OT - Terrorist act in Scotland

[conversationpc]

I had no problem with going after the Taliban and Al Queda. At that point, Dumbya had the support of the world. We should have stayed on target instead of getting bogged down in this never ending clusterfuck that we are involved in now. We have not achieved anything in Iraq that in any way justifies the cost in blood and resources.

So I guess we should just pull out now then? The cost if we do that is going to be a whole hell of a lot higher down the road than what we are paying right now.

Talk cost to the people who have lost loved ones over there! I'm sure it's not on the top of their list of issues. My husband has been in Tikrit for 8 months. His unit just lost a 26 year old. Bush is a fuckwad. IMO
Don't mean to offend this is just a very hot issue with me!

Sorry, the discrespect towards the President just ticks me off. As bad I think Clinton is, I would no more consider disrespecting him as I would Bush, and these days there is not a lot that Bush has done that I agree with.

[DSHinMICH]

I had no problem with going after the Taliban and Al Queda. At that point, Dumbya had the support of the world. We should have stayed on target instead of getting bogged down in this never ending clusterfuck that we are involved in now. We have not achieved anything in Iraq that in any way justifies the cost in blood and resources.

So I guess we should just pull out now then? The cost if we do that is going to be a whole hell of a lot higher down the road than what we are paying right now.

Talk cost to the people who have lost loved ones over there! I'm sure it's not on the top of their list of issues. My husband has been in Tikrit for 8 months. His unit just lost a 26 year old. Bush is a fuckwad. IMO
Don't mean to offend this is just a very hot issue with me!

Sorry, the discrespect towards the President just ticks me off. As bad I think Clinton is, I would no more consider disrespecting him as I would Bush, and these days there is not a lot that Bush has done that I agree with.

No more disrespect. Sorry!

[conversationpc]

I had no problem with going after the Taliban and Al Queda. At that point, Dumbya had the support of the world. We should have stayed on target instead of getting bogged down in this never ending clusterfuck that we are involved in now. We have not achieved anything in Iraq that in any way justifies the cost in blood and resources.

So I guess we should just pull out now then? The cost if we do that is going to be a whole hell of a lot higher down the road than what we are paying right now.

Talk cost to the people who have lost loved ones over there! I'm sure it's not on the top of their list of issues. My husband has been in Tikrit for 8 months. His unit just lost a 26 year old. Bush is a fuckwad. IMO
Don't mean to offend this is just a very hot issue with me!

Sorry, the discrespect towards the President just ticks me off. As bad I think Clinton is, I would no more consider disrespecting him as I would Bush, and these days there is not a lot that Bush has done that I agree with.

No more disrespect. Sorry!

Now disrespecting another member of this forum is another story. THAT's all in good fun.

[DSHinMICH]

Ok PC! I will see what I can do but I should probably wait til I've been here awhile hey?

[Crazie Scarab]

Unfortunately, the media in the U.S. does not believe there is a real war going on, and as such, they have convinced enough of our population that there is nothing to worry about.

It is obvious to me that we have not been hit hard enough yet.

What "media" are YOU watching? Every time I turn on the news, be it CNN or Fox or anything in between, this is all I hear about. *Well, that an certain Heiress's jail time...but believe me, there is no shortage of cover on the so-called "War on Terror". Just because people aren't running around in a panic and are simply getting on with the business of their lives doesn't mean we are uninformed. What would you have us do?

The media and those on the left want us to pull out of Iraq, do they not? I sense the media and the left do not take the effort to eradicate terrorists and terrorism seriously, simply by watching their actions and listening to their comments. They would rather simply react to it and somehow control it. Which of course, will never end it.

