Winds of Freedom

[Red13JoePa]

It's interesting to read others reactions to it though, I've seen where people are afraid Journey won't sound like Journey with Jeff onboard, but here's a song that sounds like Journey & some still don't like it...I'm confused lol j/k

Terrific point.

[Melissa]

Here's my guess: The suits from the "Polo" event say "hey let's get a special song for the event". Jon then looks at a VA history page and and fires this song out in 15 mins.

Making me laugh out loud at work, lambchop! lol

[Moon Beam]

Better fix that av size Taliswoman, Wombat don't like em that big.

[lights1961]

I think its time for the saying GET A LIFE...

I mean disecting a song that was played for an event of SUCH importance to OUR own existance 400 YEARS folks... get it... settlers came in and paved the way for you to be here in this great land called AMERICA....and all some people can do is BITCH if Winds of Freedom is good enough for a CD or not or if it means a new direction for the band and all the other crap that goes on when the band does something exciting...... Thats pitfull,
I THINK its time some of you decide whats truely going on in your little world...

Rick

What the fuck else are we doing here? I'm here to talk about Journey. Aren't you?

nerve hit...... Journey is being discussed relevent to whats current... but you have to admit, some of the nit picking about packing up, going home, jelous of who heard it live etc...thats lame...

Rick

[heardonthestreet]

It's interesting to read others reactions to it though, I've seen where people are afraid Journey won't sound like Journey with Jeff onboard, but here's a song that sounds like Journey & some still don't like it...I'm confused lol j/k

Terrific point.

I honestly didn't think that it sounded all that much like Journey.

[Rockindeano]

I had also read before on the Polo cup Event website (before tix went onsale) that the band was booked to play this event 2 or 3 years ago (as well as the other bands AND sponsors), So I am guessing ...that the song was probably written before the "New lineup" (just guessing - it probably had to be approved and signed off on by the event in advance). It's a decent song, IMO, but hopefully, Not an accurate current reflection.

Sorry, you guessed wrong. The song was written 3 weeks ago. They weren't booked to play this 3 years ago either.

[StevePerryHair]

I think its time for the saying GET A LIFE...

I mean disecting a song that was played for an event of SUCH importance to OUR own existance 400 YEARS folks... get it... settlers came in and paved the way for you to be here in this great land called AMERICA....and all some people can do is BITCH if Winds of Freedom is good enough for a CD or not or if it means a new direction for the band and all the other crap that goes on when the band does something exciting...... Thats pitfull,
I THINK its time some of you decide whats truely going on in your little world...

Rick

What the fuck else are we doing here? I'm here to talk about Journey. Aren't you?

nerve hit...... Journey is being discussed relevent to whats current... but you have to admit, some of the nit picking about packing up, going home, jelous of who heard it live etc...thats lame...

Rick

Are you referring to my comments or his???

[Matthew]

I think its time for the saying GET A LIFE...

I mean disecting a song that was played for an event of SUCH importance to OUR own existance 400 YEARS folks... get it... settlers came in and paved the way for you to be here in this great land called AMERICA....and all some people can do is BITCH if Winds of Freedom is good enough for a CD or not or if it means a new direction for the band and all the other crap that goes on when the band does something exciting...... Thats pitfull,
I THINK its time some of you decide whats truely going on in your little world...

Rick

What the fuck else are we doing here? I'm here to talk about Journey. Aren't you?

nerve hit...... Journey is being discussed relevent to whats current... but you have to admit, some of the nit picking about packing up, going home, jelous of who heard it live etc...thats lame...




Rick

Rick- sorry for snapping at you...I guess I'm not entirely over cigarettes just yet!

Sure it's all lame and pathetic - but that's what messageboards are all about, arene't they? Talking about pointless shit. And - to me anyway - this is a new topic at last! And it's on topic too....

[junky]

OMG.

Journey were invited to play for an event celebrating 400 years of Virginia. They took the time and energy to write a song specifically for that event, a song so specific that they won't be able to recycle it for later use.

Horrible behavior on their part. I'm appalled!!!

Those bastards!!!

What's so specific about it? I can't make out most of the lyrics....

Also - if they are planning to change their style and approach...wouldn't this have been a good opportunity to test it out?

