Okay...who knows what?

[jrnysc]

I am hoping they will be playing in front of Targets on Saturday and it will be free including cotton candy and a moon pie.

[NealIsGod]

You shut up and answer your horn. talk about ME, you're harder to get ahold of than the president.

Yup, if Deano was a stock, I'd be buying right now.

[ArnelRox]

You shut up and answer your horn. talk about ME, you're harder to get ahold of than the president.

Yup, if Deano was a stock, I'd be buying right now.

I must be special. I called him & he answered right away. Na na na na na.

[ArnelRox]

I am hoping they will be playing in front of Targets on Saturday and it will be free including cotton candy and a moon pie.

OMG that is funny.

[YoungJRNYfan]

This all sounds pre-meditated to me. They obviously had no intention of allowing Soto to become their 'official' lead singer, but lead him along as they needed him to fix the Augeri/backing tape problem. I think Soto was being played from the beginning. In fact my own spin on things goes back to rumours prior to Soto joining of Journey taking the 'Rock Star - Search for a lead singer route'. Journey are greedy/old//desperate for money and will sell their souls to increase their own bank balance and I heard romours that they were offered a shit load of money to do it. Perfect for pampering their egos too, especially Neal and Jon who were pissed off at Soto taking all the limelight. They are all a bunch of deceitful bastards who deserve to be exposed for the way they have treated Soto. Jeff is one of the nicest guys in the business and they took advantage of that. I hope Jeff seeks legal advice and exposes them all all in court, as that way someone can bring up the subject of backing tapes, which is the very reason why Jeff was brought in, in the first place... to save their asses. Ungrateful bastards.

Sharp and bitter.

For someone to get used, the other person would have to agree on something, and I'm sure JSS was seeing $$$$ as soon as they called him in for the gig for the DL Tour. I agree they probably did JSS wrong, and he IS a nice guy and a great talent and all of that, but to say they fired him because he "stole all the limelight off of them" is completly ridiculous. After all of this fire is done and over with, maybe Journey did the right thing for the band and keep the legacy going to their natural sound whether than going into a different direction. A lot of you said there is NOTHING else for Journey to prove, and they should just retire.

If that is the case, then why would they waste time with JSS and a "new direction" of the band to begin with? Staying with what their doing for years upon years I guess is what works with this band. To them, they see it as, "why risk the chance with JSS and be stuck in a rut if all doesn't pan out."

If the new material wouldn't of went over, then it would have been back to square one anyway. They took the safe way out, and are going with the natural sound for them since the 70-80's.

I guess it's best for them to fire JSS now, rather than 2 years down the road.

Iunno, that's the way I see it.

[Red13JoePa]

I must be special. I called him & he answered right away. Na na na na na.

Well, he's bent at me that I plan to continue being a fan and he's tweaked out over that.

[Behshad]

This all sounds pre-meditated to me. They obviously had no intention of allowing Soto to become their 'official' lead singer, but lead him along as they needed him to fix the Augeri/backing tape problem. I think Soto was being played from the beginning. In fact my own spin on things goes back to rumours prior to Soto joining of Journey taking the 'Rock Star - Search for a lead singer route'. Journey are greedy/old//desperate for money and will sell their souls to increase their own bank balance and I heard romours that they were offered a shit load of money to do it. Perfect for pampering their egos too, especially Neal and Jon who were pissed off at Soto taking all the limelight. They are all a bunch of deceitful bastards who deserve to be exposed for the way they have treated Soto. Jeff is one of the nicest guys in the business and they took advantage of that. I hope Jeff seeks legal advice and exposes them all all in court, as that way someone can bring up the subject of backing tapes, which is the very reason why Jeff was brought in, in the first place... to save their asses. Ungrateful bastards.

Sharp and bitter.