Yep. That war in Iraq is doing a lot of good.
I hate to point it out to the bumper sticker patriots out there. But, George W. Bush has more American blood on his hands as the result of this bullshit war than any terrorist organization. 3,588 dead Americans in Iraq alone. That is not to mention the number of dead Iraqis. But, they don't count, do they? Those 70,000 or so dead brown people. I am sure they were all insurgents or Al Queda. At the very least, they were probably Muslims and I suppose it is us against them. Yes sir! Your heroic president has more blood on his hands than anyone in this hemisphere. And for what? Do you believe that we are any safer today then they were on September 10, 2001? It will not be long and there will be another attack on U.S. soil. I wonder what the coward in chief (and his chickenhawk supporters) will have to say then?

Fair point - but Bush had to be seen to go after someone - what i never understood was why an act perpetrated by an arabic group resulted in a war against a muslim group. I no longer believe ANY news channel.

I had no problem with going after the Taliban and Al Queda. At that point, Dumbya had the support of the world. We should have stayed on target instead of getting bogged down in this never ending clusterfuck that we are involved in now. We have not achieved anything in Iraq that in any way justifies the cost in blood and resources.

You know, this is pointless. Those of you who are against what is going on in Iraq are conveniently forgetting many facts behind why we are there in the first place and what led up to it. Let alone remembering who all voted to go there in the first place.

We can all believe what we want. However, it is those of us who don't ignore all the facts who are more involved & engaged with the truth surrounding this whole topic. I refuse to get caught up in the emotional thought process that seems to always play a big part in the opinions of some about what's actually going on there.

Carry on.

[MJM1959]

3,588 dead Americans in Iraq alone.

That's pretty good when the media was predicting the U.S. needing 10,000 bodybags to take Baghdad isn't it?

That is not to mention the number of dead Iraqis. But, they don't count, do they? Those 70,000 or so dead brown people.

You mean the brown people who risked their lives to vote in a real election and celebrated, as their fingers are dyed blue? Why don't you care about them. I rejoiced for them. Where'd you get the 70,000 number? The same media who came up with the 10,000?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

That ius where I came up with 70,000 dead Iraqis. Not to mention the estimated millions who have fled their country. Spare me the lecture concerning the purple ink. Electing a government is meaningless unless it can produce results. What results can the Iraqi government hang their hat on t odemonstrate that they are in any way effective?

[conversationpc]

Spare me the lecture concerning the purple ink. Electing a government is meaningless unless it can produce results. What results can the Iraqi government hang their hat on t odemonstrate that they are in any way effective?

Most of the mainstream media hasn't been reporting on the successes they are having in Iraq. This is one complaint that most of our troops over there have had, that our media concentrates on the bad instead of the good that is happening there.

There is more electricity to a wider area of the country than previous to the war. Education is more widely available. Hospitals are more widely available. Other than the relatively few problem areas, freedom is enjoyed by more people than ever before in Iraq. Technology in general is far more widely available than ever. Iraqi security forces continue to take over more of the workload to keep their country safe.

Don't mistake this argument as support for everything we're doing in Iraq because it isn't, but to say that there are no major results is just plain uninformed.

[MJM1959]

I had no problem with going after the Taliban and Al Queda. At that point, Dumbya had the support of the world. We should have stayed on target instead of getting bogged down in this never ending clusterfuck that we are involved in now. We have not achieved anything in Iraq that in any way justifies the cost in blood and resources.

So I guess we should just pull out now then? The cost if we do that is going to be a whole hell of a lot higher down the road than what we are paying right now.

And just how do you justify that statement? How is the cost going to be higher? What are you so afraid of? This is no longer the home of the brave. This country is turning into a bunch of bedwetting pansies that are scared shitless of a bunch of semi-organized religious fanatics that believe in a 14th century theocracy. Excuse me if I do not shit myself at the thought of anyone who is stupid enough to wrap explosives around themselves and blow themselves up. But if that is what you dig. Feel free to cower everytime you see someone of middle eastern decent glance your way. If you really want to be afraid. Just take a look at the evening news. We got people here killing each other for no reason at all. We have people driving two ton SUVs while using their GPS, talking on the phone and eating lunch. Damn, it you want to really take a serious look at the ways that you can get killed, terrorism is pretty far down on the list.

