Winds of Freedom

[Saint John]

It sounds to me like a better than average post-80s Journey track...but very much in the same style as TBF, Arrival and Generations. It doesn't seem that Journey will be changing direction at all, does it? Maybe just doing the tried and tested thing a little better than they have done in recent years....

You're weird bro.

The song sucks. You won't hear it on a new CD. It's a Jon Cain (God fucking hbelp us) song.

Winds Of Freedon was really nothing more than a great chance to take a piss/grab a beer without missing a good song. I'm GUESSING it was written rather quickly as it didn't seem to be too musically elaborate. Not to mention that Neal would NOT miss more than 1 note on a new song he was "into." It had Friga's gayness written all over it.

Well, that "gayness" took Journey into superstardom and helped to define the sound the band are still flogging around to this day. I'd show some gratitude for the gayness, St John.

Bullshit. I'm really fuckin' tired of people giving Cain way more credit than he deserves. The guy was PART of a songwriting team, played/plays mediocre keyboards and adds nothing as far as background vocals go. Perry delivered the songs in an emotive style that will never be matched. Moreover, it was the Perry/Schon combination, the way their styles complimented each other, and the right musical climate that enabled Journey to achieve superstardom. Let me ask you this, fuck-stick....what happened when the Perry-Schon relationship soured? Answer: Creativity was stymied and the band's sales began to spiral downward. And no matter how hard Friga tried (in a fuckin' hairdresser's smock, with a perm and a keytar), he couldn't resuscitate Journey. I thank Perry and Schon for the heights Journey reached. The others were just a great supporting cast. Each important, but far less than the soul (Perry) and the sound (Schon). I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

I love this! Getting lectured by someone about the importance of Perry and Schon.

My point was that Journey achieved superstardom when Cain joined the band. This is simply a fact - so get over it.

Actually, you said Friga "took Journey into superstardom." Now you're doing a 180 and saying that it merely happened "when" he joined the band. You went from insinuating that it was a direct result of him joining the band, to more of a timing issue, something I alluded to earlier. This guy was barely relevant, let alone important. I suppose Faithfully was destined to be the timeless classic it's become without Perry. Oh wait, Cain did take it to #1 a few weeks back.

[Greg]

The lyrics were unintelligible because of the bad recording,so personally I wasn't influenced by the lyrical message at all.I listened to the song and as I said before,it would take a good recording of it to make me fully appreciate the song.However,it sure needs some more polishing.

If indeed the lyrics are strictly about the Virginia event,that'sthe reason why it would be wrong to put it on the new album.

Maybe they can redo it and change the lyrics.It's their song,they can do whatever they want to with it.
But if they will have enough of the actual album material they are thinking of and working on,they can leave WOF out.


As a side note - I don't believe Cain is not deserving full credit for Journey's success.That would deny the value of many of the classic huge Journey hits.
While Perry and Schon were the *salt* & *pepper*,I'd say Cain was the *sugar* .

Oh,and SJ,leave the Whale alone.Some things are simply sacred!The Scarab,The Whale and The Purple Shirt...Can't mess with these.

How about Journey just release it as a CD single?

[Matthew]

Actually, you said Friga "took Journey into superstardom." Now you're doing a 180 and saying that it merely happened "when" he joined the band. You went from insinuating that it was a direct result of him joining the band, to more of a timing issue, something I alluded to earlier. This guy was barely relevant, let alone important. I suppose Faithfully was destined to be the timeless classic it's become without Perry. Oh wait, Cain did take it to #1 a few weeks back.

No it wasn't just a timing issue. Sorry if I implied that. It was the Perry, Schon, Cain chemistry which propelled them into superstardom. The chemistry just between Perry and Schon hadn't been quite enough to achieve that before 1981.

Cain was barely relevant? Oh come off it St John...take one look at the song-writing credits on Escape, Frontiers and ROR and any moron can tell you're just posting a lot of crap for the hell of it.

[Saint John]

Actually, you said Friga "took Journey into superstardom." Now you're doing a 180 and saying that it merely happened "when" he joined the band. You went from insinuating that it was a direct result of him joining the band, to more of a timing issue, something I alluded to earlier. This guy was barely relevant, let alone important. I suppose Faithfully was destined to be the timeless classic it's become without Perry. Oh wait, Cain did take it to #1 a few weeks back.

No it wasn't just a timing issue. Sorry if I implied that. It was the Perry, Schon, Cain chemistry which propelled them into superstardom. The chemistry just between Perry and Schon hadn't been quite enough to achieve that before 1981.

Cain was barely relevant? Oh come off it St John...take one look at the song-writing credits on Escape, Frontiers and ROR and any moron can tell you're just posting a lot of crap for the hell of it.

