Poor SA. Never saw this clip.

[Voyager]

That was an unofficial website you were banned from. Interesting..

The JourneyMusic.com forum was an unofficial forum?

Back when "Neal and Jon first made the decision to replace Steve Perry.." Yeah.. I believe so.

Figures.

[stevew2]

That was so painful.What concert was that from? I hope it was from North Carolina.I cant imagine him singing again after that.I saw him in Hershey two nights before, he didnt sound that bad.What a crime to ruin such a voice. What a fucking shame!! I hope he got paid well for keeping his mouth shut.Journey blows. Weither thay pushed him,or let him go that far to blow out his voice, it is disgracefull. Any decent band would cancell a gig having there lead singer try to sing like that.I can feel the pain in his throat,trying to sing them songs.Steve Augueri is a good guy,I wish he would have had the balls to say "fuck you" Now Im pissed again

[stevew2]

Does anyone have clips from the Hershey concert?

[stevew2]

Im really pissed again,hearing that. How could they do that!! Assholes!!

[JohnH]

really bad. Thank god for Dean saving the day.

John

[SusieP]

Earlier this year I had sniffles one day, but I was talking fine and when I did my vocal warm up my voice was ok.
But when I went on stage that night my voice started to just go towards the end of the last set.
It became more and more hoarse. I had to continue to the end - the show must go on, and all that but I sounded dreadful. And I felt embarrassed and uncomfortable. Oh the shame of sounding bad and expecting to get paid for my singing. I felt awful. And those last twenty minutes felt like days!

We had four more gigs booked that weekend, but we cancelled them. My voice was under par for the next ten days so we had to cancel the next weekend's gigs too.
We have no other source of income - but we cancelled because I know that singing while my larynx/vocal chords were like that would
A) sound horrid and
B) cause damage.
So do I just lose two weekends work and rest or do I risk damaging my 'golden goose'?
I do not have loads of money in the Bank, and a weekends gigs for us is like a whole week's wage for someone in a 9 to 5.

So we lost the equivalent of two weeks wages because I was ill. But we still cancelled. And we're still not caught up financially because of that loss of wages.
I have access to recording studios in my area, so I could go and record my vocal and I could have mimed those gigs, but I didn't.
I stayed home, feeling lousy but nurturing my throat until the infection and swelling went away.
It isn't rocket science. You have a throat problem, you rest and you fix it before you sing again. That golden throat is precious. If you break your guitar or your drum skins you replace 'em. Can't do it with your throat.

Although I sympathise with SA - because I think there must have been some legal pressure or something hanging over him, and I blame whoever put that pressure on him, but he has to be accountable for some of the blame. I felt embarrassed and uncomfortable singing croakily for about twenty minutes. And I felt bad about cancelling all those gigs, but my throat isn't damaged, and all those venues have booked us again now I'm better.

'Blame' if you want to call it that, falls equally on everyone on the Journey stage and those puppet masters in the wings.

BUT - having said that, everyone can make a bad decision and later regret it.
Thats human nature - what gets me is that certain people seem to continue to make bad decisions. Will they ever learn?

I'm glad Augeri's throat is healed, I really am. And Best of Luck to him in future. Maybe now he can make his own decisions and hopefully HE has learned from past mistakes. Come out and show us what you can do, Steve, but if you get a throat problem again - cancel the gig and get better before you sing again.

[jrnyjetster]

Journey's official website, journeytheband.com did not appear until 1998. So everything else on the net before that time was basically fan based.

[Liam]

Journey's official website, journeytheband.com did not appear until 1998. So everything else on the net before that time was basically fan based.

Don't forget the columbiarecords.com page.

[nikki]

How could they let him go on stage like that!? To me, that's the equivalent of letting a start athlete play while injured. You would think that if Neal and Company were so concerned with money that they would've looked at SA as an investment and at least allowed the man time to rest his voice. This man's voice is his bread & butter.....they took advantage of a dedicated employee, and look what it did to him. I liked Steve. Not as big a fan of his as I am of Jeff's, but he's a good guy and I hope he's doing well and healed up, able to sing again either on his own or for someone who will have a greater appreciation of his talents.