As far as pulling out of Iraq. Yeah, I am pretty much for it. Perhaps not a complete withdrawal. But, it is way past time to place the majority of the responsibility on the Iraqi people to begin to secure their own country. It has been over four years that we have been bogged down in that dump. Four freaking years and we have yet to secure Baghdad! Four years and we cannot secure one city! How bloody long do you think we should stay! HOw many dead young Americans do you think is enough before we think about getting the hell out of there? I do not know about you. But I think that these American service men and women who have lost their lives had more to give to this world than losing their lives for an elective war. For one, their tax dollars could have been used to pay back the Chinese. You remember them, the guys who keep lending this country money so that it can pay for this sandy money pit. Almost a half a trillion dollars later and whatdo we have to show for it?

Dean Americans, dead Iraqi, hundreds of billions of dollars down the toilet. Hey, this war is a fucking great idea.

[MJM1959]

I had no problem with going after the Taliban and Al Queda. At that point, Dumbya had the support of the world. We should have stayed on target instead of getting bogged down in this never ending clusterfuck that we are involved in now. We have not achieved anything in Iraq that in any way justifies the cost in blood and resources.

So I guess we should just pull out now then? The cost if we do that is going to be a whole hell of a lot higher down the road than what we are paying right now.

Talk cost to the people who have lost loved ones over there! I'm sure it's not on the top of their list of issues. My husband has been in Tikrit for 8 months. His unit just lost a 26 year old. Bush is a fuckwad. IMO
Don't mean to offend this is just a very hot issue with me!

Sorry, the discrespect towards the President just ticks me off. As bad I think Clinton is, I would no more consider disrespecting him as I would Bush, and these days there is not a lot that Bush has done that I agree with.

Sorry. But respect is earned not blindly given to a rank or title. I spent too much time in the military working for officers who did not have a clue. Very much like our current president.
Who, if he and my dog were crossing the street and were about to be hit by a speeding bus. And I only had time to save one... Well, sorry Mr. President. You lose.

[conversationpc]

Who, if he and my dog were crossing the street and were about to be hit by a speeding bus. And I only had time to save one... Well, sorry Mr. President. You lose.

The time when a human life would be less valuable than a dog is the time when you become as subhuman as you seem to think President Bush is.

[NealIsGod]

Who, if he and my dog were crossing the street and were about to be hit by a speeding bus. And I only had time to save one... Well, sorry Mr. President. You lose.

The time when a human life would be less valuable than a dog is the time when you become as subhuman as you seem to think President Bush is.

Well, true, but if you could choose for a dog to live or Saddam Hussein, Hitler, etc., who would you choose?

[conversationpc]

Who, if he and my dog were crossing the street and were about to be hit by a speeding bus. And I only had time to save one... Well, sorry Mr. President. You lose.

The time when a human life would be less valuable than a dog is the time when you become as subhuman as you seem to think President Bush is.

Well, true, but if you could choose for a dog to live or Saddam Hussein, Hitler, etc., who would you choose?

Well, since those guys are guilty of murder, I'd save them, hoping that the dog would avoid the bus altogether and that the trial for one of the above would be short and the punishment would be more painful than getting killed by a bus.

[X factor]

I had no problem with going after the Taliban and Al Queda. At that point, Dumbya had the support of the world. We should have stayed on target instead of getting bogged down in this never ending clusterfuck that we are involved in now. We have not achieved anything in Iraq that in any way justifies the cost in blood and resources.

So I guess we should just pull out now then? The cost if we do that is going to be a whole hell of a lot higher down the road than what we are paying right now.

