Has Jeremey actually AUDITIONED yet?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fyre, why should these people - who are in this country illegally, and technically criminals - have any rights? IMO, they shouldn't have any rights at all because they don't belong here. I don't care if they're Mexicans, Canadians, Monegasques, Afrikaaners, whatever. If they want to enjoy the RIGHTS and privileges of the United States then enter it the legal way. If they don't they should be deported. IMMEDIATELY. Again, JMO.

Good point. Some of them cant get in the legal way tho. It's just not easy & they desperately want to come here for the opportunities. Many of them work 3 jobs that Americans wont do. Ask anyone who ever worked in a restaurant!

However they do actually have rights, believe it or not. Even the INS has a process & there are defenses illegal immigrants can use to change their status. The USA is really pretty fair w/illegals. Maybe too fair?

I'm not arguing that they should have rights. Technically you're right.

To Susie's point: I think having the financial resources to get here legally is the big problem. As I mentioned earlier regarding my in-laws trying to simply VISIT from Colombia. INS says they're por and have no compelling reason to return to Colombia after visiting. All of the illegals I know simply don't have the money to go through the proper process. That doesn't excuse their behavior however I personally can understand it.

Life finds a way. If a law or process or wall or whatever is standing in the way of someone seeking a better life...well, life finds a way.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Do u know any cops Fyre? If not, maybe someone here is one & can help u understand this. This is the way they ALWAYS appear: casual. Have u ever watched "The Shield"? A lot of my cop friends say that's pretty close to reality. Ever seen Vic & his strike team approach a dangerous situation? Totally casual. But they have back up folks in the front & back. The people in the house just dont see them unless there's trouble.

I understand casual however the apartment was a basement dwelling and situated in a manner conducive to an easy escape through the back door. In order to cover this back area police had to be on foot and clearly noticeable. According to what I was told there wasn't anyone seen however the intensity of the situation may have blurred visions. Perhaps they were all around - I don't know for sure.

Anyway, I'm still puzzling over the problem that if they were associated with this Gregory then why not a simple warrant and an arrest? As far as I know their NTA didn't have any info regarding illegal activity neither were they charged with anything. They simply acknowledged that their documents were false.

[ArnelRox]

But this used to be a land that welcomed people from other countries. This nation was built on that. Why did it change so drastically?

We have a customer who lived here illegally for something like 18 yrs. She is a really nice lady & told me her story one nite after she became a legal resident. She came from England on a 6 month visitors visa back in the 80s. All she ever wanted was to live in the US. She looked into every legal way she could come but the wait was about 15 yrs! She came to the US, worked every day for all those yrs, paid taxes, contributed to society, but she was not a resident. One early employer tried to sponsor her. The problem was she was just a secretary & in order to sponsor her, she would have had to have qualifications no other American could fill & that would have to be documented & advertised for months in a newspaper, she said. They never could get that one thru. After that job folded (the boss died), she had to work to survive. She couldnt go back home as she had no family & had been here for a few yrs by then. She stayed & worked & lied to employers she was legal. She had to lie to get jobs. It bothered her but she had no other options. Eventually, she married an American & applied for residency. Her past illegal status was excused as she was able to show her record here. She has been married for yrs now & is happy. IMHO she deserved a chance but there was no loophole for her. During the time she was illegal, she met many Irish people who got in thru loopholes on different lottery visas (yeah really lottery, just picked out of a hat or something). They didnt even stay. Just got the residency & went back to Ireland. What a waste! There was no such opportunity for her as she was English.

No doubt u would judge this woman for ever being illegal. But I think she did the right thing...what she had to do to survive.

I don't buy that one, either. I'm sure the process to immigrate legally to the U.S. is long and difficult but that's the way it's intended to be.

[ArnelRox]

To Susie's point: I think having the financial resources to get here legally is the big problem.

I dont believe it's financial in most cases. See my response to Dave about the English woman who is a customer at my club. It wasnt money that prevented her from becoming legal. There was just no way to do it. (There is a loophole for people w/several millions as some oil sheiks have used that, but let's face it, they're a very small minority.) The real problem is how long the waiting list is & for many Europoean countries, it's several decades. Other than that, they have to marry someone & go thru hoops to prove it's a legit marriage, or have a direct relative (mother, father, sister, brother) who is a citizen & can claim them in. If they cant do either of the above, they simply cant immigrate here. Yet they may have cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. who came here decades ago when the process was much simpler. Seems unfair to me.

