Tired of Waiting...

[treetopovskaya]

1) "If anybody bled for a band and went out and proved who was No. 1, Stephen did."

LOL, ok a little loon(acy) creeping out here, but I've always gotten a kick out of Jon calling Steve by his formal name Stephen. Hmmm, wonder if he calls Jeff, Jeffrey?

.....sorry, carry on.

i have a friend named jeff & if you call him jeffrey or jeffy he gets pissy... we like to call him pj (princess jeff)... or sunshine. };C)

i think i've heard neal call steve stephen too.

[L~L~L]

I read that article that Matt posted several years ago. In fact I think I have a hard copy of it somewhere. It's genuine.

Thank you I know it's hard for some people to believe that at one point these three men were great friends and have said good things of one another.

Yes - I wish some posters here would show Stephen the same respect.

That'd be my wish also show some

[PROPERRY]

I read that article that Matt posted several years ago. In fact I think I have a hard copy of it somewhere. It's genuine.

Thank you I know it's hard for some people to believe that at one point these three men were great friends and have said good things of one another.

Yes - I wish some posters here would show Stephen the same respect.

That'd be my wish also show some

That's for certain L~L~L. It was not all bad, they had some good times together. And I too, wish more posters would show respect for Perry here.

[bluejeangirl76]

BTW Red, Friga has said that. I've heard him call Steve Stephen in a few interviews.

Neal used to call him that all the time too.
It's when the loons start doing it that I get creeped out.

[Matthew]

BTW Red, Friga has said that. I've heard him call Steve Stephen in a few interviews.

Neal used to call him that all the time too.
It's when the loons start doing it that I get creeped out.

BJG - I don't think I've ever seen any Loon other than Jonathan Cain call Perry "Stephen" in all seriousness.....but maybe I haven't been paying enough attention?

[ohsherrie]

BTW Red, Friga has said that. I've heard him call Steve Stephen in a few interviews.

Neal used to call him that all the time too.
It's when the loons start doing it that I get creeped out.

BJG - I don't think I've ever seen any Loon other than Jonathan Cain call Perry "Stephen" in all seriousness.....but maybe I haven't been paying enough attention?

I'm with Matt here. I didn't understand your post either BJG. I've heard, or seen, him called Stevie, but no more than an isolated Stephen and usually followed by Ray Perry. Maybe it was on boards that I haven't been to though.

[cyndy!]

i've heard neal call him stephen many times

[Lula]

That's for certain L~L~L. It was not all bad, they had some good times together. And I too, wish more posters would show respect for Perry here.

I think as fans of Journey, respect should be given to each band member. Not one member of a band is above another. Sure we all have our favorites, but in a band the collaboration process between members is what delivers the music we enjoy.

[L~L~L]

That's for certain L~L~L. It was not all bad, they had some good times together. And I too, wish more posters would show respect for Perry here.

I think as fans of Journey, respect should be given to each band member. Not one member of a band is above another. Sure we all have our favorites, but in a band the collaboration process between members is what delivers the music we enjoy.

Very well said but no one here is being more disrespected that SP himself. He gets all the blame If I may add to this also I don't see a picture of any other member with photoshop tits and snatch, do you ?Like the one floating around of Perry?

[PROPERRY]

That's for certain L~L~L. It was not all bad, they had some good times together. And I too, wish more posters would show respect for Perry here.

I think as fans of Journey, respect should be given to each band member. Not one member of a band is above another. Sure we all have our favorites, but in a band the collaboration process between members is what delivers the music we enjoy.

NO ONE here is "disrespecting" ANY of the other band members , but there are MANY disrespecting Steve Perry on this board.

[Matthew]

That's for certain L~L~L. It was not all bad, they had some good times together. And I too, wish more posters would show respect for Perry here.

I think as fans of Journey, respect should be given to each band member. Not one member of a band is above another. Sure we all have our favorites, but in a band the collaboration process between members is what delivers the music we enjoy.

