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Postby CatEyes » Wed May 16, 2007 10:41 pm

From one of my favorite peeps, Bob Lefsetz http://www.lefsetz.com

He brings up some good points that could really effect the future of Journey.



Who's going to win the music business war?

It certainly won't be Sony, or BMG. Sony wants out of the music business. As
does BMG. Unfortunately, no one can meet their price, so they're holding for
now. But they want to get out. Oh, there's an expansion into music publishing,
but no non-traditional ventures are being contemplated. It appears they're
going to run the ship until Clive Davis dies or becomes too frail to work, then
they're going to freak out. As for Rick Rubin's recent deal with Columbia? If
only you could sell CDs, if only online weren't about singles. If only revenue
were growing instead of collapsing.

Then there's Universal Music. With the biggest market share, operating in a
vacuum. Doug Morris and Jimmy Iovine wanted to be innovators at the turn of the
century, with the Farm Club and PressPlay, but after being burned they've
changed strategy. Now it's all about the check. They're sitting upon a huge
copyright asset, if you want to distribute music in the new world, you've got to
go through them, and you've got to pay for the privilege. Planning for the
future, insuring their place in the coming landscape? Not really an issue.
Especially since the OWNER of the operation wants out, but like Sony and BMG
can't find anybody to sell to, not at a reasonable price.

Then comes EMI. EMI has Ames, but not much else. Roger Ames knows where every
dollar in a record deal is buried. He's what Warner needs. But EMI does not
have the assets of Warner. EMI is in survival mode.

And then there's Warner. Unlike his compatriots owning major labels, Richard
Parsons decided to get out, he didn't want to weather the storm, he wanted his
money now, before the asset went down in value even further. So, the company
was sold to private equity interests. Although Warner is embracing digital
strategies, there's no overall music business play. Oh, they want to strong-arm
their artists into giving them rights, but there's no desire to truly get into
the touring or management businesses. Hell, their interest in Azoff's company
was just sold to Barry Diller.

Irving Azoff. Is it now his time? Is this his David Geffen moment? Now that
DreamWorks has failed, now that Geffen is a billionaire without portfolio, is
Irving plotting to take over the music business?

Well we read that Jeff Kwatinetz was taking over the music business. But Firm
clients come and go, as do their managers, Jeff's always striking up innovative
record deals that generate no heat. His moment appears gone.

And then there are our friends up north, Terry McBride and his Nettwerk crew.
They're the ones talking innovation, but that's all in service to their artists,
they're managers through and through. As are their east coast counterparts at Q
Prime. Cliff and Peter experienced a debacle in venue ownership, they've now
got Snow Patrol and Jimmy Page, but they're hands-on managers, they're not
interested in the tectonic plates, tilting the world at large.

But Michael Rapino is.

Michael Rapino is younger than most of the household names. He hasn't made his
fortune yet. This is his time to make a move. He's sold what doesn't interest
him, and bought what does. He's got not only Trunk, but MusicToday. And
suddenly, he's in ticketing.

But isn't that the domain of TicketMaster?

The coming music story is how new players akin to Microsoft will enter the
sphere and eat up market share. Computer-savvy tots with their ears to the
ground, who know what the public really wants. No deals will be made with
majors, if there are record companies at all, you presently don't know their
names. But these acts WILL have to play live. And who will control that arena?

Yes, right now we've got a giant struggle over the live business. Who will be
the gatekeeper, who will cash the check. The record companies are also-rans.
And the online distributors? With licensing so complicated, on such onerous
terms, smart money is staying out, there's no movement in that world, it's been
ceded to iTunes.

But in the physical world, we've got a jockeying for position heretofore unseen.

And it all comes down to Irving.

Is Irving just in it for the check? Or does he want the power?

Who knows. But if you want to know what happens in the future, watch him.

Irving assembled a management powerhouse to neutralize the labels, to prevent
them from dictating to him. FRONTLINE'S policy would be of equal weight to the
label's policy.

