Only The Young - Depressing

[NealIsGod]

I know that's what a lot of the fans who don't care who sings or how they sound as long as the can strain up to the high notes want to think, and it may be true for some, but there really are some of us for whom the vocals are the focal point of the sound and just plain did not think Augeri sung well enough to give us what we wanted and expected from Journey. Perry's incredible voice was a huge part of Journey and having a pale, shallow replacement who could strain out the notes just didn't cut it.

Incredible.

Coming in a thread about ABOUT a mmmmm questionable? performance of his, one that was attempted to be excused both by having come too late (debunked) then too early (preposterous) in the show, and then by having been sick.

And then STILL excused by having the tried and true "it's the feeling BEHIND the performance/The EMOTION he brings to the performance that matter (whatever those mean, however they're guagued)" rhetoric applied when all else fails.

Yup, you can set your watch by it, it's so predictable.

[Red13JoePa]

Incredible.

Coming in a thread about ABOUT a mmmmm questionable? performance of his, one that was attempted to be excused both by having come too late (debunked) then too early (preposterous) in the show, and then by having been sick.

And then STILL excused by having the tried and true "it's the feeling BEHIND the performance/The EMOTION he brings to the performance that matter (whatever those mean, however they're guagued)" rhetoric applied when all else fails.

Yup, you can set your watch by it, it's so predictable.

Another favorite is this switcheroo: "They hired a singer that sounded too close to perry (then)/he sounded nothing like perry."

[SteveForever]

I know that's what a lot of the fans who don't care who sings or how they sound as long as the can strain up to the high notes want to think, and it may be true for some, but there really are some of us for whom the vocals are the focal point of the sound and just plain did not think Augeri sung well enough to give us what we wanted and expected from Journey. Perry's incredible voice was a huge part of Journey and having a pale, shallow replacement who could strain out the notes just didn't cut it.

Incredible.

Coming in a thread about ABOUT a mmmmm questionable? performance of his, one that was attempted to be excused both by having come too late (debunked) then too early (preposterous) in the show, and then by having been sick.

And then STILL excused by having the tried and true "it's the feeling BEHIND the performance/The EMOTION he brings to the performance that matter (whatever those mean, however they're guagued)" rhetoric applied when all else fails.

Yup, you can set your watch by it, it's so predictable.

Another favorite is this switcheroo: "They hired a singer that sounded too close to perry (then)/he sounded nothing like perry."

red hot poker comes to mind.....

[Red13JoePa]

Yup, you can set your watch by it, it's so predictable.

Another favorite is this switcheroo: "They hired a singer that sounded too close to perry (then)/he sounded nothing like perry."

red hot poker comes to mind.....

Well, phallic symbolism always comes to your mind.

[SteveForever]

Yup, you can set your watch by it, it's so predictable.

Another favorite is this switcheroo: "They hired a singer that sounded too close to perry (then)/he sounded nothing like perry."

red hot poker comes to mind.....

Well, phallic symbolism always comes to your mind.

dang you are quick, damn you!

[Red13JoePa]

Strangegrey trained me well.

[ohsherrie]

I know that's what a lot of the fans who don't care who sings or how they sound as long as the can strain up to the high notes want to think, and it may be true for some, but there really are some of us for whom the vocals are the focal point of the sound and just plain did not think Augeri sung well enough to give us what we wanted and expected from Journey. Perry's incredible voice was a huge part of Journey and having a pale, shallow replacement who could strain out the notes just didn't cut it.

Incredible.

Coming in a thread about ABOUT a mmmmm questionable? performance of his, one that was attempted to be excused both by having come too late (debunked) then too early (preposterous) in the show, and then by having been sick.

And then STILL excused by having the tried and true "it's the feeling BEHIND the performance/The EMOTION he brings to the performance that matter (whatever those mean, however they're guagued)" rhetoric applied when all else fails.

I don't know where you got that out of anything I said.

I never said the clip in question was a good performance by Perry. I only said Perry is held to a higher standard than Augeri or Jeff. Not many answers to my question about that either by the way.