True up to a point, Lula - but I do think there's also heirachy in terms of talent, significance, contribution, importance, etc. Looking at all the past and present Journey members......you can't really say that Dunbar was equally as important as Perry...or that Jackson was on an equal footing with Valory in terms of Journey's career overall...and so on. Sure they all deserve respect but there's definitely an elite.

[Red13JoePa]

Yep.

The Alien Project's skids were greased on the fast track to stardom with perry when Journey who HAD a record contract intervened and plucked him.

[AR]

That's for certain L~L~L. It was not all bad, they had some good times together. And I too, wish more posters would show respect for Perry here.

I think as fans of Journey, respect should be given to each band member. Not one member of a band is above another. Sure we all have our favorites, but in a band the collaboration process between members is what delivers the music we enjoy.

Very well said but no one here is being more disrespected that SP himself. He gets all the blame If I may add to this also I don't see a picture of any other member with photoshop tits and snatch, do you ?Like the one floating around of Perry?

That was my work and I'm damn proud of it.

[Matthew]

Yep.

Journey who HAD a record contract .

....but were on the verge of losing it....

[Lula]

Geez people! I'm simply saying with regards to Journey's music, band members deserve respect from the fans. Not talking about characters or personal opinions, just the music made. I don't speak for anyone but myself and I'm not about to get in a tit-for-tat over this.... ridiculous.

[Red13JoePa]

Yep.

Journey who HAD a record contract .

....but were on the verge of losing it....

And where was the other band's recording contract, WITH the guy solely responsible for putting Journey on the map out front? Nowhere, they were putting their demo on the shelf, where it would sit alone, until Against The Wall joined it.

[Matthew]

Geez people! I'm simply saying with regards to Journey's music, band members deserve respect from the fans. Not talking about characters or personal opinions, just the music made. I don't speak for anyone but myself and I'm not about to get in a tit-for-tat over this.... ridiculous.

It's just a conversation, Lula. Isn't that the point of this messageboard?

[Matthew]

Yep.

Journey who HAD a record contract .

....but were on the verge of losing it....

And where was the other band's recording contract, WITH the guy solely responsible for putting Journey on the map out front? Putting their demo on the shelf, where it would sit alone, until Against The Wall joined it.

It can't be denied that Perry was the catalyst or the driving force or the crucial element in the chemistry which had been lacking. But I'd say the main reason for Journey's success was the Perry/Schon partnership.

Anyway Red...what's with the big crusade at the moment?

[Red13JoePa]

Yep.

Journey who HAD a record contract .

....but were on the verge of losing it....

And where was the other band's recording contract, WITH the guy solely responsible for putting Journey on the map out front? Putting their demo on the shelf, where it would sit alone, until Against The Wall joined it.

It can't be denied that Perry was the catalyst or the driving force or the crucial element in the chemistry which had been lacking.

Yes, it can.
I deny it.
He flopped as frontman before.

[Lula]

Geez people! I'm simply saying with regards to Journey's music, band members deserve respect from the fans. Not talking about characters or personal opinions, just the music made. I don't speak for anyone but myself and I'm not about to get in a tit-for-tat over this.... ridiculous.

It's just a conversation, Lula. Isn't that the point of this messageboard?

LOL, sure just a message board... just a conversation.... and just a band.

[Soto All The Way]

That's for certain L~L~L. It was not all bad, they had some good times together. And I too, wish more posters would show respect for Perry here.

I think as fans of Journey, respect should be given to each band member. Not one member of a band is above another. Sure we all have our favorites, but in a band the collaboration process between members is what delivers the music we enjoy.

Very well said but no one here is being more disrespected that SP himself. He gets all the blame If I may add to this also I don't see a picture of any other member with photoshop tits and snatch, do you ?Like the one floating around of Perry?

U REALLY need to get a left. This is a message board sista'......Get real!!!

e-

[Matthew]

Yep.

Journey who HAD a record contract .

....but were on the verge of losing it....

