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Postby JSS » Thu May 03, 2007 6:25 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:Since I got "Lost In The Translation" from iTunes last year,
I had taken in the majority of listens while driving in my car or
while doing things at work. Because of that, I never really "listened"
to this album... until recently.

Lately I have been truly listening and absorbing this album thru my
Bose Triports while doing lawn work or at the gym and have discovered
a few things that I just thought I'd share. I'm curious as to what others might think.

First off, this album is more amazing than I originally thought. And it's not just
the songs or the production (all killer, no filler). It's even more amazing now
because I can almost hear where Journey has the potential to go.
I could hear songs like Find Our Way, If This Is The End and, of course, Believe In Me
on a future Journey release without losing any of their freshness and edge. Hell, anyone else
notice that you can pratically sing AWYWI to the chorus of High Time?
Anyone worried that Jeff can't write Journey-Style tunes take notice.

Secondly, the musicianship on this album is incredible. Now, since I got this album from iTunes,
I don't have the liner-notes to know who's playing guitar on each song. I know Neal is on BIM.
But how are the guitar duties/parts split up between Gary and Howie? There are some really amazing
riffs/solos throughout this album. And I guess I had no idea that Jeff was as talented on the Bass as he is.
You can hear many influences throughout this album as well; Journey, Queen... But one influence or
'comparison" I heard was actually a real treat. Some may not like this or agree with what I
think I heard but...

My third discovery was that alot of songs, melodies and guitar playing on this album
reminded me of one of my own favorite albums of the early 90's:
Extreme's "III-Sided Story". Some of you may take that as a diss to Jeff if you hated this band but
I mean it in the sincerest form of compliment. There is some riff-age and solo work on this
album that harkens back to some of Nuno's greatest playing. Anyone thinking that comparing some of
Howie and Garys' playing to Nuno's as a diss is out of their minds.
And the big vocal harmonies and lead vocal work; I could hear Cherone singing some of these tracks.
Again, I mean this in the sincerest for of a compliment.
I just wonder if Jeff, Gary and Howie were ever big fans of Extreme or this album?
Heck, Sacred Eyes is very remeniscent of Hole-Hearted.

Anyway, those are some of the things I've re-discovered about this
amazing album and just wanted to share with you all.


Much obliged dude, I was very happy with the album especially since I did a rush job on it as I was writing/recording the Soul SirkUS album simultaneously...it even got to the point where I had to turn in my album mixed & completed before I was leaving on another solo tour, literally had 11 days to sing all 11 songs before my departure date but hadn't written ONE lyric or melody line! I did them one at a time, wrote the lyric/melody in the afternoon & blasted out the vocal that night, backgrounds & all. I couldn't believe the pressure I was in & thought there was no way I'd get it done or that it would suck but all worked out great in the end, seems the added pressure made for a decent result :)

As posted earlier, Howie Simon did all solos & most rhythm guitars (bass on the songs he co-wrote), Neal did the one, Gary played guitar on his 2 musical contributions, I played bass, keys, some guitar on the rest. And yes, I was VERY aware High Time could have AWYWI hummed along to the chorus, joked about it actually. I remember having to come up with something so different from that song to take the listener away from thinking that but couldn't pull the wool over your eyes!

I absolutely LOVE Extreme, maybe not the last album they did so much but III Sides was in my CD magazine for years, brilliant album in many ways. I have done many an interview stating working with Nuno would be a dream, he thinks & writes rhythmically like no other, we could have made some serious jams. Gary is a huge fan too but I don't think Howie is so much, Howie is more into the European guys like the Yngwie's, Schenker, kind of players not the American style guys.

I don't know that I would personally inject Journey with the influences of my solo records, it's more like Journey forced me to inject those flavors into my music here & there, I would put more of those inflections I 'fought' on my albums as now there is a natural home for them. Time will tell where we go with the new album but the new song we have is 100% Journey...the vocal inflections naturally come out of me as if I were singing one of the older songs, in the same way Coming Home from the SS album did. :)
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Postby chf34jmac » Thu May 03, 2007 6:27 am

I could see them holding back some solo work for a bit so it doesn't confuse people thinking it is all Journey work, but I think they will let Jeff soar and do his own thing soon enough. Patience grasshopper, patience. :D
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Postby txfirefighter » Thu May 03, 2007 6:28 am

GirlLikeYou wrote:
chf34jmac wrote:I don't know why you guys are ducking. The Journey guys all do side projects. Why would the rule be different for JSS?


I guess cuz it is a Journey forum huh?


