RockinDeano wrote:
I am not disputing this Sky...although it is one person's account. How many in the US don't even go to a doctor because he/she cannot afford it. Every Canadian can go to a doctor. THAT is always anoption. 35% of Americans donot have that right.
By the way, on a side note, some Canucks do come here for care, but how many Yanks goto Canada for affordable drugs?
Those are all *very* valid points, including Americans going to get prescriptions in Canada.
I have to admit, I have thoroughly considered a national health care plan. It does pain me greatly to see those without health care suffer.
I will play devils advocate and say to my Conservative friends this: Yes, you can go to the emergency, they can't turn you away. You can rack up 10's or 100's of thousands of dollars in bills you will be responsible for. Granted, someone in that position probably wouldn't pay or would go bankrupt. Guess who pays? We do in higher premiums.
All the poor people who use the ER for sniffles, colds and flu's. They walk in there knowing full well they aren't going to pay and never will. Many are undocumented thus making any possibility of collections impossible. The hospitals write off those charges as losses, jack up the premiums of paying folks with insurance and most importantly, the government subsidizes those losses.
In effect, we already have a national health care system. A fucked up one. I'm sure a organized one would be just as fucked up!
ON the other side of the coin:
This is just another step towards socialism.
The NEW DEAL! The Great Society! Privatizing the Federal Reserve. The illegal ratification of the 16th amendment. These were all historic steps in our march towards socialism. In a perfect Utopian world, everyone would be moral and would act with the utmost regard of their neighbors. Socialism would work beautifully because those in need would only take what they need and not a penny more. Everyone would do their best to advance the whole of society without any regard for personal gain or wealth
Realistically, humanity isn't like that. Once you give the people a cup to drink from the public tax coffers, there is no stopping that snow ball down the mountain. As you get more and more people taking, you tax into oblivion the achievers until they simply no longer have a desire to achieve. Once the achievers lose hope, the system will collapse.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largess of the public treasury. From that time on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury, with the results that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s great civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.
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But, please do tell us exactly what "lie" you are talking about? Are you talking about all the intelligence reports from various nations that all the representatives and senators SUPPOSEDLY read, and thus came to the same conclusion the president did and voted WITH him. They were on his side at the time.. remember?