[ArnelRox]

I understand casual however the apartment was a basement dwelling and situated in a manner conducive to an easy escape through the back door. In order to cover this back area police had to be on foot and clearly noticeable. According to what I was told there wasn't anyone seen however the intensity of the situation may have blurred visions. Perhaps they were all around - I don't know for sure.

Cops are trained to be invisible. Trust me.

Anyway, I'm still puzzling over the problem that if they were associated with this Gregory then why not a simple warrant and an arrest? As far as I know their NTA didn't have any info regarding illegal activity neither were they charged with anything. They simply acknowledged that their documents were false.

I think the cops had evidence saying they were associated w/something bad but maybe not enough to get a warrant easily. They did their homework & discovered they were illegal. Then used that as a means of getting them in custody.

[RunningAlone Pgh]

Would u mind elaborating (if ur allowed to do so) please? I've met lots of really wonderful wannabe immigrants in restaurants I've worked at. Sure, I've met a couple of losers too. But most were really great hardworking folks who just wanted to live here, but couldnt find a legal way in. I dont doubt there are different stories. I would like to hear them, if u can.

Susie, I'm sorry but I'm really not sure what I can or cannot say. I wasn't intending to point out "well they did this and they did that", that wasn't my point. It's more of an explanation, if you will, for why I feel as I do.

[ArnelRox]

Fair enough. I guess my experience has been different tho. That's what we go by, our experience, right?

Susie, I'm sorry but I'm really not sure what I can or cannot say. I wasn't intending to point out "well they did this and they did that", that wasn't my point. It's more of an explanation, if you will, for why I feel as I do.

[conversationpc]

But this used to be a land that welcomed people from other countries. This nation was built on that. Why did it change so drastically?

We still do but they have to do it legally. This isn't the same time as when we could just allow almost anyone in. There are literally thousands of terrorists who would come here in a heartbeat if it were as easy to get in as it used to be. It would be rather foolish to go back to that. Should it be easier to become a citizen? Perhaps, but I don't think it ought to be a cakewalk, either.

[RunningAlone Pgh]

Fair enough. I guess my experience has been different tho. That's what we go by, our experience, right?

Absolutely. Thanks for understanding.

[ArnelRox]

I know. Since 9/11, they really HAD no other option but to clamp down.

The woman I mentioned tho, she came here in the early or mid-80s. That was a long time before that & it was just as difficult then. There are a lot of people like her that have lived & worked & paid taxes for years. It seems there should be some way to "grandfather" those people in. I know they did an amnesty thing in the 80s that helped w/that. Terrorism probably prevents another from happening. Damn terrorists!

We still do but they have to do it legally. This isn't the same time as when we could just allow almost anyone in. There are literally thousands of terrorists who would come here in a heartbeat if it were as easy to get in as it used to be. It would be rather foolish to go back to that. Should it be easier to become a citizen? Perhaps, but I don't think it ought to be a cakewalk, either.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

To Susie's point: I think having the financial resources to get here legally is the big problem.

I dont believe it's financial in most cases. See my response to Dave about the English woman who is a customer at my club. It wasnt money that prevented her from becoming legal. There was just no way to do it. (There is a loophole for people w/several millions as some oil sheiks have used that, but let's face it, they're a very small minority.) The real problem is how long the waiting list is & for many Europoean countries, it's several decades. Other than that, they have to marry someone & go thru hoops to prove it's a legit marriage, or have a direct relative (mother, father, sister, brother) who is a citizen & can claim them in. If they cant do either of the above, they simply cant immigrate here. Yet they may have cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. who came here decades ago when the process was much simpler. Seems unfair to me.

Every person has a different story/situation. All of the illegals I know haven't the financial resources.

In my case I applied for a fiance visa which was actually created way back when when the American government was trying to help young men who migrated west to bring women from other countries as there were none out west! The fiance visa is simple IF you provide proper documentation AND "sign-off" that you will be the SOLE provider of your spouse. For example, I've stipulated to the US government that should we divorce and my wife seek PUBLIC ASSISTANCE that she will be denied and that I will be responsible. One of the supporting documents I had to produce was a hefty life insurance policy with her as beneficiary.

See my story about my in-laws being denied a visitor's visa because they're impoverished.

Anyway, the bottom line is that it's getting more difficult for people to immigrate here as the mechanisms to do so legally are a lot more tough than what I think people realize.

[SusieP]

To Susie's point: I think having the financial resources to get here legally is the big problem.

