:14 pm

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:Esteban


why you have to bring esteban into this? 8)

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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:20 pm

JrnyScarab wrote:
LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
JrnyScarab wrote:Esteban


why you have to bring esteban into this? 8)

LOL! :lol: Esteban and his plywood guitars.


i saw one the other day,, was complete garbage!! sure looks good on tv...
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Postby Liam » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:24 pm

Well...I mentioned Journey...so here are a few more...

Def Leppard- A tie between Sl@ng and Yeah (Sl@ng I like...but I don't really like cover albums)

Rush - 2112 (But THIS crazy Worked. Just saying "Fuck it...we're doing it OUR way")

Aerosmith - Just Push Play (What a fuckin' waste of $13)

Van Halen - 5150 (New singer. AWESOME change in my book)

Yes - 90125

Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:30 pm

Escape79 wrote:
Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)


oh man.. no foolin.. after News of the World i was hooked,, my new fav band,, then we get , "bicycle,, bicycle.. i want to ride my...." ugh,, Fat Bottomed Girls Saved it.. but still.. bad... after coming off a masterpiece,, and also,,,, i love the lindsey buckingham fleetwood mac... Rumors was amazing for the time.. but Tusk?,,, what was he thinking,, i go back and dig on it some ,, but over all for a double album? no way....
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Postby AR » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:34 pm

Kiss: "Music From 'The Elder'" (1981)

The sound stemming from the combination of glam/monster megaband Kiss with the form of prog rock is roughly akin to the Alan Parsons Project being systematically fed into a wood chipper.
The band had already produced two live albums and four simultaneously released solo albums by 1981.
And, while "Gene Simmons as balladeer" is pretty Crazy, "Music From 'The Elder'" featured a young boy being recruited by a secret society of elderly crime fighters, thus earning it Crazy Album status.
The reaction was so stinging that within two years the band would be removing their makeup, singing "Lick It Up" and making society even worse.
Craziness Factor: 8


From the ABC show Fridays - A World Without Heroes from Music from the Elder - 1981

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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:36 pm

AR wrote:
Kiss: "Music From 'The Elder'" (1981)

The sound stemming from the combination of glam/monster megaband Kiss with the form of prog rock is roughly akin to the Alan Parsons Project being systematically fed into a wood chipper.
The band had already produced two live albums and four simultaneously released solo albums by 1981.
And, while "Gene Simmons as balladeer" is pretty Crazy, "Music From 'The Elder'" featured a young boy being recruited by a secret society of elderly crime fighters, thus earning it Crazy Album status.
The reaction was so stinging that within two years the band would be removing their makeup, singing "Lick It Up" and making society even worse.
Craziness Factor: 8


From the ABC show Fridays - A World Without Heroes from Music from the Elder - 1981

http://youtube.com/watch?v=D9W77dbsSiE


great stuff man,, the michael richards years! ...
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Postby 7 Wishes » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:09 pm

What about bands that do Crazy Albums for a decade and then go mainstream? Genesis comes to mind. I LOVE their entire catalogue - I'm a huge Peter Gabriel fan (he can do no wrong, and is SOOOO under-rated)..."Trick of the Tail" is the band's best album ever, by a long shot...but after "...And Then There Were Three", the band went mainstream. I liked a lot of that music, and I have an affinity for "I Can't Dance". Journey released a few "Crazy Albums" Before Steve, and I would say "Next" was the most bizzare of them all. Do you think this board would have existed if Fleischman had stayed on as lead singer?
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:15 pm

Escape79 wrote:Well...I mentioned Journey...so here are a few more...