[donnaplease]

Although I think Journey 'the band' and their management team are total assholes, I cannot accept that SA is the 'victim' just because Jeff was screwed over. I'm sure he is a nice guy, and I do believe that pressure was placed on him to continue the charade, BUT as we all said before Jeff's firing, Steve DID get on that stage and perform a fraud to the ticket-buying public. Granted, it now appears obvious (as if it weren't before) that the chain of guilt goes higher than just him, but we (well, I) can't flip that easily. Until I see some concrete evidence that there was a perverbial gun pointed to his head, he is still guilty in my eyes. I don't say any of this to incite an argument, but I just need to keep it all in perspective. We cannot lump every Journey screw up into the same bag.

Having said that, I do wish him well, and I'm glad that his voice has recovered.

[Voyager]

How could they let him go on stage like that!? To me, that's the equivalent of letting a start athlete play while injured. You would think that if Neal and Company were so concerned with money that they would've looked at SA as an investment and at least allowed the man time to rest his voice.

Yeah, okay. They treated him no better than they did Perry. Who cares if he was their ticket to ride? Bad hip, bad throat, it doesn't matter. They'll just dispose of him and find another one.

I wonder if they kick their girlfriends to the curb when they get hurt?

[Skylorde]

I remember when Neal and Jon first made the decision to replace Steve Perry. I was a member of the Journey website forum at the time, and I voiced my disapproval about their decision. In a few short days I was banned from the forum - just because I disagreed.

There was no official forum until 2001, just before Arrival launched. Prior to that, my unofficial forum was likely the most popular. Because I can count on one hand how many people were actually banned from that forum, it's not a stretch to say you weren't one of them.

I think I understand your "pile on" mentality, at least try to be accurate before you do.

[AlienC]

They should have waited for Perry to be ready to tour. Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland waited for Sting to be ready, and look what happened. I just saw The Police three times in the last month - in Vegas, Dodger's Stadium in L.A., and in Saint Louis. There were over 45,000 people at the L.A. show, and for good reason. These guys are smokin! Journey could have done this too... but Neal and Jon had to sellout. What a shame. What could have been is probably ruined now. Sure, Steve Perry may have had to get the guys to tune down a half step for one last killer stadium tour, but at least it would have been The Voice instead of a shredded imitation.

Try a step and a half and more on some songs.
That puts the songs in a different key entirely and , believe me when I tell you, no one liked that.

The intervals are completely different and the songs are quite different sounding. This , I believe , is the main reason SP refused to entertain the notion of completing the TBF project.

[PROPERRY]

They should have waited for Perry to be ready to tour. Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland waited for Sting to be ready, and look what happened. I just saw The Police three times in the last month - in Vegas, Dodger's Stadium in L.A., and in Saint Louis. There were over 45,000 people at the L.A. show, and for good reason. These guys are smokin! Journey could have done this too... but Neal and Jon had to sellout. What a shame. What could have been is probably ruined now. Sure, Steve Perry may have had to get the guys to tune down a half step for one last killer stadium tour, but at least it would have been The Voice instead of a shredded imitation.

Try a step and a half and more on some songs.
That puts the songs in a different key entirely and , believe me when I tell you, no one liked that.

The intervals are completely different and the songs are quite different sounding. This , I believe , is the main reason SP refused to entertain the notion of completing the TBF project.

Well I don't know, if that is how Perry really feels or not, but for ME, Perry can sing those songs in ANY KEY his heart desires, and I would be there to listen, and LOVE "every single note" he sang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides for me , it's not about singing the high notes, it is more about the way he sings with with such "powerful emotion" in his songs that make me just melt!

[*Laura]

They should have waited for Perry to be ready to tour. Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland waited for Sting to be ready, and look what happened. I just saw The Police three times in the last month - in Vegas, Dodger's Stadium in L.A., and in Saint Louis. There were over 45,000 people at the L.A. show, and for good reason. These guys are smokin! Journey could have done this too... but Neal and Jon had to sellout. What a shame. What could have been is probably ruined now. Sure, Steve Perry may have had to get the guys to tune down a half step for one last killer stadium tour, but at least it would have been The Voice instead of a shredded imitation.

Try a step and a half and more on some songs.
That puts the songs in a different key entirely and , believe me when I tell you, no one liked that.

