MAYBE THE GUYS IN THE BAND....

[Socratic Methodist]

Hey, it worked for the Brothers Gibb......

[Rick]

He's not singing from his diaphragm in that clip. It's either his head voice or a falsetto. His teeth are definitely vibrating.

Isn't the diaphragm still slightly used while singing in head voice, as opposed to falsetto where it's not used at all, hence the complete lack of power and loss of the richer tone in that register.

Well you have to push air to even sing in falsetto, so the diaphragm is used to whatever extent to push that air.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hugo is a great singer when I listen to him singing with Valentine.

[conversationpc]

He's not singing from his diaphragm in that clip. It's either his head voice or a falsetto. His teeth are definitely vibrating.

Isn't the diaphragm still slightly used while singing in head voice, as opposed to falsetto where it's not used at all, hence the complete lack of power and loss of the richer tone in that register.

Well you have to push air to even sing in falsetto, so the diaphragm is used to whatever extent to push that air.

Don't get me wrong, I think Hugo is a great singer when I listen to him singing with Valentine.

Out of all the legitimate Journey tribute singers I've heard, I think Hugo is by far the worst.

[Rick]

Out of all the legitimate Journey tribute singers I've heard, I think Hugo is by far the worst.

Agreed. He's creeps me out singing Journey music.

[wildone]

...should look at this guy:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=zmTfcoSs82Y

It's funny you look and see who else is singing this tune On youtube ....Steve ps version of course is killin them !! The Evolution guy well he's ok ...but for looks he's dead on ....tribute way to go lol...but Deen C his version ...kicks ass they should've ran with him....even if he didn't want the lead ...he could've done it!

[Socratic Methodist]

Nobody ever said squat about Brian Johnson....they've done vocal comparisons, and their voices are almost 100% matching.

His replacement was seamless......Granted, he doesn't look like Scott, but still.....

[Món]

Show me where I said otherwise.

How about this:

Are you sure it isn't because he isn't a FEMALE?

'Cause you seem too demanding and yet give your full support to a sub par female singer in a band.

or this:

I think you OVER criticize too much.

I still don't see where I stated that you didn't have an opinion.

Read it again. I critiqued ALL 3 of his songs u posted & I said that most people should NEVER try Mother, Father. I also gave him MAJOR kudos for trying it.

No, you didn't.

Here's verbatim what I said:

I give him MAJOR kudos for trying.

What does that say?

It says "pat on the head" or "condescence". Your choice. Classic reaction from an uptight individual. There will be no other Steve Perry. We all know that. Even Steve Perry.

Are you married?

Yes. What does that have to do w/anything?

The way you react, for starters.

Please DO tell, Mr. Azoff.

Have u read Marcel's blog? & don't lump me w/that asshole.

Don't ACT like him. And who the fuck is Marcel?.

I'm sorry about your health problems (which I obviously didn't know, BTW).

Totally tactless thing to say to a woman then isnt it? U never know who has health problems u might touch on. But u cant even admit that of course.

Please.

You're better with insults, tho. I have to give you that.
I'm not going to make any effort in choosing mine when I'm being attacked in the first place, tho.:

I have neither attacked nor insulted u once in this thread. Not once. However, u have done a fine job of both to me.

If saying ur a BTer is an insult to u then wear it. U stated u were one. I would never have known otherwise.

Fuck BT. You called me ignorant and stupid. What's the name of that happy planet you live in, where those are not insults?

ALL I did was give my constructive criticism of the guy singing. U put him up here, say he should be Journey's next lead singer, then u can't take the fact that someone has some constructive critism of him & doesnt agree w/u that he's fucking PERFECT. WTF.

You're crazy.

[ArnelRox]

Diaphragmatic breathing has nothing to do w/the register ur singing in. U should ALWAYS be breathing from the diaphragm. The register or voice has to do w/the adduction of the cords, the use of air & where the sound resonates. I think a lot of people get this mixed up. They assume that if ur singing in chest voice, u must be breathing in the chest (ie diaphragm) whereas if ur singing in head voice, u must be breathing through ur nose?????

Here's an article from that same site about diaphragmatic breathing that might help u understand this:

http://www.vocalist.org.uk/breathing_exercises.html

Falsetto is a breathy artificial sound when men use it which sounds like a woman's voice (eg Bee Gees). The cords vibrate but they dont fully adduct (close). Breathing is even more important in falsetto than in any other voice.

Isn't the diaphragm still slightly used while singing in head voice, as opposed to falsetto where it's not used at all, hence the complete lack of power and loss of the richer tone in that register.

[JH'sTXfan]

Out of all the legitimate Journey tribute singers I've heard, I think Hugo is by far the worst.

Agreed. He's creeps me out singing Journey music.

I don't particularly care for him singing Journey either, but I do like him a lot on other material. He does have a soft voice, but I like it. Similar to SA, I was dissatisfied with Arrival because his volume was too low. They could have done more with the volume to enhance his voice. He deserved that.

