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Postby X factor » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:27 am

tragchk wrote:
X factor wrote:Sigh....so many unanswered questions...I need a drink...is it 5 oclock yet? Somewhere???


Actually, right now it's 11 PM ~ in Rome. 8)

This is an interesting argument, that really boils down to a philosophical question: What exactly DOES the artist owe his/her fanbase? Is it fair to say "I've done my hitch- now leave me alone in peace?" Or if, as in the case with SP, there is a legion of fans begging for more, do you oblige?


Well, speaking for myself ~ and I'm NOWHERE NEAR Steve Perry ~

Music is something that's practically DNA, IMO....you just can't stop doing it.....and I've tried....and was MISERABLE...

Isn't it a proper thing to thank the folks that put you where you are today IF you are able to do it at the same level? Personally, I dunno. I can't understand a performer NOT wanting to perform ever again. Almost 60? So's Springsteen, and he's in one of the most prolific phases of his career. So's Sammy Hagar-So's Steve Tyler-So's Paul Stanley... Hell, Jagger is WAY past that! And I don't buy the "Well their voices aren't as good as SP...blah blah blah..." Maybe not, but they are still out there doing it at a very high level and giving their fans what they want.


Yes; you've hit the nail on the head.....but, in regards to SP: IMO he HIMSELF set the standards so high, I really think HE'S afraid that he's not at that level anymore! (ie: high notes, etc.)

But like I stated in another thread ~ :arrow: go with the Low, Man....work your (present) strength.

But, perhaps it is a question with no real answer. It's also true that the man gave his fans many great years of music. Maybe he, like almost EVERY other band from that era, realizes that the muse is gone, an anything new they tried to create would be a a pale shadow of their former glory (STYX? Kiss? REO? Bueller... anyone...Bueller??).


Yeah, but it's not "Your Grandmother's 50/60 Year-Olds" ~ today, this age group is still VERY visible....Boomers.


Good points all, Nora... (It is Nora, right? I'm slowly picking up a few real names)

The BOOMERS are very visible, and as Gene Simmons once said "They'll have to take me away kicking and screaming..."
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Postby TRAGChick » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:32 am

X factor wrote:Good points all, Nora... (It is Nora, right? I'm slowly picking up a few real names)


Yes, it is....thanx!! :mrgreen:

The BOOMERS are very visible, and as Gene Simmons once said "They'll have to take me away kicking and screaming..."


Well, I can't believe I'm gonna type this but:

IMO, they are the last bastion of Songwriters.....
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Postby X factor » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:50 am

tragchk wrote:
X factor wrote:Good points all, Nora... (It is Nora, right? I'm slowly picking up a few real names)


Yes, it is....thanx!! :mrgreen:

The BOOMERS are very visible, and as Gene Simmons once said "They'll have to take me away kicking and screaming..."


Well, I can't believe I'm gonna type this but:

IMO, they are the last bastion of Songwriters.....


Maybe. I dunno...I'm in that "just post Boomer " category myself, and I think there are some pretty good writers in that group (Bono, Michael Stipe, Matthew Sweet, etc) but you're right. Most of the really great ones are of that generation...darn them!
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Postby TRAGChick » Sat Jun 23, 2007 5:53 am

X factor wrote:
tragchk wrote:
X factor wrote:Good points all, Nora... (It is Nora, right? I'm slowly picking up a few real names)


Yes, it is....thanx!! :mrgreen:

The BOOMERS are very visible, and as Gene Simmons once said "They'll have to take me away kicking and screaming..."


Well, I can't believe I'm gonna type this but:

IMO, they are the last bastion of Songwriters.....


Maybe. I dunno...I'm in that "just post Boomer " category myself, and I think there are some pretty good writers in that group (Bono, Michael Stipe, Matthew Sweet, etc) but you're right. Most of the really great ones are of that generation...darn them!


:oops: Yeah you're right!

Mid to late 40s :arrow: Boomers....

Howzat? 8)
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:16 am

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brandonpfn wrote:God dammit Steve!! No Perry? No Smith?, No Journey. Thanks for letting us know what you are NOT going to do, can you tell us what you ARE going to do? Tired of waiting...dammit!! Get off your ass and sing again...man! *sigh*. Just seems like a selfish waste, all these years....