And just how do you justify that statement? How is the cost going to be higher? What are you so afraid of? This is no longer the home of the brave. This country is turning into a bunch of bedwetting pansies that are scared shitless of a bunch of semi-organized religious fanatics that believe in a 14th century theocracy. Excuse me if I do not shit myself at the thought of anyone who is stupid enough to wrap explosives around themselves and blow themselves up. But if that is what you dig. Feel free to cower everytime you see someone of middle eastern decent glance your way. If you really want to be afraid. Just take a look at the evening news. We got people here killing each other for no reason at all. We have people driving two ton SUVs while using their GPS, talking on the phone and eating lunch. Damn, it you want to really take a serious look at the ways that you can get killed, terrorism is pretty far down on the list.



As far as pulling out of Iraq. Yeah, I am pretty much for it. Perhaps not a complete withdrawal. But, it is way past time to place the majority of the responsibility on the Iraqi people to begin to secure their own country. It has been over four years that we have been bogged down in that dump. Four freaking years and we have yet to secure Baghdad! Four years and we cannot secure one city! How bloody long do you think we should stay! HOw many dead young Americans do you think is enough before we think about getting the hell out of there? I do not know about you. But I think that these American service men and women who have lost their lives had more to give to this world than losing their lives for an elective war. For one, their tax dollars could have been used to pay back the Chinese. You remember them, the guys who keep lending this country money so that it can pay for this sandy money pit. Almost a half a trillion dollars later and whatdo we have to show for it?

Dean Americans, dead Iraqi, hundreds of billions of dollars down the toilet. Hey, this war is a fucking great idea.

I like you man! You're my voice of reason around here.

[MJM1959]

Who, if he and my dog were crossing the street and were about to be hit by a speeding bus. And I only had time to save one... Well, sorry Mr. President. You lose.

The time when a human life would be less valuable than a dog is the time when you become as subhuman as you seem to think President Bush is.

Oh gee... that hurts. I may have to go cry now.

But if you want to talk about reverence for human life. The numbers do not lie. George W Bush. Personally responsible for the death of over 3,900 (and counting) American soldiers and seventy thousand dead Iraqis. Purple ink notwithstanding, the man is death on two legs! Unless you are counting stem cells. Then he gets all squishy on us.

And the next time you want to go all Tony Snow on me and recite the party line. I suggest you do a little research outside of the realm of Faux News.

Some recommended cyber-reading as written by Iraqis.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
http://gorillasguides.com/

And some current hardbound volumes I have read that document the incompetency of this administration.

Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War
Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone
The Iraq Study Group Report: The Way Forward - A New Approach
Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq
Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq
State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration
Chain of Command : The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib

[Behshad]

Here's how you can justify exactly how much respect Mr Bush deserves:












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[conversationpc]

Oh gee... that hurts. I may have to go cry now.

But if you want to talk about reverence for human life. The numbers do not lie. George W Bush. Personally responsible for the death of over 3,900 (and counting) American soldiers and seventy thousand dead Iraqis. Purple ink notwithstanding, the man is death on two legs! Unless you are counting stem cells. Then he gets all squishy on us.

And the next time you want to go all Tony Snow on me and recite the party line. I suggest you do a little research outside of the realm of Faux News.

Some recommended cyber-reading as written by Iraqis.

http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/
http://gorillasguides.com/

And some current hardbound volumes I have read that document the incompetency of this administration.

Hubris: The Inside Story of Spin, Scandal, and the Selling of the Iraq War
Imperial Life in the Emerald City: Inside Iraq's Green Zone
The Iraq Study Group Report: The Way Forward - A New Approach
Cobra II: The Inside Story of the Invasion and Occupation of Iraq
Fiasco: The American Military Adventure in Iraq
State of War: The Secret History of the CIA and the Bush Administration
Chain of Command : The Road from 9/11 to Abu Ghraib

Typical newbie BS. If you bothered to read my posts, you might have noticed that I said I do not support every decision made by this administration, but in typical hardline liberal fashion, you pass right over that. Why, even support of just one Bush policy MUST mean that the individual doing so is a goose-stepping, wide-eyed, Republican myrmadon who takes their marching orders directly from the Republican party.