I dont believe it's financial in most cases. See my response to Dave about the English woman who is a customer at my club. It wasnt money that prevented her from becoming legal. There was just no way to do it. (There is a loophole for people w/several millions as some oil sheiks have used that, but let's face it, they're a very small minority.) The real problem is how long the waiting list is & for many Europoean countries, it's several decades. Other than that, they have to marry someone & go thru hoops to prove it's a legit marriage, or have a direct relative (mother, father, sister, brother) who is a citizen & can claim them in. If they cant do either of the above, they simply cant immigrate here. Yet they may have cousins, uncles, aunts, etc. who came here decades ago when the process was much simpler. Seems unfair to me.

Every person has a different story/situation. All of the illegals I know haven't the financial resources.

In my case I applied for a fiance visa which was actually created way back when when the American government was trying to help young men who migrated west to bring women from other countries as there were none out west! The fiance visa is simple IF you provide proper documentation AND "sign-off" that you will be the SOLE provider of your spouse. For example, I've stipulated to the US government that should we divorce and my wife seek PUBLIC ASSISTANCE that she will be denied and that I will be responsible. One of the supporting documents I had to produce was a hefty life insurance policy with her as beneficiary.

See my story about my in-laws being denied a visitor's visa because they're impoverished.

Anyway, the bottom line is that it's getting more difficult for people to immigrate here as the mechanisms to do so legally are a lot more tough than what I think people realize.

Why not come to the UK? They seem to have no restrictions here whatsoever.

So if you want to get ripped off in taxes, fuel prices, house prices, cost of living etc etc - come to the UK.
And don't even get me started on the weather!!!!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

But this used to be a land that welcomed people from other countries. This nation was built on that. Why did it change so drastically?

We still do but they have to do it legally. This isn't the same time as when we could just allow almost anyone in. There are literally thousands of terrorists who would come here in a heartbeat if it were as easy to get in as it used to be. It would be rather foolish to go back to that. Should it be easier to become a citizen? Perhaps, but I don't think it ought to be a cakewalk, either.

"We" have laws. It's ironic and sad to consider that prior to "our" laws that "we" literally robbed this land from the native Americans through trickery and genocide. "We" then "legally" dragged Africans here to work "our" land.

Laws are GREAT when they benefit the ones who write them!!!

Laws can and should be continuously reviewed/revised to assure that they neither oppress nor provide unfair advantages. IMO our immigration laws are in dire need of review/revision.

[nikki]

[quote="JR (Susie)"]But this used to be a land that welcomed people from other countries. This nation was built on that. Why did it change so drastically?

Not everyone comes over here with good intentions anymore, that's why.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I understand casual however the apartment was a basement dwelling and situated in a manner conducive to an easy escape through the back door. In order to cover this back area police had to be on foot and clearly noticeable. According to what I was told there wasn't anyone seen however the intensity of the situation may have blurred visions. Perhaps they were all around - I don't know for sure.

Cops are trained to be invisible. Trust me.

Anyway, I'm still puzzling over the problem that if they were associated with this Gregory then why not a simple warrant and an arrest? As far as I know their NTA didn't have any info regarding illegal activity neither were they charged with anything. They simply acknowledged that their documents were false.

I think the cops had evidence saying they were associated w/something bad but maybe not enough to get a warrant easily. They did their homework & discovered they were illegal. Then used that as a means of getting them in custody.

You're wrong. I had more discussion yesterday. They absolutely were NOT involved with anything other than being here illegally. In fact, the one brother upon being tested for drugs showed a sugar problem. Being caught may actually benefit his health as he may have a diabetic problem previously unknown.

Please ease up on the invisible stuff. I've known police. I'm not taking anything away from police but they're not Marvel Comics' super-heroes (like my pal Ghost Rider). They actually CAN be seen. Maybe you've been watching too much TV, too...?

I respect police but they're human. I recently had some work done on my van and a policeman was, too. As we waited he initiated chit-chat. He seemed like a nice enough guy but I was amazed at some of the things he was saying. I won't go into details but he made some racially charged comments regarding blacks. I'm not too surprised however because I reside south of the city surrounded by a bunch of corn fields. He was divorced and got real edgy when discussing his ex-wife - and women in general. Generally speaking he was rather naive and not at all tolerant of cultural differences. I wasn't real impressed by his person nor how he carried himself professionally - I'm pretty sure I could spot him even if he had invisble powers. He must not have been on the raid of my friend's house because he definitely would've screwed it up.

[CatEyes]

But this used to be a land that welcomed people from other countries. This nation was built on that. Why did it change so drastically?