And where was the other band's recording contract, WITH the guy solely responsible for putting Journey on the map out front? Putting their demo on the shelf, where it would sit alone, until Against The Wall joined it.

It can't be denied that Perry was the catalyst or the driving force or the crucial element in the chemistry which had been lacking.

Yes, it can.
I deny it.
He flopped as frontman before.

And Journey were flopping as a band. We can go round and round in circles about this - but surely the truth is that both Perry and Journey badly needed each other in the late 70s? .

We'll never know whether or not Perry would have made it on his own. I actually doubt it myself. And I also doubt Journey would have made it either without him. It seems to me that Perry and Herbie/Neal saved each other from failure and obscurity.

Red - I know you have some long-standing resentments toward Loons which all come from what now seems to be an ancient era before we all started to get along after Augeri was fired...but they seems to be affecting your judgement of the man himself.

Maybe it's time to put ROR on again and reacquaint yourself with the pure genius of The Voice?

[Red13JoePa]

Red - I know you have some long-standing resentments toward Loons which all come from what now seems to be an ancient era before we all started to get along after Augeri was fired...but they seems to be affecting your judgement of the man himself.

I'm not talking about perry, the man himself here (which by all accounts other than 1 he seems to be a down-to-earth, very approachable if private guy) I'm talking about his musicianship.

As far as loon resentment, well, you may be onto a LITTLE something there. I guess.

[Carlitto H@kk]

It can't be denied that Perry was the catalyst or the driving force or the crucial element in the chemistry which had been lacking. But I'd say the main reason for Journey's success was the Perry/Schon partnership.

Anyway Red...what's with the big crusade at the moment?

I disagree, Matty. Perry was a crucial ingredient, no doubt. And the Perry/Schon combo was a hit, no doubt.
But the final ingredient and true catalyst that sent this band to superstardom
was the addition of none other than the man you are currently displaying in your Avatar.
Friga joining the band and the Perry, Schon and Cain trifecta is what truely brought the
band the success they still live off of today.

With that said, I think Perry gets most of the bashing for everything
or none of the things (depending on how you look at it) he has done
in the past 20 years. Big tease and empty promises year after year after year...

[Red13JoePa]

Cain made the change, Hack but come on, Perry/Schon was a MONSTER before. THAT was the start for both guys.
But Neal had a lot more success without p than vice versa

[Deb]

Cain made the change, Hack but come on, Perry/Schon was a MONSTER before. THAT was the start for both guys.

Agree with Red here, I think Cain helped bring in the commercial writing success, but the Journey magic was definately Perry/Schon.

[NealIsGod]

I disagree, Matty. Perry was a crucial ingredient, no doubt. And the Perry/Schon combo was a hit, no doubt.
But the final ingredient and true catalyst that sent this band to superstardom
was the addition of none other than the man you are currently displaying in your Avatar.

As much as I love E5C4P3 and Frontiers, I wish Rolie would have stayed in the band. I think we would have had more music out of them, assuming Rolie and Perry could have gotten along.

EDIT: And I don't think the band would have gotten the rep as a sissy band if Rolie had stayed. The ballads with Rolie are better than the ones with Friga, albeit not as commercially successful.

[*Laura]

I think Cain helped bring in the commercial writing success, but the Journey magic was definately Perry/Schon.

That's JOURNEY in one sentence.

[Red13JoePa]

Well based on precedent up to that point the "magic was" Schon/Perry.

Just saying.

[junky]

And I also doubt Journey would have made it either without him. It seems to me that Perry and Herbie/Neal saved each other from failure and obscurity.

I disagree. Journey were actively seeking a vocalist. If Perry declined, they would have found some one else.
They had already started changing their sound with Fleischman. They probably wouldn't have had the same success as with Perry and later Jonathan, as Carl stated, but they wouldn't have failed. Herbie would have found a way.

I say this as a fan at the time. I think it's hard for those who weren't around at the time to understand the situation.
Hindsight is 20/20.

Anyway, I'm glad Perry said yes, which is what really matters. Schon + Perry = magic.