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[conversationpc]

Keep in mind, the Dems have a slim margin and the Republicans are filibustering like mad.
Just this week they filibustered and ultimately defeated a bill that would’ve established standards for time-off between deployments for our soldiers.
But you guys support the troops, right?

What's the specific name/number of that bill? It would be interesting to see what's really in it as far as amendments go, because things like that are often defeated for reasons other than the initial intent of the bill.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It would be interesting to see what's really in it as far as amendments go, because things like that are often defeated for reasons other than the initial intent of the bill.

Doubtful.
It was Jim Webb's bill.
He is a decorated vet, former Repub, and the bill also had the support of the Military Officers Association of America.
The Republicans are filibustering even the things they support so they can turn around and tell their base that the Dems aren't getting anything done.

[conversationpc]

It would be interesting to see what's really in it as far as amendments go, because things like that are often defeated for reasons other than the initial intent of the bill.

Doubtful.
It was Jim Webb's bill.
He is a decorated vet, former Repub, and the bill also had the support of the Military Officers Association of America.
The Republicans are filibustering even the things they support so they can turn around and tell their base that the Dems aren't getting anything done.

If true, it's reprehensible but it's no different than what the libs were doing when the neocons were in power.

[The_Noble_Cause]

According to the non-partisan 9-11 Commission Report:

Attention to Terrorism: Clinton Administration

P 174: President Clinton "deeply concerned" about Osama Bin Ladin.

Does this mean he bit his lip extra hard over OBL????

P 101: President Clinton makes chemical, biological, and nuclear terrorism a priority.

A priority? Whew I feel better. A priority I'm guessing that was pretty damn low on the list. It doesn't specify "Top" does it? Guessing it ranked somewhere below "picking up a bottle of Spray-N-Wash" for a blue dress

P 109: Clinton Administration establishes "the Bin Ladin unit."

Is this the same unit that had him cornered dead to rights and was on the line asking for the go ahead to take him out and the administration told them to back off???? I think it probably is.

P 358: Clinton Administration's management of the last weeks of December 1999 was "the one period in which the government as a whole seemed to be acting in concert to deal with terrorism."

So he started getting his shit together for a couple of weeks during his 8 years. I was completely wrong about the guy

P 487: Clinton Administration successful in arresting al Qaeda members.

While OBL continued undisturbed on his perch over there in the middle east saying, "Damn better get back to the drawing board. Truck bombs don't bring the towers down"

Could you have picked a worse possible time to preemptively uncork the moonshine and dance a jig about Bush’s strides against Al Qaeda?
Since we last sparred, it has now been verified that Al Qaeda is back to pre-9/11 strength.
If I were you, I’d lay low and shut my fat fucking face.
Maybe you can follow Sean Hannity’s “fascists of freedom" tour as it leaves its war-profiting, sludge stain all across America.

Great research TNC, now can you tell me what documents were added in, and which walked out of the National Archive building in Sandy Berger's socks and underwear???????

It was Bush’s own justice department that limp-wristedly meted out Burger’s sentence.
If he got off the hook, take it up with your blood-streaked, chimpy-faced god.

[The_Noble_Cause]

McCain?? OMFG now I know you are delusional. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH that's the funniest post I've read in this thread yet! Yea, I trust McCain. Just like I trust Ted Kennedy driving with my daughter...on a bridge over water no less.

Who here can truly believe you have the best interests of America at heart when you’re so fast to brush off a fellow countryman who was tortured for his country?
Besides, as I already said, its not just McCain who wants torture banned.
When you finally compose yourself from laughing at a tortured war veteran, you might want to give this abridged list a gander.


