MAYBE THE GUYS IN THE BAND....

[Rick]

They won't even look at this guy if he can't sing or talk to the crowd without that accent.

[ArnelRox]

Thanks so much for this Socratic. A friend of mine was recently talking about these guys & singing a few bars for me. I couldnt remember them at all. I've been meaning to search & see if I could hear them. I like this a LOT. Very nice. Great looking guys too! I love the hair! How I miss when men looked like this.

Here's some good music:

Very underrated band.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrE4x4eVgko&mode=related&search=

[NealIsGod]

Susie's got a good ear. You know she is right about what she said. And she said it diplomatically. They guy can sing, and sounds good singing that song. But he did struggle in spots. As did Augeri. If you expect us to say he is as good as Perry in his prime, no way.

[ArnelRox]

To be fair, other than Perry in his prime, so did the other Journey singers at some point, whether sharp or flat.

I agree. However I have to say the 2nd nite I saw Jeff w/Journey (last Nov) he was perfect. Maybe one note in DSB but even that's a maybe. I was blown away by him that nite. He hit 'em all & he rocked the freaking house.

The only reason I critiqued this is b/c this guy seemed to think he was better than Jeff & ideal for Journey.

[JH'sTXfan]

He's got a good voice. Thanks for posting it. I like it when people put good music on here. Keeps me from having to sort through it myself.

Here's some good music:

Very underrated band.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=BrE4x4eVgko&mode=related&search=

They ARE very good. Thanks for posting this.

[separate_wayz]

It seemed pretty good, but then I saw Kevin Elson off to the side at a soundboard, so now I'm not so sure.

[Wally_Hatchet]

To be fair, other than Perry in his prime, so did the other Journey singers at some point, whether sharp or flat.

I agree. However I have to say the 2nd nite I saw Jeff w/Journey (last Nov) he was perfect. Maybe one note in DSB but even that's a maybe. I was blown away by him that nite. He hit 'em all & he rocked the freaking house.

The only reason I critiqued this is b/c this guy seemed to think he was better than Jeff & ideal for Journey.

Cool. Jeff is 100% rock star. That guy is NOT better than Jeff, but he is very good.

[Món]

U put him up for Journey & stated ur opinion. Why is is "over-criticizing" for me to state mine? Kinda unfair of u isnt it? He's not perfect I'm sure he'd admit that. I dont know why I bother when there are ignorant people like u who think it's ok for u to give ur opinion, but that's the ONLY opinion allowed. Next time be sure to say that NO opinions other than urs are allowed in ur thread & good luck w/that, ok!

I already said I wouldn't even attempt to sing Journey songs. What a stupid comeback!

If your opinion is that he's not right for the band, that's OK.

You took the guy's performance on a VERY difficult song (that your average Joe would NEVER sing like this) and tore it apart. The guy's not perfect by any means, but he's VERY GOOD.

If you think that chick's performance is better than his, that's YOUR opinion (which I DO NOT share). Besides, SW is a walk in the park, compared to MF. But I guess you already knew that, having perfect pitch.

The origin of this thread is giving another option for the band. And yes, I do think this guy could do the job, with proper training and such.

Must be that time of the month for you.

[ArnelRox]

If your opinion is that he's not right for the band, that's OK.

Oh so u are allowing me to HAVE an opinion now? I never said he wasnt right for the band. I suggested some things he could do to make himself 'lead singer of a professional rock band' material.

You took the guy's performance on a VERY difficult song (that your average Joe would NEVER sing like this) and tore it apart.

Read it again. I critiqued ALL 3 of his songs u posted & I said that most people should NEVER try Mother, Father. I also gave him MAJOR kudos for trying it.

The guy's not perfect by any means, but he's VERY GOOD.

Read it again. I said that as well. But b/c I said a few other things, it wasn't good enough for u. Was I supposed to come in here, lie & say he's totally perfect? Well sorry. I very nicely & constructively critiqued the performance in an intelligent way. I praised as many points as I criticized. Why can u not accept that? I have a hard time believing that a singer wouldnt accept such a critique himself. Are u sure he wants u & this kind of behavior representing him on this board?

