IMAGINE....No more Journey FOREVER

[sindee67]

To me it's all quite straightforward. If I continue to support Journey in the future they are getting away scot-free with their unforgiveable behaviour towards JSS. It's not enough to say "well o.k. that was shit what you did but I'll still buy your records and still go to your shows". The only way to let people of their sort know that they've screwed up is to give them as much bad publicity as possible and cut off the cash cow.

If in my real life, if someone I thought of as a friend treated another friend as badly as they have done JSS I would cut them out of my life, even if they hadn't done anything to me personally. I don't want those kind of people in my real life and nor do I want to be a fan of those kind of people in the bands I support.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

So why is it different now than it was when Steve Perry left, or when Augeri left? Everybody was saying all the same shit, but nowhere near as many were "jumping overboard" and walking away from the band that held the soundtrack to their lives.

Deb

I can't speak for everybody, but, it seems JOURNEY changes lead singers like underwear! We're sick of it.

[KCfla]

To me it's all quite straightforward. If I continue to support Journey in the future they are getting away scot-free with their unforgiveable behaviour towards JSS. It's not enough to say "well o.k. that was shit what you did but I'll still buy your records and still go to your shows". The only way to let people of their sort know that they've screwed up is to give them as much bad publicity as possible and cut off the cash cow.

If in my real life, if someone I thought of as a friend treated another friend as badly as they have done JSS I would cut them out of my life, even if they hadn't done anything to me personally. I don't want those kind of people in my real life and nor do I want to be a fan of those kind of people in the bands I support.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

Yeah- what she said^^

I'm sorry- but I can't condone what they did to Jeff. I can't agree to support people that are this hard-hearted and cruel. Life is too short to deal with assholes.

If they had "kept" him as a temp. replacement, if they hadn't announced him as the "new lead singer" JUST MONTHS AGO I would probably feel differently. But that is not the case- and I think they really screwed up BIG TIME!

And as for all the talk about what they did to SA- well, he couldn't do the job could he? His voice was GONE! So they had to replace him- unless they wanted to be up to their collective asses in lawsuits for the next 5 years! I truly hope that Steve A's voice comes back. And that he can go on without them. But situation is TOTALLY different ( in my eyes anyway) to the CRAP that has happened to Jeff.

( and don't even bring Steve P. into this- he walked away on his own 2 feet. Doesn't even compare!)

[joybringer1]

To me it's all quite straightforward. If I continue to support Journey in the future they are getting away scot-free with their unforgiveable behaviour towards JSS. It's not enough to say "well o.k. that was shit what you did but I'll still buy your records and still go to your shows". The only way to let people of their sort know that they've screwed up is to give them as much bad publicity as possible and cut off the cash cow.

If in my real life, if someone I thought of as a friend treated another friend as badly as they have done JSS I would cut them out of my life, even if they hadn't done anything to me personally. I don't want those kind of people in my real life and nor do I want to be a fan of those kind of people in the bands I support.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

So why is it different now than it was when Steve Perry left, or when Augeri left? Everybody was saying all the same shit, but nowhere near as many were "jumping overboard" and walking away from the band that held the soundtrack to their lives.

Deb

I'm in the UK and a fairly new fan so I knew nothing about Steve Perry leaving (although I've heard plenty since!!) and only came on board around Tapegate, after being conned during the short UK tour of 2006. I certainly stood up and was counted then, I was a regular irate poster to Deano's Escape To Tape blog (Ann McLaren).

Anyway Deb, if you can't see the difference between this and the other times - I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain it to you. Perhaps someone else can be bothered.

[ohsherrie]

So why is it different now than it was when Steve Perry left, or when Augeri left? Everybody was saying all the same shit, but nowhere near as many were "jumping overboard" and walking away from the band that held the soundtrack to their lives.

Deb

For some of us I think it's because we never thought we could care about a Journey without Steve Perry but found that we really liked Jeff. We felt like he'd given Journey back to us. Now it's like they've taken it away from us again. They betrayed us by luring us in with a taste of something that we really liked, and now they've taken it away.

[KCfla]

So why is it different now than it was when Steve Perry left, or when Augeri left? Everybody was saying all the same shit, but nowhere near as many were "jumping overboard" and walking away from the band that held the soundtrack to their lives.

Deb

See my post above or:

1.Steve P.- He walked away. Himself. Didn't see Neil and Jon run right out and replace him did you? No- because they held out hope he'd change his mind. He didn't- but they certainly didn't "throw him under the bus" by any means.

2.Steve A.- His voice was toast. Couldn't sing without MAJOR tape help. They were on tour- what would you have them do? Back out and be up to their butts in lawyers and such? No, of course not! They did what they had to do, and brought Jeff in. Which leads me to....