For someone to get used, the other person would have to agree on something, and I'm sure JSS was seeing $$$$ as soon as they called him in for the gig for the DL Tour. I agree they probably did JSS wrong, and he IS a nice guy and a great talent and all of that, but to say they fired him because he "stole all the limelight off of them" is completly ridiculous. After all of this fire is done and over with, maybe Journey did the right thing for the band and keep the legacy going to their natural sound whether than going into a different direction. A lot of you said there is NOTHING else for Journey to prove, and they should just retire.

If that is the case, then why would they waste time with JSS and a "new direction" of the band to begin with? Staying with what their doing for years upon years I guess is what works with this band. To them, they see it as, "why risk the chance with JSS and be stuck in a rut if all doesn't pan out."

If the new material wouldn't of went over, then it would have been back to square one anyway. They took the safe way out, and are going with the natural sound for them since the 70-80's.

I guess it's best for them to fire JSS now, rather than 2 years down the road.

Iunno, that's the way I see it.

Sure money is important, but Jeff isnt materialistic,,,, he didnt join them because of the money.,,, He joined them , because of the same reason he has joined so many different projects the past 25 years, MUSIC,,,,
And of course the money was important to some extent,
he was used because they got him excited about something, when they needed him and then they let go of him once he got the job done and brought them the cash. do you even realize the amount of money it wouldve cost them to cancel last years show!???
The only way they woulve avoided being accused of using Jeff is if they wouldve handled this more maturely OR they wouldve had a ONE YEAR CONRACT with him which would expire July 6th 2007.

[JohnH]

You are so correct. Speculation and let's rip on Schon and Cain bullshit. Nobody knows anything. And maybe we never will, but you know the speculation and BS will never end with some.

It's speculation, but it's fact that JSS really had no idea what was going on until just before we knew. We don't know why, but we do know how poorly it was handled, and for that, Friga and Neal kind of deserve what they're getting (from fans here, at least).

I'm a musician, I completely understand band members not working out, it's life in a band, but there's a mature, professional way to handle it...and there's the Journey way.

I

[YoungJRNYfan]

You are so correct. Speculation and let's rip on Schon and Cain bullshit. Nobody knows anything. And maybe we never will, but you know the speculation and BS will never end with some.

It's speculation, but it's fact that JSS really had no idea what was going on until just before we knew. We don't know why, but we do know how poorly it was handled, and for that, Friga and Neal kind of deserve what they're getting (from fans here, at least).

I'm a musician, I completely understand band members not working out, it's life in a band, but there's a mature, professional way to handle it...and there's the Journey way.

I was just told that JSS read about it on Blabbermouth and Melodicrock. Neal wouldn't return his phone calls and he was left out in the cold. I have a connection to one of JSS's bandmembers.

John, LA, CA

Jesus Christ that is SO COLD man, SO COLD.

[Carlitto H@kk]

I was just told that JSS read about it on Blabbermouth and Melodicrock. Neal wouldn't return his phone calls and he was left out in the cold. I have a connection to one of JSS's bandmembers.

John, LA, CA

Shit, fuck Neal...
According to Jeff and an email I received from him,
NO ONE wil return his calls...
That was tuesday morning.
Since then I've read that Ross has contacted him.

These guys are cold-blooded.
I try not to fault Deen because he
has basically been Neal's Personal Drummer for 20 years
and probably doesn't know any better...

[Escape Artist]

Man, you can tell these idiots have been in a band all their lives, not to make excuses for them but they are social retards!
common courtesy... Jesus!

Legal disclaimer:
No offense to mentally challenged individuals was meant or implied in this post, it was in fact intended just for the two assholes in a band named journey with the initials JC and NS

[Monker]

Monker....

The issue is that unless they come back with Perry......they have lost their grassroot promotion. All of us that went to multiple shows and arranged huge groups to attend and spread the word about the band....we're all done. How are they going to replace their core...AGAIN?

Gee, that's basicaly what I said after Augeri left.

It did not matter who replaced Augeri, something like this was going to happen. I said it from the start. What is going on now is happening a lot sooner then I thought it would - but I knew it would happen eventually.

