Winds of Freedom

[Saint John]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

Except for the "fuck-stick," that is a spot on account, imo also.

Dammit HOTS!!!!!!! Quit making me start to like you!!!!

[heardonthestreet]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

Except for the "fuck-stick," that is a spot on account, imo also.

Dammit HOTS!!!!!!! Quit making me start to like you!!!!

Let yourself go. We think alike on more issues than not.

I suggested they paint the whale invisible.

[Rockindeano]

Dammit HOTS!!!!!!! Quit making me start to like you!!!!

That shit happens and we will have issues big daddy.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I'm not saying anything more over the top than what other people said when SA was lipping. What was the push to get SA out - to save the credibility of the band.

I'm saying the same thing here for the same reasons.

Because the new song was performed in front of a bunch of freaks wearing big hats and pink pants. Tapegate was a bit more serious, I think you'll agree.

This is simple. People didn't like SA lipping because it destroyed the credibility of their beloved band. Lipping is schlock is it not?

I'm saying that schlock writing is the same thing.

You and others here want to EXCUSE the writing. Nobody wanted to hear excuses for SA's lipping now did they? No excuse for it, right? No way should we cut slack for it.

Well, I'm saying that AS AN ARTIST your art is you and you are your art. There's just NO EXCUSE for contriving over writing.

I'm not excusing anything here. I don't think the song is album material- period. The song suited the purpose. The lipping issue is completely different in my eyes. A song written for an event does not equal fraud.

Then you don't understand the point of ARTISTRY and being TRUE to your art that I'm trying to convey here.

Lipping and schlock writing is the same thing - they're both disgraceful and inexcuseable. I don't know how more clearly I can put it.

[Saint John]

I want to see Perry ride over it in a monster truck.......while Cain is playing. J/K A regular pick-up will do just fine.

[heardonthestreet]

Dammit HOTS!!!!!!! Quit making me start to like you!!!!

That shit happens and we will have issues big daddy.

Sigh! Well that was short and sweet. I'll never keep a man on this board.

[Rockindeano]

HOTS' pussy is so big, you could divide it up into West Vagina, South Vagina, and North Vagina and still have some leftover for a catchers mitt.

[*Laura]

The lyrics were unintelligible because of the bad recording,so personally I wasn't influenced by the lyrical message at all.I listened to the song and as I said before,it would take a good recording of it to make me fully appreciate the song.However,it sure needs some more polishing.

If indeed the lyrics are strictly about the Virginia event,that'sthe reason why it would be wrong to put it on the new album.

Maybe they can redo it and change the lyrics.It's their song,they can do whatever they want to with it.
But if they will have enough of the actual album material they are thinking of and working on,they can leave WOF out.


As a side note - I don't believe Cain is not deserving full credit for Journey's success.That would deny the value of many of the classic huge Journey hits.
While Perry and Schon were the *salt* & *pepper*,I'd say Cain was the *sugar* .

Oh,and SJ,leave the Whale alone.Some things are simply sacred!The Scarab,The Whale and The Purple Shirt...Can't mess with these.

[Saint John]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

[NealIsGod]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

Then think of the lady from Throw Momma From the Train.

[Rockindeano]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

I just explained Her pussy two posts back.

[Saint John]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

Then think of the lady from Throw Momma From the Train.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

[Saint John]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

I just explained Her pussy two posts back.

It gave me a boner.....keep going!!!!

[Taliswoman]

I want to see Perry ride over it in a monster truck.......while Cain is playing. J/K A regular pick-up will do just fine.

You know what's funny, that event was so random, that "IF" Perry came in a Monster truck it would have fit right in with the hand gliding, helicopter nose dive demo's and the Mock police car chases.....

[heardonthestreet]

I had also read before on the Polo cup Event website (before tix went onsale) that the band was booked to play this event 2 or 3 years ago (as well as the other bands AND sponsors), So I am guessing ...that the song was probably written before the "New lineup" (just guessing - it probably had to be approved and signed off on by the event in advance). It's a decent song, IMO, but hopefully, Not an accurate current reflection.

Sorry, you guessed wrong. The song was written 3 weeks ago. They weren't booked to play this 3 years ago either.

They advertised this in at least December 2006 if not prior that Journey would be playing there, Specifically said something like - This was three years in the making and would play the new song written specifically for this event - I am sure you can see how I may "guess" that Deano

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"You won't hear anything here or anywhere for that matter, before May 12, but yes we are debuting a new song called Winds Of Freedom, a song written especially for & about Virginia. Jon & Neal knocked the core of it out while I was overseas, I will add & finish it up with some ideas as well & the song will debut that evening of the show."

[dcvader]

HOTS' pussy is so big, you could divide it up into West Vagina, South Vagina, and North Vagina and still have some leftover for a catchers mitt.

