most underrated journey song?

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:01 am

brywool wrote: Another one that drives me nuts is "Castles Burning". I love the song, but they hit that end riff wayyyyy too many times.

the riff with the echo that goes and goes.. :lol:

by **jrnysc** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:01 am

What? No one has mentioned Butterfly yet! :lol:

by **brywool** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:06 am

Don't kill me, but I have NO problem with Butterfly OR BELIEVE!

Yeah, I know, I just lost my membership to the cool club. I'll be out on the flag pole hanging by my underwear...

I actually think that they did a lot of stuff with Butterfly that they hadn't done before. Different chord structures, lots of cool acoustic guitar work. Believe reminds me of The Beatles "I've Got a Feeling" which is another favorite tune.

Shit, I have to hide, Deeno and his goons will be looking to wack me now!

SACRILEGE!!

by **larryfromnextdoor** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:08 am

jrnysc wrote:What? No one has mentioned Butterfly yet!

that whole butterfly argument was weak to me,, yea its not a great song,,
its not a terrible song either,,
but bands have leaders and hire producers to make the call on what
goes on an album...
members write 20 songs plus lots of unfinished
pieces and bring them to the recording studio,, someitmes you write a
song and think its good,, but it sucks ,, thats why the producer is paid,, cull
out the weak songs and replace them with songs that the writer didnt even know had a chance,,
neal was off with soul sirkus,, he didnt care,, the producer didnt care to
make a well produced album , nor did he care to make it the best journey
album ever,,,
some of the drums are weak sounding,, ross' vocals are unintellible,, ect ect...
... butterfly could have been a B-side track ,,

by **jrnysc** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:09 am

brywool wrote:Don't kill me, but I have NO problem with Butterfly OR BELIEVE!

Yeah, I know, I just lost my membership to the cool club. I'll be out on the flag pole hanging by my underwear...

I actually think that they did a lot of stuff with Butterfly that they hadn't done before. Different chord structures, lots of cool acoustic guitar work. Believe reminds me of The Beatles "I've Got a Feeling" which is another favorite tune.

Shit, I have to hide, Deeno and his goons will be looking to wack me now!

SACRILEGE!!

Don't fret. I like it, too!!

by **Socratic Methodist** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:12 am

brywool wrote:Don't kill me, but I have NO problem with Butterfly OR BELIEVE!

Yeah, I know, I just lost my membership to the cool club. I'll be out on the flag pole hanging by my underwear...

I actually think that they did a lot of stuff with Butterfly that they hadn't done before. Different chord structures, lots of cool acoustic guitar work. Believe reminds me of The Beatles "I've Got a Feeling" which is another favorite tune.

Shit, I have to hide, Deeno and his goons will be looking to wack me now!

SACRILEGE!!

I like the music in Butterfly....But the vocals are a bit weak. The whole time I was listening to it, I was thinking of it sounding like a SEAL song. I always thought SA voice was too weak to be in Journey.....well, let me modify that. Arrival was a great CD....but Red13, and Generations - I'll pass.

Ok...put 'em up. Who's gonna flame me, or tell me to go back to BT? C'mon, you know you want to..... :lol:

by **brywool** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:15 am

Socratic Methodist wrote:
brywool wrote:Don't kill me, but I have NO problem with Butterfly OR BELIEVE!

Yeah, I know, I just lost my membership to the cool club. I'll be out on the flag pole hanging by my underwear...

I actually think that they did a lot of stuff with Butterfly that they hadn't done before. Different chord structures, lots of cool acoustic guitar work. Believe reminds me of The Beatles "I've Got a Feeling" which is another favorite tune.

Shit, I have to hide, Deeno and his goons will be looking to wack me now!

SACRILEGE!!

I like the music in Butterfly....But the vocals are a bit weak. The whole time I was listening to it, I was thinking of it sounding like a SEAL song. I always thought SA voice was too weak to be in Journey.....well, let me modify that. Arrival was a great CD....but Red13, and Generations - I'll pass.

Ok...put 'em up. Who's gonna flame me, or tell me to go back to BT? C'mon, you know you want to.....

Hmm. I think Seal's a good singer, and yeah, the song is a bit like Seal. I think Augeri's voice was great for Journey and have nothing but good to say about him, tapegate aside. I DO think that the vocal track for Butterfly could've been reworked a little bit, but it doesn't kill the track for me.

by **brywool** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 1:59 am

Oh yeah... KNOWING THAT YOU LOVE ME is the best Journey ballad since Open Arms.

by **RJ45** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:23 am

I am not sure what the criteria is for underrated, so I will stick to non-singles that rarely gets played at concerts? (ie. Escape gets played at every concert but never was a single, I believe.)

Infinity: La Do Da
Evolution: Sweet and Simple
Departure: I'm Cryin'
Escape: Lay it Down (Perry hits some sick notes that would make my voice crack like a 13 year old boy if I even tried)
Frontiers: Frontiers
Raised on Radio: Raised On Radio
Trial By Fire: Castles Burning (Aside from the last minute of the song where it gets kind of annoying and repetitive. If they cut that out, this would be one of the best)
Arrival: Signs of Life (First Augeri song I decided to randomly listened to, and I loved it)
Generations: Never Too Late (The bonus track is probably the best song on the album)

by **conversationpc** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:29 am

brywool wrote:Don't kill me, but I have NO problem with Butterfly OR BELIEVE!

