Journey's Self-Titled Debut...

[ProgRocker53]

...owns everything else the band has ever done.

Anyone else agree?

[Liam]

...owns everything else the band has ever done.

Anyone else agree?

I wouldn't go THAT far...but as far as debuts go, ESPECIALLY with the drastic change when Perry joined, it's pretty damn good.

[(Crazy)Dulce Lady]

...owns everything else the band has ever done.

Anyone else agree?

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[ProgRocker53]

Seeing that pic of Ross reminds me....

I think Ross's best bass work other than Escape was in the early years of Journey. It was at its proper place in the mix and sounded very fresh and vibrant.... delicious stuff.

[*Laura]

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I think Ross's best bass work other than Escape was in the early years of Journey. It was at its proper place in the mix and sounded very fresh and vibrant.... delicious stuff.

Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape?Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

[Carlitto H@kk]

[Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape? Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

No, he just didn't play up to the standards of Mr Perry...
After all that experience with those seasoned session players during the Street Talk sessions,
Perry probably didn't think Ross was cuttin' it any more

[*Laura]

[Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape? Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

No, he just didn't play up to the standards of Mr Perry...

Come on,Carlitto... I don't believe Mr.Perry complained about Ross's skills at the beginning of the 80s.
It was Herbie,he was a perfectionist too.

[heardonthestreet]

[Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape? Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

No, he just didn't play up to the standards of Mr Perry...
After all that experience with those seasoned session players during the Street Talk sessions,
Perry probably didn't think Ross was cuttin' it any more

Like you don't know the real reason, Carl.

[Liam]

[Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape? Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

No, he just didn't play up to the standards of Mr Perry...
After all that experience with those seasoned session players during the Street Talk sessions,
Perry probably didn't think Ross was cuttin' it any more

Like you don't know the real reason, Carl.

Mystical white powder???

[Moon Beam]

Are we talking the Journey album here?
The very first?

Though I have heart tugs here I would hardly call
it as owning everything else done by the band.

Topaz be way cool as is Kohoutek but it was a whole
different feel and sound.
You really think this album compares to the likes of their
later efforts NealSchonFan53?

[Carlitto H@kk]

[Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape? Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

No, he just didn't play up to the standards of Mr Perry...
After all that experience with those seasoned session players during the Street Talk sessions,
Perry probably didn't think Ross was cuttin' it any more

Like you don't know the real reason, Carl.

Mystical white powder???

Oh, God Forbid a band born and bred in the 60s and 70s
induldged in the "Rock & Roll" lifestyle

Actually, I have no idea why Ross OR Smitty were let go other
than what I've read and it all points to Mr Perry taking too much
control during the second recording of the ROR album.

[junky]

...

I think Ross's best bass work other than Escape was in the early years of Journey. It was at its proper place in the mix and sounded very fresh and vibrant.... delicious stuff.

Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape?Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

That statement by Herbie never made sense to me.

The bass on the first 3 Journey albums, just hums along, IMO. Even on the live boots.

Yes, the first album is tops, but comparing it with the Perry years is apples and oranges to me.

Also, the song Look Into The Future is one of my all time favs from Journey. Maybe because it was the first song I ever heard by them back in 1976.

Anyone else here a fan prior to Perry? Am I the only one?

[7 Wishes]

Ross' work on Escape and Frontiers was mind-blowing. I mean, his bass line on DSB is one of the classics. Maybe Steve fancied himself a better bassist than Ross.

[Aja]

[Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape? Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

No, he just didn't play up to the standards of Mr Perry...
After all that experience with those seasoned session players during the Street Talk sessions,
Perry probably didn't think Ross was cuttin' it any more

Like you don't know the real reason, Carl.

Like the house of cards that went BOOM!!!

[Aja]

[Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape? Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

No, he just didn't play up to the standards of Mr Perry...
After all that experience with those seasoned session players during the Street Talk sessions,
Perry probably didn't think Ross was cuttin' it any more

Like you don't know the real reason, Carl.

Mystical white powder???

Oh, God Forbid a band born and bred in the 60s and 70s
induldged in the "Rock & Roll" lifestyle

Actually, I have no idea why Ross OR Smitty were let go other
than what I've read and it all points to Mr Perry taking too much
control during the second recording of the ROR album.

If you watch the ROR documentary interviews they were ALL on the same page as to the direction they had taken at the time. Schon was very effusive about the tour.

[Rick]

Yep, I like all of the first album. Of A Life Time and Kohoutek stand out. Not crazy about In My Lonely Feeling Conversation.

[*Laura]

Actually, I have no idea why Ross OR Smitty were let go other
than what I've read and it all points to Mr Perry taking too much
control during the second recording of the ROR album.

If you watch the ROR documentary interviews they were ALL on the same page as to the direction they had taken at the time. Schon was very effusive about the tour.

I'm not so sure that the ROR documentary is a good proof that Schon was happy at the time.My guess is that none of them were,for different reasons.
That was a little movie put together for promotional reasons,so they all acted like everything was fine.

We all know that after many years they admitted that they were not on the same page,nor too happy.

[Liam]

My Top 5 pre Perry songs are:
1.Nickel & Dime
2.Of A Lifetime
3.Look Into The Future
4.Topaz
5. Cookie Duster

There's WAY too much guitar in all of those songs for me to deny 'em.

[roknroseville]

Is the song To play some music on the 1st cd?
If so i think that's cool.. But i like look into the future the best out of the pre perry releases..

[Liam]

Is the song To play some music on the 1st cd?
If so i think that's cool.. But i like look into the future the best out of the pre perry releases..

To Play Some Music is on the debut album, yes.