That's a whole lotta pussy. Damn!!!!!

[Saint John]

I want to see Perry ride over it in a monster truck.......while Cain is playing. J/K A regular pick-up will do just fine.

You know what's funny, that event was so random, that "IF" Perry came in a Monster truck it would have fit right in with the hand gliding, helicopter nose dive demo's and the Mock police car chases.....

Yeah, you're right....except I would've WANTED to see the Perry event.

[Rockindeano]

HOTS' pussy is so big, you could divide it up into West Vagina, South Vagina, and North Vagina and still have some leftover for a catchers mitt.

That's a whole lotta pussy. Damn!!!!!

Maggot metropolis.

[Taliswoman]

HOTS' pussy is so big, you could divide it up into West Vagina, South Vagina, and North Vagina and still have some leftover for a catchers mitt.

That's a whole lotta pussy. Damn!!!!!

Maggot metropolis.

Now that was Grosss!!!!! ewww

[Red13JoePa]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

Then think of the lady from Throw Momma From the Train.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

HOTSie looks like Mama Fratelli? Can't be. Her style says "hot."

[Soto All The Way]

Guy's it's a song about Virginia's history for a one-off show. Not a bad song, it is what it is - a special song for a special one-time event. Nothing less nothing more. Imagine the bitching that would take place if they included this song on a new CD. I can hear it now "why would they put that out", "don't they have a song that is not about a specific place or event", "they are a mature group of musicians, they can do better than that with song choices".

As SJ said "Much too early to pass ANY judgment".

I'm glad I was there to hear it live.

Well, I don't know about anyone else but there's no bitching about Winds of Freedom from me. I'm one of the few people who actually quite likes the damn song. All I'm saying is that it seems to me to be a reflection of where the band are currently 'at' creatively. In exactly the same place as before.

I had also read before on the Polo cup Event website (before tix went onsale) that the band was booked to play this event 2 or 3 years ago (as well as the other bands AND sponsors), So I am guessing ...that the song was probably written before the "New lineup" (just guessing - it probably had to be approved and signed off on by the event in advance). It's a decent song, IMO, but hopefully, Not an accurate current reflection.

Jeff just finisnished the song up a few days ago according to him in a post here....I don't think they took the time 3 years ago to write a song for this event....I guess we'll see when the credits come up. My money is Schon,Cain, Soto and Not Shon, Cain and Augeri.

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[heardonthestreet]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

Then think of the lady from Throw Momma From the Train.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

HOTSie looks like Mama Fratelli? Can't be. Her style says "hot."

You tell em Joe or I'll shut off your tap.

[Soto All The Way]

HOTS' pussy is so big, you could divide it up into West Vagina, South Vagina, and North Vagina and still have some leftover for a catchers mitt.

That's a whole lotta pussy. Damn!!!!!

Maggot metropolis.

Beautiful.....

Hey, Can I where TAILS to your wedding? Maybe a red jacket with black inserts and tails???? NOMOTO!!!!

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[Soto All The Way]

Do we know what HOTS looks like? I'm not very picky. I tend to look at inward beauty.

Then think of the lady from Throw Momma From the Train.

EWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

HOTSie looks like Mama Fratelli? Can't be. Her style says "hot."

You tell em Joe or I'll shut off your tap.

HOTS,

SO what's all this with your pussy......I missed something doing some work.....j/k

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[dcvader]

At least it a better song than Butterfly... ahem!

[Soto All The Way]

At least it a better song than Butterfly... ahem!

Ahh, I LOVE Butterfly!!!!! lol

Fuck, I say that, you'll all ban me!!!

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[Matthew]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

I love this! Getting lectured by someone about the importance of Perry and Schon.

My point was that Journey achieved superstardom when Cain joined the band. This is simply a fact - so get over it.

[Liam]

At least it a better song than Butterfly... ahem!

Ahh, I LOVE Butterfly!!!!! lol

Fuck, I say that, you'll all ban me!!!

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I'm sorry...your services are no longer needed here. j/k

[heardonthestreet]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

I love this! Getting lectured by someone about the importance of Perry and Schon.

My point was that Journey achieved superstardom when Cain joined the band. This is simply a fact - so get over it.

I think that they were well on their way before Cain, Matt. All it took was the Perry and Schon combo, imo. I know that Journey went on to be huge but I really think that they would have been bigger with top charting with Gregg. Never know though.

[cstarr]

HOTS' pussy is so big, you could divide it up into West Vagina, South Vagina, and North Vagina and still have some leftover for a catchers mitt.

Dean, if you ever say this shit to me I will kick your ass...though you would probably like that!

Don't you ever show these people how sweet you can be? Or is that supposed to be a secret?


Love to Lula!!