The post-Perry Journey ended when Augeri left. There was never going to be a "come back" with Jeff, or anyone else...and there never will be. Journey is on a down hill run, and have been since the anniversary tour.

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality. All they want is their concert revenue.

[Lora]

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality.

Reality? The reality is we care about each other, so all this "whining" is not irrelevant. When people are in pain, it helps them to talk about it with others who feel the same way.

[Crazie Scarab]

Monker....

The issue is that unless they come back with Perry......they have lost their grassroot promotion. All of us that went to multiple shows and arranged huge groups to attend and spread the word about the band....we're all done. How are they going to replace their core...AGAIN?

Gee, that's basicaly what I said after Augeri left.

It did not matter who replaced Augeri, something like this was going to happen. I said it from the start. What is going on now is happening a lot sooner then I thought it would - but I knew it would happen eventually.

The post-Perry Journey ended when Augeri left. There was never going to be a "come back" with Jeff, or anyone else...and there never will be. Journey is on a down hill run, and have been since the anniversary tour.

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality. All they want is their concert revenue.

All I wanna know is how the hell do you always get back on forums you've been banned from?

[JrnyScarab]

Journey is on a down hill run, and have been since the anniversary tour.

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality. All they want is their concert revenue.

Down hill run? Maybe now they are, but it seems they got glowing reviews with Jeff and the energy and excitement was infectious. Ticket sales were great and they were all set to blast into the future with something new and different and then they decided to trip and fall down the hill and ruin it.

As far as not caring about their fans and just the concert revenue I agree now.

[piecesofeight]

While I agree that Deen and his wife are cool peeps, he is a grown man. Whatever you want to say, actions speak louder than words and you are the company you keep.
There's also such a thing as principles. He is choosing to stay with them, even if he's not involved in the bullshit.
Shit, your kid hangs out with a bunch of kids who beat up on kids, even if your kid touches no one, what does that say about him for still hanging with this sort of group?

[cookieduster]

While I agree that Deen and his wife are cool peeps, he is a grown man. Whatever you want to say, actions speak louder than words and you are the company you keep.
There's also such a thing as principles. He is choosing to stay with them, even if he's not involved in the bullshit.
Shit, your kid hangs out with a bunch of kids who beat up on kids, even if your kid touches no one, what does that say about him for still hanging with this sort of group?

What?! you would quit your job because your co-worker got fired? we aren't talking about working for minimum wage here, this is a career. you cannot be serious!

[ohsherrie]

The post-Perry Journey ended when Augeri left. There was never going to be a "come back" with Jeff, or anyone else...and there never will be. Journey is on a down hill run, and have been since the anniversary tour.

There was never a post-Perry Journey Monker. There may have been with Jeff, but they wouldn't let that happen. Neal's and Jon's egos wouldn't let that happen.

The fact is that Journey needs a strong frontman because the Journey that all the hits are known for was built on the frontman. People can applaud Neal's guitar, Jon's keys, Ross's bass and Smitty's or Deen's drums to kingdom come, but they aren't what Journey was famous for. It was the frontman.

Neither Neal nor Jon is going to allow another frontman to dominate. That's why they hired a weak link like Augeri and ironically also why they ultimately had to get rid of him.

Jeff isn't weak. In fact he's so strong that he made them afraid they might be overshadowed again. He had to go. The guy singing can't be too weak to take the abuse, but he can't be so strong that he gets all the applause. Neal and Jon must be scratching their heads(or something) trying to come up with a way to keep milking the legacy without depending on the strength of a REAL frontman. ("Gee Butthead what do we do now?" "I don't know Beavis, I guess we just fuck ourselves again.")

If they think Jeremey is some weak patsy I'm afraid they're about to be fooled again.

[Monker]

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality.

Reality? The reality is we care about each other, so all this "whining" is not irrelevant. When people are in pain, it helps them to talk about it with others who feel the same way.