Joseph Hoar, General, USMC (Ret.)
John Shalikashvili, General, USA (Ret.)
Donn A. Starry, General, USA (Ret.)
Ron Adams, Lieutenant General, USA (Ret.)
Robert G. Gard, Jr., Lieutenant General, USA (Ret.)
Jay M. Garner, Lieutenant General, USA (Ret.)
Lee F. Gunn, Vice Admiral, USN (Ret.)
Claudia J. Kennedy, Lieutenant General, USA (Ret.)
Charles Otstott, Lieutenant General, USA (Ret.)
Jack Shanahan, Vice Admiral, USN (Ret.)
Eugene Fox, Major General, USA (Ret.)
John L. Fugh, Major General, USA (Ret.)
Donald J. Guter, Rear Admiral, USN (Ret.)
Fred E. Haynes, Major General, USMC (Ret.)
John D. Hutson, Rear Admiral, USN (Ret.)
Melvyn Montano, Major General, ANG (Ret.)
Robert H. Scales, Major General, USA (Ret.)
Michael J. Scotti, Major General, USA (Ret.)
David M. Brahms, Brigadier General, USMC (Ret.)
James Cullen, Brigadier General, USA (Ret.)
Evelyn P. Foote, Brigadier General, USA (Ret.)
David R. Irvine, Brigadier General, USA (Ret.)
Richard O'Meara, Brigadier General, USA (Ret.)
John K. Schmitt, Brigadier General, USA (Ret.)
Stephen N. Xenakis, Brigadier General, USA (Ret.)
Douglas "Pete" Peterson, Ambassador/Former Vietnam POW, USAF (Ret.)
Frederick C. Baldock, Former Vietnam POW Commander, USN (Ret.)
Phillip N. Butler, Former Vietnam POW Commander, USN (Ret.)


But don’t forget people, five star General “Skylorde” knows better!
What an unbelievably arrogant cock!

[Rick]

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ah yes, the same Scott Ritter who was arrested in 2001 for soliciting sex from a minor online? *very* credible source there, Good job!

I don’t care if he plays pinochle in the nude with a king jumbo prawn dangling from his cock.
But, fine, fuck him.
Despite his credible track record on such matters, the truth is, when it comes to debunking The Great WMD Myth, there are an infinitude of sources to choose from.
For starters, what about U.N. Inspectors, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei?
Let me guess, did an obscene fascination with hairless underage twat somehow impair their professional judgement, as well?

BTW, this is the same Scott Ritter who accepted $400,000 from "Shakir Al-Khafaji", a Iraqi/American dude with clear ties to Saddam. Ritter was contracted to produce a documentary called "In Shifting Sands". It is worthy to note that Scott Ritter has admitted Al-Khafaji is/was very sympathetic to Saddam's regime and this documentary was to illustrate that. Ritter even went as far to say "The American Government is NOT going to like this film".

And did this propaganda film make Ritter’s prognostications of “zero WMDS” any less accurate?
No?
Ok, so shut the fuck up then.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I Just can't LOL enough on this one.
Oh boy. Let me get out the ABC spelling blocks so I can spell it out for you.

A commission comprised of Democrats and Republicans to supposedly find the truth? Or do you think it might have something to do with two Presidents, one from each party, were likely equally culpable (read IGNORANT) in dismissing the signs leading up to 9/11. Anyone with a tad bit of logic can see why the far left AND far right accuse each other of smoothing over the rough spots of the report: to protect their man. Get it? Ah probably not.

Hold up, after reading the above, I think it’s best I whip out my tin foil hat for the remainder of this post
I hate to tell ya’ this, but bashing liberals, republicans and the government all in the same breath doesn’t make you sound like an independent-minded patriot, it makes you sound like the paranoid schizophrenic at the bus station who washes his ass out with a rag.

Let's pluck a date from the timeline shall we? The Iraq war was officially kicked off on 3-20-2003, a full 18 months after 9/11. During those 18 months, the military went through a massive build up, especially (but not limited to) in areas of cruise missiles. After we thoroughly pounded Baghdad from the air, an army of Palestinians with sling shots could have walzted into Baghdad and toppled the Republican guard.

