Time to move on ?

[SteveForever]

Nice post Marty! Music plays a part of our lives, no doubt. Yet to see a few people get so emotionally upset and enraged by the decisions of a band that hatred is spewed to anyone that does not decide to go with the grain is beyond belief.

Jeff is a big boy and can take care of himself. No doubt he was blessed to be able to join Journey for a brief time and sing the music that had some type of meaning to him and fans alike. I'm sure he learned a huge lesson in the events that occurred and will know what to look out for in the future. He will forever be known as extremely fan friendly and classy in the music industry and that is something that a great deal of performers can not admit too. He has helped create some wonderful memories for some of you. Hold on to that instead of raging against anyone else. There is a scarey amount of hatred being dished out on these message boards and it is truly sad.

If you are tired of Journey - there are so many other artists out there that have just as good, if not better music to offer!

Peace to all~

Plus its out there forever for all to see.....

[strangegrey]

Marty,

I see your point (OP) and I understand and respect it. However, personally, I'm not ready to forgive and forget...and anyone that surfs on over to TJF can see I'm harboring alot of angst over this. I've temporarily renamed the board, as most of you have seen, so that people have an outlet to really let out the angst (and maybe get a point across to some folk in San Francisco).

See, I might be in the minority here...but I really think this entropy of Journey and it's legacy has been a long-term process...stretching back as far as Arrival. It's my fact-based deduction that Journey, after the 2001 tour, felt content with simply touring the dirty dozen to death while squeezing every last dime out of loyal hardworking fans. (and what makes it worse is some of these fans refuse to see the fact that they are being bent over and taken to the cleaners) You may not have noticed this across the pond, but Journey started playng some real shitholes after 01. It got worse and worse, until one summer, there wasn't even a venue on long island that they could play, which resulted in no stop on LI for that year. When that well was dry, they moved onto the fans of other bands. Styx, REO, Def Leppard. Anyone they can latch onto to continue this scraping of the bottom of the proverbial barrel.

Even though I initially did *not* like JSS in the band as I felt his voice wasn't right....I very quickly saw the light. I saw a band finally ready to pull out of this 'scrape the bottom of the barrel' mentality....and actually move forward with new music and a new direction. As we all know, that was all bullshit...and the rest is as you say, history.

I suspect when I come out of the other end of this frustration, I will feel nothing for Journey. I've seen them do the Dirty Dozen show, literally dozens of times...I don't need to see it again. I was a kid in the candy store in 2001, when arrival was released. It was new (and ROCKING) music from my favorite band....but it really does seem like that album was the last gasp from a band that couldn't put anything together with quality, post Arrival.

I also find it downright disturbing that all of my favorite bands can't look past the petty bullshit that stirs in their bowels. Between Journey and Van Halen (my two favorite bands)...I have nothing to look forward to...because both bands have been literally ripped from the inside out with petty infighting...largely instigated by guitarists that can't look past their collosal egos.


So there's two emotions conflicting here within me. One is that I'm not ready to move on...and along with alot of other people...we wont take kindly to people suggesting that we do, until WE work out the process in our own way.

The other emotion is pure apathy....when I'm done being pissed, I'll be done, for good. I'll move onto a band/artist that DOES care about their fans and DOES care about making music. JSS will get my support...Kevin CHalfant will get my support...Jack Blades and Night Ranger will get it...Winger will get it....I will support bands that are about making new music and moving forward.

Because when the perpetrators of this style of music simply are content to do the 'Chicago and Earth Wind Fire thing'....which is to just tour their greatest hits to death....this music will die a slow death. I can't afford to see that happen yet. I'm too invested in my love for AOR/Melodic/Hard Rock for me to support a band that refuses to do the music justice!

[CatEyes]

There is a natural process to grieving

Really? Who died?

Grieving is not just for death.

Humans go through a "grieving" process anytime there is a change in their lives that effects them greatly - mostly from a feeling of loss and loss of control over the events of their lives.