[Món]

It's funny you look and see who else is singing this tune On youtube ....Steve ps version of course is killin them !! The Evolution guy well he's ok ...but for looks he's dead on ....tribute way to go lol...but Deen C his version ...kicks ass they should've ran with him....even if he didn't want the lead ...he could've done it!

I used to think that same thing, but then I realized he doesn't want the gig 'cause the band would've fire his ass as soon as they blew up his voice too!

[Món]

That is a slap in the face to females everywhere and I will not be quiet.

Here is a big ole' fucking news flash for you.

There is plenty happening in the world right now that can make any intelligent woman pissy.

When a strong woman stands up for what she believes (and it does not include kissing your ass) some people always say "must be that time of the month"

When a man speaks out, he gets "yo bro - tell it like it is" "I got your back" "chillin' a cold one for you"

Stop it.

So basically, you're saying that a man should keep his mouth shut if it's a female the one who calls him "ignorant" and "stupid"? Thumbs up to you too.

[treetopovskaya]

here's a good singer for journey. }:C)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

[ArnelRox]

I still don't see where I stated that you didn't have an opinion.

I still dont see where I said that u said I didnt have an opinion. However, ur statement clearly imply that I am not entitled to have one & that is what I said.

It says "pat on the head" or "condescence". Your choice. Classic reaction from an uptight individual. There will be no other Steve Perry. We all know that. Even Steve Perry.

It does not say that at all. But obviously u have difficulty reading based on many of ur other misinterpretations today. Uptight me? Hardly. Ask anyone here that knows me.

The way you react, for starters.

Oh pray tell, if I was single would I react differently?

Ur the one doing all the "reacting" anyway. Or should I say OVER-reacting? Just b/c I didnt think ur pick was note perfect.

Don't ACT like him. And who the fuck is Marcel?.

Oh yeah I act like Irving Azoff? Ha ha ha. I wish I had his money.

Marcel is Jeff's bandmate from Talisman. He wrote a blog on MySpace about this entire situation.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fusea ... =277771188

I suppose u havent read Brian May's blog about it either? Please don't ask me who the fuck he is!

Please.

U are truly sick.

Fuck BT. You called me ignorant and stupid. What's the name of that happy planet you live in, where those are not insults?

Where did I say u were stupid? Point it out. I called ur comeback that "I should audition for Journey" stupid. It was. Especially b/c I had just said I would never sing Journey songs.

I did call u ignorant. U are. Ur comment about the "time of the month" was completely ignorant. It was not an insult, but a statement of fact.

You're crazy.

Perhaps. But WTF are u?

[Món]

Out of laziness, I will just ask one question here (you have more exits than an old fence, so...):

Are you comparing this guy Marcel to Brian May? :lol:

Sorry, lady. The sick-o-meter points other way than mine.

[ArnelRox]

Out of laziness, I will just ask one question here (you have more exits than an old fence, so...):

Are you comparing this guy Marcel to Brian May? :lol:

Sorry, lady. The sick-o-meter points other way than mine.

No I'm not comparing Marcel to Brian. Just suggesting u read Marcel's blog. One is a bass player, the other a guitar player. Why would u even ask that? I just think u should read Marcel's blog since u asked about Journey having already chosen a replacement singer.

Sorry but ur comment about "time of the month" points sicko right in ur face. As Brian May said "own ur own poo".

[larocque6689]

Marcel and Jeff met many years ago working for another amazing egocentric guitarist Yngwie J. Malmsteen.

It would be great to find a clip of Gates of Babylon from Yngwie's tribute album. JSS was something else. I AM A VIKING.

[Món]

No I'm not comparing Marcel to Brian. Just suggesting u read Marcel's blog. One is a bass player, the other a guitar player. Why would u even ask that?

I was talking about "fame" levels, but that obviously went over your head.

Now, is this guy Marcel an authority big enough to tell what's REALLY going on, or just another opinion?

Sorry but ur comment about "time of the month" points sicko right in ur face. As Brian May said "own ur own poo".

Whatever. Nice and smart way to dust that "ignorant" and "stupid" chip off your shoulder.

[Rick]

Good lord people, easy with the name calling, is any of this crap that important?

[ArnelRox]

I was talking about "fame" levels, but that obviously went over your head.

Now, is this guy Marcel an authority big enough to tell what's REALLY going on, or just another opinion?

Fame level? No they dont have the same fame level internationally. The reason that "went over my head" was b/c it wasnt clear in ur post. Sorry I dont read minds, just words.

Is he an authority to tell about this? Yes. He was w/Jeff when it happened & experienced much of it.

Whatever. Nice and smart way to dust that "ignorant" and "stupid" chip off your shoulder.

Which I said AFTER u made those rude ignorant stupid completely uncalled for comments. Nice way to try to paint me as the bad guy.

[ArnelRox]

Good lord people, easy with the name calling, is any of this crap that important?

I'm not name calling Rick. This Mon person is.

[Món]

Fame level? No they dont have the same fame level internationally. The reason that "went over my head" was b/c it wasnt clear in ur post. Sorry I dont read minds, just words.

Me neither.