If you think that chick's performance is better than his, that's YOUR opinion (which I DO NOT share). Besides, SW is a walk in the park, compared to MF. But I guess you already knew that, having perfect pitch.

Yes it's an easier song than Mother, Father, I agree.

The origin of this thread is giving another option for the band. And yes, I do think this guy could do the job, with proper training and such.

Then we agree. Wow. But I think the band has their "option" already well squared away.

Must be that time of the month for you. [/b]

Sorry I dont have those anymore. I had a hysterectomy last yr due to cancer. Try again.

BTW, thats a very touchy subject for me as I've had a really tough time w/my health & it means I can never have kids. Maybe u should exercise just a little more discretion w/ur insults next time to women. They might be in a similar position & u might be tearing them to the core. I critiqued that singer constructively. I didnt stoop down to this level of insulting u or him.

Man I wish they would reopen BT. This is really getting ridiculous. It's invasion of the BTers around here.

[Món]

Oh so u are allowing me to HAVE an opinion now?

Show me where I said otherwise.

Read it again. I critiqued ALL 3 of his songs u posted & I said that most people should NEVER try Mother, Father. I also gave him MAJOR kudos for trying it.

No, you didn't.

Read it again. I said that as well. But b/c I said a few other things, it wasn't good enough for u. Was I supposed to come in here, lie & say he's totally perfect? Well sorry. I very nicely & constructively critiqued the performance in an intelligent way. I praised as many points as I criticized. Why can u not accept that? I have a hard time believing that a singer wouldnt accept such a critique himself. Are u sure he wants u & this kind of behavior representing him on this board?

Are you married?

Then we agree. Wow. But I think the band has their "option" already well squared away.

Please DO tell, Mr. Azoff.

Sorry I dont have those anymore. I had a hysterectomy last yr due to cancer. Try again.

BTW, thats a very touchy subject for me as I've had a really tough time w/my health & it means I can never have kids. Maybe u should exercise just a little more discretion w/ur insults next time to women. They might be in a similar position & u might be tearing them to the core. I critiqued that singer constructively. I didnt stoop down to this level of insulting u or him.

Man I wish they would reopen BT. This is really getting ridiculous. It's invasion of the BTers around here.

I'm sorry about your health problems (which I obviously didn't know, BTW). About the BT comment, speak for yourself. You sound just like any constipated member of that place. You're better with insults, tho. I have to give you that.
I'm not going to make any effort in choosing mine when I'm being attacked in the first place, tho.:

I dont know why I bother when there are ignorant people like u

What a stupid comeback!

Have a nice life.

[ArnelRox]

Show me where I said otherwise.

How about this:

Are you sure it isn't because he isn't a FEMALE?

'Cause you seem too demanding and yet give your full support to a sub par female singer in a band.

or this:

I think you OVER criticize too much.

Read it again. I critiqued ALL 3 of his songs u posted & I said that most people should NEVER try Mother, Father. I also gave him MAJOR kudos for trying it.

No, you didn't.

Here's verbatim what I said:

I give him MAJOR kudos for trying.

What does that say?

Are you married?

Yes. What does that have to do w/anything?

Please DO tell, Mr. Azoff.

Have u read Marcel's blog? & don't lump me w/that asshole.

I'm sorry about your health problems (which I obviously didn't know, BTW).

Totally tactless thing to say to a woman then isnt it? U never know who has health problems u might touch on. But u cant even admit that of course.

You're better with insults, tho. I have to give you that.
I'm not going to make any effort in choosing mine when I'm being attacked in the first place, tho.:

I have neither attacked nor insulted u once in this thread. Not once. However, u have done a fine job of both to me.

If saying ur a BTer is an insult to u then wear it. U stated u were one. I would never have known otherwise.