Mathew,
The song starts out with the line "400 years ago, Virginia set a sail..."

That line alone is pretty specific in time and space.

The song was fitting for the event. They haven't had a chance to get in a studio together to "find their sound".

[Matthew]

OMG.

Journey were invited to play for an event celebrating 400 years of Virginia. They took the time and energy to write a song specifically for that event, a song so specific that they won't be able to recycle it for later use.

Horrible behavior on their part. I'm appalled!!!

Those bastards!!!

What's so specific about it? I can't make out most of the lyrics....

Also - if they are planning to change their style and approach...wouldn't this have been a good opportunity to test it out?

Mathew,
The song starts out with the line "400 years ago, Virginia set a sail..."

That line alone is pretty specific in time and space.

The song was fitting for the event. They haven't had a chance to get in a studio together to "find their sound".

That is indeed most specific.

[heardonthestreet]

JSS and Neal should have written the song. It would probably have been a better reflection of what to expect in the future.

[Matthew]

I had also read before on the Polo cup Event website (before tix went onsale) that the band was booked to play this event 2 or 3 years ago (as well as the other bands AND sponsors), So I am guessing ...that the song was probably written before the "New lineup" (just guessing - it probably had to be approved and signed off on by the event in advance). It's a decent song, IMO, but hopefully, Not an accurate current reflection.

Sorry, you guessed wrong. The song was written 3 weeks ago. They weren't booked to play this 3 years ago either.

And does the band think it "sucks" like you do, Deano?

[Taliswoman]

I had also read before on the Polo cup Event website (before tix went onsale) that the band was booked to play this event 2 or 3 years ago (as well as the other bands AND sponsors), So I am guessing ...that the song was probably written before the "New lineup" (just guessing - it probably had to be approved and signed off on by the event in advance). It's a decent song, IMO, but hopefully, Not an accurate current reflection.

Sorry, you guessed wrong. The song was written 3 weeks ago. They weren't booked to play this 3 years ago either.

They advertised this in at least December 2006 if not prior that Journey would be playing there, Specifically said something like - This was three years in the making and would play the new song written specifically for this event - I am sure you can see how I may "guess" that Deano

[StevePerryHair]

I just don't think the band was sitting around saying "I wonder what we can come up with so they can see what our new sound will be." Cain wrote a song very quickly for this event period. We just need to be patient for the rest.

[Matthew]

I just don't think the band was sitting around saying "I wonder what we can come up with so they can see what our new sound will be." Cain wrote a song very quickly for this event period. We just need to be patient for the rest.

Well, they'd better start wondering about it soon. It's nearly June and the album is meant to be finished later this year and this line up has been together since last July....

I actually agree with you though. The band probably haven't been asking that question and I'm not sure they will be in the future either. I don't want to sound like a doomwatch but I reckon they're going to play it safe.

Not neccessarily a problem though....I haven't got bored of the trusty old formula entirely, anyway.

[Matthew]

JSS and Neal should have written the song. It would probably have been a better reflection of what to expect in the future.

Maybe they were worried that a Soul Sirkus style track would frighten those people in pink trousers?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I'm not saying anything more over the top than what other people said when SA was lipping. What was the push to get SA out - to save the credibility of the band.

I'm saying the same thing here for the same reasons.

Because the new song was performed in front of a bunch of freaks wearing big hats and pink pants. Tapegate was a bit more serious, I think you'll agree.

This is simple. People didn't like SA lipping because it destroyed the credibility of their beloved band. Lipping is schlock is it not?

I'm saying that schlock writing is the same thing.

You and others here want to EXCUSE the writing. Nobody wanted to hear excuses for SA's lipping now did they? No excuse for it, right? No way should we cut slack for it.

Well, I'm saying that AS AN ARTIST your art is you and you are your art. There's just NO EXCUSE for contriving over writing.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

If that's the case then they need to pack it up and go home.

If I'm the band I don't care what the circumstances are. As an artist your signature is written on what you write and perform. Your art is you and you are your art. If JOURNEY has gotten to the point where they're contriving instead of writing then they've lost their artistry and should bow out gracefully.

No reason to pack anything up. And lucky for us- you aren't the band.