You asked why some of us like Jeff but didn't like Augeri and I told you how I felt about it. Now you want to argue about it. So here I am, arguing. Why aren't you happy?

[Red13JoePa]

I answered that my standard's the same for all 3 singers.

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys for me to sit here and say "well my standard for perry's different because he's HIM (swoon /faint)."

[Matthew]

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys

You are clearly either insane or a cloth-eared ignoramus Red.

[Red13JoePa]

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys

You are clearly either insane or a cloth-eared ignoramus Red.

Neither.

Merely (to you whackjobs) a heretic espousing apocryphal gospels is the loon church.

[Matthew]

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys

You are clearly either insane or a cloth-eared ignoramus Red.

Neither.

Merely (to you whackjobs) a heretic espousing apocryphal gospels is the loon church.

Red - has it occured to you that we're merely concerned Journey fans who feel that the band has let it slide a little in recent years? I mean...you can elevate this to epic, Bibilical proportions if you like...but it's all much more mundane than that.

[Deb]

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys

Seriously? I realize that everybody has their own opinions, but WOW! You seriously didn't think Perry was a better vocalist than Augeri? Or are you just having fun here?

[Matthew]

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys

Seriously? I realize that everybody has their own opinions, but WOW! You seriously didn't thing Perry was a better vocalist than Augeri? Or are you just having fun here?

Deb - I'm convinced he's just winding us up.

[ohsherrie]

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys

You are clearly either insane or a cloth-eared ignoramus Red.

Neither.

Merely (to you whackjobs) a heretic espousing apocryphal gospels is the loon church.

Red - has it occured to you that we're merely concerned Journey fans who feel that the band has let it slide a little in recent years? I mean...you can elevate this to epic, Bibilical proportions if you like...but it's all much more mundane than that.

It's just their predictable standard response Matt. Anyone who didn't like Augeri as well as Perry and doesn't think the band was as good with him "is nothing but a fawning, drooling 'loon and therefore their opinion of the vocals and music has no credibility".

It's the cross we bear for not selling out our expectations and settling for mediocrity.

[Matthew]

It's the cross we bear for not selling out our expectations and settling for mediocrity.

So true, Sherrie...so true...

[Red13JoePa]

Red - has it occured to you that we're merely concerned Journey fans who feel that the band has let it slide a little in recent years? I mean...you can elevate this to epic, Bibilical proportions if you like...but it's all much more mundane than that.

No.
But it's just occured to me NOW that if you lot thinks the music has slipped these days, then you ain't seen nothing yet to coin a phrase. The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

The cult thing, as you're doubtless aware, was flippant but eerily not far off the mark.

[Deb]

I just don't think he was that much better if at all than the other guys

Seriously? I realize that everybody has their own opinions, but WOW! You seriously didn't thing Perry was a better vocalist than Augeri? Or are you just having fun here?

Deb - I'm convinced he's just winding us up.

LOL we're just too damned easy.

[Matthew]

The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

I wouldn't give a shit if Perry sounded like Johnny Cash...as long as he sits himself down in the studio with Cain and Schon again I'll be happy.

[Red13JoePa]

It's the cross we bear for not selling out our expectations and settling for mediocrity.

So true, Sherrie...so true...

BTW, you were exempted from my clinic because unlike the questionable motives of your bretheren perry black mass attendees, you've also treated the advent of the JSS era with scorn.

[Matthew]

It's the cross we bear for not selling out our expectations and settling for mediocrity.

So true, Sherrie...so true...

BTW, you were exempted from my clinic because unlike the questionable motives of your bretheren perry black mass attendees, you've also treated the advent of the JSS era with scorn.

I still shelled out the equivalent of $100 to see Journey with JSS....and I had a surprisingly good night!

[Red13JoePa]

The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

I wouldn't give a shit if Perry sounded like Johnny Cash...as long as he sits himself down in the studio with Cain and Schon again I'll be happy.

Yet another reason why I exempt you. You don't espouse the Vocal Standard Can Never Be Violated precept, knowing full well that the voice himself would desecrate the rule.