Just so you can understand where I'm coming from...Bush has been a colossal failure in leading the war on terror. He hasn't a clue how to fight it. His spending initiatives are eventually going to burden down the economy. His position on border security is dangerous and clueless. Amongst other policies, these are just a few that I am at severe odds with the current President over.

What I take exception to is the liberal talking head puppets who label Bush as a terrorist, murderer, and liar. This does nothing but make them look like uninformed morons. Whether we should have gone into Iraq in the first place is a moot issue now. We're there. We need to take care of business and get the hell out of there AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME. Pulling out too soon, in my opinion, is only going to create more of a problem than we currently have. If Bush would get over the politically correct decisions his administration is making and actually fight the war to win, that date would be sooner rather than later. Unfortunately, I fear it is going to be later.

[NealIsGod]

But if you want to talk about reverence for human life. The numbers do not lie. George W Bush. Personally responsible for the death of over 3,900 (and counting) American soldiers and seventy thousand dead Iraqis. Purple ink notwithstanding, the man is death on two legs! Unless you are counting stem cells. Then he gets all squishy on us.

Yeah, that's fucked up. We need a progressive, open-minded president, not a religious extremist.

[RedWingFan]

But if you want to talk about reverence for human life. The numbers do not lie. George W Bush. Personally responsible for the death of over 3,900 (and counting) American soldiers and seventy thousand dead Iraqis. Purple ink notwithstanding, the man is death on two legs! Unless you are counting stem cells. Then he gets all squishy on us.

Yeah, that's fucked up. We need a progressive, open-minded president, not a religious extremist.

Yeah, like John Edwards said, "If John Kerry is elected president, Christopher Reeve will walk again"

[conversationpc]

But if you want to talk about reverence for human life. The numbers do not lie. George W Bush. Personally responsible for the death of over 3,900 (and counting) American soldiers and seventy thousand dead Iraqis. Purple ink notwithstanding, the man is death on two legs! Unless you are counting stem cells. Then he gets all squishy on us.

Yeah, that's fucked up. We need a progressive, open-minded president, not a religious extremist.

Yeah, like John Edwards said, "If John Kerry is elected president, Christopher Reeve will walk again"

Edwards. Now THERE is a wacko.

[Behshad]

Here's a simple math to figure out how fucked up the situation is:

Saddam killed X people each year.We went to Iraq, to put an end to it and free the Iraqis.
Saddam is dead now, yet X people die each year in Iraq, only this time some of those getting killed are
Americans. Is it really worth it for us to sacrifice our own sons and daughters lives, just so no Iraqi dies!?

Its like throwing your own kid in front of the car goin fast in your neighbourhood, just so it doesnt hit the neighbours kid.

[MJM1959]

Some more light reading for any and all Iraq war supporters;

Iraq Violence - Monitoring the Surge http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6273378.stm
Baghdad Killings Rise Sharply - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6272624.stm
and last but not least, something to counter the "fight them over there" crowd Hyping Al Quaida - http://www.slate.com/id/2166974/

Read and enjoy.

[RedWingFan]

Some more light reading for any and all Iraq war supporters;

Iraq Violence - Monitoring the Surge http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6273378.stm
Baghdad Killings Rise Sharply - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6272624.stm
and last but not least, something to counter the "fight them over there" crowd Hyping Al Quaida - http://www.slate.com/id/2166974/

Read and enjoy.

Baghdad killings June 2006 = 1000
Baghdad killings June 2007 = 540

[conversationpc]

Some more light reading for any and all Iraq war supporters;

Iraq Violence - Monitoring the Surge http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6273378.stm
Baghdad Killings Rise Sharply - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6272624.stm
and last but not least, something to counter the "fight them over there" crowd Hyping Al Quaida - http://www.slate.com/id/2166974/

Read and enjoy.

Boy, there are some really non-partisan reports, huh?