But you've got to look back further. To AEG. Irving Azoff built AEG. By
resuscitating ConcertsWest. Eventually Irving sold his interest to Anschutz,
and Randy Phillips took the day to day reins, but Irving's got a special place
in their board room. He's entitled to favors. And he returns favors. That
Live Nation doesn't get.

But Live Nation needs Irving's acts. Irving's partner Howard Kaufman has kept
the sheds alive for years. Albeit at high prices, but you've got to have
SOMEBODY to bring in the customer.

Can you say Def Leppard/Journey? Can you say Chicago/Earth, Wind & Fire/this
year's oldie? Can you say Fleetwood Mac?

Michael Rapino cannot afford to piss off Irving Azoff. Now more than ever,
Irving's got the biggest stable of acts, and concert promotion is all about the
acts.

But now Irving has made Rapino's life even worse. He's gotten in bed with the
thorn in Rapino's side, TicketMaster.

Oh, there's been a link forever. With the name Larry Solters. Yes, Irving's
positively old school, he knows it's about relationships, and information, and
he's got both.

So now what?

Well, IAC/TicketMaster bought the Thomas H. Lee/Bain stake. But Warner's still
got a piece of Frontline. Is this significant? Well, maybe to the point that
Irving's got a special relationship with Warner. At least until he gets
frustrated and makes their life hell.

But it's Irving who controls the landscape now. Suddenly, Irving's a linchpin
in Warner, Live Nation, IAC/TicketMaster... Suddenly, the brilliant poker
player has more cards than anybody. How's he going to play them? What does he
WANT?

Warner, Live Nation and TicketMaster are fighting for their lives. Good idea to
line up with TicketMaster, kind of like Sirius buying Howard Stern. If Rapino
sells his own tickets, TicketMaster is fucked. But if Irving's in between, does
TicketMaster keep its deal?

And Irving controls the only thing that counts. The talent. It's not like
movies or TV, you can't create a new roster out of thin air.

Maybe Irving just wants a check. He's certainly sold for a price in the past.
Or maybe he wants to control the business. If not in name, then reality.

One thing is clear. The wagons are circling, we're in the final throes of
consolidation. Everyone thought it was about the labels, but really it's about
the gig. Who controls the gig. Right now, Irving Azoff controls the gig.


Enjoy

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Postby Jeremey » Wed May 16, 2007 10:48 pm

Ughh, my brain hurts!
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Postby Saint John » Wed May 16, 2007 10:49 pm

Sounds like Irving has his ducks all lined up......save one......Steve Perry. If Azoff is "about to take over the music business" it's more than likely he'll give the Perry-fronted Journey reunion one more try ($$$$$$$). Irving hates failure and Perry has said "No" for the better part of 10 years. So Steve, how are them scales coming along? It'll be inteesting to see how this all plays out. VERY interesting. 8)
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Postby Greg » Wed May 16, 2007 11:14 pm

That was very informative and confusing all at the same time. So, we will watch what Azoff does? When he said Azoff is old school, is that meant to say he wants the music business to be old school, or does he want to support old school acts (like what he did with Journey, Eagles, etc..)
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Postby Perry86fan » Wed May 16, 2007 11:16 pm

Jeremey wrote:Ughh, my brain hurts!


Boy i know the feeling :D

Thanks Cat for a good read. :D
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Postby stevew2 » Wed May 16, 2007 11:21 pm

Good read, bottom line Irving, is a piece of shit
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Postby Perry86fan » Wed May 16, 2007 11:30 pm

stevew2 wrote:Good read, bottom line Irving, is a piece of shit


That may well be! I just don't think he is as great as he seems to think he is.
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Postby Aja » Wed May 16, 2007 11:46 pm

saint John wrote:Sounds like Irving has his ducks all lined up......save one......Steve Perry. If Azoff is "about to take over the music business" it's more than likely he'll give the Perry-fronted Journey reunion one more try ($$$$$$$). Irving hates failure and Perry has said "No" for the better part of 10 years. So Steve, how are them scales coming along? It'll be inteesting to see how this all plays out. VERY interesting. 8)


Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 16, 2007 11:52 pm

Aja wrote:Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D


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Postby Aja » Thu May 17, 2007 12:32 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Aja wrote:Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D


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I'm not off topic. Take an aspirin, and skip over what you don't agree with. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. You have NO idea what may be in the works. NO idea. :wink:
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Postby AR » Thu May 17, 2007 12:47 am

Aja wrote:
saint John wrote:Sounds like Irving has his ducks all lined up......save one......Steve Perry. If Azoff is "about to take over the music business" it's more than likely he'll give the Perry-fronted Journey reunion one more try ($$$$$$$). Irving hates failure and Perry has said "No" for the better part of 10 years. So Steve, how are them scales coming along? It'll be inteesting to see how this all plays out. VERY interesting. 8)


Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D


Terrific! Here is the artwork for the reunion album.

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Postby Rockindeano » Thu May 17, 2007 12:56 am

Aja wrote:
I'm not off topic. Take an aspirin, and skip over what you don't agree with. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. You have NO idea what may be in the works. NO idea. :wink:


Heed your own advice. Why didn't you skip over my honest Mothers Day post?

Oh and by the way, I know exactly what's in the works and more importaqntly, what's not in the works.
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Postby PROPERRY » Thu May 17, 2007 1:09 am

Aja wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Aja wrote:Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D


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I'm not off topic. Take an aspirin, and skip over what you don't agree with. Nothing is out of the realm of possibility. You have NO idea what may be in the works. NO idea. :wink:


Hey Aja, I don't know if that will happen or not , but I sure would LIKE it to happen!!! :D
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Postby Moon Beam » Thu May 17, 2007 1:10 am

Aja wrote:
You have NO idea what may be in the works. NO idea. :wink:




And I suppose you do oh mighty book of knowledge?
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Postby stevew2 » Thu May 17, 2007 1:49 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Aja wrote:Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D


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Postby Lula » Thu May 17, 2007 2:55 am

Moon Beam wrote:
Aja wrote:
You have NO idea what may be in the works. NO idea. :wink:




And I suppose you do oh mighty book of knowledge?


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Postby jrnyjetster » Thu May 17, 2007 3:05 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Oh and by the way, I know exactly what's in the works and more importantly, what's not in the works.


Please enlighten us Dean... :wink: :P :)
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Postby dcvader » Thu May 17, 2007 3:11 am

AR wrote:
Aja wrote:
saint John wrote:Sounds like Irving has his ducks all lined up......save one......Steve Perry. If Azoff is "about to take over the music business" it's more than likely he'll give the Perry-fronted Journey reunion one more try ($$$$$$$). Irving hates failure and Perry has said "No" for the better part of 10 years. So Steve, how are them scales coming along? It'll be inteesting to see how this all plays out. VERY interesting. 8)


Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D


Terrific! Here is the artwork for the reunion album.

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Postby CatEyes » Thu May 17, 2007 10:18 am

Greggie wrote:That was very informative and confusing all at the same time. So, we will watch what Azoff does? When he said Azoff is old school, is that meant to say he wants the music business to be old school, or does he want to support old school acts (like what he did with Journey, Eagles, etc..)


Good question...... I think in this instance the reference to Azoff being "old school" is that he STARTS with talented musicians/singers/songwriters ..... he doesn't just find someone attractive, record them, and hope they learn how to sing/write, do something, by the time they tour
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu May 17, 2007 10:20 am

jrnyjetster wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Oh and by the way, I know exactly what's in the works and more importantly, what's not in the works.


