Kevin Chalfant Journey tribute cd. What a voice!!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

What's "wrong" with what I said? I PERSONALLY know people who thought SP was in JOURNEY until I cleared it up for them (being the nice guy and devout JOURNEY fan that I am). I wouldn't call them ignorant or foolish.

There is a difference between someone you know being ignorant and the band putting forth an effort to 'fool' them into believing as they did.

And what is the difference Mr. Semantics?

Please don't answer that.

I know LOTS of people that said BEGINNING IN 1998 that SA came across to them as a CLONE. That he looked and sang "just like Perry" and they thought it was HACK.

So what? If that's their opinion, I couldn't care less.

And therein lies the problem. You SHOULD care. The only opinion/commentary/POV you seem to care about is your own.

Didn't your parents ever teach you how to play nice? To care?

If you don't care then you have no right replying to anyone.

There's a difference between replying because you care and replying because you don't

[Blueskies]

uh oh..long posts means Monkers in the house

[Monker]

So what? If that's their opinion, I couldn't care less.

And therein lies the problem. You SHOULD care. The only opinion/commentary/POV you seem to care about is your own.

Why should I care about someone's opinion about Augeri from up to 10yrs ago? It's irrelevant in today's world. 10yrs ago it would have been a different story. How somebody reacts to JSS is what matters nowadays.

If you don't care then you have no right replying to anyone.

Unless Andrew decides to kick me off again, I have the ability to reply to anyone I want to.

There's a difference between replying because you care and replying because you don't

And, there is a difference between the above and replying because I want to, and can.

[Blueskies]

Your just a quotin' machine Monk

[Wheels Of Fyre]

So what? If that's their opinion, I couldn't care less.

And therein lies the problem. You SHOULD care. The only opinion/commentary/POV you seem to care about is your own.

Why should I care about someone's opinion about Augeri from up to 10yrs ago? It's irrelevant in today's world. 10yrs ago it would have been a different story. How somebody reacts to JSS is what matters nowadays.

If you don't care then you have no right replying to anyone.

Unless Andrew decides to kick me off again, I have the ability to reply to anyone I want to.

There's a difference between replying because you care and replying because you don't

And, there is a difference between the above and replying because I want to, and can.

But my daddy can kick your daddy's ass!

[SusieP]

Suz,

I'm one of the folks that was suggesting Hugo for similar reasons to The Fly's take on Kevin (which I also agree with). He's a known quantity and has proven he can write brilliant music as well. Here's a clip of Hugo when he was doing Valentine. Its a bit harder than Journey but should give you an idea of what he can do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfmeOdxNJbU

L8r,

Aaron

Here ya go. LIVE at a BAR.....no studio, no Pro Tools no second chances. Straight LIVE. Notice how much more power he has. Chalfant can't carry his mic stand.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP5DaxuJ ... ed&search=

Sounds great! But I don't think he sings with the same power as Kevin. Either one would be great. But can Jeremey write and has he ever recorded in the studio? Kevin sounds like Journey but without sounding like "Perry Clone" and is a proven great song writer. I'd still pick Kevin. BUt Jeremey is a very good singer IMO.

Is Jeff's job up for grabs or something?
Has his time in the revolving door finished already?

I heard talk on here [when I joined] about someone called Hugo.
I never heard his voice, so, as we are castingthe lead in the Journey version of "Rock Star" on here today, anyone got any clips of his voice, please?

Wow so THAT's Hugo!
Bloody hell, I really like that!
The physical similarity to Perry is quite striking.
How old is that vid? How old is he now?
So he is/was in a band called Valentine, and also a Journey tribute band?

Thanks Aaron.
I'd seen the name Hugo bandied about but had no idea what he looked or sounded like.
Great clips!

I've heard Jeremey before, and I listened to The Kevin clips.
Nice voices all.
Thanks for posting the clips everyone.

[Andrew]

Unless Andrew decides to kick me off again, I have the ability to reply to anyone I want to.