We still do but they have to do it legally. This isn't the same time as when we could just allow almost anyone in. There are literally thousands of terrorists who would come here in a heartbeat if it were as easy to get in as it used to be. It would be rather foolish to go back to that. Should it be easier to become a citizen? Perhaps, but I don't think it ought to be a cakewalk, either.

Jump into the way-back machine to September 11, 2001

I live in Miami ....... and have several friends who fly/flew for American Airlines ....... so was on the phone all day.

By the end of the day the entire country was a no-fly zone - and border patrol was everywhere - the coast guard and the navy protected our shorelines

About midnight, 30 refugees from Cuba came directly up the Miami River into downtown - and were welcomed by friends and family waiting for them (yes, they knew exactly where they were coming in)

All any terrorist would have to do is head to Cuba and leave on a boat from there.

It is the wet foot/dry foot policy - and applies only to Cubans - if they can get one foot on dry land, they become citizens with food stamps, health care and medicine.

And it is still happening a couple of times a week

Cat

[ArnelRox]

Every person has a different story/situation. All of the illegals I know haven't the financial resources.

Ur missing the point again Fyre. All the finances in the world will do a person no good if there are no visas available for their country. Or are u talking about BUYING a fiance visa? In other words having enough $$$ to pay someone to get engaged & married to u?

In my case I applied for a fiance visa

Fyre, once again ur an idiot. A fiance visa is only good for a certain amount of time. Then u have to get married & go thru that process of sponoring ur wife. A fiance visa also only works for someone who is here legally (i.e., visitor, student, temporary work visa) or is still back in their own country. If the immigrant fiance is here illegally, a fiance visa wont work unless they return to their own country. At that point it can be YEARS before they are allowed to come back in.

The fiance visa is simple

Not really. Once again, ur an idiot.

IF you provide proper documentation AND "sign-off" that you will be the SOLE provider of your spouse.

& what's the difference between that & any kind of marriage visa or other relative visa? They ALL work the same way. Sheesh. Next u'll be telling us u invented the light bulb

For example, I've stipulated to the US government that should we divorce and my wife seek PUBLIC ASSISTANCE that she will be denied and that I will be responsible.

This is utter bullcrap. While ur wife is a temporary resident (which is during the time u've filed all the marriage documents & had ur interview w/immigration--that process can take as long as 2-3 yrs depending where u live), u would be held to this. However, after u have been married for 2 yrs & gone back for a 2nd interview to show proof of the marriage (sometimes they waive the interview & just require documents sent in), then she is a permanent resident. At that point u are NO longer responsible for her whether she divorces u or not. She is then a PERMANENT resident which is renewable every 10 yrs. After 3 yrs as a PERMANENT resident, she can apply to be a citizen. If she does that, ur most certainly not responsible for her. I suggest u read the papers again.

One of the supporting documents I had to produce was a hefty life insurance policy with her as beneficiary.

Ur not REQUIRED to have a life insurance policy, but it does help ur case. However it doesnt have to be HEFTY.

See my story about my in-laws being denied a visitor's visa because they're impoverished.

Dont know where the story is, but this is typical. They deny the visitors visas b/c for ANY visitors visa u have to show u have enough money and an intent to return to ur own country. Nothing new here. Stop making a federal case out of this BS.

Anyway, the bottom line is that it's getting more difficult for people to immigrate here as the mechanisms to do so legally are a lot more tough than what I think people realize.

They've been difficult for a VERY long time. They've tightened them up even further since 9/11. But it was already EXTREMELY difficult in the 80s.

[ArnelRox]

You're wrong. I had more discussion yesterday. They absolutely were NOT involved with anything other than being here illegally.

Oh stop putting words in my mouth u fool. I said the cops had some convincing evidence they were. That doesnt mean they absolutely WERE. U keep on insisting the cops tracked them down JUST because they were living here illegally. If that was the case, every fucking restaurant in the US would have cops at their doors right now. U are just spouting shit, trying to make a case out of nothing. Sure, these friends SAY they werent involved in anything illegal. That carries about as much weight as Neal & Ross saying they didnt know tapes were used when Augeri was the lead singer. Puh-leeze!

Please ease up on the invisible stuff. I've known police. I'm not taking anything away from police but they're not Marvel Comics' super-heroes (like my pal Ghost Rider). They actually CAN be seen. Maybe you've been watching too much TV, too...?

No I wont ease up. Ur story is ridiculous. Obviously u DONT know cops. They are really awesome at approaching a place stealthily. Ur such a fucking idiot sometimes Fyre. U really are.