It can be the loss of a job - it can be a divorce - it can be illness - moving to a new city

And this compares to those things?

To some fans it might ...... even tho it doesn't to you.

So NIG I am not going to spar with you over this. I made my post and defined it for you.

No sparring, just trying to show that many people take it way too seriously. Not saying you do.

Ok - sorry and thanks

Cat

[conversationpc]

See, I might be in the minority here...but I really think this entropy of Journey and it's legacy has been a long-term process...stretching back as far as Arrival. It's my fact-based deduction that Journey, after the 2001 tour, felt content with simply touring the dirty dozen to death while squeezing every last dime out of loyal hardworking fans.

Agreed. I remember hearing comments from Neal about being frustrated that people would head for the restrooms or to get a beer when they played the new stuff. I haven't heard those kinds of comments very often, if at all, since then.

[larryfromnextdoor]

hey marty,, your a level headed man,, even though your out so much cash with all those pics... i hope they
at least treat you well...

[Wally_Hatchet]

I’ve been closely following all the forums (MR, JRUK, JourneyForums, JSS Forum, MR Noticeboard etc etc) and they all are pretty much universally condemning Journey’s recent actions.

Add Metal Sludge to that list. ^

[ArnelRox]

Marty, ur posts are very nicely put & u sound like a very sane, levelheaded man. I think that b/c of ur affiliation w/the band (thru ur wonderful photography), it may be easier for u to just let go & move forward at this point. For me, & I believe several others here, we still feel wounded & as Cat said, in grief, & we still need to go thru the process (sorry Niggy, but we each require different amounts of time to go thru the process & yes, it is GRIEF). A bunch of people on this forum are already moving on & welcoming the next incarnation of Journey. Others have moved on & stopped posting as they are done w/Journey. Then there are some of us who are still in some shock & denial 2 weeks later. We're still pretty angry.

Some of us had personal contact w/Jeff, some more so than others & we came to love & respect the man, not just for his talents, but for the wonderful fan-friendly person he is. We'd never had that level of contact w/a Journey frontman before & it's just hard for us to let go. I now understand why some of the Augeri fans were so deeply wounded last year. They had similar feelings for Augeri. Not to minimize what they went thru in any way, but at least they had quite a bit of time to grieve before the "official" announcement. By the time it came, most pretty much knew. Some others were shocked but they had more than 2 weeks to vent on one part of BT. Some were even still venting about it on BT when this happened w/Jeff! They got 6 mths from the official announcement. Surely u must realize that we've only had 2 weeks!

Jeff being removed from the band was shocking & extremely sudden. Just a month ago, we heard about the new album from Jeff himself right here on this forum. Suddenly, he's gone from the band. We need more time to get over this. 2 weeks is simply not enough. MR, TJF & The Annex are allowing us to get our feelings out. For that, I'm grateful.

Perhaps it seems very stupid & childish to some that we are taking this personally. This is, after all, just a band. We've invested a lot in this band over the years & gone out of our way to support them w/lead singer changes in the past. We now feel betrayed. I feel stupid in many ways for buying into the whole "recharged Journey" bit. We've also formed friendships here w/other members & we need to support each other in this grief & anger we're experiencing. As I said, IMHO 2 weeks is not long enough. If we're still doing this 3 months from now, then we probably need to get a life. Right now, the wounds are still too fresh. But please dont rush us.

Thanks again for ur thoughts tho.

[separate_wayz]

For the record, I’ve never held Journey, or any other band, up as anything other than talented musicians. That way I’m not as disappointed if they let me down at a personal level.

Marty

There's a lot of good commentary in your posts, Marty. Like you, I've never put public figures (politicians, atheletes, musicians) on a pedestal, so I'm not crushed when they fail.

I guess for me, as for others, the operative word is "disappointment". For some people it manifests itself as bitterness. For me, I think it reveals itself as disinterest. I've simply lost a lot of interest in what the band will do -- tour, CD, whatever. No bitterness -- just a lot less interest in this particular set entertainers.