[ProgRocker53]

Question:

What if Journey didn't receive pressure from the label to make tighter songs and to find a new singer? What if the executives just stepped back and let Neal/Gregg/Ross/Aynsley do their thing like they did for the first two albums?

Where would their career have gone, and what kind of music do you think we would've gotten?

Some interesting thoughts should arise here.

[7 Wishes]

They'd be playing small venues, worldwide sales would have been about 5 million, they'd be in the ROR HOF, and they would have been as popular with the critics as Talking Dickheads and Nirvana.

[NealIsGod]

They'd be playing small venues, worldwide sales would have been about 5 million, they'd be in the ROR HOF, and they would have been as popular with the critics as Talking Dickheads and Nirvana.

But they'd be in the HOF!! That's SOOO important!

[Red13JoePa]

They'd be playing small venues, worldwide sales would have been about 5 million, they'd be in the ROR HOF, and they would have been as popular with the critics as Talking Dickheads and Nirvana.

But they'd be in the HOF!! That's SOOO important!

Yay! Then they could be part of that blue ribbon gala induction Van Halen was subjected to I mean given this year.
Demands that a vocalist not perform, an abortion of a tribute, and no TV coverage.
Bands are killing themselves for that honor. VH was so overwhelmed that 1 original member showed up.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

...

I think Ross's best bass work other than Escape was in the early years of Journey. It was at its proper place in the mix and sounded very fresh and vibrant.... delicious stuff.

Then I wonder why was Herbie Herbert so hard on him and threatened to fire him if he doesn't improve his bass playing?
Something happened to Ross between the early years and Escape?Like he got lazy or something?
Just wondering...

That statement by Herbie never made sense to me.

The bass on the first 3 Journey albums, just hums along, IMO. Even on the live boots.

Yes, the first album is tops, but comparing it with the Perry years is apples and oranges to me.

Also, the song Look Into The Future is one of my all time favs from Journey. Maybe because it was the first song I ever heard by them back in 1976.

Anyone else here a fan prior to Perry? Am I the only one?

I posted a long and painfully boring review of the debut album here last year I think. I can't find it - it must've been deleted in lieu of more value-added posts that display jiggling breasts or "funny" comments about children that look retarded. Rich Meyers asked me to write the review for the George Tickner site. It may or may not be there - I haven't visited in a while.

LITF is a real favorite of mine, too. I put that in the JOURNEY "paragon" list of their best ever.

Ross' bass is absolutely awesome on the first 3. That music definitely fits his style better.

I don't think you can compare those albums with anything else they've done - it is apples/oranges for sure.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Is the song To play some music on the 1st cd?
If so i think that's cool.. But i like look into the future the best out of the pre perry releases..

To Play Some Music is on the debut album, yes.

I quoted that song in my "gay" letter to the RnR HOF. In fact, I slipped in several nods to a few of their songs in the letter.

I think their first album really set the JOURNEY course for the kind of musical and lyrical themes that they would explore. I'm glad that they've stayed the course regardless of who has been in the band.

[Classic Rock]

I posted a long and painfully boring review of the debut album here last year I think. I can't find it - it must've been deleted in lieu of more value-added posts that display jiggling breasts or "funny" comments about children that look retarded. Rich Meyers asked me to write the review for the George Tickner site. It may or may not be there - I haven't visited in a while.

LITF is a real favorite of mine, too. I put that in the JOURNEY "paragon" list of their best ever.

Ross' bass is absolutely awesome on the first 3. That music definitely fits his style better.

I don't think you can compare those albums with anything else they've done - it is apples/oranges for sure.

I enjoyed the review. Here is the link: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... ight=topaz

I agree about the apples/oranges comment. I don’t mix the two eras at all. It is just something totally different and unique.

[Aja]

Actually, I have no idea why Ross OR Smitty were let go other
than what I've read and it all points to Mr Perry taking too much
control during the second recording of the ROR album.

If you watch the ROR documentary interviews they were ALL on the same page as to the direction they had taken at the time. Schon was very effusive about the tour.

I'm not so sure that the ROR documentary is a good proof that Schon was happy at the time.My guess is that none of them were,for different reasons.
That was a little movie put together for promotional reasons,so they all acted like everything was fine.

We all know that after many years they admitted that they were not on the same page,nor too happy.

My point was they ALL expressed issues with the other members of the band who were replaced for the tour. Obviously the documentary was made for promotional purposes. Another unfair assumption was made that it was Perry's idea alone to let Ross and Steve go.
All of us who have followed the history of this saga understand there was plenty of dissension and turmoil coming from all sides, not just Perry's. Perry admitted it was a mistake. I'm not sure Cain or Schon have ever owned up to their part in it. No one was a victimized as it has been portrayed. NO, it not a complicated word to say.

[Red13JoePa]

Another unfair assumption was made that it was Perry's idea alone to let Ross and Steve go.

He took sole credit for that on the BTM interviews.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I posted a long and painfully boring review of the debut album here last year I think. I can't find it - it must've been deleted in lieu of more value-added posts that display jiggling breasts or "funny" comments about children that look retarded. Rich Meyers asked me to write the review for the George Tickner site. It may or may not be there - I haven't visited in a while.

LITF is a real favorite of mine, too. I put that in the JOURNEY "paragon" list of their best ever.

Ross' bass is absolutely awesome on the first 3. That music definitely fits his style better.

I don't think you can compare those albums with anything else they've done - it is apples/oranges for sure.

I enjoyed the review. Here is the link: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... ight=topaz

I agree about the apples/oranges comment. I don’t mix the two eras at all. It is just something totally different and unique.

Whoa! It's alive! Thanks for finding it - I'm glad you enjoyed it.