Def Leppard- A tie between Sl@ng and Yeah (Sl@ng I like...but I don't really like cover albums)

Rush - 2112 (But THIS crazy Worked. Just saying "Fuck it...we're doing it OUR way")

Aerosmith - Just Push Play (What a fuckin' waste of $13)

Van Halen - 5150 (New singer. AWESOME change in my book)

Yes - 90125

Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)
Damn, loved "Jazz"... still do! 8)
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Postby ohsosoto » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:42 pm

LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Escape79 wrote:
Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)


oh man.. no foolin.. after News of the World i was hooked,, my new fav band,, then we get , "bicycle,, bicycle.. i want to ride my...." ugh,, Fat Bottomed Girls Saved it.. but still.. bad... after coming off a masterpiece,, and also,,,, i love the lindsey buckingham fleetwood mac... Rumors was amazing for the time.. but Tusk?,,, what was he thinking,, i go back and dig on it some ,, but over all for a double album? no way....
you waited to like queen until this album? what about all their earlier albums? they were the foundation for all the others. imo, a lot of overlooked.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Fri Apr 27, 2007 2:03 pm

ohsosoto wrote:
LarryFromNextDoor wrote:
Escape79 wrote:
Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)


oh man.. no foolin.. after News of the World i was hooked,, my new fav band,, then we get , "bicycle,, bicycle.. i want to ride my...." ugh,, Fat Bottomed Girls Saved it.. but still.. bad... after coming off a masterpiece,, and also,,,, i love the lindsey buckingham fleetwood mac... Rumors was amazing for the time.. but Tusk?,,, what was he thinking,, i go back and dig on it some ,, but over all for a double album? no way....
you waited to like queen until this album? what about all their earlier albums? they were the foundation for all the others. imo, a lot of overlooked.


i was 10,, thought i was doing well,,
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Postby *Laura » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:13 pm

I had to ponder a bit on Journey's Crazy Album...My initial pick was "Dream Afrer Dream" - that IS one crazy,non-Journey album,however it was just a semi-obscure experiment and the band didn't make a fuss about it.
The *real* Crazy Album that somewhat fits the article description must be ROR.Still,for me it's a Good Crazy Album.
I can't find major faults as it was a well produced record.Great vocals,awesome guitar and catchy lines...
Ok, I never thought I could find similarities between Journey and the Pointer Sisters ("Positive Touch" - "I'm So Excited" :lol: ),but I guess that's why it's a Crazy Album after all!



Another add to the list: Bruce Springsteen's "The Seeger Sessions".The Boss produced a monumental fart with that one.Ewwwww.
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Postby Matthew » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:44 pm

JGal wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Well...I mentioned Journey...so here are a few more...

Def Leppard- A tie between Sl@ng and Yeah (Sl@ng I like...but I don't really like cover albums)

Rush - 2112 (But THIS crazy Worked. Just saying "Fuck it...we're doing it OUR way")

Aerosmith - Just Push Play (What a fuckin' waste of $13)

Van Halen - 5150 (New singer. AWESOME change in my book)

Yes - 90125

Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)
Damn, loved "Jazz"... still do! 8)


Surely Hot Space was Queen's Crazy Album?
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Postby conversationpc » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:24 pm

Escape79 wrote:Rush - 2112 (But THIS crazy Worked. Just saying "Fuck it...we're doing it OUR way")


Rush really hadn't had much mainstream success before this album and they had also put out that kind of music previously, i.e. "By-Tor & the Snow Dog", and most of the "Caress of Steel" album.
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Postby belar » Sat Apr 28, 2007 1:36 am

First of all, I think Dream After Dream would have to be listed as Journey's crazy album, even though it wasn't marketed as a mainstream thing. It was certainly VERY different from anything else they had done or have done since.

Escape79 wrote:Well...I mentioned Journey...so here are a few more...

Def Leppard- A tie between Sl@ng and Yeah (Sl@ng I like...but I don't really like cover albums)

Rush - 2112 (But THIS crazy Worked. Just saying "Fuck it...we're doing it OUR way")

Aerosmith - Just Push Play (What a fuckin' waste of $13)

Van Halen - 5150 (New singer. AWESOME change in my book)

Yes - 90125

Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)


Def Leppard - I agree that Slang was their crazy album, but it is DAMN good. I've been spinning it more in the past couple of years than ever before and everytime I find something new to like. I like Yeah, too, but I know most don't. I actually think some of the best Yeah tracks are on the Wal-Mart bonus CD.