I wasn't real impressed by his person nor how he carried himself professionally - I'm pretty sure I could spot him even if he had invisble powers. He must not have been on the raid of my friend's house because he definitely would've screwed it up.

Proves my point. What does this cop u met at a fix-up shop have to do w/cops guarding the back of a house? Here, u try to paint ALL cops as assholes just b/c u met one who was a racist sexist pig. Sure there are good & bad people in every profession, every nationality too. U know I was at work one day in Chicago & went back in the kitchen to go to my office. The guys in the kitchen had this scantily clad hispanic girl in the kitchen. They quickly ushered her out. They were laughing after she left & using some word I didnt understand. I asked them what the joke was. Turns out she was a Columbian girl who "serviced" them en masse in their apts after they got off work. A whore. For some food, a place to say, & some $$$, she gave them all BJs, sex, whatever, as a group. I didnt walk away from that experience saying all Columbian females are whores. I don't walk around calling ur wife a whore just b/c she's Columbian, do I? So please get a grip on urself! Not all cops are racist sexist pigs, but maybe a few are. Just like some Columbian women are whores. But not all. Some are married to u, God help them

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Every person has a different story/situation. All of the illegals I know haven't the financial resources.

Ur missing the point again Fyre. All the finances in the world will do a person no good if there are no visas available for their country. Or are u talking about BUYING a fiance visa? In other words having enough $$$ to pay someone to get engaged & married to u?

I was making a point. How can I miss my own point?

I'm talking about the people I know personally. They haven't the money to go about it legally. I can relate. I barely have enough money. My wife's green card was mailed to the wrong address and then deemed "lost". This required us to go through a bunch of moronic calls, submit more paperwork, schedule meetings, and pay more $$$. I was lucky to have the money.

I could write a book on the STUPIDITY that we've gone through with INS and the $$$ we've spent for said stupidity.

I'm missing the point? I'm LIVING it!

In my case I applied for a fiance visa

Fyre, once again ur an idiot. A fiance visa is only good for a certain amount of time. Then u have to get married & go thru that process of sponoring ur wife.

Only partly correct. Yes. The fiance visa is good for only 90 days. You MUST be married within that timeframe however the fiance visa ITSELF is a form of sponsorship.

A fiance visa also only works for someone who is here legally (i.e., visitor, student, temporary work visa) or is still back in their own country. If the immigrant fiance is here illegally, a fiance visa wont work unless they return to their own country. At that point it can be YEARS before they are allowed to come back in.

Right. I'm here legally. Born and raised. So how does this make me an idiot...? I used the easiest means possible to get my wife here. How does that make me an idiot?

The fiance visa is simple

Not really. Once again, ur an idiot.

??? once again - HOW? Have you filed the fiance visa? It's rather easy. You simply need the proper documents and proof of financial stability/responsibility - once again $$$.

IF you provide proper documentation AND "sign-off" that you will be the SOLE provider of your spouse.

& what's the difference between that & any kind of marriage visa or other relative visa? They ALL work the same way. Sheesh. Next u'll be telling us u invented the light bulb

I'm not following your animosity at all. I simply explained how I went about things and that the DRIVE behind it is $$$. I'm arguing that the way to get into this country is now dependent on your financial means/status.

For example, I've stipulated to the US government that should we divorce and my wife seek PUBLIC ASSISTANCE that she will be denied and that I will be responsible.

This is utter bullcrap. While ur wife is a temporary resident (which is during the time u've filed all the marriage documents & had ur interview w/immigration--that process can take as long as 2-3 yrs depending where u live), u would be held to this. However, after u have been married for 2 yrs & gone back for a 2nd interview to show proof of the marriage (sometimes they waive the interview & just require documents sent in), then she is a permanent resident. At that point u are NO longer responsible for her whether she divorces u or not. She is then a PERMANENT resident which is renewable every 10 yrs. After 3 yrs as a PERMANENT resident, she can apply to be a citizen. If she does that, ur most certainly not responsible for her. I suggest u read the papers again.

You may be correct on this. My wife currently is a permanent resident however it was my understanding that certain conditions of the fiance visa extended into her residency. I may need to read everything again.

While you may be correct regarding the legal responsibilities of the visa/residency I would say that you're entirely wrong about ultimate responsibility. If my wife were to divorce me I'm sure a nice lawyer would assure that I pay child support and alimony.

One of the supporting documents I had to produce was a hefty life insurance policy with her as beneficiary.