I thought we delt with this Monker. Do you have unresolved issues? Cause I sure as shit don't want to hear about the time I kicked you off for 12 hours, every second post. That'd be as bad as the 'how I should run the forum' posts.

Tell me you can get past this please!

[NealIsGod]

Monker, I am sure you will agree that Journey could never make everybody happy. If they had hired someone who sounds like Perry, they would have been blasted for not being original. So they brought in JSS, and then some people complain that he doesn't sound enough like Perry, or that he is "too hard rock" for Journey. Perry in his prime is the only thing that would make Journey fans 100% happy, and that is impossible, unless you have a time machine. And we all know that only the obscenely wealthy have access to those.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Monker, I am sure you will agree that Journey could never make everybody happy. If they had hired someone who sounds like Perry, they would have been blasted for not being original. So they brought in JSS, and then some people complain that he doesn't sound enough like Perry, or that he is "too hard rock" for Journey. Perry in his prime is the only thing that would make Journey fans 100% happy, and that is impossible, unless you have a time machine. And we all know that only the obscenely wealthy have access to those.

I happen to bend space and time with rather little effort and absolutely no money.

Anyway, I digress.

Perry in his prime is exactly it. Whoever gets behind the JOURNEY mic will forever be compared to SP. JOURNEY's constant nostalgic tours under different names have only helped to perpetuate the comparisons.

You forgot apathy. How about the "He does the songs justice." position?

UGH.

JOURNEY is both blessed and cursed by the ghost of Perry. His singing helped them establish themselves in the music world but it also placed them at a crossroad from which there is seemingly no good way to turn.

[Red13JoePa]

Perry in his prime is the only thing that would make Journey fans 100% happy,

Not 100%.

Other than that, I agree with your post.

Monks raises an intriguing point though about being Perry-like is ok, even exhulted by some here, unless the last name happens to be Augeri.


And so there's no confusion about this, J is my friend and I love Frontiers music.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Perry in his prime is the only thing that would make Journey fans 100% happy,

Not 100%.

Other than that, I agree with your post.

Monks raises an intriguing point though about being Perry-like is ok, even exhulted by some here, unless the last name happens to be Augeri.


And so there's no confusion about this, J is my friend and I love Frontiers music.

Being Perry-like is one thing. Imitating him is another.

The thing that attracted me to Perry was that he was Sam Cooke-like. He had those Sam Cooke soulful inflections. Rod Stewart, too. Nothing wrong with emulating your hero - just don't lose your own originality along the way.

[NealIsGod]

Nothing wrong with emulating your hero - just don't lose your own originality along the way.

Which Soto seems to have down pretty well.

[AR]

Ok, someone send me a link to the files on yousendit to the Kevin version of the songs. I am buying it (I'm good that way) but am bored and want something to listen to today. I just don't have enough CD's.

[Perrylover]

Oh, please, the clip that was posted is a Perry impersonator. He makes his $'s by coming as close to Perry's vocals as possible. He's not singing the songs with the same feeling as Perry. He's singing them with the idea of chaneling Perry's voice, his inflections, and hoping the audience closing their eyes and imagine Perry is singing.

Journey would be nuts to hire Jeremy, or Hugo, or anyone else who goes out of their way to sound exactly like Perry....and has made a living out of it. That would make the band look silly.

Jeremy, and Hugo, have great voices...and I would even say Jeremy - based on that clip - has a better voice then Hugo. However, hiring somebody who has gone out of their way to sound (and in Hugo's case, look) EXACTLY like Perry is plain stupid. It was stupid back when Perry left, or was fired, from the band...and it is stupid today.

Chalfant, on the other hand, doesn't NEED to do this. Whether or not he ever sings with Journey is irrelevant. In fact, I wouldn't wish that curse upon hin. If you don't like Chalfant, fine...your loss. He did this CD for HIS fans...not the Journey fans who over-analyze every note when somebody - anybody - covers a Journey song.