Rush - Sometimes I think that Rush's whole career is their crazy CD. They are like no other band in history, in terms of songwriting, lyrics, production, etc., but they continue to rock.

Aerosmith - I would argue that either Done With Mirrors (just weird) or Honkin' On Bobo (meh) would be their crazy album. Personally, I loved Just Push Play.

Van Halen - I'm just not sure what to answer here - when Sammy came in, they changed into a completely different band with a more pop rock sound instead of the harder rock of Dave. I think their crazy CD might be Van Halen 3, though.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:13 am

belar wrote:Van Halen - I'm just not sure what to answer here - when Sammy came in, they changed into a completely different band with a more pop rock sound instead of the harder rock of Dave. I think their crazy CD might be Van Halen 3, though.


Gotta disagree on the statement on them having more of a pop rock sound. I think they rocked HARDER with Sammy, though SOME of their tunes were more pop-rock than with Dave. They did kinda lose the boogie-style feel of some of the rock numbers previous to Hagar, though, but songs like "Good Enough", "Get Up", "Summer Nights", "Best of Both Worlds", and others on the albums after "5150" rocked harder than most of the stuff previous to it.
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:37 am

Matthew wrote:
JGal wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Well...I mentioned Journey...so here are a few more...

Def Leppard- A tie between Sl@ng and Yeah (Sl@ng I like...but I don't really like cover albums)

Rush - 2112 (But THIS crazy Worked. Just saying "Fuck it...we're doing it OUR way")

Aerosmith - Just Push Play (What a fuckin' waste of $13)

Van Halen - 5150 (New singer. AWESOME change in my book)

Yes - 90125

Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)
Damn, loved "Jazz"... still do! 8)


Surely Hot Space was Queen's Crazy Album?


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Postby Liam » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:42 am

Matthew wrote:
JGal wrote:
Escape79 wrote:Well...I mentioned Journey...so here are a few more...

Def Leppard- A tie between Sl@ng and Yeah (Sl@ng I like...but I don't really like cover albums)

Rush - 2112 (But THIS crazy Worked. Just saying "Fuck it...we're doing it OUR way")

Aerosmith - Just Push Play (What a fuckin' waste of $13)

Van Halen - 5150 (New singer. AWESOME change in my book)

Yes - 90125

Queen - Jazz (I STILL can't get into this gay ass album. Again..IMO)
Damn, loved "Jazz"... still do! 8)


Surely Hot Space was Queen's Crazy Album?


That's a close 2nd. TRUST me...I WAS debating. :lol:
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Re: The Crazy Album

Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:43 am

Shania wrote:Just read a funny article with this title and thought of bringing it here... LOL... Talking about "iconic" bands & albums!


:oops: did I start something...?

"Rock music is all about iconic albums."

It's also about iconic singers, guitarists, drummers, artwork, etc. I think JOURNEY has two icons
1. SP's voice.
2. E5C4P3's album cover. It's got to be THE rock album cover icon of the 80's.

I agree with your choosing ROR as JOURNEY's crazy album.
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Postby conversationpc » Sat Apr 28, 2007 2:47 am

FyreWyngz wrote:
Matthew wrote:Surely Hot Space was Queen's Crazy Album?


Without question!


"Hot Space" was terrible. "The Miracle" had two or three good songs, but that one wasn't much better, in my opinion. Both are anomalies in the Queen catalogue.
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Postby ohsosoto » Sat Apr 28, 2007 3:07 pm

conversationpc wrote:
FyreWyngz wrote:
Matthew wrote:Surely Hot Space was Queen's Crazy Album?


Without question!


"Hot Space" was terrible. "The Miracle" had two or three good songs, but that one wasn't much better, in my opinion. Both are anomalies in the Queen catalogue.
imo, start with queens earlier albums. a lot more creativity while changin it up.
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