]Ur not REQUIRED to have a life insurance policy, but it does help ur case. However it doesnt have to be HEFTY.

You're not listening. I went through the process. I was required to have the policy.

See my story about my in-laws being denied a visitor's visa because they're impoverished.

Dont know where the story is, but this is typical. They deny the visitors visas b/c for ANY visitors visa u have to show u have enough money and an intent to return to ur own country. Nothing new here. Stop making a federal case out of this BS.

Again, the point was to support my charge that $$$ is what matters. The people coming off the boats onto Ellis Island years ago weren't turned back because they were broke.

Anyway, the bottom line is that it's getting more difficult for people to immigrate here as the mechanisms to do so legally are a lot more tough than what I think people realize.

They've been difficult for a VERY long time. They've tightened them up even further since 9/11. But it was already EXTREMELY difficult in the 80s.

Right. America is now no longer about embracing the "huddled masses" or the "wretched refuse" - it's about assuring that prospective visitors and immigrants have some $$$. Good thing the terrorists have lots of it - that certainly helps their chances of coming here legally.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

You're wrong. I had more discussion yesterday. They absolutely were NOT involved with anything other than being here illegally.

Oh stop putting words in my mouth u fool. I said the cops had some convincing evidence they were. That doesnt mean they absolutely WERE. U keep on insisting the cops tracked them down JUST because they were living here illegally.

No. I actually stated that I haad suspicions. I wasn't suggesting they were tracking anyone down. I was suggesting that they were FISHING and the bait they used (FEAR) worked!

Please ease up on the invisible stuff. I've known police. I'm not taking anything away from police but they're not Marvel Comics' super-heroes (like my pal Ghost Rider). They actually CAN be seen. Maybe you've been watching too much TV, too...?

No I wont ease up. Ur story is ridiculous. Obviously u DONT know cops. They are really awesome at approaching a place stealthily. Ur such a fucking idiot sometimes Fyre. U really are.

Next you'll be telling me that they leap tall buildings in a single bound...

Before I knew I had an arthritic spine I took a police exam for a city in Ohio because I know that I'm NOT a fucking idiot. You don't know what I do or don't know or who I've known. I'll leave it at that.

I wasn't real impressed by his person nor how he carried himself professionally - I'm pretty sure I could spot him even if he had invisble powers. He must not have been on the raid of my friend's house because he definitely would've screwed it up.

Proves my point. What does this cop u met at a fix-up shop have to do w/cops guarding the back of a house? Here, u try to paint ALL cops as assholes just b/c u met one who was a racist sexist pig. Sure there are good & bad people in every profession...

THAT was my point. Thanks for getting it! What you failed to get is that I was NOT painting ALL cops as assholes any more than you were painting them all as super-heroes.

U know I was at work one day in Chicago & went back in the kitchen to go to my office. The guys in the kitchen had this scantily clad hispanic girl in the kitchen. They quickly ushered her out. They were laughing after she left & using some word I didnt understand. I asked them what the joke was. Turns out she was a Columbian girl who "serviced" them en masse in their apts after they got off work. A whore. For some food, a place to say, & some $$$, she gave them all BJs, sex, whatever, as a group. I didnt walk away from that experience saying all Columbian females are whores. I don't walk around calling ur wife a whore just b/c she's Columbian, do I? So please get a grip on urself! Not all cops are racist sexist pigs, but maybe a few are. Just like some Columbian women are whores. But not all. Some are married to u, God help them

First it's ColOmbian, fool. Secondly, Colombian prostitutes is hardly news nor is it an unfair stereotype. Have you been to Colombia? I have. Prostitutes abound. Big deal. That's the result of 25% unemployment rate and poverty. Thirdly, the girl wasn't my wife - and I'm proud to say that we have 3 little boys that didn't cost me a dime

[Socratic Methodist]

I'm all for closing the borders....and I'm for sending everyone who is here illegally, home.

And please don't start with the whole, 'Everyone is here illegally, only the Native Americans are here legally'.

Illegal Aliens have, and are bringing this country down. Close the borders, NO EXCEPTIONS.

I cringe everytime I look at my neighbors Lexus.

Oh, and another thing....I used to be a casual carrier for the USPS for a couple of years. Used to deliver in a really BAD area of Providence, RI, called 'Olneyville'. There were a couple of houses(apartments) that used to get 5 or 6 checks on the 1st and 15th. Some of these people used to FOLLOW me all day because they couldn't wait for their check. Roll that around on your tongue for awhile: FIVE or SIX checks. These people lived in the dregs, but drove Acuras, Infinitis, and Lexuses(sp)....and don't lift a finger for those checks. And EVERY person is a foreigner.