1. Jeremey does not make his living out of impersonating Perry! He has a full time day job just like the rest of us, Frontiers is a side thing that he does to share his love for this music and keep it alive.

2. Jeremey is not going out of his way to sound exactly like Perry, that is his own natural voice! It doesn't matter what he sings, that is what he sounds like. He can make himself sound like other people, but when he sings naturally, it sounds like Steve Perry.

Deb

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Nothing wrong with emulating your hero - just don't lose your own originality along the way.

Which Soto seems to have down pretty well.

I haven't seen JSS live but the clips I've seen are 100% in agreement with that. The guy's voice is DYNAMIC in every sense of the word.

[Monker]

Unless Andrew decides to kick me off again, I have the ability to reply to anyone I want to.

I thought we delt with this Monker. Do you have unresolved issues? Cause I sure as shit don't want to hear about the time I kicked you off for 12 hours, every second post. That'd be as bad as the 'how I should run the forum' posts.

Tell me you can get past this please!

Please don't bring that conversation public.

My point is that other posters have no control over how I post, or what I reply to. That has nothing to do with what we talked about. As for my post to Rick, he had the mistaken impression that I have been kicked off for a while. I was just correcting his error.

[Monker]

Monker, I am sure you will agree that Journey could never make everybody happy. If they had hired someone who sounds like Perry, they would have been blasted for not being original. So they brought in JSS, and then some people complain that he doesn't sound enough like Perry, or that he is "too hard rock" for Journey. Perry in his prime is the only thing that would make Journey fans 100% happy, and that is impossible, unless you have a time machine. And we all know that only the obscenely wealthy have access to those.

Correct, Journey can't make EVERYBODY happy.

However, bringing in a tribute singer would validate the "he's a Perry clone" claims. Neither Auger, JSS, or CHalfant are Perry 'clones'.

[Monker]

Nothing wrong with emulating your hero - just don't lose your own originality along the way.

Which Soto seems to have down pretty well.

I don't know about that...

The more he puts Perry'isms into his act, the more the Perryheads praise him. Some will say the want the 'originality'...but, I don't quite believe the actions back up those statements.

[NealIsGod]

Nothing wrong with emulating your hero - just don't lose your own originality along the way.

Which Soto seems to have down pretty well.

I don't know about that...

The more he puts Perry'isms into his act, the more the Perryheads praise him. Some will say the want the 'originality'...but, I don't quite believe the actions back up those statements.

Well, Perry was influenced by Sam Cooke, and he inserted "Cookeisms" into his style. What's wrong with Soto, majorly influenced by Perry, doing the same?

[Monker]

Nothing wrong with emulating your hero - just don't lose your own originality along the way.

Which Soto seems to have down pretty well.

I don't know about that...

The more he puts Perry'isms into his act, the more the Perryheads praise him. Some will say the want the 'originality'...but, I don't quite believe the actions back up those statements.

Well, Perry was influenced by Sam Cooke, and he inserted "Cookeisms" into his style. What's wrong with Soto, majorly influenced by Perry, doing the same?

Nothing.

What is 'wrong' is some people who say they want something 'different', but laying the praises down when it goes back to being the 'same'. They don't want JSS to be himself...they want him to be as much like Perry as possible.

[NealIsGod]

Well, Perry was influenced by Sam Cooke, and he inserted "Cookeisms" into his style. What's wrong with Soto, majorly influenced by Perry, doing the same?

Nothing.

What is 'wrong' is some people who say they want something 'different', but laying the praises down when it goes back to being the 'same'. They don't want JSS to be himself...they want him to be as much like Perry as possible.

I do agree with that. People need to pick a side!

[ohsherrie]

Oh, please, the clip that was posted is a Perry impersonator. He makes his $'s by coming as close to Perry's vocals as possible. He's not singing the songs with the same feeling as Perry. He's singing them with the idea of chaneling Perry's voice, his inflections, and hoping the audience closing their eyes and imagine Perry is singing.