What about Arrival, Red 13 and Generations? No Perry/Schon combo=no dice.

PS Had Neal played guitar on Street Talk it would have went 5x platinum.

[SunshineTwilight]

Guy's it's a song about Virginia's history for a one-off show. Not a bad song, it is what it is - a special song for a special one-time event. Nothing less nothing more. Imagine the bitching that would take place if they included this song on a new CD. I can hear it now "why would they put that out", "don't they have a song that is not about a specific place or event", "they are a mature group of musicians, they can do better than that with song choices".

As SJ said "Much too early to pass ANY judgment".

I'm glad I was there to hear it live.

Dave,

You took the words right out of my mouth! Couldn't have said it any better...it is what it is!!

I'm sure when the band gets into full writing mode that we will all be very surprised with what they come up with.

No pressure J!!

[Deb]

What about Arrival, Red 13 and Generations?

What are those?

[Eric]

I hope The Whale falls off the tour bus.

Fuck, I hope I'm not behind it!

[Saint John]

What about Arrival, Red 13 and Generations?

What are those?

The result of Friga firing Perry.

[SunshineTwilight]

JSS and Neal should have written the song. It would probably have been a better reflection of what to expect in the future.

Maybe they were worried that a Soul Sirkus style track would frighten those people in pink trousers?

That guy in the pink pants has no idea how popular he is here now, lol.

Let's not forget about his 'friend' in the light green pants...those two looked like a couple of circus clowns!

[Deb]

What about Arrival, Red 13 and Generations?

What are those?

The result of Friga firing Perry.

Thanks for the clarification.

[AR]

What about Arrival

A very good CD that most outside of the loons liked. A few songs in the right climate with radio play - it would have done very well.

Anyone outside of the hardcore fan base I have ever played it for liked it.

[Saint John]

What about Arrival

A very good CD that most outside of the loons liked. A few songs in the right climate with radio play - it would have done very well.

Anyone outside of the hardcore fan base I have ever played it for liked it.

Ed, I agree. I just wish I could hear that album with Perry on vocals, and a little more of the interaction that made Perry/Schon so awesome. Musically a B or B+ but vocally a C.

[ProgRocker53]

Rolie > Cain = Valory < Schon = God

End of story.

[Saint John]

Rolie > Cain = Valory < Schon = God

End of story.

See.....someone who equates Schon and Perry.

[ProgRocker53]

I do it to it, bruh.

[dcvader]

What about Arrival

A very good CD that most outside of the loons liked. A few songs in the right climate with radio play - it would have done very well.

Anyone outside of the hardcore fan base I have ever played it for liked it.

Ed, I agree. I just wish I could hear that album with Perry on vocals, and a little more of the interaction that made Perry/Schon so awesome. Musically a B or B+ but vocally a C.

Let's get Jeremey to cover Arrival !!!!! SJ, that's as close to Perry singing again that you will get.

[Saint John]

What about Arrival

A very good CD that most outside of the loons liked. A few songs in the right climate with radio play - it would have done very well.

Anyone outside of the hardcore fan base I have ever played it for liked it.

Ed, I agree. I just wish I could hear that album with Perry on vocals, and a little more of the interaction that made Perry/Schon so awesome. Musically a B or B+ but vocally a C.

Let's get Jeremey to cover Arrival !!!!! SJ, that's as close to Perry singing again that you will get.

I agree, DC. By the way, I heard our "argument" (the recorder was on) from the hotel Thursday, last night. WTF was I thinking? You win that argument. I'll concede....no recounts necessary!!!! Great idea...someone should isolate the instruments and let us hear what Arrival would have sounded like with a great singer.

[dcvader]

What about Arrival

A very good CD that most outside of the loons liked. A few songs in the right climate with radio play - it would have done very well.

Anyone outside of the hardcore fan base I have ever played it for liked it.

Ed, I agree. I just wish I could hear that album with Perry on vocals, and a little more of the interaction that made Perry/Schon so awesome. Musically a B or B+ but vocally a C.

Let's get Jeremey to cover Arrival !!!!! SJ, that's as close to Perry singing again that you will get.

I agree, DC. By the way, I heard our "argument" (the recorder was on) from the hotel Thursday, last night. WTF was I thinking? You win that argument. I'll concede....no recounts necessary!!!! Great idea...someone should isolate the instruments and let us hear what Arrival would have sounded like with a great singer.

What were we arguing?

[Matthew]

Actually, you said Friga "took Journey into superstardom." Now you're doing a 180 and saying that it merely happened "when" he joined the band. You went from insinuating that it was a direct result of him joining the band, to more of a timing issue, something I alluded to earlier. This guy was barely relevant, let alone important. I suppose Faithfully was destined to be the timeless classic it's become without Perry. Oh wait, Cain did take it to #1 a few weeks back.