Close the borders!

[ArnelRox]

I was making a point. How can I miss my own point?

Do u REALLY want me to answer that numbnuts?

I'm talking about the people I know personally. They haven't the money to go about it legally.

Unless they're marrying an American citizen, have a job to sponsor them, or have a mother, father, sister, or brother here, how CAN they go about it legally? Money doesnt matter. U can't just go buy a visa. God are u dense sometimes.

I can relate. I barely have enough money. My wife's green card was mailed to the wrong address and then deemed "lost". This required us to go through a bunch of moronic calls, submit more paperwork, schedule meetings, and pay more $$$. I was lucky to have the money.

Didnt ur wife get a 10 yr visa after 2 yrs of marriage to u? I assume u have been married this long w/all those little Fyres u have running around the place. After 3 yrs, she should be applying for citizenship. Then u wouldnt have to mess w/this.

I could write a book on the STUPIDITY that we've gone through with INS and the $$$ we've spent for said stupidity.

Yes, they're stupid. They lose files. Do moronic interviews. Wont give info over the phone. Etc. But if u dont have this settled for ur wife by now, I'm left guessing who the stupid one is.

Only partly correct. Yes. The fiance visa is good for only 90 days. You MUST be married within that timeframe however the fiance visa ITSELF is a form of sponsorship.

Sure but so is the marriage visa.

A fiance visa also only works for someone who is here legally (i.e., visitor, student, temporary work visa) or is still back in their own country. If the immigrant fiance is here illegally, a fiance visa wont work unless they return to their own country. At that point it can be YEARS before they are allowed to come back in.

Right. I'm here legally. Born and raised. So how does this make me an idiot...? I used the easiest means possible to get my wife here. How does that make me an idiot?

Where did I call u being an idiot about that? Sheesh. Ur brain is so fucked. Did u do a lot of drugs when u were young or something? I called u an idiot for saying that people cant immigrate here b/c they cant afford it. That is NOT the case for most people. It's the fact that they dont have an immediate family member, a spouse (or prospective spouse) or a job that can sponsor them. Would u please learn to read? Maybe u & the wife could go for ESL classes. It might actually help.

??? once again - HOW? Have you filed the fiance visa? It's rather easy. You simply need the proper documents and proof of financial stability/responsibility - once again $$$.

No I havent filed it. But I know plenty of people who have & I've even helped them w/it. Sure u have to produce tax returns to show u can support the person. Nothing wrong w/that. If ur going to bring in some immigrant, the government needs to see that they will be supported. It doesnt cost much for the paper filing itself. But its not my fault if u dont have a decent paying job now is it?

I'm arguing that the way to get into this country is now dependent on your financial means/status.

God u are fucking dense today! It's NOT about money. It's about having someone to sponsor u. All u can see is ur situation. Let me try to dumb this down a bit for u. Ok I'm a person in let's say France. I want to immigrate to the US. I don't have a mother, father, sister or brother that is a legal relative here. I can't get a job here to sponsor me. I dont have an American citizen to marry. I have $500,000 in the bank. I STILL cant immigrate here. I have plenty of money to live here for a while, but w/out a sponsor there is no way for me to do it. Do u get it now?

You may be correct on this. My wife currently is a permanent resident however it was my understanding that certain conditions of the fiance visa extended into her residency. I may need to read everything again.

While she's a temporary resident yes. But once that 2 yr stipulation is lifted when u refile (cant remember the form name), she gets permanent residency which is renewable every 10 yrs. At that point u are no longer responsible for her.

While you may be correct regarding the legal responsibilities of the visa/residency I would say that you're entirely wrong about ultimate responsibility. If my wife were to divorce me I'm sure a nice lawyer would assure that I pay child support and alimony.

But we werent talking about that, were we? We were talking about u telling the government u would be responsible for her for life. I feel like I'm talking to the fucking wall w/u.

You're not listening. I went through the process. I was required to have the policy.

U werent. Ur not listening. I've been through the process w/friends & helped interpret their documents. It's suggested, not REQUIRED. U couldn't read about the financial support & got that fucked up. So u fucked this up as well. Admit it!

Again, the point was to support my charge that $$$ is what matters. The people coming off the boats onto Ellis Island years ago weren't turned back because they were broke.

No but as I tried to explain over & over, even if u have money now, if u don't have a sponsor it doesnt matter! See my example above u dumb idiot.