Journey would be nuts to hire Jeremy, or Hugo, or anyone else who goes out of their way to sound exactly like Perry....and has made a living out of it. That would make the band look silly.

Jeremy, and Hugo, have great voices...and I would even say Jeremy - based on that clip - has a better voice then Hugo. However, hiring somebody who has gone out of their way to sound (and in Hugo's case, look) EXACTLY like Perry is plain stupid. It was stupid back when Perry left, or was fired, from the band...and it is stupid today.

Chalfant, on the other hand, doesn't NEED to do this. Whether or not he ever sings with Journey is irrelevant. In fact, I wouldn't wish that curse upon hin. If you don't like Chalfant, fine...your loss. He did this CD for HIS fans...not the Journey fans who over-analyze every note when somebody - anybody - covers a Journey song.

1. Jeremey does not make his living out of impersonating Perry! He has a full time day job just like the rest of us, Frontiers is a side thing that he does to share his love for this music and keep it alive.

2. Jeremey is not going out of his way to sound exactly like Perry, that is his own natural voice! It doesn't matter what he sings, that is what he sounds like. He can make himself sound like other people, but when he sings naturally, it sounds like Steve Perry.

Deb

Thanks Deb3,

That's exactly what I was going to say, plus adding that since Monker has never seen Frontiers live he has no idea what a Frontiers show is really like.

I have no problem with people liking Chalfant's or even Hugo's versions of the songs better than Jeremey's. I may not agree with it or understand it, but everyone has a right to their own opinion, so I don't see why Monker (or Joe13 ) wants to get in a snit and question the integrity of my opinion just because it doesn't agree with his. I guess he just likes to argue.

[Red13JoePa]

Screw you, I was the first one on here a year and a half ago to post how good I thought Jeremy's voice was and that it was more perry like than augeri chalfont or hugo's.


And I didn't do that simply to be ahead of the curve when some sort of announcement seemed imminent.

[Perrylover]

Thanks Deb3,

That's exactly what I was going to say, plus adding that since Monker has never seen Frontiers live he has no idea what a Frontiers show is really like.

I have no problem with people liking Chalfant's or even Hugo's versions of the songs better than Jeremey's. I may not agree with it or understand it, but everyone has a right to their own opinion, so I don't see why Monker (or Joe13 ) wants to get in a snit and question the integrity of my opinion just because it doesn't agree with his. I guess he just likes to argue.

I agree Sherri, to each his own. The world would be a pretty boring place if everyone liked the same thing. Personally, I like Hugo on his own stuff, I have some of his cd's, but I don't care for his tribute stuff, his voice is just too thin. I had never heard of either Steve Augeri or Jeff before they became part of Journey, but neither of them really do it for me as far as Journey music goes. That doesn't mean I don't like their voices or their singing, just that I don't care for the way either of them sing Journey music. I would never bash them for grabbing that golden journey ring when it was dangled in front of them, hell, who wouldn't grab it. I think I'll stick with my Journey cd's and Jeremey's interpretations of those songs for now. Maybe when they come out with a new album that Jeff has had creative input on I will change my mind, I'm not closed to that possibility.

Deb

[CatEyes]

Screw you, I was the first one on here a year and a half ago to post how good I thought Jeremy's voice was and that it was more perry like than augeri chalfont or hugo's.


And I didn't do that simply to be ahead of the curve when some sort of announcement seemed imminent.

I really do not want to get into the mix here ..... and am not sure why everyone is fighting.

Red I just want to add a little first-hand info.

I have known Deb for over 5 years ..... and from the first day, she has been supporting Jeremy and touting his skills -
She has travelled with Frontiers and has been part of their family (sorry, Deb if I am stepping out of line here - )

She has promoted Jeremy and the band (individually and collectively) to thousands of fans.

She by no means is a late-comer.

Carry-on.