I think most here shun "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" simply because of the title. It must not be "manly" enough. :lol:

I really like that song and "Believe" as well.

by **Red13JoePa** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:52 am

conversationpc wrote:
brywool wrote:Don't kill me, but I have NO problem with Butterfly OR BELIEVE!

I think most here shun "Butterfly (She Flies Alone)" simply because of the title. It must not be "manly" enough.

I really like that song and "Believe" as well.

Agreed.
Drop the main part of the title of B (SFA) and make the paranthasese part the title and you have a song called She Flies Alone, and ergo far less of a sitting duck for mockery. I remain a fan of that and Believe and to piggyback off Brywool's KTYLM point, though I don't like ballads that may be the best performance Augeri ever gave on a ballad. Unbelievable vocal.

by **matt_man000** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 3:51 am

Natural Thing

by **Todd H** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:01 am

La Raza Del Sol

by **ProgRocker53** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:01 am

Far and away, it's either "Of a Lifetime" or "Look Into the Future."

The fact that they're not even mentioned among the most underrated songs, when less than 15% of most Journey fans know about them, is enough to make them massively underrated.

Those two songs especially, and anything off the first three albums.

Those two songs are sprawling, epic, grandiose prog-rock masterpieces.... I LOVE them.

OH-- and "One More." GOD, that song kicks some big meaty ass. And "Troubled Child." AND "Winds of March." Okay, I'm getting hot and bothered.

by **xflajrnylvr** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 4:03 am

ProgRocker53 wrote:Far and away, it's either "Of a Lifetime" or "Look Into the Future."

The fact that they're not even mentioned among the most underrated songs, when less than 15% of most Journey fans know about them, is enough to make them massively underrated.

Those two songs especially, and anything off the first three albums.

Those two songs are sprawling, epic, grandiose prog-rock masterpieces.... I LOVE them.

OH-- and "One More." GOD, that song kicks some big meaty ass. And "Troubled Child." AND "Winds of March." Okay, I'm getting hot and bothered.

Love of a lifetime great ot hear on the 30th anniversary tour and then Jeff doing Winds of March was great to hear too

by **SteveForever** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:03 am

Todd H wrote:La Raza Del Sol

I like this one too, would have loved to hear Jeff sing it in concert-he did not at the concerts I was at. I listen to this song alot.

by **NealIsGod** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:07 am

Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

by **Rick** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:09 am

NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

WTF? Where have you been dude?

by **NealIsGod** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:10 am

Rick wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

WTF? Where have you been dude?

Laying on the beach drinking Captain Morgan.

by **Moon Beam** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:10 am

NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

Watch the pouncing upon you as we see your return...... :lol:

, you and the family have a good time?

by **Moon Beam** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:11 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Laying on the beach drinking Captain Morgan.

BITCH!!!!! :lol:

by **Rick** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:12 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Rick wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

WTF? Where have you been dude?

Laying on the beach drinking Captain Morgan.

I won't say who it was, but someone said they hoped your ass got sunburned.

I hope you had a good time bro.

by **NealIsGod** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:17 am

Moon Beam wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

Watch the pouncing upon you as we see your return...... , you and the family have a good time?

Yeah, we did. I don't wanna hijack the thread, tho. Glad to see I was missed. Wasn't gone that long!

by **mikemarrs** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:41 am

rubicon off frontiers was always a very rockin' tune.

by **brywool** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:01 am

NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

THE single most underrated and underheard Journey Track. WINNER.

by **Moon Beam** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:05 am

brywool wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

THE single most underrated and underheard Journey Track. WINNER.

What about Something To Hide guys?

I love Little Girl but the note he hits on STH is a feeling I can't tell you of here...... :lol:

by **heardonthestreet** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:16 am

Moon Beam wrote:
brywool wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

THE single most underrated and underheard Journey Track. WINNER.

What about Something To Hide guys?

I love Little Girl but the note he hits on STH is a feeling I can't tell you of here......

You got that right Moonbeam. Pure Perry note.

by **lidobar** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 10:34 am

Liberty was a great tune.

by **Ms_M** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:06 am

I like the way RJ45 set the post up, so I'm going to borrow it... (Hope you don't mind!) I, too, am not sure of what constitutes underrated. The song Escape, as previously mentioned, not a single, but people loved it live. Does that make it underrated? Who knows?! Anyway, here's my list:

Infinity: Winds of March
Evolution: Sweet and Simple
Departure: I'm Cryin'
Escape: Escape and Mother, Father
Frontiers: Frontiers and Rubicon
Raised on Radio: Happy to Give and It Could've Been You
Time 3: Liberty
Trial By Fire: Easy to Fall and TBF
Arrival: Pick one... Higher Place, To Be Alive Again, and Kiss Me Softly
Remember Me could've done well with better placement in "Armageddon". Don't really have any pics off Red 13 or Generations.

Very interesting topic.

by **Moose** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:27 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Rick wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:Little Girl. Amazing song. Neal and Perry rip your heart out in that song.

WTF? Where have you been dude?

Laying on the beach drinking Captain Morgan.

Bastard! lol

MR

most underrated journey song?

Liberty

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