Andrew.....

[Saint John]

They remind me of Journey's ROR era. Just as horrifying.

Twenty-one years on and it still hurts! You're never going to recover from that trauma are you NIG....

Nope. It was compounded by the release of TBF instead of a triumphant comeback CD.

Keep it up.........fucker. ROR was a great album.

Agreed. Has it all.

I'd love to have documentary footage of the making of that record, and cds full of the recording sessions outtakes, demos and all.

I actually prefer Neal's slower, more artistic melodic playing at times. Sometimes he simply goes too fast for the song. ROR showed his versatility and ability to interact with Perry's voice. Perry and Schon shine on this album. Hell, they WERE the album.

[Red13JoePa]

We had this talk the other day and I will reiterate.
Perry the PRODUCER of ROR, got an unbeleivably tight, diverse performance from Neal, showing remarkable subtlety/restraint in parts that prolly surprised the shit out of Neal himself. For that ONE record, ROR sometimes less was more and him and Perry GOT it for those tracks.

[ohsherrie]

We had this talk the other day and I will reiterate.
Perry the PRODUCER of ROR, got an unbeleivably tight, diverse performance from Neal, showing remarkable subtlety/restraint in parts that prolly surprised the shit out of Neal himself. For that ONE record, ROR sometimes less was more and him and Perry GOT it for those tracks.

True Dat.

[NealIsGod]

We had this talk the other day and I will reiterate.
Perry the PRODUCER of ROR, got an unbeleivably tight, diverse performance from Neal, showing remarkable subtlety/restraint in parts that prolly surprised the shit out of Neal himself. For that ONE record, ROR sometimes less was more and him and Perry GOT it for those tracks.

That's the estrogen talking.

[Red13JoePa]

We had this talk the other day and I will reiterate.
Perry the PRODUCER of ROR, got an unbeleivably tight, diverse performance from Neal, showing remarkable subtlety/restraint in parts that prolly surprised the shit out of Neal himself. For that ONE record, ROR sometimes less was more and him and Perry GOT it for those tracks.

True Dat.

Perry should've produced Trial By Fire. The whole fucking thing had his imprimatur on it anyway, so why not just have him produce the thing instead of the other butcher they used?

[Red13JoePa]

We had this talk the other day and I will reiterate.
Perry the PRODUCER of ROR, got an unbeleivably tight, diverse performance from Neal, showing remarkable subtlety/restraint in parts that prolly surprised the shit out of Neal himself. For that ONE record, ROR sometimes less was more and him and Perry GOT it for those tracks.

That's the estrogen talking.

Screw you, and I might submit, too that as a died in the wool Neal head like me, you should be PROUD of his work on ROR. Must've been challenging as hell for him and he came through with flying colors.


Now, ruin my airtight factual rebuke with your one-liner of choice.

[NealIsGod]

We had this talk the other day and I will reiterate.
Perry the PRODUCER of ROR, got an unbeleivably tight, diverse performance from Neal, showing remarkable subtlety/restraint in parts that prolly surprised the shit out of Neal himself. For that ONE record, ROR sometimes less was more and him and Perry GOT it for those tracks.

That's the estrogen talking.

Screw you, and I might submit, too that as a died in the wool Neal head like me, you should be PROUD of his work on ROR. Must've been challenging as hell for him and he came through with flying colors.


Now, ruin my airtight factual rebuke with your one-liner of choice.

You are too young to understand what I am talking about. You didn't even like Journey until the '90's. You can't appreciate watching your favorite band sell out like that.

[Red13JoePa]

Dude, I'm like 2 years younger than you. Gimme a break

And I might drive on what you're paving if I THOUGHT it was a sellout, rather than the next step in their sound.


You and NoMoreTails both, there is ZERO reasoning w/ you 2 on this matter. You're both the charter, card-carrying members of the ROR Is A Sellout club.

[Rockindeano]

Both of you two knobs would be different had you seen Perry live. Changes everything.

[NealIsGod]

Dude, I'm like 2 years younger than you. Gimme a break

And I might drive on what you're paving if I THOUGHT it was a sellout, rather than the next step in their sound.


You and NoMoreTails both, there is ZERO reasoning w/ you 2 on this matter. You're both the charter, card-carrying members of the ROR Is A Sellout club.

I thought you were in your early 30's?

Doesn't matter. You didn't like them until they were already done. Just like we can't appreciate cubby's position on preferring pre-Perry Journey, you can't appreciate mine on pre-ROR Journey.

[Matthew]

You are too young to understand what I am talking about. You didn't even like Journey until the '90's. You can't appreciate watching your favorite band sell out like that.

Come off it NIG. Journey "sold out" the moment they decided they were fed up playing jazz-rock to a bunch of blokes on the club circuit back in the 1970s....

[NealIsGod]

Both of you two knobs would be different had you seen Perry live. Changes everything.

I have told you several times that I saw Perry on the ROR tour. After seeing the Houston show and Frontiers and Beyond, what I got on the ROR tour PALED in comparison.

[NealIsGod]

You are too young to understand what I am talking about. You didn't even like Journey until the '90's. You can't appreciate watching your favorite band sell out like that.

Come off it NIG. Journey "sold out" the moment they decided they were fed up playing jazz-rock to a bunch of blokes on the club circuit back in the 1970s....

That's cubby's position. Whatever happened to that guy?