And that's what they are, isn't it? Entertainers? And if part of the entertainment (for me at least) was the anticipation of hearing new music (or new anything), then I simply say "adios" and find new ways to grab my attention (and money, fyi) to entertain me. No harm, no foul -- but also no interest.

[NealIsGod]

Nice post, Susie. I won't rush you.





Are you over it now?













How about now?

[ArnelRox]

Oh how could I EVER live w/out u dearest Niggy. U make me laugh so hard.

But no, keep trying

Nice post, Susie. I won't rush you.





Are you over it now?













How about now?

[jrnysc]

Marty. Nice post. I posted on this last week, and perhaps didn't lay it out like I meant to. I still have issues with the situation, but as has been beaten into the ground. We will probably never know. It all just seems so odd. I have also questioned where does my allegiance lie? I can tell you my allegiance lies with THE TRUTH. That is all. What truthfully happened here.
I think about a lot of things, and possibilities here, ane why it may be the way it is. I find it odd for anyone to be fired and have NO idea why. Do we know that to be fact? No. What do we know? That some who have 'inside' contact with Jeff have said it's so, and defended Jeff against any and everyone. I think about other things. What else would people who know Jeff say? If you rat him out, you have lost a rockstar friend. No, they are not gonna do that, even if they too know why this occured. Fact is, NONE of us know what happened, why, and probably never will. Why did I apologize to the band? Because I have absolutely TRASHED them, without proper knowledge I did not have, nor could I because I wasn't directly involved.
Who is to say Jeff didn't know EXACTLY why he was fired, and that the band and management figured since they were all adults, and he had been spoken to before, nothing else needed to be said? Or perhaps Jeff thought Journey needed him so desperately that he could do anything he wanted without consequence, only to find out he thought wrong. Once again. I don't know.
Then again, Journey may be the cruel hateful people they have been described to be, selling Jeff out for no good reason. Once again, and just my opinion, that seems incredibly odd, with the reviews and fan reaction they received with him in the band. I will agree the way it was handled was not right, but we don't know the CIRCUMSTANCES around what happened to begin with, that got the ball rolling. As for what kind of people they are. Perhaps none of them are good people, and then again perhaps all of them are good people. Lastly, I dunno.
What I do know is I have enjoyed this band and their music for almost 24 years, and have spent a great deal of money on them over the years. What we all have to ask ourselves is do we go see Journey live again, or do we truly give up hope because of what they may or may not have done to Jeff, and put them in our memory. I don't think anyone has, or we would not still be here discussing them, now would we. Take care. Mark

[ArnelRox]

What else would people who know Jeff say? If you rat him out, you have lost a rockstar friend. No, they are not gonna do that, even if they too know why this occured.

The only flaw in that logic is why would Brian May & Marcel Jacob care if they lost a rockstar friend? Brian May is a HUGE star. Surely he had NOTHING to gain by writing his blog saying that Jeff didnt know anything about it. U did read that blog, right?

I will agree the way it was handled was not right, but we don't know the CIRCUMSTANCES around what happened to begin with, that got the ball rolling.

Unfortunately Jeff doesnt know the circumstances himself. Why do I believe this to be true? B/c Brian May & Marcel Jacob said so in their blogs. They're not fans on a message board. They're rockstars. If u havent yet read their blogs, u really should. Then form ur conclusions. Maybe u will have the same ones as u do now. Maybe not.

[jrnysc]

What else would people who know Jeff say? If you rat him out, you have lost a rockstar friend. No, they are not gonna do that, even if they too know why this occured.

The only flaw in that logic is why would Brian May & Marcel Jacob care if they lost a rockstar friend? Brian May is a HUGE star. Surely he had NOTHING to gain by writing his blog saying that Jeff didnt know anything about it. U did read that blog, right?

I will agree the way it was handled was not right, but we don't know the CIRCUMSTANCES around what happened to begin with, that got the ball rolling.