3- JSS- Now, as I said above- IF they had kept him as "temporary help". IF they had not announced ( look on the official site news section- the annoucement is still there funny enough!) him as NEW LEAD SINGER, I doubt very seriously that the reactions right now would be nearly as severe. Because promises would not have been made. Plans would have not been announced. Hopes would not have been there.

But they did- and then while Jeff was OUT OF THE COUNTRY turned around and stabbed him in his back. Without rhyme, reason, or finesse. Talk about rude, mean, inconciderate, childish behavior!

1- Sad, but understandable
2- Sad, but once again understandable
3- WRONG, WRONG, DAMNED WRONG!

Get it now Deb??????

[T-TIME]

To me it's all quite straightforward. If I continue to support Journey in the future they are getting away scot-free with their unforgiveable behaviour towards JSS. It's not enough to say "well o.k. that was shit what you did but I'll still buy your records and still go to your shows". The only way to let people of their sort know that they've screwed up is to give them as much bad publicity as possible and cut off the cash cow.

If in my real life, if someone I thought of as a friend treated another friend as badly as they have done JSS I would cut them out of my life, even if they hadn't done anything to me personally. I don't want those kind of people in my real life and nor do I want to be a fan of those kind of people in the bands I support.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

So why is it different now than it was when Steve Perry left, or when Augeri left? Everybody was saying all the same shit, but nowhere near as many were "jumping overboard" and walking away from the band that held the soundtrack to their lives.

Deb

noone is jumping anywhere. they just love the drama. it makes them feel apart of something. they'll keep writing if journey wins another grammy. some of these post are so deep. change the forum to "freudrock.com"

[Little Lenny]

To me it's all quite straightforward. If I continue to support Journey in the future they are getting away scot-free with their unforgiveable behaviour towards JSS. It's not enough to say "well o.k. that was shit what you did but I'll still buy your records and still go to your shows". The only way to let people of their sort know that they've screwed up is to give them as much bad publicity as possible and cut off the cash cow.

If in my real life, if someone I thought of as a friend treated another friend as badly as they have done JSS I would cut them out of my life, even if they hadn't done anything to me personally. I don't want those kind of people in my real life and nor do I want to be a fan of those kind of people in the bands I support.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

HI Joybringer nice to see someone form ARfm!! Like I said on another thread despite creativity, talent etc it's the way in which it was done. Not good.

[ArnelRox]

noone is jumping anywhere. they just love the drama. it makes them feel apart of something. they'll keep writing if journey wins another grammy. some of these post are so deep. change the forum to "freudrock.com"

WRONG! I'm upset & voicing that amongst my friends here. But u wont see me supporting Journey again.

FYI smarty pants Journey NEVER won a grammy, they were nominated for one. U think they'll get nominated for another? Ha ha ha. W/what? The new album they will never do?

Maybe u should go see Freud or one of his practitioners.

[Little Lenny]

To me it's all quite straightforward. If I continue to support Journey in the future they are getting away scot-free with their unforgiveable behaviour towards JSS. It's not enough to say "well o.k. that was shit what you did but I'll still buy your records and still go to your shows". The only way to let people of their sort know that they've screwed up is to give them as much bad publicity as possible and cut off the cash cow.

If in my real life, if someone I thought of as a friend treated another friend as badly as they have done JSS I would cut them out of my life, even if they hadn't done anything to me personally. I don't want those kind of people in my real life and nor do I want to be a fan of those kind of people in the bands I support.

Sometimes you have to stand up and be counted.

So why is it different now than it was when Steve Perry left, or when Augeri left? Everybody was saying all the same shit, but nowhere near as many were "jumping overboard" and walking away from the band that held the soundtrack to their lives.

Deb

I'm in the UK and a fairly new fan so I knew nothing about Steve Perry leaving (although I've heard plenty since!!) and only came on board around Tapegate, after being conned during the short UK tour of 2006. I certainly stood up and was counted then, I was a regular irate poster to Deano's Escape To Tape blog (Ann McLaren).

Anyway Deb, if you can't see the difference between this and the other times - I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain it to you. Perhaps someone else can be bothered.

ERmmm...Well i think if im right UncleHEFty explains it quite well on another thread, I believe it is called it called The Reality re.Soto...It's pretty straight forward really. The way in which they change their front men leaves a lot to be desired, AKA bad business practice. and Joybringer is right, sometimes you need to stand up and be counted.

[styxman]

Hey LL, welcome.......How's the rain in your area...Yorkshire's been hit pretty bad, ain't it

[Little Lenny]

Hey LL, welcome.......How's the rain in your area...Yorkshire's been hit pretty bad, ain't it

Hi there! Yep the rain has been bad, we were flooded out allover K-u-H ( HULL) ...insome places roads were impassable...oops I hope I wrote that right!! Thank you for the welcome. So where are you based? if you don't mind me asking, I take it you have not had rain like us in the East Riding?