The intervals are completely different and the songs are quite different sounding. This , I believe , is the main reason SP refused to entertain the notion of completing the TBF project.

Well I don't know, if that is how Perry really feels or not, but for ME, Perry can sing those songs in ANY KEY his heart desires, and I would be there to listen, and LOVE "every single note" he sang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides for me , it's not about singing the high notes, it is more about the way he sings with with such "powerful emotion" in his songs that make me just melt!

I think Allen wasn't talking about Perry not sounding good in his lower register...We all know he does.
It's just that technically some songs really aren't ok to be tuned down.Not all,but some would really sound bad.

[RPM]

And this tune from Perry's memphis show to me is a good example of a song
not sounding good with the key change.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY1LSm9K5fI

Ray

[AlienC]

They should have waited for Perry to be ready to tour. Andy Summers and Stewart Copeland waited for Sting to be ready, and look what happened. I just saw The Police three times in the last month - in Vegas, Dodger's Stadium in L.A., and in Saint Louis. There were over 45,000 people at the L.A. show, and for good reason. These guys are smokin! Journey could have done this too... but Neal and Jon had to sellout. What a shame. What could have been is probably ruined now. Sure, Steve Perry may have had to get the guys to tune down a half step for one last killer stadium tour, but at least it would have been The Voice instead of a shredded imitation.

Try a step and a half and more on some songs.
That puts the songs in a different key entirely and , believe me when I tell you, no one liked that.

The intervals are completely different and the songs are quite different sounding. This , I believe , is the main reason SP refused to entertain the notion of completing the TBF project.

Well I don't know, if that is how Perry really feels or not, but for ME, Perry can sing those songs in ANY KEY his heart desires, and I would be there to listen, and LOVE "every single note" he sang!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Besides for me , it's not about singing the high notes, it is more about the way he sings with with such "powerful emotion" in his songs that make me just melt!

I understand that, everyone seems to gloss over the fact that I was a fan first, and an employee second, but HE sure cared about it.
Believe me, whenI tell you how much my heart sank when I realized he was never going to sing those songs again if he wasn't able to sing them in the original key and style.

It apparently was too much to take , no matter who else was disappointed.

[LucyFurr]

I used to bag on Augeri until I joined this forum. I couldnt get over the whole "Perry is gone" thing and was unrightfully comparing this guy to Perry and slamming him. Now, since tapegate, the firing, bringing jeff on, then THAT firing, and all the nice things said about Augeri, I decided to buy Tall Stories and hear him in another light. I liked it, and I'd buy another album of his if one should ever arise.

As far as that clip, it was painfully clear that he was embarrassed up there. He knew he sounded like shit. I dont think at that point he had a say in the matter. I think he was waiting for word from JSS to see if he was gonna get a break. His voice needed to heal. I've been around singers all my life and I know by hearing him, he had already damaged his vocal chords beyone immediate repair. I hope his voice has healed. I hope he can go on, and now, I cant believe I'm saying this...but I'm glad Jeff is out. I'd hate to hear him tear up his voice for "their" legacy.

And as far as Neal not hearing the vocals, BULLSHIT. I call Bullshit on that one. Your telling me that management didnt approach him after each concert as it got worse and worse? RIIIIIIIIGHT. He just doesnt want to take responsibility for being an asshole and squandering our money while leading us to believe Augeri was singing fine.

I am so disappointed in Journey, but three positive things came out of this. 1. Perry kept his name clean. 2. I found a new respect for Augeri, 3. Jeff's name got the mention it needed in the US and he has gained fans that will follow him.

Journey can live in the old world, they will die living in the past.

[TRAGChick]

I am so disappointed in Journey, but three positive things came out of this. 1. Perry kept his name clean. 2. I found a new respect for Augeri, 3. Jeff's name got the mention it needed in the US and he has gained fans that will follow him.

...and there it is.

Don't know about the rest of you, but this sums it all up very nicely for me.

Thanx.

[Playitloudforme]

I cannot give Augeri a get out of jail card on this one. Was he backed up against the wall (NO PUN INTENDED) on this shit? Absolutely. I would have hated to be in his shoes. Knowing that you are screwed either way....

but ya know what... he opted to go with the sham. Free will. Maybe a helluva contract escape penalty and threats and who knows what else, but there's still frickin' free will. Kevin was the puppetmaster and they all knew. They ALL knew...they'd have to know. Therefore the whole gig, the band/management/staff are culpable. JSS gave me a reason to set it aside.