Right. America is now no longer about embracing the "huddled masses" or the "wretched refuse" - it's about assuring that prospective visitors and immigrants have some $$$. Good thing the terrorists have lots of it - that certainly helps their chances of coming here legally.

No it's not about that at all. It's about making sure they have a sponsor. That gives them a REASON to immigrate. In terms of visiting, they know millions of people want to move here for a better life. But they can't fit everyone in the stinking poverty-stricken world into this country. Therefore before they let them come in to visit, they want to make sure they wont overstay their visas. Back in the days of huddled masses, these werent concerns. There was NOTHING here. Now there is.

Get ur damn head out of ur ass Fyre.

[ArnelRox]

No. I actually stated that I haad suspicions. I wasn't suggesting they were tracking anyone down. I was suggesting that they were FISHING and the bait they used (FEAR) worked!

But that wasnt the reason they went there u fucking moron. They went there for another reason. They used the "illegal" thing hoping to get info. If all they wanted to do was round up a couple of illegals, they'd be at every restaurant in the US. They'd round up a whole lot more there than at ur friends' house.

I really dont think Ive EVER met anyone this dense in my life.

Next you'll be telling me that they leap tall buildings in a single bound...

Quit exaggerating u drama queen u.

I know that I'm NOT a fucking idiot.

No? Try writing like ur not one just once a day maybe....

THAT was my point. Thanks for getting it! What you failed to get is that I was NOT painting ALL cops as assholes any more than you were painting them all as super-heroes.

Um excuse me, it was not ME who said ALL cops are super-heroes. But whether they are good people or not, they are all doing HEROIC work. I couldn't do what they do. I dont have that kind of courage. Especially what those men in NY did during 9/11. Holy shit.

First it's ColOmbian, fool.

Do I look like one? Ok then why would I need to know how to spell it right?

Thirdly, the girl wasn't my wife - and I'm proud to say that we have 3 little boys that didn't cost me a dime

Maybe someone should pay her for having to put up w/u! Poor girl. I pity her. On 2nd thoughts, leave her not speaking too much English. That way she doesnt have to understand the dribble that comes our of ur mouth. She's better off.

[slucero]

(Has Jeremey audtioned yet?)

[RedWingFan]

Do u REALLY want me to answer that numbnuts?

God are u dense sometimes.

But if u dont have this settled for ur wife by now, I'm left guessing who the stupid one is.

Ur brain is so fucked. Did u do a lot of drugs when u were young or something?

Would u please learn to read? Maybe u & the wife could go for ESL classes. It might actually help.

God u are fucking dense today!

Let me try to dumb this down a bit for u.

I feel like I'm talking to the fucking wall w/u.

U couldn't read about the financial support & got that fucked up. So u fucked this up as well. Admit it!

See my example above u dumb idiot.

Get ur damn head out of ur ass Fyre.

I just wanted to simplify this. Is there a record for # of insults in a post....Funny as hell

[ArnelRox]

(Has Jeremey audtioned yet?)

YES. He talked about it, maybe in this thread many many pages before "Fried Wings" turned it into "why he hates the US government" & a dumb blonde responded to.

P.S. I'm blonde & thanks Granny.

[stevew2]

Andrew please lock this fucking thread, it has nothing to do with Jeremey. Where is Deano when you need him

[slucero]

I know he has... I was being sarcastic.... hehe

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Maybe someone should pay her for having to put up w/u! Poor girl. I pity her. On 2nd thoughts, leave her not speaking too much English. That way she doesnt have to understand the dribble that comes our of ur mouth. She's better off.

As I sit and read through so much of your opsts I wonder to myself, "What is it about Susie that draws me to her like a fly to shit?"

[conversationpc]

Do u REALLY want me to answer that numbnuts?

God are u dense sometimes.

But if u dont have this settled for ur wife by now, I'm left guessing who the stupid one is.

Ur brain is so fucked. Did u do a lot of drugs when u were young or something?

Would u please learn to read? Maybe u & the wife could go for ESL classes. It might actually help.

God u are fucking dense today!

Let me try to dumb this down a bit for u.

I feel like I'm talking to the fucking wall w/u.

U couldn't read about the financial support & got that fucked up. So u fucked this up as well. Admit it!

See my example above u dumb idiot.

Get ur damn head out of ur ass Fyre.

I just wanted to simplify this. Is there a record for # of insults in a post....Funny as hell

Boy, for someone who was so upset about JoePa attacking her, she sure is in fine form here.