Cat

[NoMoreTails]

[I have no problem with people liking Chalfant's or even Hugo's versions of the songs better than Jeremey's. I may not agree with it or understand it, but everyone has a right to their own opinion, so I don't see why Monker (or Joe13 wants to get in a snit and question the integrity of my opinion just because it doesn't agree with his.]

Probably because it makes no sense for you to praise a true impersonator of Perry (no offense to Jeremey for doing an effective job that he intends to do, at least he doesn't have to look going too like Hugo) for his perfomance and for putting his own "feeling" into the songs when his intent is to recreate Perry's performance as closely as possible while condemning other singers who just happen to be born with a tone similar to Perry who don't try to replicate every nuance of Perry's performance. It seems like kissing up to Jeremey just as did praising JSS for throwing in Perryisms while condemning SA for only having a similar tone but daring to sing songs Perry recorded, even though he didn't use the Perryisms. I don't have a problem with JSS doing that myself or with Jeremey doing his tribute thing, but it seems to go against what many of you hard core Perry fans seemed to stand for prior to last summer.

[Red13JoePa]

Neither was I talking about Deb, Cat.


No I didn't see Deb E-teabagging JSS online every day and now just ever-so-ready to toss him right under the bus because she knows JH (still a hell of a singer and guy in my book) and is on the inside.

[CatEyes]

Neither was I talking about Deb, Cat.


No I didn't see her E-teabagging JSS online every day and now just ever-so-ready to toss him right under the bus because she knows JH (still a hell of a singer and guy in my book) and is on the inside.

OK sorry Red - it got a little confusing in there for a sec.

Cat

[ohsherrie]

Nothing wrong with emulating your hero - just don't lose your own originality along the way.

Which Soto seems to have down pretty well.

I don't know about that...

The more he puts Perry'isms into his act, the more the Perryheads praise him. Some will say the want the 'originality'...but, I don't quite believe the actions back up those statements.

Well, Perry was influenced by Sam Cooke, and he inserted "Cookeisms" into his style. What's wrong with Soto, majorly influenced by Perry, doing the same?

Nothing.

What is 'wrong' is some people who say they want something 'different', but laying the praises down when it goes back to being the 'same'. They don't want JSS to be himself...they want him to be as much like Perry as possible.

I don't. Here's the thing that some people can't seem to grasp. I don't think ANYBODY sounds just like Perry. I don't WANT anybody to sound just like Perry. I like having the Perry sound be unique. Just because people with similar ranges sing the same melodies that Perry sang and add a few Perryisms to the songs does NOT make them sound like Perry. No two voices are going to sound exactly the same even singing the same notes. That's the difference between a note produced mechanically with an instrument and a note produced by a human voice. Hell, even two identically manufactured instruments don't always sound the same. Adding Perryisms to a live performance of a song doesn't make that performance an impersonation.

Jeff and Jeremey both sound great singing the catalog and put on a hell of a show. Neither of them sounds just like Perry. Jeremey more so than Jeff, but that's because his voice is closer in timbre and he is singing in a tribute band that's trying to give the audience the Journey feeling.

Chalfant's voice sounds good singing the songs, but to me, get that, TO ME, when I listen to them I get the feeling that he's trying to prove he can sound just like Perry singing them. That doesn't sit well with me on a studio CD. If this was a live performance during which he performed the songs I probably wouldn't be as put off by it. I don't see the point in hearing a studio CD of somebody else trying to sound like Perry when I can listen to a studio CD of Perry sounding like Perry. I don't have a problem with the fact that he did it and if his fans enjoy it, that's fine. But I don't have to like it just because they do.

[Red13JoePa]

So really, at the end of the day, the people who came up with the theory that you wacko loons hate Augeri JUST because he had the misfortune of being the first after perry are correct.


Because this "Jeremy sounds like perry without trying but augeri and chalfont sound like perry because they must be TRYING TO sound like perry" BULLSHIT is not washing.