[styxman]

Hey LL, welcome.......How's the rain in your area...Yorkshire's been hit pretty bad, ain't it

Hi there! Yep the rain has been bad, we were flooded out allover K-u-H ( HULL) ...insome places roads were impassable...oops I hope I wrote that right!! Thank you for the welcome. So where are you based? if you don't mind me asking, I take it you have not had rain like us in the East Riding?

I'm based in God's own country Scotland but born and raised in that stupid place called Wales I bet you've got Black Sheep and Old Perculiar on draught there...lucky you
As for Rain, it never stops up here, but the Scots being tight fisted as they are make sure it channels into the resevoirs and not houses They then turn it into the drink of life...and with any luck I'll be havin' a few tonight

[Little Lenny]

Hey LL, welcome.......How's the rain in your area...Yorkshire's been hit pretty bad, ain't it

Hi there! Yep the rain has been bad, we were flooded out allover K-u-H ( HULL) ...insome places roads were impassable...oops I hope I wrote that right!! Thank you for the welcome. So where are you based? if you don't mind me asking, I take it you have not had rain like us in the East Riding?

I'm based in God's own country Scotland but born and raised in that stupid place called Wales I bet you've got Black Sheep and Old Perculiar on draught there...lucky you
As for Rain, it never stops up here, but the Scots being tight fisted as they are make sure it channels into the resevoirs and not houses They then turn it into the drink of life...and with any luck I'll be havin' a few tonight

AHA! I Lived in Scotalnd once upon a time too! Love the place, My son is a Scot. I lived in Helensburgh. And I don't mind a drop of the old water of life myself I ahve a glenlivet 21 yr old in the cupboard right now... my Partner Shaggy is crazy about the place too...

[ArnelRox]

I'm based in God's own country Scotland but born and raised in that stupid place called Wales

Isnt it considered sacrilege for a Welshman to turn Scot? U should have ur ass in the mines, my boy. This is sickening.

[Little Lenny]

I'm based in God's own country Scotland but born and raised in that stupid place called Wales

Isnt it considered sacrilege for a Welshman to turn Scot? U should have ur ass in the mines, my boy. This is sickening.

Ermmmm that leaves me in a position I have Irsh, welsh and English blood. And my 3 kids are Devon, Strathclyde and Yorkshire....

[styxman]

I'm based in God's own country Scotland but born and raised in that stupid place called Wales

Isnt it considered sacrilege for a Welshman to turn Scot? U should have ur ass in the mines, my boy. This is sickening.

My parents sent me down the mines as a 4yr old, I've done my time Rox. I just look at the scenery now and drink, drink some more and basically just don't stop drinking...Scotland's my kinda place.

Lenny...Helensbrough, that's where all the posh people and footballers live...you must be minted girl I live just outside Ayr, not to far from that poet who couldn't spell for his life....Burns I think he's called

[Pelata]

In a perfect world, they'd tune down a step & a half, beg Perry for a Farewell Tour, THEN go away forever.

[styxman]

In a perfect world, they'd tune down a step & a half, beg Perry for a Farewell Tour, THEN go away forever.

That's exactly the way it should happen....I'm 100% with you on that statement

[Saint John]

In a perfect world, they'd tune down a step & a half, beg Perry for a Farewell Tour, THEN go away forever.

Perry wouldn't need ANYTHING "tuned down.' Trust me.

[styxman]

our posts cross..gently we pass like strangers in the night

[Rockindeano]

In a perfect world, they'd tune down a step & a half, beg Perry for a Farewell Tour, THEN go away forever.

Perry wouldn't need ANYTHING "tuned down.' Trust me.

You are so fuckin stupid.

Yes, he most definitely would need a half step down.

[styxman]

In a perfect world, they'd tune down a step & a half, beg Perry for a Farewell Tour, THEN go away forever.

Perry wouldn't need ANYTHING "tuned down.' Trust me.

You are so fuckin stupid.

Yes, he most definitely would need a half step down.

I'm glad you said that, not me

[Little Lenny]

I'm based in God's own country Scotland but born and raised in that stupid place called Wales

Isnt it considered sacrilege for a Welshman to turn Scot? U should have ur ass in the mines, my boy. This is sickening.

My parents sent me down the mines as a 4yr old, I've done my time Rox. I just look at the scenery now and drink, drink some more and basically just don't stop drinking...Scotland's my kinda place.

Lenny...Helensbrough, that's where all the posh people and footballers live...you must be minted girl I live just outside Ayr, not to far from that poet who couldn't spell for his life....Burns I think he's called

LOL I wish I was minted, maybe if I get commisioned to do a painting for somebody with plenty of dosh eh?!!
Burns is one of my favourite poets amongst others. I've not been to Ayr, been to Ballantrae and Stranraer and a few other placesetc...It's usually further up that I go when I visit, Loch Earn, tyndrum, Ballindalloch...just a bit further along the way...