[Deb]

The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back........ get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

Can't see that happening, he's done touring with Journey. Maybe a one off. I have no doubt he can still emote a song like he always has, but I would rather see Journey carry on with Jeff at this point and have Steve do something solo.

[Deb]

It's the cross we bear for not selling out our expectations and settling for mediocrity.

So true, Sherrie...so true...

BTW, you were exempted from my clinic because unlike the questionable motives of your bretheren perry black mass attendees, you've also treated the advent of the JSS era with scorn.

LOL, translation = your not a chick.

[Matthew]

The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

I wouldn't give a shit if Perry sounded like Johnny Cash...as long as he sits himself down in the studio with Cain and Schon again I'll be happy.

Yet another reason why I exempt you. You don't espouse the Vocal Standard Can Never Be Violated precept, knowing full well that the voice himself would desecrate the rule.

Ah...but the rule isn't confined to range alone, Red. There's the whole question of SOUL...and even a much-diminished Perry would be able to make a new Journey record feel like a spiritual experience.

[Matthew]

The day your collective fantasy comes true and he comes back........ get the "yea but he EMOTES/Yea but he brings FEELING" templates put onto your keyboard typeset because you'll be reading the horror of Journey fans listening to perry's FTLOSM tour vox (which I dig but many more are shocked and awed in a bad way by)+ at least 15 more years of depreciation.

Can't see that happening, he's done touring with Journey. Maybe a one off. I have no doubt he can still emote a song like he always has, but I would rather see Journey carry on with Jeff at this point and have Steve do something solo.

I accept that it won't happen and that JSS is doing a good job standing in...but I can't say I'd rather have the reality of things as they are now, Deb.

[Red13JoePa]

Ah...but the rule isn't confined to range alone, Red. There's the whole question of SOUL... even a much-diminished Perry would be able to make a new Journey record feel like a spiritual experience.

There it is, right on cue.
When the so-called higher performance standard house of cards gets blasted by stiff breeze, just admit that the reasons are purely nostalgic er, I mean Intangible, rather than ability-based.

[NoMoreTails]

It's as if anyone else going out and singing the songs and keeping Journey going can get away with mediocrity but if Perry sings them he has to be perfect and sound like he did 30 years ago.

But the criticism in this thread (what I've read anyway) was regarding what he sounded like live about three years after OTY was recorded. No one expects Perry now to sound like he did on TBF or FTLOSM let alone what he did 30 years ago....except certain loons who still think he's the vocal god he used to be... The guys who replaced him were older when they started than Perry was when he quit the first time at 36. They have been held to Perry's standards much more than Perry has ever been held to his own. Their live (mostly...) performances have been compared to the studio version of Perry's performances by the hardcore and casual fan alike, with them singing songs Perry recorded when he was 10 (nearly 20 for some in the case of end of tenure SA) years younger than them.
If anything, Perry has been given the benefit of this more mature and emotional voice bs to which Red alludes.

[Matthew]

Ah...but the rule isn't confined to range alone, Red. There's the whole question of SOUL... even a much-diminished Perry would be able to make a new Journey record feel like a spiritual experience.

There it is, right on cue.
When the so-called higher performance standard house of cards gets blasted by stiff breeze, just admit that the reasons are purely nostalgic er, I mean Intangible, rather than ability-based.

If I'm not mistaken Red you are a religious man. Are you telling me that the soul is just some waffly, vague concept that shouldn't be taken seriously? That soul isn't a crucial aspect of a vocalist's gift? There are millions of singers out there who can squawk out the high notes. There's so much more to those 'standards' than that...

Nostalgia? Yes, up to a point - but it's that 'intangible' quality that separates the men from the boys and Perry will never lose it.

[frfksakes]

Not his greatest vocal performance, no. But boy what I’d give to see him (w/them) perform even THIS well again.

[Red13JoePa]

If I'm not mistaken Red you are a religious man. Are you telling me that the soul is just some waffly, vague concept that shouldn't be taken seriously? That soul isn't a crucial aspect of a vocalist's gift?

This would be a fairly (typically) arrogant analogy were it not for the fact that it's so comically desperate a reach.