OT: President Bush makes girl cry

[RedWingFan]

For all you Bush haters out there. I know it's your "constitutional" right to free speech. And your "duty" to speak up when you disagree with something our President does, however I remind you that there is still a treason law on the books in this country and since we ARE at war you could all be put to death for denouncing our government. If he was such a dictatorial leader as you all assert, why hasn't he enforced this law? It is his option as commander in chief.

Can you imagine the backlash on that? OMG

Abraham Lincoln used this during the Civil War, against (I think the Ohio Governor at the time) except he didn't have him killed. He was sent deported to the south. If he was going to speak and support the enemy, he might as well be with them.

[Saint John]

Elian Gonzalez didn't cry when the Clinton Administration had Federal officers point semi-automatic rifles at him. This was a walk in the park compared to that. 13 year olds today should be tougher than that. Fuck her.

[RedWingFan]

Elian Gonzalez didn't cry when the Clinton Administration had Federal officers point semi-automatic rifles at him. This was a walk in the park compared to that. 13 year olds today should be tougher than that. Fuck her.

Dude, I think little Elian was balling his eyes out when they pointed that rifle in his little grill Nice comparison though

[Saint John]

Elian Gonzalez didn't cry when the Clinton Administration had Federal officers point semi-automatic rifles at him. This was a walk in the park compared to that. 13 year olds today should be tougher than that. Fuck her.

Dude, I think little Elian was balling his eyes out when they pointed that rifle in his little grill Nice comparison though

I stand corrected.


http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2001/break ... elian2.gif

[RedWingFan]

Elian Gonzalez didn't cry when the Clinton Administration had Federal officers point semi-automatic rifles at him. This was a walk in the park compared to that. 13 year olds today should be tougher than that. Fuck her.

Dude, I think little Elian was balling his eyes out when they pointed that rifle in his little grill Nice comparison though

I stand corrected.


http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2001/break ... elian2.gif

And people say Clinton and Janet Reno weren't tough!

[Barb]

Elian Gonzalez didn't cry when the Clinton Administration had Federal officers point semi-automatic rifles at him. This was a walk in the park compared to that. 13 year olds today should be tougher than that. Fuck her.

Dude, I think little Elian was balling his eyes out when they pointed that rifle in his little grill Nice comparison though

I stand corrected.


http://www.pulitzer.org/year/2001/break ... elian2.gif

That picture still blows my freaking mind. WTF!!!

[Monker]

I do agree that we needed to remove hussein, though just not until AFTER the Afgan conflict was over.

That's the biggest mistake made by the current administration: not taking care of business and bowing to political pressure. If we had used true shock and awe like they said, we could've had this whole thing over by now or at least on the way to finishing it up.

That's funny. Back before the war started, I remember reading a post on BT replying to a post about Madonna coming out with some kinda anti-war song. The reply was, "Ha, what happens if the war is over before the song is released!" Now, here we are, YEARS later, and you are saying we could have been wrapping it up by now if it was done right...How time and the hard facts of life change things.

[7 Wishes]

SIGH...as if Clinton controls the action of every single federal agent in the country. Come on. Give me a break.

[Saint John]

SIGH...as if Clinton controls the action of every single federal agent in the country. Come on. Give me a break.

Reno's office gave the orders. He has to be accountable for her like the Dems make Bush for Rumsfeld.

[Panther]

I am republican, but I wonder if the president has ever been smashed in the face by a right hook.

Hell no, not with his AKCheney on standby. The AKCheney would see one's thought before it came to action and pepper the poor sod before the connection was made between brain and arm.

[stevew2]

You are the shits Yulog!! funny as shit

[Behshad]

In Bush's case, there's way too many flaws,,,and he is very stupid as a person,,, and he has no interest in doing whats good for his country and his people. That what makes him evil.

The difference between CPC and you is you are BLINDED by hatred. It's all black and white with you. Like Dave there are things I like and dislike about Bush's presidency. I guess that makes me psycotic also huh.

You dissagree? Make a list of 10 Good thing he has done for us since he stepped into office .

Never tried this but I'll take a crack at it, in no particular order.