Is he an authority to tell about this? Yes. He was w/Jeff when it happened & experienced much of it.

Ok. I've read it. Quite a bummer. Poor Jeff.

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Which I said AFTER u made those rude ignorant stupid completely uncalled for comments. Nice way to try to paint me as the bad guy.

Wrong. look it up. If you're talking 'bout the "time of the month" thing, of course.

I don't usually start shit. I REACT to it.

You're clearly a bad tempered, uptight know-it-all. I didn't make you that way. Don't unleash your dogs on me.

Woops! Sorry! Did I call you names again?

[ArnelRox]

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Which I said AFTER u made those rude ignorant stupid completely uncalled for comments. Nice way to try to paint me as the bad guy.

Wrong. look it up. If you're talking 'bout the "time of the month" thing, of course.

U look it up. I called u ignorant AFTER ur "time of the month" thing. I referred to u saying I should audition for Journey as a "stupid comeback" before that, yes. But it WAS a stupid comeback. I didnt call u stupid. Just ur comeback.

I don't usually start shit. I REACT to it.

Could have fooled me today. I didnt start ANY shit here. U did.

You're clearly a bad tempered, uptight know-it-all. I didn't make you that way. Don't unleash your dogs on me.

Woops! Sorry! Did I call you names again?

Ur the one who unleashed anything. Anyone reading this thread can see that. Me? Bad-tempered uptight? Not even close. I'm not even a know-it-all. However, I admit that I may have seemed this way w/my descriptions of voice registers in this thread.

[Món]

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Which I said AFTER u made those rude ignorant stupid completely uncalled for comments. Nice way to try to paint me as the bad guy.

Wrong. look it up. If you're talking 'bout the "time of the month" thing, of course.

U look it up. I called u ignorant AFTER ur "time of the month" thing. I referred to u saying I should audition for Journey as a "stupid comeback" before that, yes. But it WAS a stupid comeback. I didnt call u stupid. Just ur comeback.

OK:

U put him up for Journey & stated ur opinion. Why is is "over-criticizing" for me to state mine? Kinda unfair of u isnt it? He's not perfect I'm sure he'd admit that. I dont know why I bother when there are ignorant people like u who think it's ok for u to give ur opinion, but that's the ONLY opinion allowed. Next time be sure to say that NO opinions other than urs are allowed in ur thread & good luck w/that, ok!

I already said I wouldn't even attempt to sing Journey songs. What a stupid comeback!

If your opinion is that he's not right for the band, that's OK.

You took the guy's performance on a VERY difficult song (that your average Joe would NEVER sing like this) and tore it apart. The guy's not perfect by any means, but he's VERY GOOD.

If you think that chick's performance is better than his, that's YOUR opinion (which I DO NOT share). Besides, SW is a walk in the park, compared to MF. But I guess you already knew that, having perfect pitch.

The origin of this thread is giving another option for the band. And yes, I do think this guy could do the job, with proper training and such.

Must be that time of the month for you.

BURN.

[ArnelRox]

Ok u win on this point. Ur right as to when I said that. I did say "ignorant people like u who think it's ok for u to give ur opinion". For the record, ur attacks on me prior to that point justified that. It is ignorant to be rude to someone w/an opinion that doesnt perfectly agree w/urs.

Look up the definition of ignorant:

http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=ignorant

S: (adj) ignorant, unknowledgeable, unknowing, unwitting (unaware because of a lack of relevant information or knowledge) "he was completely ignorant of the circumstances"; "an unknowledgeable assistant"; "his rudeness was unwitting"

U were rude to me, just b/c I constructively critiqued the singer u like. Ur rudeness was unwitting. So my comment was deserved.

Now please stop this. If ur singer reads this, he will be embarassed to have u as a fan.

[Món]

Don't give me that dictionary crap.

Someone calls you "ignorant" and you'll ruffle your feathers to that person.

You fucked up. Pure and simple. Do you want me to look up the definition for "uptight" and "know-it-all"?

Funny that you're the only one saying that about "my singer". He's no longer the issue here, so lose your grip already.

Burn some more.

[RedWingFan]

Now please stop this. If ur singer reads this, he will be embarassed to have u as a fan.

You're on fire tonight JR. Remember to save some for Fyre when he comes back

[ArnelRox]

Give it up already. Or do u really need the last word that badly?

Don't give me that dictionary crap.

Someone calls you "ignorant" and you'll ruffle your feathers to that person.

You fucked up. Pure and simple. Do you want me to look up the definition for "uptight" and "know-it-all"?

Funny that you're the only one saying that about "my singer". He's no longer the issue here, so lose your grip already.

Burn some more.

[Deb]

here's a good singer for journey. }:C)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

Damn straight! F*ckin idiots!

[Rick]

here's a good singer for journey. }:C)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDtHpo3I5vc

Damn straight! F*ckin idiots!

I couldn't agree more. Jeff worked so hard to get the right vocal sound for Journey, after he saved their dying asses last July, and they repay him like that. That's just incredible. I'll be pissed for a long time over that.