Total bullshit.
The first Bush defense budget went into effect on Oct. 1, 2002. None of the funds in that budget had any impact on the soldiers’ readiness for combat, or the weapons they used to destroy Taliban or Iraqi forces.
In fact, weapons initiated under Clinton’s time in office such as Joint Defense Attack Munitions (JDAMs) and unmanned aerial drones made it possible to destroy targets more precisely during Operation Iraqi Freedom.

This is one of the astronomically rare instances where I’ll cede to Dick Cheney when he said, "There is little that [the President] or his defense secretary can do to improve the force they have to deploy. It is all the work of previous administrations." and “A commander-in-chief leads the military built by those who came before him."

Let's refer to the biggest propaganda medium of the left, the NY times:

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/politics/ ... TIONS.html

Yeah, NY Times is such an organ of the left that the White House used one of their reporters Judith Miller, to churn up support for the war.

Just referring to Democrats who actually have a shot:

Biden: voted yes
Hillary Ramrod: voted yes
John "Ambulance Chaser" Edwards: Voted yes
Obama: Voted no

Before you begin your response by telling me Gravel and Kucinich voted no, please, spare me the drivel. These two stand about as much of a chance of getting the party nomination as Hillary does of becoming a porn star. That's like me tellng you Captain Crunch voted NO for the war and he's running!

You also forgot Ron Paul, who, to this date has raised more money than one time frontrunner, McCain.
You said only one presidential candidate stood in opposition to the war and voted no.
Just like every other word uttered across a Republican’s profane, shit ringed mouth, that turned out to be a lie.

[Crazie Scarab]

No worries, folks. Once the Democrats have control of the House, Senate and the Executive Branch all to themselves again, there will be remarkable progress in Iraq and the entire war on terrorism. You can count on it! Also, the economy will be as best it can be again. Gas prices will not be a problem and everyone will be as happy as we ever were!

Yes! Even though the Democrats have no plan at all, I have full and unconditional faith in them to make everything alright again.

Please, do join the Democrat Party to save America.

Don't forget to be green, people! That's very important! We wouldn't want to be responsible for leaving a carbon footprint in a world governed by Al Queda, now would we?

[Rick]

No worries, folks. Once the Democrats have control of the House, Senate and the Executive Branch all to themselves again, there will be remarkable progress in Iraq and the entire war on terrorism. You can count on it! Also, the economy will be as best it can be again. Gas prices will not be a problem and everyone will be as happy as we ever were!

Yes! Even though the Democrats have no plan at all, I have full and unconditional faith in them to make everything alright again.

Please, do join the Democrat Party to save America.

Don't forget to be green, people! That's very important! We wouldn't want to be responsible for leaving a carbon footprint in a world governed by Al Queda, now would we?

Your sarcasm is showing. Cover it up will ya?

[Rockindeano]

No worries, folks. Once the Democrats have control of the House, Senate and the Executive Branch all to themselves again, there will be remarkable progress in Iraq and the entire war on terrorism. You can count on it! Also, the economy will be as best it can be again. Gas prices will not be a problem and everyone will be as happy as we ever were!

Yes! Even though the Democrats have no plan at all, I have full and unconditional faith in them to make everything alright again.

Please, do join the Democrat Party to save America.

Don't forget to be green, people! That's very important! We wouldn't want to be responsible for leaving a carbon footprint in a world governed by Al Queda, now would we?

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

[DarwinNebraska]

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

ANDREW... WHY DO YOU GIVE THIS INSANE MAN A PLATFORM TO SPEW HIS FILTH.

SHAME ON YOU.

[Rick]

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

ANDREW... WHY DO YOU GIVE THIS INSANE MAN A PLATFORM TO SPEW HIS FILTH.

SHAME ON YOU.

There is no filth spewed in his post. Why don't you quit baiting him? And why would you yell at the owner of the site? All caps is considered yelling. Deano has been here for a long time and will be here long after you're gone and me too I'm sure. Shut the fuck up.