ALL I did was give my constructive criticism of the guy singing. U put him up here, say he should be Journey's next lead singer, then u can't take the fact that someone has some constructive critism of him & doesnt agree w/u that he's fucking PERFECT. WTF.

[conversationpc]

I love Jeremey's voice quite a bit but I like Juan Del Castillo's voice slightly better. He sings in the Lights cover band...

Faithfully http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv2gWSmm5Z4

Any Way You Want It http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s3o5cSSJuI

They also have a few clips on their myspace page... http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=42887321

[ArnelRox]

I love Jeremey's voice quite a bit but I like Juan Del Castillo's voice slightly better. He sings in the Lights cover band...

I'm torn. I love Jeremey's voice. But Juan also puts so much into it & he's always smiling & just so full of energy. He gets those highs in AWYWI w/ease. Love that version. I hope to go see those guys soon as I'll be spending a bit of time in Ca. I bet it's a blast.

[Rick]

I love Jeremey's voice quite a bit but I like Juan Del Castillo's voice slightly better. He sings in the Lights cover band...

Faithfully http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv2gWSmm5Z4

Any Way You Want It http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s3o5cSSJuI

They also have a few clips on their myspace page... http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=42887321

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

[conversationpc]

I love Jeremey's voice quite a bit but I like Juan Del Castillo's voice slightly better. He sings in the Lights cover band...

I'm torn. I love Jeremey's voice. But Juan puts so much into it & he's always smiling & just so full of energy. I hope to go see those guys soon as I'll be spending a bit of time in Ca. I bet it's a blast.

I am so frickin' jealous of you guys out there. I've always wanted to see lights and I know Jeff (the guy on keys in the band) from The Cooler and BT but I've never had the chance to see them.

[conversationpc]

I love Jeremey's voice quite a bit but I like Juan Del Castillo's voice slightly better. He sings in the Lights cover band...

Faithfully http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv2gWSmm5Z4

Any Way You Want It http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s3o5cSSJuI

They also have a few clips on their myspace page... http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... d=42887321

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

Define "airy". Doesn't make sense to me.

[Rick]

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

Define "airy". Doesn't make sense to me.

A softer less pronounced vocal, pushing more air than voice.

[ArnelRox]

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

I guess Juan might be more like a young Perry of the 70s. Whereas Jeremey is more like an 80s Perry. U think that's a fair comparison?

[Socratic Methodist]

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

Define "airy". Doesn't make sense to me.

A softer less pronounced vocal, pushing more air than voice.

A la Hugo?

[ArnelRox]

A softer less pronounced vocal, pushing more air than voice.

I'd have to disagree on that one from a technical standpoint. Except for a few notes at the very end of that Faithfully video, he's not using a lot of air when he goes way up in pitch. There's too much power in his voice for that. He's using less air.

[Rick]

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

Define "airy". Doesn't make sense to me.

A softer less pronounced vocal, pushing more air than voice.

A la Hugo?

Hugo's voice is all head voice, so there's actually less air being pushed, and as was said in another thread, that's hard on the vocal cords, his voice is just weak compared to Hunsicker or Castillo because he isn't singing from his diaphragm.

[ArnelRox]

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

Define "airy". Doesn't make sense to me.

A softer less pronounced vocal, pushing more air than voice.

A la Hugo?

IMO Hugo just has a very different tonality. Closer to Augeri's, softer. But he uses his air very well as he goes up in pitch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgpHPSVh1WA

[ArnelRox]

Hugo's voice is all head voice, so there's actually less air being pushed, and as was said in another thread, that's hard on the vocal cords, his voice is just weak compared to Hunsicker or Castillo because he isn't singing from his diaphragm.