I don't think the rules would be different for Jeff. Especially considering the vast back catalogue of work he has done. But like Debbie said, this IS a Journey forum, and most people are wanting Jeff to concentrate on new Journey material, not when he might perform his solo tunes again. I know....let's let Jeff weigh in on the subject! 8)
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Thu May 03, 2007 6:39 am

thanks for the notes, Jeff.

I thought that 'Coming Home' was kind of a tribute to SP when I first heard it but now we see that this is the way Jeff sings, all the time. I guess that 'inflection' is a good word for that jeffism. His 'inflection' is on every album, and, yes Virginia, even REDLIST.

Anyone of the songs could be my favorite. Seriously, not all albums have every song as the best with no 'I think I'll skip this one today''in the group.

but I do 'rewind' and play Dulce Debbie -I mean Lady- first so I can hear it twice each time. 8)
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Re: Revisiting Jeff's "Lost In The Translation" Al

Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu May 03, 2007 6:40 am

JSS wrote:Time will tell where we go with the new album but the new song we have is 100% Journey...the vocal inflections naturally come out of me as if I were singing one of the older songs, in the same way Coming Home from the SS album did. :)


Thanks for the insight :)

You did bring up a point, though, that raised one more question...
You mention that for this first, new Journey song that the Journey-styled inflections
are coming naturally to you now. How hard is it for you to just switch gears back to
your solo style or Talisman styles?
Is it no problem or will you need some serious rehersal time before the Talisman tour
to 're-learn' that style or 'un-learn' the Journey style?
That make sense??? :lol:
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Re: Revisiting Jeff's "Lost In The Translation" Al

Postby conversationpc » Thu May 03, 2007 6:45 am

JSS wrote:I absolutely LOVE Extreme, maybe not the last album they did so much but III Sides was in my CD magazine for years, brilliant album in many ways. I have done many an interview stating working with Nuno would be a dream, he thinks & writes rhythmically like no other, we could have made some serious jams. Gary is a huge fan too but I don't think Howie is so much, Howie is more into the European guys like the Yngwie's, Schenker, kind of players not the American style guys.


I would love to hear you do a cover of "Hole Hearted". Brilliant song and I think your voice would work perfectly with it, not that Cherone's voice didn't.
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Postby Deb » Thu May 03, 2007 6:48 am

GirlLikeYou wrote:but I do 'rewind' and play Dulce Debbie -I mean Lady- first so I can hear it twice each time. 8)


Too funny (yet a little freaky :lol: ), definately a Debbie thing! First it was "Crazy", now "Dulce Lady". LOL by the way, it's "Dulce La-deh" get the inflection right would ya! :lol: :wink:
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Re: Revisiting Jeff's "Lost In The Translation" Al

Postby JSS » Thu May 03, 2007 6:51 am

Carlitto H@kk wrote:
JSS wrote:Time will tell where we go with the new album but the new song we have is 100% Journey...the vocal inflections naturally come out of me as if I were singing one of the older songs, in the same way Coming Home from the SS album did. :)


Thanks for the insight :)

You did bring up a point, though, that raised one more question...
You mention that for this first, new Journey song that the Journey-styled inflections
are coming naturally to you now. How hard is it for you to just switch gears back to
your solo style or Talisman styles?
Is it no problem or will you need some serious rehersal time before the Talisman tour
to 're-learn' that style or 'un-learn' the Journey style?
That make sense??? :lol:


It's not hard at all, I have the natural Perry/Cooke-isms in me all the time, I pull them back a bit so it won't seem like I'm trying to rip off or copy either singer but they are part of my natural way of thinking/writing/singing so as I am just 'me' on both or rather, all vocal situations, with Journey I know I can let them soar without hesitation. Of course I expect the backlash even there, critics or naysayers exclaiming I don't have my own style & I am trying my best to borrow what was already there (you wait, there'll be plenty a comparison/gripe), but it IS Journey, why wouldn't I let those influences finally come out without having to worry about sounding too much like....erm, JOURNEY!
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Re: Revisiting Jeff's "Lost In The Translation" Al

Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Thu May 03, 2007 7:12 am

JSS wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:
JSS wrote:Time will tell where we go with the new album but the new song we have is 100% Journey...the vocal inflections naturally come out of me as if I were singing one of the older songs, in the same way Coming Home from the SS album did. :)


Thanks for the insight :)

You did bring up a point, though, that raised one more question...
You mention that for this first, new Journey song that the Journey-styled inflections
are coming naturally to you now. How hard is it for you to just switch gears back to
your solo style or Talisman styles?
Is it no problem or will you need some serious rehersal time before the Talisman tour
to 're-learn' that style or 'un-learn' the Journey style?
That make sense??? :lol:


It's not hard at all, I have the natural Perry/Cooke-isms in me all the time, I pull them back a bit so it won't seem like I'm trying to rip off or copy either singer but they are part of my natural way of thinking/writing/singing so as I am just 'me' on both or rather, all vocal situations, with Journey I know I can let them soar without hesitation. Of course I expect the backlash even there, critics or naysayers exclaiming I don't have my own style & I am trying my best to borrow what was already there (you wait, there'll be plenty a comparison/gripe), but it IS Journey, why wouldn't I let those influences finally come out without having to worry about sounding too much like....erm, JOURNEY!


exactly. let it rip, brothah.
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Re: Revisiting Jeff's "Lost In The Translation" Al

Postby Granny » Thu May 03, 2007 7:38 am

JSS wrote:
Carlitto H@kk wrote:
JSS wrote:Time will tell where we go with the new album but the new song we have is 100% Journey...the vocal inflections naturally come out of me as if I were singing one of the older songs, in the same way Coming Home from the SS album did. :)


Thanks for the insight :)

You did bring up a point, though, that raised one more question...
You mention that for this first, new Journey song that the Journey-styled inflections
are coming naturally to you now. How hard is it for you to just switch gears back to
your solo style or Talisman styles?
Is it no problem or will you need some serious rehersal time before the Talisman tour
to 're-learn' that style or 'un-learn' the Journey style?
That make sense??? :lol:


It's not hard at all, I have the natural Perry/Cooke-isms in me all the time, I pull them back a bit so it won't seem like I'm trying to rip off or copy either singer but they are part of my natural way of thinking/writing/singing so as I am just 'me' on both or rather, all vocal situations, with Journey I know I can let them soar without hesitation. Of course I expect the backlash even there, critics or naysayers exclaiming I don't have my own style & I am trying my best to borrow what was already there (you wait, there'll be plenty a comparison/gripe), but it IS Journey, why wouldn't I let those influences finally come out without having to worry about sounding too much like....erm, JOURNEY!


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Re: Revisiting Jeff's "Lost In The Translation" Al

Postby Carlitto H@kk » Thu May 03, 2007 9:47 am

JSS wrote:As posted earlier, Howie Simon did all solos & most rhythm guitars (bass on the songs he co-wrote), Neal did the one, Gary played guitar on his 2 musical contributions, I played bass, keys, some guitar on the rest.


Since I got this album from iTunes, can someone post the liner-note info for me?
I'm curious as to who played/wrote each track.

JSS wrote:And yes, I was VERY aware High Time could have AWYWI hummed along to the chorus, joked about it actually. I remember having to come up with something so different from that song to take the listener away from thinking that but couldn't pull the wool over your eyes!


I knew it! :lol:
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Postby Red13JoePa » Thu May 03, 2007 11:45 am

III Sides is amazing, Jeff. Huge Warhead, Color Me Blind, TragiComic and Our Father fan. Agree on Punchline, have yet to figure that one out other than Shadowboxing. Even though you two sound different, I hear some simililarities between Cherone and yourself. Can't really put my finger on it but I hear it. What say you? That's complimentary, too BTW, b/c Cherone is an UNBELIEVABLY talented vocalist.
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Postby (Crazy)Dulce Lady » Thu May 03, 2007 11:59 pm

I listened deep, Carl, and for me, LITT is all about, #1 Jeff's vocals/lyrics and #2, the harder edge guitar sound. This is what Neal was doing with Soul SirkUS that TONS of us wished would continue.

so I guess what I am saying is....

LITT is also all about the Howie. this cd is the PERFECT blend of lush vocal and edgy guitar. Gary on acoustic in SACRED EYES. perfect.

I love this cd.
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Postby giosi » Fri May 04, 2007 10:38 am

GirlLikeYou wrote:I listened deep, Carl, and for me, LITT is all about, #1 Jeff's vocals/lyrics and #2, the harder edge guitar sound. This is what Neal was doing with Soul SirkUS that TONS of us wished would continue.

so I guess what I am saying is....

LITT is also all about the Howie. this cd is the PERFECT blend of lush vocal and edgy guitar. Gary on acoustic in SACRED EYES. perfect.

I love this cd.


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Postby phaffas » Fri May 04, 2007 12:57 pm

i met Jeff on the tour for this album, and it really was my introduction to him. Believe in me is a killer track! But apart from that there are some really great heavy hard hitting songs here, mixed in with some nice little ballads. Great album overall. I need to play it more.
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