My point is that it is irrelevant to JOURNEY. They are not going to look at these forums and think, "Uh, oh, look what they're saying...we need to hire Perry/Augeri/JSS back!" They made their decision, and I doubt VERY much Journey is going to change thier minds because of a few dozen fans on the internet.

I would not say fans caring about each other is irrelevant.

BTW, could you answer a question on the mailing list about why the Force and SPIN closed down? Someone is saying they closed as part of the deal to get the TBF reunion going...That doesn't make sense to me because I thought the Force ended prior to TBF, and SPIN lasted well into the recording of TBF?

[Monker]

All I wanna know is how the hell do you always get back on forums you've been banned from?

Not commenting on that...that's between me and Andrew.

[Monker]

Journey is on a down hill run, and have been since the anniversary tour.

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality. All they want is their concert revenue.

Down hill run? Maybe now they are, but it seems they got glowing reviews with Jeff and the energy and excitement was infectious. Ticket sales were great and they were all set to blast into the future with something new and different and then they decided to trip and fall down the hill and ruin it.

And, they caused chaos in the fanbase by the way they handled the exit of Augeri as well. The 'glowing reviews' were stained by long-time fans just dropping the band and leaving without a trace.

For me anyway, it goes back before that...All they cared about was touring and making money. Making new music was an after thought - and it seems it still is. It seems to me that all of the inspriation, excitement, and good vibes that JSS brought with him could not overcome that. Like I have said, the problems in Journey did not exit with Augeri...they are still there.

As far as not caring about their fans and just the concert revenue I agree now.

Sometimes it seems I'm two or three years ahead of everybody.

[Monker]

While I agree that Deen and his wife are cool peeps, he is a grown man. Whatever you want to say, actions speak louder than words and you are the company you keep.
There's also such a thing as principles. He is choosing to stay with them, even if he's not involved in the bullshit.
Shit, your kid hangs out with a bunch of kids who beat up on kids, even if your kid touches no one, what does that say about him for still hanging with this sort of group?

It says that Deen has steady work and very good pay check. I wonder how many people on this forum have to put up with BS at work and stay there for the very same reason. And, as far as I can tell...he loves performing the music.

[ohsherrie]

All I wanna know is how the hell do you always get back on forums you've been banned from?

Not commenting on that...that's between me and Andrew.

It's 'cause he's not really the dumb asshole he comes across as sometimes.

[tammy]

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality.

Reality? The reality is we care about each other, so all this "whining" is not irrelevant. When people are in pain, it helps them to talk about it with others who feel the same way.

My point is that it is irrelevant to JOURNEY. They are not going to look at these forums and think, "Uh, oh, look what they're saying...we need to hire Perry/Augeri/JSS back!" They made their decision, and I doubt VERY much Journey is going to change thier minds because of a few dozen fans on the internet.

I would not say fans caring about each other is irrelevant.

BTW, could you answer a question on the mailing list about why the Force and SPIN closed down? Someone is saying they closed as part of the deal to get the TBF reunion going...That doesn't make sense to me because I thought the Force ended prior to TBF, and SPIN lasted well into the recording of TBF?

You don't think they know or read these forums - their families do? What about when some of us balked at the idea of re-recording the Classics? Funny, how they then decided not to.
Of course, I don't think they are greatly influenced by our opinion & would not go back & re-hire Jeff...

[Monker]

There was never a post-Perry Journey Monker.

No, there was never a post-Perry Journey for YOU.

The fact is that Journey needs a strong frontman because the Journey that all the hits are known for was built on the frontman. People can applaud Neal's guitar, Jon's keys, Ross's bass and Smitty's or Deen's drums to kingdom come, but they aren't what Journey was famous for. It was the frontman.

You're wrong. It was the SONGS. That is what Jonathan understands and said in that interview where he mentions the legacy.

Jeff isn't weak.

He's also not "Journey". That's been a problem from the beginning. Every direction he turned he had to convince somebody he was the right guy for the job.

In fact he's so strong that he made them afraid they might be overshadowed again.