Unfortunately Jeff doesnt know the circumstances himself. Why do I believe this to be true? B/c Brian May & Marcel Jacob said so in their blogs. They're not fans on a message board. They're rockstars. If u havent yet read their blogs, u really should. Then form ur conclusions. Maybe u will have the same ones as u do now. Maybe not.

Hey there, and thank you for the response. Yes, I have read them both, and still have the same opinion. Here is my logic for that conclusion. They know Jeff IMO for his reputation and personality in the business, if not personally. He has a great name in the business, and has certainly earned that IMO. Problem there is, I seriously doubt they know the other side of the story. When you only know one side, nor neither side, common sense tells me your going to defend the one you know/like best. You would have to know both sides TRUTHFULLY to make an HONEST judgement. I took it Brian's comments were based more on how it happened, not exactly what happened, as he probably doesn't know for sure. There again, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, nor the other way around. Just telling my thoughts and thought process on the whole mess.

[MCC620]

What else would people who know Jeff say? If you rat him out, you have lost a rockstar friend. No, they are not gonna do that, even if they too know why this occured.

The only flaw in that logic is why would Brian May & Marcel Jacob care if they lost a rockstar friend? Brian May is a HUGE star. Surely he had NOTHING to gain by writing his blog saying that Jeff didnt know anything about it. U did read that blog, right?

I will agree the way it was handled was not right, but we don't know the CIRCUMSTANCES around what happened to begin with, that got the ball rolling.

Unfortunately Jeff doesnt know the circumstances himself. Why do I believe this to be true? B/c Brian May & Marcel Jacob said so in their blogs. They're not fans on a message board. They're rockstars. If u havent yet read their blogs, u really should. Then form ur conclusions. Maybe u will have the same ones as u do now. Maybe not.

Hey there, and thank you for the response. Yes, I have read them both, and still have the same opinion. Here is my logic for that conclusion. They know Jeff IMO for his reputation and personality in the business, if not personally. He has a great name in the business, and has certainly earned that IMO. Problem there is, I seriously doubt they know the other side of the story. When you only know one side, nor neither side, common sense tells me your going to defend the one you know/like best. You would have to know both sides TRUTHFULLY to make an HONEST judgement. I took it Brian's comments were based more on how it happened, not exactly what happened, as he probably doesn't know for sure. There again, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, nor the other way around. Just telling my thoughts and thought process on the whole mess.

I find it highly unlikely that Brian May, who has a huge reputation of his own to consider, would get involved in making any comments on Jeff's behalf, just because he likes him better.

I think the fact that a peer of Journey's would comment on his blog about such a matter, is very telling of how old and tired this game of theirs really is.

[ArnelRox]

Fair enough. At least u read them.

Marcel was in Europe w/Jeff when a lot of this strangeness was going on tho. I think he witnessed some of it & saw Jeff not understanding what was going on. At least that's the impression I got from his blog. As Jeff's good friend, I would expect him to side w/Jeff. It just seemed he was more upset that no one explained the problem to Jeff. Brian May said in his blog that he was good friends w/Neal. While I doubt he asked Neal about this, he obviously knew Jeff wasnt aware of what he did that got him fired.

I don't think we're going to get an answer from Journey about what went wrong, if something even did. But it really seems to me that Jeff didnt get one either. Maybe something did go wrong in the band's opinion, but dont u think they should have at least told Jeff about it? Many of my friends have been fired from jobs & they were always told why. I was fired once myself & they told me it was b/c of my absences due to a medical condition. I accepted that. If they hadnt told me I would have been bugged beyond belief.

Let me ask u this. If u got fired & no one gave u a reason, how would u feel? Wouldnt u sit there racking ur brain trying to figure out what u could possibly have done? If u came to the conclusion that u hadnt done anything, how would that make u feel?

Not trying to be confrontational here. Just throwing out some thoughts & hoping u respond.