[Crazie Scarab]

No worries, folks. Once the Democrats have control of the House, Senate and the Executive Branch all to themselves again, there will be remarkable progress in Iraq and the entire war on terrorism. You can count on it! Also, the economy will be as best it can be again. Gas prices will not be a problem and everyone will be as happy as we ever were!

Yes! Even though the Democrats have no plan at all, I have full and unconditional faith in them to make everything alright again.

Please, do join the Democrat Party to save America.

Don't forget to be green, people! That's very important! We wouldn't want to be responsible for leaving a carbon footprint in a world governed by Al Queda, now would we?

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

Sadly, some of you won't get it until NY or LA gets nuked. I fully believe that. This is where I fully disagree with you Dean and I am not about to back down.

[Crazie Scarab]

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

ANDREW... WHY DO YOU GIVE THIS INSANE MAN A PLATFORM TO SPEW HIS FILTH.

SHAME ON YOU.

If you don't like what Dean writes, gloss over it and don't let it bother you. I am not into censoring anyone over how they may post their thoughts. Would you like to be censored?

[DarwinNebraska]

Funny... but I've gotten threated by our host for much lesser content.

Whatever... I'm surprised Journey even talks to Andrew (maybe they don't know) given that he gives the insane a platform to spew lies and filth.

[Rick]

Funny... but I've gotten threated by our host for much lesser content.

Whatever... I'm surprised Journey even talks to Andrew (maybe they don't know) given that he gives the insane a platform to spew lies and filth.

You're just trying to get banned so you can run to your cronies and use it like a badge of honor. The only thing you will wear like a badge of honor is your ignorance.

[Crazie Scarab]

Funny... but I've gotten threated by our host for much lesser content.

Whatever... I'm surprised Journey even talks to Andrew (maybe they don't know) given that he gives the insane a platform to spew lies and filth.

Whatever Dean spews is is up for everyone to digest. Whoah! That sounded bad!

Just let the chips fall where they may. Get out of the way if you cannot handle freedom of speech.

[Rick]

Funny... but I've gotten threated by our host for much lesser content.

Whatever... I'm surprised Journey even talks to Andrew (maybe they don't know) given that he gives the insane a platform to spew lies and filth.

Whatever Dean spews is is up for everyone to digest. Whoah! That sounded bad!

Just let the chips fall where they may. Get out of the way if you cannot handle freedom of speech.

Why is it that you always say it so much better? Fucker.

[Deb]

I don’t care if he plays pinochle in the nude with a king jumbo prawn dangling from his cock.

LMAO, I don't know where you pull these out of.....but damn near spit my coffee out on that one!

[Crazie Scarab]

Funny... but I've gotten threated by our host for much lesser content.

Whatever... I'm surprised Journey even talks to Andrew (maybe they don't know) given that he gives the insane a platform to spew lies and filth.

Whatever Dean spews is is up for everyone to digest. Whoah! That sounded bad!

Just let the chips fall where they may. Get out of the way if you cannot handle freedom of speech.

Why is it that you always say it so much better? Fucker.

Because I'm the "fucker," not the "fucked!"

[conversationpc]

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

And now that the Democrats are in control, they are perpetuating the same things you say the Republicans were guilty of. Isn't it great to be a member of a party like that?

[Rick]

Funny... but I've gotten threated by our host for much lesser content.

Whatever... I'm surprised Journey even talks to Andrew (maybe they don't know) given that he gives the insane a platform to spew lies and filth.

Whatever Dean spews is is up for everyone to digest. Whoah! That sounded bad!

Just let the chips fall where they may. Get out of the way if you cannot handle freedom of speech.

Why is it that you always say it so much better? Fucker.

Because I'm the "fucker," not the "fucked!"

[Rockindeano]

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

And now that the Democrats are in control, they are perpetuating the same things you say the Republicans were guilty of. Isn't it great to be a member of a party like that?

Nice try. The GOP still controls theWH...and the margin is too close inthe Senate. You need 60 votes to override vetos, of which the Dems do not have...they will next election, and then we can see change.