That's incorrect. Hugo does not always sing in "head voice". He uses "chest voice" very well. Here, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE6oY8k-zNo

Whomever posted that statement obviously doesnt understand the "voices" a person has. The difference between "head" & "chest" is where they resonate & how the cords adduct, not where ur singing from. Here's a good definition:

How do you know if your singing in Head or Chest Voice?
Place your fingers on your breast bone and then sing a few notes from the bottom end of your range, you should be able to feel the vibration in your chest through your fingers, if you don't feel anything try belting 'Hello' - if your singing in chest voice you should feel something there. If you are singing in your head voice, you should feel the vibrations somewhere in the region of your teeth/lips, cheekbones, nasal cavity, or forehead.

http://www.vocalist.org.uk/voice_registers.html

[CatEyes]

Must be that time of the month for you. [/b]

That is a slap in the face to females everywhere and I will not be quiet.

Here is a big ole' fucking news flash for you.

There is plenty happening in the world right now that can make any intelligent woman pissy.

When a strong woman stands up for what she believes (and it does not include kissing your ass) some people always say "must be that time of the month"

When a man speaks out, he gets "yo bro - tell it like it is" "I got your back" "chillin' a cold one for you"

Stop it.

Man I wish they would reopen BT. This is really getting ridiculous. It's invasion of the BTers around here.

Please stop assuming all buttheads are from BT. They aren't.

Cat

[Rick]

That's incorrect. Hugo does not always sing in "head voice". He uses "chest voice" very well. Here, for example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE6oY8k-zNo

Whomever posted that statement obviously doesnt understand the "voices" a person has. The difference between "head" & "chest" is where they resonate & how the cords adduct, not where ur singing from. Here's a good definition:

How do you know if your singing in Head or Chest Voice?
Place your fingers on your breast bone and then sing a few notes from the bottom end of your range, you should be able to feel the vibration in your chest through your fingers, if you don't feel anything try belting 'Hello' - if your singing in chest voice you should feel something there. If you are singing in your head voice, you should feel the vibrations somewhere in the region of your teeth/lips, cheekbones, nasal cavity, or forehead.

http://www.vocalist.org.uk/voice_registers.html

He's not singing from his diaphragm in that clip. It's either his head voice or a falsetto. His teeth are definitely vibrating.

[ArnelRox]

Please stop assuming all buttheads are from BT. They aren't.

Cat

No they're not Cat. & there are a good number of GREAT folks who posted at BT & here. But this particular one admitted he was from BT. & u have to admit, we've gotten some immigration from BT on this board recently who never posted here before & that arent exactly "normal".

[conversationpc]

With all due respect, I must disagree. This Castillo guy sings great, but his voice is too airy for my taste. Jeremey's voice is all voice.

I guess Juan might be more like a young Perry of the 70s. Whereas Jeremey is more like an 80s Perry. U think that's a fair comparison?

I've been trying to place the two and I think you're right on. Castillo has that slight little "whine" in his voice at the top of his range where Jeremey's definitely sounds more like the "Frontiers" era Perry.

[conversationpc]

He's not singing from his diaphragm in that clip. It's either his head voice or a falsetto. His teeth are definitely vibrating.

Isn't the diaphragm still slightly used while singing in head voice, as opposed to falsetto where it's not used at all, hence the complete lack of power and loss of the richer tone in that register.

[wildone]

close your eyes he sounds Real good....but heck the band sounds good ...they sound just like Journey ...another fuckin tribute band....But I bet these guys are alot cheaper to see in concert!Fuck come on at this point it's all about a tribute!

[ArnelRox]

He's not singing from his diaphragm in that clip. It's either his head voice or a falsetto. His teeth are definitely vibrating.

U obviously still dont understand it. Read the excerpt & click the link to learn what falsetto is. It's not about singing from the diaphragm. There is NO way anyone could sing all Journey songs w/out going into head voice. Perry was a master of blending into head.

On that clip, Hugo is in chest voice for a great deal of the song. He doesnt go into head voice very much at all. Try singing along in that key & feel where it resonates on u. Even if u cant sing on pitch, u can still approximate it & feel where it resonates. He NEVER once goes into falsetto. His particular singing voice, just like his speaking voice I'd imagine (altho I never heard him talk) is probably naturally quite high.