Hey there, and thank you for the response. Yes, I have read them both, and still have the same opinion. Here is my logic for that conclusion. They know Jeff IMO for his reputation and personality in the business, if not personally. He has a great name in the business, and has certainly earned that IMO. Problem there is, I seriously doubt they know the other side of the story. When you only know one side, nor neither side, common sense tells me your going to defend the one you know/like best. You would have to know both sides TRUTHFULLY to make an HONEST judgement. I took it Brian's comments were based more on how it happened, not exactly what happened, as he probably doesn't know for sure. There again, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, nor the other way around. Just telling my thoughts and thought process on the whole mess.

[nutz4Neal]

GREAT post, Marty, and I couldn't agree with you more. The continued hateful comments just amaze me..hate for anyone is not a good thing in my book; and haboring hate is not good for your health.

I guess what confuses me the most is that none of us know the entire story and yet so many think they do and continue to make such hate filled post without hearing both sides.

Frustrating that we'll most likely never know exactly what happened, but such is life. We may not approve of band decissions, but it is what it is - band decissions concerning their careers.

[jrnysc]

Fair enough. At least u read them.

Marcel was in Europe w/Jeff when a lot of this strangeness was going on tho. I think he witnessed some of it & saw Jeff not understanding what was going on. At least that's the impression I got from his blog. As Jeff's good friend, I would expect him to side w/Jeff. It just seemed he was more upset that no one explained the problem to Jeff. Brian May said in his blog that he was good friends w/Neal. While I doubt he asked Neal about this, he obviously knew Jeff wasnt aware of what he did that got him fired.

I don't think we're going to get an answer from Journey about what went wrong, if something even did. But it really seems to me that Jeff didnt get one either. Maybe something did go wrong in the band's opinion, but dont u think they should have at least told Jeff about it? Many of my friends have been fired from jobs & they were always told why. I was fired once myself & they told me it was b/c of my absences due to a medical condition. I accepted that. If they hadnt told me I would have been bugged beyond belief.

Let me ask u this. If u got fired & no one gave u a reason, how would u feel? Wouldnt u sit there racking ur brain trying to figure out what u could possibly have done? If u came to the conclusion that u hadnt done anything, how would that make u feel?

Not trying to be confrontational here. Just throwing out some thoughts & hoping u respond.

Hey there, and thank you for the response. Yes, I have read them both, and still have the same opinion. Here is my logic for that conclusion. They know Jeff IMO for his reputation and personality in the business, if not personally. He has a great name in the business, and has certainly earned that IMO. Problem there is, I seriously doubt they know the other side of the story. When you only know one side, nor neither side, common sense tells me your going to defend the one you know/like best. You would have to know both sides TRUTHFULLY to make an HONEST judgement. I took it Brian's comments were based more on how it happened, not exactly what happened, as he probably doesn't know for sure. There again, I'm not saying I'm right and you're wrong, nor the other way around. Just telling my thoughts and thought process on the whole mess.

No. I don't think your being confrontational at all. This is the kind of discussion I enjoy. I have ALWAYS said and still do it was rotten the way it was handled. I was just saying isn't it POSSIBLE Jeff knows more than he is saying. Even if they didn't come right out and tell him, possibly he can put two and two together. It was even said on the blog Neal had been making some statements to him like "this ain't Van Halen". What did that mean? I'm not sure, but I bet Jeff sure did. Perhaps it's something embarrassing, that he doesn't want anyone to know.

[ArnelRox]

Thank u for discussing, not getting angry. Ur good people!

Isnt it also possible that Jeff didnt understand that comment made by Neal at all? Could it be that it came out of nowhere & left Jeff wondering WTF? Could it have been said in jealousy b/c suddenly Jeff was getting ALL the attention? Reading a lot of the media reports on last yr's tour, it seemed most were raving about Jeff & saying things like he was bringing a "new generation" to Journey (a pun on the last album name of course), that he lit up the stage & was a powerful frontman. Someone said in Europe, the band stopped going to the M&Gs except for Jeff.