Sure, that's why the band has done nothing but praise JSS for his live performances. I have never read a single critique from the band about how JSS fronted the band in concert. Overshadowed? YOU GUYS are the people who not too long ago were saying how much of a band they were again. Neal agreed in the interviews from a month or so ago. JSS overshadowed nobody...In fact, I would say he brought others into the spotlight, as it should be.

You're just making things up.

He had to go.

Correct. JSS had to go...or Jonathan, or Ross, or Deen...Cuz, it was not looking very much like Journey anymore. I could not see this band holding itself together. One side wanting to stay true to their past, and Neal wanting to move into a completely different direction. That was the conflict - and it looks like Neal lost the vote.

The guy singing can't be too weak to take the abuse, but he can't be so strong that he gets all the applause. Neal and Jon must be scratching their heads(or something) trying to come up with a way to keep milking the legacy without depending on the strength of a REAL frontman. ("Gee Butthead what do we do now?" "I don't know Beavis, I guess we just fuck ourselves again.")

If they think Jeremey is some weak patsy I'm afraid they're about to be fooled again.

The guy singing has to sound like Journey...JSS wasn't it. Obviously, whatever songwriting they did after the tour did not convince the rest of the band. The only one sold this entire time was Neal.

As for Jeremy...if they hire him, they are going to turn Journey into laughing stock. Any tribute singer will not last to a second tour. What a joke that will be....and that is not a critique towards Jeremy either.

[Monker]

All I wanna know is how the hell do you always get back on forums you've been banned from?

Not commenting on that...that's between me and Andrew.

It's 'cause he's not really the dumb asshole he comes across as sometimes.

Hey, don't be calling Andrew names like that!

[Monker]

All of this whining by a few dozen fans is irrelevant. They don't care about you, and they haven't for about five years. You are all just getting caught up with reality.

Reality? The reality is we care about each other, so all this "whining" is not irrelevant. When people are in pain, it helps them to talk about it with others who feel the same way.

My point is that it is irrelevant to JOURNEY. They are not going to look at these forums and think, "Uh, oh, look what they're saying...we need to hire Perry/Augeri/JSS back!" They made their decision, and I doubt VERY much Journey is going to change thier minds because of a few dozen fans on the internet.

I would not say fans caring about each other is irrelevant.

BTW, could you answer a question on the mailing list about why the Force and SPIN closed down? Someone is saying they closed as part of the deal to get the TBF reunion going...That doesn't make sense to me because I thought the Force ended prior to TBF, and SPIN lasted well into the recording of TBF?

You don't think they know or read these forums - their families do? What about when some of us balked at the idea of re-recording the Classics? Funny, how they then decided not to.
Of course, I don't think they are greatly influenced by our opinion & would not go back & re-hire Jeff...

Sorry, but I think there is a bit of a difference between recording an album and hiring and firing members of the band.

[FormerJrnyFan]

I am hoping they will be playing in front of Targets on Saturday...

I wish they were the targets...

[ohsherrie]

Geez Monker, I don't have the energy to quote every quote you quoted of my post and respond with quotes from the quotes in your post. I said what I thought and you said what you thought about what I thought. I think you're full of shit and you think I'm full of shit and we've both known this about each other for a shitload of years. So, g'nite to ya asshole.

[piecesofeight]

While I agree that Deen and his wife are cool peeps, he is a grown man. Whatever you want to say, actions speak louder than words and you are the company you keep.
There's also such a thing as principles. He is choosing to stay with them, even if he's not involved in the bullshit.
Shit, your kid hangs out with a bunch of kids who beat up on kids, even if your kid touches no one, what does that say about him for still hanging with this sort of group?

It says that Deen has steady work and very good pay check. I wonder how many people on this forum have to put up with BS at work and stay there for the very same reason. And, as far as I can tell...he loves performing the music.

It just sounds a little like selling out. Putting up with bs is one thing, but staying with a company that treats people like shit is another.
All I am saying, is that by staying, you are not totally innocent.