My cheers/jeers/comments are no more or less valuable than yours.

[Matthew]

I'm not saying anything more over the top than what other people said when SA was lipping. What was the push to get SA out - to save the credibility of the band.

I'm saying the same thing here for the same reasons.

Because the new song was performed in front of a bunch of freaks wearing big hats and pink pants. Tapegate was a bit more serious, I think you'll agree.

This is simple. People didn't like SA lipping because it destroyed the credibility of their beloved band. Lipping is schlock is it not?

I'm saying that schlock writing is the same thing.

You and others here want to EXCUSE the writing. Nobody wanted to hear excuses for SA's lipping now did they? No excuse for it, right? No way should we cut slack for it.

Well, I'm saying that AS AN ARTIST your art is you and you are your art. There's just NO EXCUSE for contriving over writing.

If only they had a controlling perfectionist in the band who wasn't prepared to tolerate sloppy standards.

[dcvader]

JSS and Neal should have written the song. It would probably have been a better reflection of what to expect in the future.

Maybe they were worried that a Soul Sirkus style track would frighten those people in pink trousers?

Thank god the majority of Journey fans are not douche bags wearing pink trousers.

[NealIsGod]

If that's the case then they need to pack it up and go home.

If I'm the band I don't care what the circumstances are. As an artist your signature is written on what you write and perform. Your art is you and you are your art. If JOURNEY has gotten to the point where they're contriving instead of writing then they've lost their artistry and should bow out gracefully.

No reason to pack anything up. And lucky for us- you aren't the band.

My cheers/jeers/comments are no more or less valuable than yours.

To who?

[Lula]

I'm not saying anything more over the top than what other people said when SA was lipping. What was the push to get SA out - to save the credibility of the band.

I'm saying the same thing here for the same reasons.

Because the new song was performed in front of a bunch of freaks wearing big hats and pink pants. Tapegate was a bit more serious, I think you'll agree.

This is simple. People didn't like SA lipping because it destroyed the credibility of their beloved band. Lipping is schlock is it not?

I'm saying that schlock writing is the same thing.

You and others here want to EXCUSE the writing. Nobody wanted to hear excuses for SA's lipping now did they? No excuse for it, right? No way should we cut slack for it.

Well, I'm saying that AS AN ARTIST your art is you and you are your art. There's just NO EXCUSE for contriving over writing.

I'm not excusing anything here. I don't think the song is album material- period. The song suited the purpose. The lipping issue is completely different in my eyes. A song written for an event does not equal fraud.

[Matthew]

I don't think the song is album material- period. The song suited the purpose.

Lula - I'm curious....why don't you feel this song is album material....aside from the lyrics that is?

[Melissa]

JSS and Neal should have written the song. It would probably have been a better reflection of what to expect in the future.

Maybe they were worried that a Soul Sirkus style track would frighten those people in pink trousers?

That guy in the pink pants has no idea how popular he is here now, lol.

[dcvader]

I'm not excusing anything here. I don't think the song is album material- period. The song suited the purpose. The lipping issue is completely different in my eyes. A song written for an event does not equal fraud.

Well said Lula. Why are we bringing up lipping again anyway?

[Saint John]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

[dcvader]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

SJ, don't forget JC had the painters hat with that outfit as well.

[Rockindeano]

Fucking lameasses.

1) Friga wrote it in a few days. it is a Jon Cain song with a neal guitar solo, and Soto on mic.

2) They emailed the MP3 around to Oregon, SoCal and NoCal. They each learned the parts.

3) It was a haste job.

4) This will never see an albim, guaranteed.

That is it in a nutshell. It was a song written for the event.

[Saint John]

Fucking lameasses.

1) Friga wrote it in a few days. it is a Jon Cain song with a neal guitar solo, and Soto on mic.

2) They emailed the MP3 around to Oregon, SoCal and NoCal. They each learned the parts.

3) It was a haste job.

4) This will never see an albim, guaranteed.

That is it in a nutshell. It was a song written for the event.

Are you sure? Don't you mean because Friga is on it that it's going to return Journey to "superstardom?"

[heardonthestreet]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

Except for the "fuck-stick," that is a spot on account, imo also.