[RedWingFan]

Some more light reading for any and all Iraq war supporters;

Iraq Violence - Monitoring the Surge http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6273378.stm
Baghdad Killings Rise Sharply - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6272624.stm
and last but not least, something to counter the "fight them over there" crowd Hyping Al Quaida - http://www.slate.com/id/2166974/

Read and enjoy.

"First, the vast majority of the insurgents have nothing to do with al-Qaida or its ideology. They're combatants in a sectarian conflict for power in Iraq, and they have neither the means nor the desire to threaten North America."

Does this editorialist or the media really know who the insurgents are????? Hmmm.... oh yeah, they must know cuz the media promised the terrorists "a fair shake" in return for video of snipers taking out a few of our soldiers.

[X factor]

Some more light reading for any and all Iraq war supporters;

Iraq Violence - Monitoring the Surge http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6273378.stm
Baghdad Killings Rise Sharply - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6272624.stm
and last but not least, something to counter the "fight them over there" crowd Hyping Al Quaida - http://www.slate.com/id/2166974/

Read and enjoy.

"First, the vast majority of the insurgents have nothing to do with al-Qaida or its ideology. They're combatants in a sectarian conflict for power in Iraq, and they have neither the means nor the desire to threaten North America."

Does this editorialist or the media really know who the insurgents are????? Hmmm.... oh yeah, they must know cuz the media promised the terrorists "a fair shake" in return for video of snipers taking out a few of our soldiers.

Sure...kinda like the vast majority of Americans realize that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11, right?

[chf34jmac]

Wasn't gonna weigh in on this because there is NO changing a zealot's mind. But here are a few facts as to who actually led us to where we currently are. They are Facts and cannot be disputed by either party.

1. 1993 World Trade Center Bombing (President Clinton) Mastermind in U.S. captured and tried. Actual Bombers still at large. Bin Laden runs free.
2. U.S. Embassy bombed (President Clinton) Reaction "We're looking into it" Bin Laden runs free.
3. U.S.S. Cole Bombing (President Clinton) Again "We're looking into it" Bin Laden continues to run free.
4. Foreign country has Bin Laden in custody - offers him to U.S. for prosecution. President Clinton refuses. Bin Laden runs free. Bill gets blow Job in Oval Office.
5. President Clinton threatens Saddam for his entire two terms about removing weapons of mass destruction. Hussein stals and moves stuff around to avoid UN inspectors. Clinton does nothing.

Now onto a couple of facts that the media did not tell you about Iraq.
1. The vast majority of people are glad to have us there. Not all yelling "Death to America" as media and Democrats would have us believe. This told to me by friends I have in the military who have been there.
2. There were 500 warheads full of Ricin found in the desert. Newspaper buried it to a page six. God forbid they have to admit something was found. (Do some research on this, only the NY Times ever ran the story. Ironic knowing how many thousands of Newspapers there are throughout the country.)


Now I have said this many time in these very same discussion on these boards with other people. I do not subscribe to either Party. As far as I'm concerned they are all bullshitters and liars. Career politicians are far worse, they are scumbags to boot.

[RedWingFan]

Some more light reading for any and all Iraq war supporters;

Iraq Violence - Monitoring the Surge http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6273378.stm
Baghdad Killings Rise Sharply - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6272624.stm
and last but not least, something to counter the "fight them over there" crowd Hyping Al Quaida - http://www.slate.com/id/2166974/

Read and enjoy.

"First, the vast majority of the insurgents have nothing to do with al-Qaida or its ideology. They're combatants in a sectarian conflict for power in Iraq, and they have neither the means nor the desire to threaten North America."

Does this editorialist or the media really know who the insurgents are????? Hmmm.... oh yeah, they must know cuz the media promised the terrorists "a fair shake" in return for video of snipers taking out a few of our soldiers.

Sure...kinda like the vast majority of Americans realize that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11, right?

That's not why we went in. Hussein's violations of UN resolutions along with statements made by congressional politicians and the previous administration in the White House made Iraq the easiest target. But if it makes you feel better thinking it was cuz of some missing link between 9-11 and Iraq? Go ahead.