1. He came through with a tax cut that he promised during the campaign. Which has basically given me a 3-5% increase in pay. As opposed to the tax cut Clinton campaigned on in '92, then while he was in office said, "you know from New Hampshire on people thought this whole thing was about tax cuts" By the way he then increased the gas tax even on the lowest of classes.

2. Appointed Alito and Roberts to the Supreme Court. Both who are against "eminent domain" abuses by the gov't. I don't have time to explain it to you. Google it.

3. Though he failed to get it through congress, tried to get school vouchers passed. Which would have given "choice" to parents on where to educate their kids.

4. Instead of just being "concerned" about Al-Qaeda and terrorism, he sent military to actually capture and kill them.

5. Got rid of Hussein like past presidents said should be done. Whether you agree with it or not. He did do what they said needed to be done.

6. Threw the Kyoto treaty in the trash!

7. Sent aid to Africa to help with their AIDS epidemic. Even Bono said Bush "came through" when Clinton only gave him lip service.

8. Acted like a complete gentleman at the Coretta Scott King funeral when Jimmy Carter got all political and made a complete ass of himself at a FUNERAL.

9. Jenna Bush is Hot!

10. His wife is also hot for an older woman.

Dude,, what a bunch of crap
First of let me congratulate you for either being gay(not that there's anything wrong with it) or blind for thinking that any of the Bush women are HOT!

How does any of these count something good he did for HIS country!?
*Getting rid of Hussein
*Aid to Africa
*Being a Gentelman at a funeral


Also,,, if you think he really accompilshed something for sending troops to aghanistan (and not finnishing the job) , then youre dead wrong.
AlQaida is at their strongest point ever right now since 2001, thanks to Mr Bush.

[Behshad]

For all you Bush haters out there. I know it's your "constitutional" right to free speech. And your "duty" to speak up when you disagree with something our President does, however I remind you that there is still a treason law on the books in this country and since we ARE at war you could all be put to death for denouncing our government. If he was such a dictatorial leader as you all assert, why hasn't he enforced this law? It is his option as commander in chief.

I bet you he would do it, if he KNEW about it. So keep it down, just in case Bush or Cheney happen to browse this forum

[conversationpc]

Dude,, what a bunch of crap
First of let me congratulate you for either being gay(not that there's anything wrong with it) or blind for thinking that any of the Bush women are HOT!

Dude, the pic below is of the Bush twins. They don't look all that bad to me...

[RedWingFan]

Dude,, what a bunch of crap
First of let me congratulate you for either being gay(not that there's anything wrong with it) or blind for thinking that any of the Bush women are HOT!

How does any of these count something good he did for HIS country!?
*Getting rid of Hussein
*Aid to Africa
*Being a Gentelman at a funeral


Also,,, if you think he really accompilshed something for sending troops to aghanistan (and not finnishing the job) , then youre dead wrong.
AlQaida is at their strongest point ever right now since 2001, thanks to Mr Bush.

Aren't you one of the dinks who always cries about what the rest of the world thinks of us? Actually giving aid to Africa instead of lip service must have improved our image. Bono thought so.

[7 Wishes]

Yeah, and "giving" $12 billion a month to fight an illegal, pointless, baseless war in Iraq, putting people like Carl in jeopardy, when we damned well should have gone into AND FINISHED the job in Afghanistan...instead of providing universal healthcare, or, hell, AFFORDABLE healthcare for the lower middle class in America, or rebuilding our infrastructure, or paying down the Bush-incurred national debt...yeah, that makes much more sense than taking care of the needs of Americans. And don't try to rebuke me with one of those bullshit "that's where the terrorists are" diatribes. That's bullshit. Even Bush Sr. thought invading Baghdad was a "grievous error". Don't believe me? Read his book. I have. Bush is the worst president since Hoover, and arguably the worst ever.

[ohsherrie]

Yeah, and "giving" $12 billion a month to fight an illegal, pointless, baseless war in Iraq, putting people like Carl in jeopardy, when we damned well should have gone into AND FINISHED the job in Afghanistan...instead of providing universal healthcare, or, hell, AFFORDABLE healthcare for the lower middle class in America, or rebuilding our infrastructure, or paying down the Bush-incurred national debt...yeah, that makes much more sense than taking care of the needs of Americans. And don't try to rebuke me with one of those bullshit "that's where the terrorists are" diatribes. That's bullshit. Even Bush Sr. thought invading Baghdad was a "grievous error". Don't believe me? Read his book. I have. Bush is the worst president since Hoover, and arguably the worst ever.