[Deb]

Both of you two knobs would be different had you seen Perry live. Changes everything.

So true! Saw them May 82.....nothing quite like it since. Although would love to have seen that Calaveras 86 concert live!

[Red13JoePa]

Both of you two knobs would be different had you seen Perry live. Changes everything.

Baaaahhh

I'm over it.

Hell's the difference, anyway, I have the live recordings all of which allow you to hear more of the music than when you're there?

[SteveForever]

Both of you two knobs would be different had you seen Perry live. Changes everything.

I have told you several times that I saw Perry on the ROR tour. After seeing the Houston show and Frontiers and Beyond, what I got on the ROR tour PALED in comparison.

No concert will ever be as good as the ones with Perry, never! so fortunate I got to see him several times.

Anyway, here's a pic. of NIG and AR years down the road still chasing Journey........

[Matthew]

Just like we can't appreciate cubby's position on preferring pre-Perry Journey, you can't appreciate mine on pre-ROR Journey.

Except there's a huge difference between the first three albums and those with Perry fronting the band. ROR did have a few differences but not enough for your cubby analogy to stand up. Give or take a couple of tracks, ROR still essentially followed the same formula which they used on Infinity-Frontiers.

[ohsherrie]

We had this talk the other day and I will reiterate.
Perry the PRODUCER of ROR, got an unbeleivably tight, diverse performance from Neal, showing remarkable subtlety/restraint in parts that prolly surprised the shit out of Neal himself. For that ONE record, ROR sometimes less was more and him and Perry GOT it for those tracks.

True Dat.

Perry should've produced Trial By Fire. The whole fucking thing had his imprimatur on it anyway, so why not just have him produce the thing instead of the other butcher they used?

I think that would have been a great idea, but I doubt that the rest of the band would have allowed it. I like most of TBF the way it is anyway. In fact it often edges ROR out as my favorite.

[Matthew]

That's cubby's position. Whatever happened to that guy?

I don't know, NIG. I've had a few good scraps with him!

Actually, it's hard to say that Cubby is wrong on this....except I guess that progressive/jazz rock was a fashionable genre in the mid-1970s so it could be argued that Journey were following the money even then.

[Matthew]

I think that would have been a great idea,

Yes me too - and I agree with Red as well that Schon's work on ROR was outstanding and unusually diverse - and that his performance on TBF didn't quite match it - possibly because Perry wasn't tightening the screws enough.

[ohsherrie]

I think that would have been a great idea,

Yes me too - and I agree with Red as well that Schon's work on ROR was outstanding and unusually diverse - and that his performance on TBF didn't quite match it - possibly because Perry wasn't tightening the screws enough.

I think Neal did some really great work on TBF especially on Easy to Fall and the title song. Overall though I think there was more emphasis on keyboards on it than ROR.

[Matthew]

I think Neal did some really great work on TBF especially on Easy to Fall and the title song..

True Sherrie - especially the title song!

[NealIsGod]

I think that would have been a great idea,

Yes me too - and I agree with Red as well that Schon's work on ROR was outstanding and unusually diverse - and that his performance on TBF didn't quite match it - possibly because Perry wasn't tightening the screws enough.

ROR was a great Hall & Oates album.

[Matthew]

I think that would have been a great idea,

Yes me too - and I agree with Red as well that Schon's work on ROR was outstanding and unusually diverse - and that his performance on TBF didn't quite match it - possibly because Perry wasn't tightening the screws enough.

ROR was a great Hall & Oates album.

Unbelievable...


Actually, Positive Touch was a bit Hall and Oates, wasn't it?

[Liam]

I think that would have been a great idea,

Yes me too - and I agree with Red as well that Schon's work on ROR was outstanding and unusually diverse - and that his performance on TBF didn't quite match it - possibly because Perry wasn't tightening the screws enough.

ROR was a great Hall & Oates album.

Funny you mention that 'cause that's always the vibe I got from ROR.

[NealIsGod]

I think that would have been a great idea,

Yes me too - and I agree with Red as well that Schon's work on ROR was outstanding and unusually diverse - and that his performance on TBF didn't quite match it - possibly because Perry wasn't tightening the screws enough.

ROR was a great Hall & Oates album.

Funny you mention that 'cause that's always the vibe I got from ROR.

Yeah, and I like Hall & Oates. Just didn't like Journey morphing into them.

[larryfromnextdoor]

nig, i dont think susan and phyllis are related in any way...

[Matthew]

I think that would have been a great idea,

Yes me too - and I agree with Red as well that Schon's work on ROR was outstanding and unusually diverse - and that his performance on TBF didn't quite match it - possibly because Perry wasn't tightening the screws enough.

ROR was a great Hall & Oates album.

Funny you mention that 'cause that's always the vibe I got from ROR.

Yeah, and I like Hall & Oates. Just didn't like Journey morphing into them.

Steve Smith did some great drum work on Positive Touch though, didn't he? I know it's been argued that the presence of Smith in the band would have turned ROR into an archetypal Journey album but Positive Touch shows it didn't make the slightest bit of difference having him around!

[Melissa]

nig, i dont think susan and phyllis are related in any way...

Yeah I told one of my co-workers that, he said "No way!", lol.

[NealIsGod]

nig, i dont think susan and phyllis are related in any way...

Yeah I told one of my co-workers that, he said "No way!", lol.

I agree.