The reason is gone. It would take Perry himself to get me to bother again, and we know that ain't happenin'.

[Wally_Hatchet]

This video pisses me off even more than I already am.

Sometimes, the show can't go on. I can't believe they didn't cancel this show with the condition Steve was in.
Journey are some greedy assholes. I would never allow my band onstage with a lead singer with a voice in that condition - both out of concern for my singer's health and career, and at the very least I would not want to embarass my singer, my band or myself. That is just total greed at it's worst - and it seems they knew SA would be gone after this show and didnt really care about his well-being anyway.

There is no way Neal and Jon couldn't hear what was going on, stage monitors or not. They knew.

Fuck these guys. I'm going to follow SP, SA and JSS.

[Lady Luck]

the clip is from his last night on stage with Journey, July 4th 2006.

That was Raleigh right? The same show where Deen came out front and sang "Faithfully?"

[Eric]

the clip is from his last night on stage with Journey, July 4th 2006.

That was Raleigh right? The same show where Deen came out front and sang "Faithfully?"

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Does anyone have clips of Deen as front man for this show?

[Lady Luck]

the clip is from his last night on stage with Journey, July 4th 2006.

That was Raleigh right? The same show where Deen came out front and sang "Faithfully?"

\

Does anyone have clips of Deen as front man for this show?

Don't have a clip, but I do have a pic. Someone posted it on DL's forum, and of course, I snagged it.

I answered my own question too...it was Raleigh per the file name. LOL

[piecesofeight]

Although I think Journey 'the band' and their management team are total assholes, I cannot accept that SA is the 'victim' just because Jeff was screwed over. I'm sure he is a nice guy, and I do believe that pressure was placed on him to continue the charade, BUT as we all said before Jeff's firing, Steve DID get on that stage and perform a fraud to the ticket-buying public. Granted, it now appears obvious (as if it weren't before) that the chain of guilt goes higher than just him, but we (well, I) can't flip that easily. Until I see some concrete evidence that there was a perverbial gun pointed to his head, he is still guilty in my eyes. I don't say any of this to incite an argument, but I just need to keep it all in perspective. We cannot lump every Journey screw up into the same bag.

Having said that, I do wish him well, and I'm glad that his voice has recovered.

Good post.

[piecesofeight]

I cannot give Augeri a get out of jail card on this one. Was he backed up against the wall (NO PUN INTENDED) on this shit? Absolutely. I would have hated to be in his shoes. Knowing that you are screwed either way....

but ya know what... he opted to go with the sham. Free will. Maybe a helluva contract escape penalty and threats and who knows what else, but there's still frickin' free will. Kevin was the puppetmaster and they all knew. They ALL knew...they'd have to know. Therefore the whole gig, the band/management/staff are culpable. JSS gave me a reason to set it aside.

The reason is gone. It would take Perry himself to get me to bother again, and we know that ain't happenin'.

Good post.

[Red13JoePa]

the clip is from his last night on stage with Journey, July 4th 2006.

That was Raleigh right? The same show where Deen came out front and sang "Faithfully?"

\

Does anyone have clips of Deen as front man for this show?

Yea, that is must see.

SOMEbody has to have it.

[JrnyScarab]

This video pisses me off even more than I already am.

Sometimes, the show can't go on. I can't believe they didn't cancel this show with the condition Steve was in.

I don't know if they could have cancelled this show. It was a double bill with Def Leppard. Wouldn't Leppard have lost a lot of money if Journey cancelled this show?

Ed

[Saint John]

Those fuckin' dickheads put him out there to make a fool of himself so they finally had an excuse to replace him and end their charade. They made asses of paying fans and then Augeri. Couple that with the FACT that I heard with my own ears those assholes mock Perry and it's no wonder that I have NO desire to meet, hang with or converse with either one. I could probably chill with Deen or Ross though. They seem like genuinly decent people.

[squirt1]

Lucy Furr, may I suggest # 4? For once and for all we know who Jon And Neal really are and have a new understanding as to what Perry had to deal with on a daily basis.