Yeah Naughty, but RF got a 3 - 5% raise as a result of the tax cut that helped the upper middle class so all the people who lost their standard of living and their health care benefits because of tax "incentives" that Bush gave his corporate buddies don't matter.

Saddam Hussein isn't in Iraq gassing his own people and keeping the terrorists under control out so it doesn't matter that Al Qaeda is there now killing ours people.

Let's see how those eminent domain laws are applied when it's a lower middle class landowners land that's being taken for a big corporation's use.

[RedWingFan]

see below

[RedWingFan]

Let's see how those eminent domain laws are applied when it's a lower middle class landowners land that's being taken for a big corporation's use.

That's exactly who's land is being taken you DOLT!!!! See the eminent domain is a law that has existed for a long time. If you own land and the state needs that land for a freeway, a new well.etc... The state must pay a percentage above the market value and kick you out.
But the good libs on the court. Stevens, Breyer, Kennedy, etc. recently ruled that it's okay for another private citizen or company to kick you or me out of our homes and take our land at the same price. Their argument? If a company gets that land to build an apartment complex or whatever, then the state gov't will get more tax revenue than what you or I would owe. Perfect example of how libs don't care for the little guy. (we get kicked out on the street) They care about more, more, more of our money to spend. Try logging off of moveon.org and the dailykos.com once in awhile and maybe you'd know this. Here's a website that gives more info.
http://www.castlecoalition.org/

I know you won't go there cuz it's all the facts are doctored. But don't blame me for you being clueless.
I'm sure it was the originalists Thomas, Scalia, Alito, and Roberts who voted for it It's all a big conspiracy

[conversationpc]

Yeah Naughty, but RF got a 3 - 5% raise as a result of the tax cut that helped the upper middle class so all the people who lost their standard of living and their health care benefits because of tax "incentives" that Bush gave his corporate buddies don't matter.

Oh, so now it's the upper middle class folks that got a tax cut? Yesterday, it was only the rich who got one. Seems like the story keeps changing here. I'm not upper middle class at all and I got the tax cut.

Let's see how those eminent domain laws are applied when it's a lower middle class landowners land that's being taken for a big corporation's use.

Democrats are typically the ones that want to use eminent domain laws to take property and milk as much tax dollars out of the deal as they can, so let's not go throwing this onto the President or Republicans. Actually, the ONLY party that is really any good on eminent domain abuse are the Libertarians.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah Naughty, but RF got a 3 - 5% raise as a result of the tax cut that helped the upper middle class so all the people who lost their standard of living and their health care benefits because of tax "incentives" that Bush gave his corporate buddies don't matter.

Oh, so now it's the upper middle class folks that got a tax cut? Yesterday, it was only the rich who got one. Seems like the story keeps changing here. I'm not upper middle class at all and I got the tax cut.

I'm hardly upper middle class either. But that's what fits her Democrat talking points. Even if I was, it's my damn money in the first place! Not the governments.

Let's see how those eminent domain laws are applied when it's a lower middle class landowners land that's being taken for a big corporation's use.

Democrats are typically the ones that want to use eminent domain laws to take property and milk as much tax dollars out of the deal as they can, so let's not go throwing this onto the President or Republicans. Actually, the ONLY party that is really any good on eminent domain abuse are the Libertarians.

It's the courts that have the real power in this issue. The liberals on the court are activists that spit on the constitution and legislate from the bench. The best thing Bush has done is getting two originalists on the court who realize what a great document the constitution is.

[conversationpc]

It's the courts that have the real power in this issue. The liberals on the court are activists that spit on the constitution and legislate from the bench. The best thing Bush has done is getting two originalists on the court who realize what a great document the constitution is.

If I remember correctly, someone from Souter's hometown was trying to use his own eminent domain ruling against him by taking his house for a hotel. I believe the effort eventually failed but I'm sure it caused Souter some headaches in the meantime. Anyway, his appointment was one of the worst decisions that President Bush Sr. ever made.

[RedWingFan]

It's the courts that have the real power in this issue. The liberals on the court are activists that spit on the constitution and legislate from the bench. The best thing Bush has done is getting two originalists on the court who realize what a great document the constitution is.