No it wasn't just a timing issue. Sorry if I implied that. It was the Perry, Schon, Cain chemistry which propelled them into superstardom. The chemistry just between Perry and Schon hadn't been quite enough to achieve that before 1981.

Cain was barely relevant? Oh come off it St John...take one look at the song-writing credits on Escape, Frontiers and ROR and any moron can tell you're just posting a lot of crap for the hell of it.

What about Arrival, Red 13 and Generations? No Perry/Schon combo=no dice.

PS Had Neal played guitar on Street Talk it would have went 5x platinum.

All very true....and had Perry written some songs with Jonathan Cain Street Talk might have gone 5x platinum too.

So how you account for the difference Journey's album sales from 1980 to 1981? In 1980 they released an album which sold 3,000,000. In 1981 they released an album that sold 9,000,000.


Would Perry and Schon have scaled the same heights without Cain? Well, they hadn't - and they haven't since Journey's peak. The only success Schon has enjoyed outside Journey was with...Jonathan Cain in Bad English. And Perry? Well, much as he's the greatest singer who ever lived his solo career never lived up to the artistic and commercial standards he set with Cain.

And let's not forget who is the only member of Journey who's still got it chart-wise in 2007.....

So show the guy some love for fuck's sake! And how ANY Journey fan can disrespect the Whale is beyond me.

[Matthew]

Fucking lameasses.

1) Friga wrote it in a few days. it is a Jon Cain song with a neal guitar solo, and Soto on mic.

2) They emailed the MP3 around to Oregon, SoCal and NoCal. They each learned the parts.

3) It was a haste job.

4) This will never see an albim, guaranteed.

That is it in a nutshell. It was a song written for the event.

....in exactly the same style as a load of other tracks which DID make it into previous albums. So here we are in May 2007 in a state of anticipation about the much-heralded creative renaissance and - ominously - the excuses are starting up again.

Deano - do you expect the new album to sound different from this song? Just curious...

[Rockindeano]

What about Arrival

A very good CD that most outside of the loons liked. A few songs in the right climate with radio play - it would have done very well.

Anyone outside of the hardcore fan base I have ever played it for liked it.

A fucking coaster. That's all it is.

How can you listen to anything Steve Augeri sang on? Seriously. He has tarnished the last 8 years and they will never get over his tenure. To think I actually told people about the new Journey, "He is pretty fuckin good. Dude holds his own." Oh man, I am redfaced over that shit.

PHONY ROCK STAR.

[Matthew]

Rolie > Cain = Valory < Schon = God

End of story.

Eh?

[Rockindeano]

Deano - do you expect the new album to sound different from this song? Just curious...

Absolutely. I KNOW it will.

The Jamestown song is a Jon Cain song with guest Neal Schon on it. File it away folks. It's history.

[Matthew]

A fucking coaster. That's all it is.

So true...

[Rockindeano]

So show the guy some love for fuck's sake! And how ANY Journey fan can disrespect the Whale is beyond me.

If you only knew the whole story.

[Matthew]

Deano - do you expect the new album to sound different from this song? Just curious...

Absolutely. I KNOW it will.

The Jamestown song is a Jon Cain song with guest Neal Schon on it. File it away folks. It's history.

Sure - I'm finally all talked out about Winds of Freedom....

Just wanted to quickly say....it was a Journey song though, Deano. I mean...you could say that Faithfully was a Cain song with Schon guesting on it....but we all know it's a Journey classic. Why is WOF denied full Journey status?

[Matthew]

So show the guy some love for fuck's sake! And how ANY Journey fan can disrespect the Whale is beyond me.

If you only knew the whole story.

Straight from Neal Schon's untrustworthy mouth I'm sure....

[Rockindeano]

So show the guy some love for fuck's sake! And how ANY Journey fan can disrespect the Whale is beyond me.

If you only knew the whole story.

Straight from Neal Schon's untrustworthy mouth I'm sure....

Actually no. Neal knows what I write here. He knows I don't put words in his mouth.

[Matthew]

So show the guy some love for fuck's sake! And how ANY Journey fan can disrespect the Whale is beyond me.

If you only knew the whole story.

Straight from Neal Schon's untrustworthy mouth I'm sure....

Actually no. Neal knows what I write here. He knows I don't put words in his mouth.

I actually meant that he puts words in your mouth...

[Rockindeano]

I actually meant that he puts words in your mouth...

No again. I am my own man. But, I love that guy. He knows it.

Speaking of words in the mouth?


Joke time.


What is the most important thing to ever come out of a woman's mouth?
























Answer- Einstiens cock.