Could it be that Neal was annoyed that Jeff was stealing the limelight from Neal (who considers Journey "his" band), perhaps in the same way that Perry did? Jeff was just doing what he's always done. He has always, thruout his career communicated w/his fans. But maybe Neal didnt realize it would be the same w/Journey & didnt like it too much. Isnt that also possible? Food for thought.

No. I don't think your being confrontational at all. This is the kind of discussion I enjoy. I have ALWAYS said and still do it was rotten the way it was handled. I was just saying isn't it POSSIBLE Jeff knows more than he is saying. Even if they didn't come right out and tell him, possibly he can put two and two together. It was even said on the blog Neal had been making some statements to him like "this ain't Van Halen". What did that mean? I'm not sure, but I bet Jeff sure did. Perhaps it's something embarrassing, that he doesn't want anyone to know.

[jrnysc]

Thank u for discussing, not getting angry. Ur good people!

Isnt it also possible that Jeff didnt understand that comment made by Neal at all? Could it be that it came out of nowhere & left Jeff wondering WTF? Could it have been said in jealousy b/c suddenly Jeff was getting ALL the attention? Reading a lot of the media reports on last yr's tour, it seemed most were raving about Jeff & saying things like he was bringing a "new generation" to Journey (a pun on the last album name of course), that he lit up the stage & was a powerful frontman. Someone said in Europe, the band stopped going to the M&Gs except for Jeff.

Could it be that Neal was annoyed that Jeff was stealing the limelight from Neal (who considers Journey "his" band), perhaps in the same way that Perry did? Jeff was just doing what he's always done. He has always, thruout his career communicated w/his fans. But maybe Neal didnt realize it would be the same w/Journey & didnt like it too much. Isnt that also possible? Food for thought.

No. I don't think your being confrontational at all. This is the kind of discussion I enjoy. I have ALWAYS said and still do it was rotten the way it was handled. I was just saying isn't it POSSIBLE Jeff knows more than he is saying. Even if they didn't come right out and tell him, possibly he can put two and two together. It was even said on the blog Neal had been making some statements to him like "this ain't Van Halen". What did that mean? I'm not sure, but I bet Jeff sure did. Perhaps it's something embarrassing, that he doesn't want anyone to know.

Yes. Every single thing you said is possible. See what I mean? There are SO many possibilities, and quite possibly PART of all of them are true. But the entire story is still cloudy. I just don't want to 'crucify' anyone unfairly.

[Deb]

Yes. Every single thing you said is possible. See what I mean? There are SO many possibilities, and quite possibly PART of all of them are true. But the entire story is still cloudy. I just don't want to 'crucify' anyone unfairly.

Ok, now you're just sounding much too level-headed for this place. Quick, get out while you can!

[jrnysc]

Yes. Every single thing you said is possible. See what I mean? There are SO many possibilities, and quite possibly PART of all of them are true. But the entire story is still cloudy. I just don't want to 'crucify' anyone unfairly.

Ok, now you're just sounding much too level-headed for this place. Quick, get out while you can!

I have a major budget argument to present in less than two hours. Getting my A game on!!

[ArnelRox]

I totally understand where ur coming from. Again, I go back to what has been said by people who know Jeff personally, esp. Brian May, who just would not write what he did if he didnt absolutely believe it. Based on that alone, I believe Jeff had NO clue why he was let go. For that, I crucify & don't believe it's unfair. Maybe I'm just FAR more of a judgmental unforgiving person than u.

On the other hand, if Neal, Jon, Ross & Deen would like to come out w/their side of the story, or have a celebrity friend do it on a blog, I'll read it. Somehow, I think that's unlikely.

Yes. Every single thing you said is possible. See what I mean? There are SO many possibilities, and quite possibly PART of all of them are true. But the entire story is still cloudy. I just don't want to 'crucify' anyone unfairly.

[jrnysc]

I totally understand where ur coming from. Again, I go back to what has been said by people who know Jeff personally, esp. Brian May, who just would not write what he did if he didnt absolutely believe it. Based on that alone, I believe Jeff had NO clue why he was let go. For that, I crucify & don't believe it's unfair. Maybe I'm just FAR more of a judgmental unforgiving person than u.