Please enlighten us Dean... :wink: :P :)


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Postby ohsosoto » Thu May 17, 2007 1:21 pm

Aja wrote:
saint John wrote:Sounds like Irving has his ducks all lined up......save one......Steve Perry. If Azoff is "about to take over the music business" it's more than likely he'll give the Perry-fronted Journey reunion one more try ($$$$$$$). Irving hates failure and Perry has said "No" for the better part of 10 years. So Steve, how are them scales coming along? It'll be inteesting to see how this all plays out. VERY interesting. 8)


Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D
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Postby Rick » Thu May 17, 2007 3:14 pm

Aja wrote:
saint John wrote:Sounds like Irving has his ducks all lined up......save one......Steve Perry. If Azoff is "about to take over the music business" it's more than likely he'll give the Perry-fronted Journey reunion one more try ($$$$$$$). Irving hates failure and Perry has said "No" for the better part of 10 years. So Steve, how are them scales coming along? It'll be inteesting to see how this all plays out. VERY interesting. 8)


Azoffs persistence in the Eagles Reunion tours has paid off in spades. A Journey Reunion with the fab 5 would be huge. If anyone can pull it off , it would be Irving. :D


Aja, I agree, it would be huge. But even IA can't make this one happen. You know as well as I do that if there is one fucker in this world that is more hard headed than Azoff, it's Perry. Fantasize about it all you want, it'll never happen. If it does, I'll kiss your ass in public.
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Postby Rockindeano » Thu May 17, 2007 3:21 pm

Shoot 'em up wrote: But even IA can't make this one happen.


Oh, he could. He definitely could. Some changes would have to be made though.
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Postby Saint John » Thu May 17, 2007 9:58 pm

RockinDeano wrote:
Shoot 'em up wrote: But even IA can't make this one happen.


Oh, he could. He definitely could. Some changes would have to be made though.


Yes, they sure would. :wink: Some SURPRISING changes.
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu May 17, 2007 10:00 pm

saint John wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Shoot 'em up wrote: But even IA can't make this one happen.


Oh, he could. He definitely could. Some changes would have to be made though.


Yes, they sure would. :wink: Some SURPRISING changes.


Like Perry getting his voice back? Or would they use tapes?
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Postby Saint John » Thu May 17, 2007 10:25 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
saint John wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Shoot 'em up wrote: But even IA can't make this one happen.


Oh, he could. He definitely could. Some changes would have to be made though.


Yes, they sure would. :wink: Some SURPRISING changes.


Like Perry getting his voice back? Or would they use tapes?



There's nothing wrong with Perry's voice.....FTLOSM showed that. If anything, it's probably a bit out of shape and surely not tour ready....I doubt he'll ever tour again, unless it's a very short one. No, they wouldn't use tapes.
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Postby NealIsGod » Thu May 17, 2007 11:26 pm

saint John wrote:There's nothing wrong with Perry's voice.....FTLOSM showed that.


:lol: It did? And that was 13 years ago!

A little early to be drinking, dude. :lol:
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Postby jrnyjetster » Fri May 18, 2007 12:45 am

RockinDeano wrote:
Oh, he could. He definitely could. Some changes would have to be made though.


For instance....?? :wink:
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Postby Saint John » Fri May 18, 2007 3:48 am

NealIsGod wrote:
saint John wrote:There's nothing wrong with Perry's voice.....FTLOSM showed that.


:lol: It did? And that was 13 years ago!

A little early to be drinking, dude. :lol:



FTLOSM is terrible because of the lack of chemistry between Steve and the band. Vocally, Perry was as good as ever, but it doesn't show because it's hard to filter his voice through the background noise. EVERY musician he had was very good, they just failed as a collective unit, Steve included. Quite simply, he needs Neal Schon. Street Talk was the one exception.
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Postby Carlitto H@kk » Fri May 18, 2007 3:55 am

jrnyjetster wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:
Oh, he could. He definitely could. Some changes would have to be made though.


For instance....?? :wink:


Yea, but is this 'change' only a change that would
happen to get Perry back or could we see it
happen anyway?
That's the big question right now. :wink:
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