[wildchildtwisted]

"IMAGINE....No more Journey FOREVER"

i am starting to.

[conversationpc]

In a perfect world, they'd tune down a step & a half, beg Perry for a Farewell Tour, THEN go away forever.

Perry wouldn't need ANYTHING "tuned down.' Trust me.

You are so fuckin stupid.

Yes, he most definitely would need a half step down.

Without going back to listen to some of those FTLOSM boots, weren't some of those tunes tuned down/transposed? If that was the case 12 years ago, why would it be any different, if not more so, now?

[Pelata]

In a perfect world, they'd tune down a step & a half, beg Perry for a Farewell Tour, THEN go away forever.

Perry wouldn't need ANYTHING "tuned down.' Trust me.

You are so fuckin stupid.

Yes, he most definitely would need a half step down.

Without going back to listen to some of those FTLOSM boots, weren't some of those tunes tuned down/transposed? If that was the case 12 years ago, why would it be any different, if not more so, now?

Exactly. For him to do 'Wheel...' or 'Don't Stop...' or anything pre-TBF, they would have to tune down OR he'd have to sing it an octave lower all over...he's not getting anywhere near those old high notes.

[RockInDetroit]

Friga is 57. Neal is only 53. I agree with the original post 100%.

The new Night Ranger album blows.

They weren't that great live a few weeks ago, either.

I love Night Ranger. Just saw Shaw Blades - Outstanding!

Blades just tours with Night Ranger cauase the rest of the lot need him. Neverland was an excellent comeback.

The last 2 have been total shit.

I disagree with you guys on Night Ranger. The new cd is awesome. I did hear that live their last couple shows have not been as good. You can not go on firing original members and replacing them with members from other bands and hope to have that chemistry.

I agree with the original post too. I think that many here have overracted.

[Arkansas]

Americans are so spoiled by Journey being here all the time. We live vicariously through their drama.
What if Journey did move camp to Europe? They'd still be playing, and the American online fans would get their wish. The band would go away, so to speak. They could play all their greatest hits over there and Europe would eat it up.

I maintain that if you want the band to go away, then just ignore them. (If you don't like what's on TV, then turn it off!) Dump all your albums in the trash and stop frequenting the boards & blogs. It really is that simple.

I've often wondered if the fact that there have been hundreds of Journey posts in the past week, somehow strengthens their position. Obviously we care about them, otherwise we wouldn't be here online. If we really wanted to 'punish' the band for some perceived wrong doing, then we'd completely ignore them. Posts and blogs would be zero. Only then, would the band realize that they're no longer relevant.

I bet Journey are loving every bit of this controversy that we've kept alive so far. And I bet they're laughing all the way to the bank with every album they still sell.
Shame on us, no?


later~

[ohsherrie]

Americans are so spoiled by Journey being here all the time. We live vicariously through their drama.
What if Journey did move camp to Europe? They'd still be playing, and the American online fans would get their wish. The band would go away, so to speak. They could play all their greatest hits over there and Europe would eat it up.

I maintain that if you want the band to go away, then just ignore them. (If you don't like what's on TV, then turn it off!) Dump all your albums in the trash and stop frequenting the boards & blogs. It really is that simple.

I've often wondered if the fact that there have been hundreds of Journey posts in the past week, somehow strengthens their position. Obviously we care about them, otherwise we wouldn't be here online. If we really wanted to 'punish' the band for some perceived wrong doing, then we'd completely ignore them. Posts and blogs would be zero. Only then, would the band realize that they're no longer relevant.

I bet Journey are loving every bit of this controversy that we've kept alive so far. And I bet they're laughing all the way to the bank with every album they still sell.
Shame on us, no?


later~

You make a good point. An excellent point in fact.

If we didn't care we wouldn't be here. We've been here all along through all the other bullshit they've pulled.

Most of the fans stayed, and in fact many more came on board when Cain replaced Rollie.

Most of the fans waited for three years and stayed after Smitty and Ross were fired from ROR.

Even the Perry fans who have stayed Perryonly fans have stayed involved long after Perry's departure with no real reason to hope he'll ever return.

Most of the Augeri fans who were so furious when they got rid of him have stuck around keeping BT humming.

Let's face it, most of us are going to continue to be interested after this latest betrayal. They know that and all the threats in the world aren't going to worry them much.

Even if the ones that are saying they're giving up on Journey now do it, and deny themselves the entertainment they obviously get from posting on these boards, it won't make any impact because overall it'll be such a small percentage of their ticket buying base.

[Scarab Pilot]

IMAGINE....No more Journey FOREVER.

It easy, if you try.

Actually - we're already there.