Wait wait wait a minute, he isn't doing what you want him to do so that makes HIM selfish?
I'm seriously sick of reading all the griping about how he won't "tell us" what he's going to do. Why should he?


Sorry to hear my opinion is getting lumped into the 'Espy gripe-collective'...




Well, sorry, but your opinion got lumped into the gripe-collective because you did, in fact, gripe about him.


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but counter point to yours...I suppose you want him to sit on his ass and play with his pussy, rather than make new music? I seriously wonder what it would take (a friggen act of god (no, another one besides Perry) for him to record and perform again...someone needs to slap some sense into him. This is bs...


To be totally honest, I don't care what he sits around playing with all day. That's his bid'ness.
If he is done making new music, then he's done. And not that he particularly cares about my feelings on the matter, but I'm okay with it. I can live without it and I can live without him answering the almighty question of is he going to record and when and why won't he, and all of that. If he does do something... GREAT! If he doesn't then he just doesn't.

It's like people think that because he is one of the best, if not THE best, singers rock ever had, that he should just automatically continue doing it. Does the man himself not get a choice in the matter?


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Did we need the Escape DVD?



Well, wait a minute there - yes, THAT we did need. :lol: And we still need one from Departure and ROR too.
But that's another matter. :lol:

But, to say I'm owed anything would be ridiculous and I fail to see the logic in it with those who DO say that.
If you paid for a CD, and you in fact recieived a CD, then you got what you paid for. In no way does such a purchase entitle us to future entertainment, except from that which comes from replaying said CD.
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Postby brandonx76 » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:24 am

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brandonpfn wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
brandonpfn wrote:God dammit Steve!! No Perry? No Smith?, No Journey. Thanks for letting us know what you are NOT going to do, can you tell us what you ARE going to do? Tired of waiting...dammit!! Get off your ass and sing again...man! *sigh*. Just seems like a selfish waste, all these years....


Wait wait wait a minute, he isn't doing what you want him to do so that makes HIM selfish?
I'm seriously sick of reading all the griping about how he won't "tell us" what he's going to do. Why should he?


Bluejeangirl76 (76? are we the same age?!?) Sorry to hear my opinion is getting lumped into the 'Espy gripe-collective'...but counter point to yours...I suppose you want him to sit on his ass and play with his pussy, rather than make new music? I seriously wonder what it would take (a friggen act of god (no, another one besides Perry) for him to record and perform again...someone needs to slap some sense into him. This is bs...



While I want to hear Steve sing and would love to know what he's up to, it's his f'n business. Exactly, just because he's not telling you anything/what you want to hear or not doing what you want he is selfish? What, because you supported him and purchased what he was involved with, for the rest of his life he owes you something? He must continue to sing and let you know what he is up to?
Get off his ass!? You have no idea what he's been up to and what he's doing with his life. Time has not stood still for him. You have no idea what he's doing with his life or what he wants to do..and it's none of your business. Not as if he's one of these stupid stars today who puts themselves out there stupidly everyday almost making it our business what they've been up to.
Given the fact that he's lead a recluse life and stayed out of the bullshit, I respect that. Does that mean that I don't think he was part of some of the bullshit, and always will be by association-no.
Damn, of course I want him to be doing something, but to make statements, about someone you want to hear from so badly, like "you want him to sit on his ass and play with his pussy?", is just downright absurd and mean.
Time stands sill for us, and we almost expect these people to be like they used to be when they left, and when they aren't, we are on them for that too.
While I get your frustration, for what he gave us, I don't think he deserves they sort of remarks. You think these sort of remarks are what's going to make him do what you want?
He has a right to do whatever he wants with his life. I am thankful to have what he gave us. What, you want him to do stuff until he sucks, then you can say he stayed in it to long?


Hahaha...just had to play devil's advocate for all the suck-ups. And IN CASE anyone didn't get the joke, I was referring to the picture of Steve and his cat that was posted on here not too long. No, to pretty much all of your retorts...Think of an artist you may know that has commited suicide. It is selfesh they take themselves out like that, especially to any immediate family they may have, but also to the fans and the human collective.. I certainly don't wish Mr. Perry dead, but he might as well be, musically.

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Postby brandonx76 » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:26 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote: And we still need one from Departure and ROR too.


Don't forget a Frontiers show...
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