[RedWingFan]

Wasn't gonna weigh in on this because there is NO changing a zealot's mind. But here are a few facts as to who actually led us to where we currently are. They are Facts and cannot be disputed by either party.

1. 1993 World Trade Center Bombing (President Clinton) Mastermind in U.S. captured and tried. Actual Bombers still at large. Bin Laden runs free.
2. U.S. Embassy bombed (President Clinton) Reaction "We're looking into it" Bin Laden runs free.
3. U.S.S. Cole Bombing (President Clinton) Again "We're looking into it" Bin Laden continues to run free.
4. Foreign country has Bin Laden in custody - offers him to U.S. for prosecution. President Clinton refuses. Bin Laden runs free. Bill gets blow Job in Oval Office.
5. President Clinton threatens Saddam for his entire two terms about removing weapons of mass destruction. Hussein stals and moves stuff around to avoid UN inspectors. Clinton does nothing.

Now onto a couple of facts that the media did not tell you about Iraq.
1. The vast majority of people are glad to have us there. Not all yelling "Death to America" as media and Democrats would have us believe. This told to me by friends I have in the military who have been there.
2. There were 500 warheads full of Ricin found in the desert. Newspaper buried it to a page six. God forbid they have to admit something was found. (Do some research on this, only the NY Times ever ran the story. Ironic knowing how many thousands of Newspapers there are throughout the country.)


Now I have said this many time in these very same discussion on these boards with other people. I do not subscribe to either Party. As far as I'm concerned they are all bullshitters and liars. Career politicians are far worse, they are scumbags to boot.

Great post Chief. I agree with you about politicians. I want them as far out of my life as possible. I don't want them in charge of my health care. I shouldn't be forced to fund failing schools where I refuse to send my kid. Gov't should be returned to defending the borders and national security like the founders envisioned. I'm sure they're are some decent politicians, I just wouldn't wager a dime on any being decent.

[conversationpc]

Great post Chief. I agree with you about politicians. I want them as far out of my life as possible. I don't want them in charge of my health care. I shouldn't be forced to fund failing schools where I refuse to send my kid. Gov't should be returned to defending the borders and national security like the founders envisioned. I'm sure they're are some decent politicians, I just wouldn't wager a dime on any being decent.

If the last few months, if not years, has taught us anything, it's that neither Democrats OR Republicans can be trusted. I would strongly urge anyone to register as an Independent and leave both of the other major parties.

[X factor]

Some more light reading for any and all Iraq war supporters;

Iraq Violence - Monitoring the Surge http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6273378.stm
Baghdad Killings Rise Sharply - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6272624.stm
and last but not least, something to counter the "fight them over there" crowd Hyping Al Quaida - http://www.slate.com/id/2166974/

Read and enjoy.

"First, the vast majority of the insurgents have nothing to do with al-Qaida or its ideology. They're combatants in a sectarian conflict for power in Iraq, and they have neither the means nor the desire to threaten North America."

Does this editorialist or the media really know who the insurgents are????? Hmmm.... oh yeah, they must know cuz the media promised the terrorists "a fair shake" in return for video of snipers taking out a few of our soldiers.

Sure...kinda like the vast majority of Americans realize that Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9-11, right?

That's not why we went in. Hussein's violations of UN resolutions along with statements made by congressional politicians and the previous administration in the White House made Iraq the easiest target. But if it makes you feel better thinking it was cuz of some missing link between 9-11 and Iraq? Go ahead.

No, no...don't get me wrong. I was being sarcastic . I KNOW 9/11 had nothing to do with it. However, I feel that the vast percentage of Americans who still support this war believe it is somehow an extension of our "war on terror" that (rightfully) began in Afghanastan. I'm well aware that there is absolute zero connection between Sept. 11 and the war in Iraq. I only wish others in this country were as well informed.

No, Raider, your assesment of the situation is pretty spot on, imho...