If I remember correctly, someone from Souter's hometown was trying to use his own eminent domain ruling against him by taking his house for a hotel. I believe the effort eventually failed but I'm sure it caused Souter some headaches in the meantime. Anyway, his appointment was one of the worst decisions that President Bush Sr. ever made.

Yeah I remember them trying for that. I know Bush Sr. was the reason I voted for Perot in '92. It's before I really started following politics and I kind of regret it now. But on the bright side if '92 didn't happen then '94 wouldn't have happened!

[7 Wishes]

This new breed of neo-conservatism spearheaded by Junior is a devolution from the principles that guided sound Republican fiscal policy from the 50's through the 70's. The facts are out there: the rich get richer with more and more tax breaks, and the middle class has seen a 14% decline in ACTUAL wages since 2000. Reagan was hardly a fiscal conservative; the net spending packages he proposed in his eight years as President were actually $144 billion more than the Democratic Congress passed into law. The "trickle-down" theory has been proven a complete failure by most economists. If you don't believe it, look it up. The truth is out there.

With respect to health care, only the fortunate few of the upper middle-class fortunate enough to work for conscientious global companies such as Microsoft and IBM truly have adequate coverage. The poorest of the poor are covered by a failing Medicaid program that has suffered a 37% cut in budgetary allocations under the Bush II administration. Meanwhile, everyone else is trapped in the ever-expanding lower middle-class.

What this country needs is sound, traditional conservative fiscal policy with a broad-sweeping, liberal social approach that will help take care of those in need, address the horrifying (and very real) spectre of the impending environmental crisis, and STOP FUCKING INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES. In a perfect world, McCain woujld team up with Obama and announce their candidacy.

[RedWingFan]

In a perfect world, McCain woujld team up with Obama and announce their candidacy.

That's all you had to say I listed what I believe to be 10 good things Bush has done in office. Can you list 10 good things Obama has done in office? And I don't mean lip service that makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside

[conversationpc]

This new breed of neo-conservatism spearheaded by Junior is a devolution from the principles that guided sound Republican fiscal policy from the 50's through the 70's.

I don't even consider Bush a conservative anymore. He has strayed too far on too many of the principles I believe in.

With respect to health care, only the fortunate few of the upper middle-class fortunate enough to work for conscientious global companies such as Microsoft and IBM truly have adequate coverage.

Not true at all. I'm not even close to being part of the upper-middle class, yet our health insurance is adequate. Could be better, but it is adequate.

What this country needs is sound, traditional conservative fiscal policy with a broad-sweeping, liberal social approach that will help take care of those in need, address the horrifying (and very real) spectre of the impending environmental crisis, and STOP FUCKING INVADING OTHER COUNTRIES. In a perfect world, McCain woujld team up with Obama and announce their candidacy.

Can't stand McCain at all. He is just as bad as most of the other so-called conservatives in Congress. I do agree, though, that we need traditional conservative fiscal policy.

[ohsherrie]

I never said it was only the rich who benefited. I said they benefited the most.

There is no middle class anymore. There are obscenely rich............................................................ wealthy.................................. upper middle................. lower middle........... poor....... destitute. No one below the upper middle catagory benefitted from the tax cut.

[RedWingFan]

This new breed of neo-conservatism spearheaded by Junior is a devolution from the principles that guided sound Republican fiscal policy from the 50's through the 70's.

I don't even consider Bush a conservative anymore. He has strayed too far on too many of the principles I believe in.

Amen!

He is just as bad as most of the other so-called conservatives in Congress.

Dude, I can't believe you just used a pronoun refering to McCain, and conservative in the same sentence

[Marc S]

All irrelevant detail. Bush is a moron lining his friends pockets at the expense of the less well off. A republican as always.

[RedWingFan]

All irrelevant detail. Bush is a moron lining his friends pockets at the expense of the less well off. A republican as always.

Who are the less well off? As of 2004 IRS #'s the top 50% paid 96.7% of total taxes. Those in the bottom 50% are left to get the 3.3%. And that doesn't count checks the gov't pays out to alot of them. Let me guess, you want more, more, more, right? I guess this'll be just more irrelevant detail.