On the other hand, if Neal, Jon, Ross & Deen would like to come out w/their side of the story, or have a celebrity friend do it on a blog, I'll read it. Somehow, I think that's unlikely.

Yes. Every single thing you said is possible. See what I mean? There are SO many possibilities, and quite possibly PART of all of them are true. But the entire story is still cloudy. I just don't want to 'crucify' anyone unfairly.

I totally understand you as well. My only point is once again Brian probably heard what Jeff said about the situation. Probably has not heard from anyone in the band or management. I will never condone the way it was handled, nor would I ever handle a situation in that manner. I guess I can also understand Journey feeling they don't have to tell anyone why they fired him, just like I would not tell my other employees nor anyone else, except close friends, why I fired somebody, God forbid I ever have too.

[Deb]

On the other hand, if Neal, Jon, Ross & Deen would like to come out w/their side of the story, or have a celebrity friend do it on a blog, I'll read it. Somehow, I think that's unlikely.

I'm thinking your right. It's not like Jeff got his celebrity friend Brian to say something, he probably just did it because that is who he is. I don't see too many celebrity and/or friends coming out of the wood work speaking too highly of Schon/Cain right now.

[ArnelRox]

I guess I can also understand Journey feeling they don't have to tell anyone why they fired him, just like I would not tell my other employees nor anyone else, except close friends, why I fired somebody, God forbid I ever have too.

But the real question is: would u tell the employee u were firing the reason?

[jrnysc]

As for someone else posting for them, there were a couple of very strange posts on the blog a few days ago, that disappeared before I could get back and read them again. They were to the point, matter of fact, and pointed several fingers. Could it have been someone from BT? Sure. Was it? People can claim what they will, I still have no idea who they were. All I can tell you is someone didn't want anyone to see them.

[jrnysc]

I guess I can also understand Journey feeling they don't have to tell anyone why they fired him, just like I would not tell my other employees nor anyone else, except close friends, why I fired somebody, God forbid I ever have too.

But the real question is: would u tell the employee u were firing the reason?

I would. Absolutely there would be no misunderstanding there. That is why I have said a million times I do not, nor will I condone the way they did what they did. Did they have good reason? I have no idea, but it may be the craziest decision in rock history if they did not.

[Ms_M]

Oh how could I EVER live w/out u dearest Niggy. U make me laugh so hard.

But no, keep trying

Nice post, Susie. I won't rush you.





Are you over it now?













How about now?

For some reason, this reminded me of those "Can you hear me now?" commercials. Thanks to both of you for the much-needed laugh.

[ArnelRox]

As for someone else posting for them, there were a couple of very strange posts on the blog a few days ago, that disappeared before I could get back and read them again. They were to the point, matter of fact, and pointed several fingers. Could it have been someone from BT? Sure. Was it? People can claim what they will, I still have no idea who they were. All I can tell you is someone didn't want anyone to see them.

Point taken. I was talking about a credible source tho, like Brian May or Marcel. From what I understand those were anonymous posts on the blog.

Someone also posted some crap here about drugs & someone on TJF posted some shit about singing to tape. Poor Jeff himself had to come out & refute those. See what I mean?

[ArnelRox]

I would. Absolutely there would be no misunderstanding there. That is why I have said a million times I do not, nor will I condone the way they did what they did. Did they have good reason? I have no idea, but it may be the craziest decision in rock history if they did not.

I guess my point (& why I'm angry) is that whether they had good reason or not, they should have told Jeff what their reasons were. I believe Marcel & others who say that Jeff would have made this easier for them smoothing over the fans if he was treated fairly. Even if their reason was simply, we want someone who is more-Perry-soundalike-ish (as Friga eluded to in 1 interview). Anything. Not being given a reason is just wrong IMHO. The way they erased him gradually from their site made me sick.