[Crazie Scarab]

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

And now that the Democrats are in control, they are perpetuating the same things you say the Republicans were guilty of. Isn't it great to be a member of a party like that?

Nice try. The GOP still controls theWH...and the margin is too close inthe Senate. You need 60 votes to override vetos, of which the Dems do not have...they will next election, and then we can see change.

What exactly is the change we can expect? Please.. do tell us what the Democrat party fails to tell us??

[conversationpc]

Nice try. The GOP still controls theWH...and the margin is too close inthe Senate. You need 60 votes to override vetos, of which the Dems do not have...they will next election, and then we can see change.

Yeah....RIIIIIGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!! {holding fingers in shape of OK sign}

I agree with Neal Boortz on this. Most politicians, Republican or Democrat, are about retaining power. They just go about it differently. I like the title of Bernie Goldberg's new book, which sums it up fairly well..."Liars to the Left of Me, Wimps to the Right".

[Andrew]

Bitch and whine all you want...be sarcastic, the FACTS are that Iraq is a war we lost, civil rights are being stripped, America is NOT respected in the world, gas prices are RECORD levels, there is scandal EVERY week, and THE REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN CONTROL FOR 7 years now(minus the last 7 months). Don't be mad at us Dems...Look in the mirror.

Whoa is me, you fuckin idiots. Face it, your party is not only corrupt, but inept as well. Adios...

ANDREW... WHY DO YOU GIVE THIS INSANE MAN A PLATFORM TO SPEW HIS FILTH.

SHAME ON YOU.

Same reason you get to be a message board troll.

[Andrew]

Funny... but I've gotten threated by our host for much lesser content.

Whatever... I'm surprised Journey even talks to Andrew (maybe they don't know) given that he gives the insane a platform to spew lies and filth.

I know who Deano is. I have no fucking clue who the hell you are....You don't get it, are not likely to ever get it and have quickly become the new grinch of the board. Any last comments before we bid you farewell?

[Skylorde]

Hold up, after reading the above, I think it’s best I whip out my tin foil hat for the remainder of this post
I hate to tell ya’ this, but bashing liberals, republicans and the government all in the same breath doesn’t make you sound like an independent-minded patriot, it makes you sound like the paranoid schizophrenic at the bus station who washes his ass out with a rag.

The sheer shallowness of this statement really reflects the depths of your ignorance. Just because a person chooses *NOT* to align themselves politically with any major party hardly implies they are not of sound mind.

After reading your replies, it is obvious to me you are nothing but a lemming and will blindly and happily follow your fearless socialist leaders over the cliff, just as the stubborn Republican supporters will do the same with their leaders.

It is all about power, corruption and nothing more. Period. Honestly, you talk a pretty good game which makes it all the more surprising that someone like you doesn't at least get that part of it.

[conversationpc]

It is all about power, corruption and nothing more. Period. Honestly, you talk a pretty good game which makes it all the more surprising that someone like you doesn't at least get that part of it.

Exactly. I AM SO GLAD that I don't have to be registered with any particular party here in Indiana. If I want to vote in a Democratic primary, I can do so. I'm not tethered at all and, considering what's gone on in Washington over the last few years, I'm happier than ever to not be affiliated with either major party.

[Crazie Scarab]

Hold up, after reading the above, I think it’s best I whip out my tin foil hat for the remainder of this post
I hate to tell ya’ this, but bashing liberals, republicans and the government all in the same breath doesn’t make you sound like an independent-minded patriot, it makes you sound like the paranoid schizophrenic at the bus station who washes his ass out with a rag.

The sheer shallowness of this statement really reflects the depths of your ignorance. Just because a person chooses *NOT* to align themselves politically with any major party hardly implies they are not of sound mind.

After reading your replies, it is obvious to me you are nothing but a lemming and will blindly and happily follow your fearless socialist leaders over the cliff, just as the stubborn Republican supporters will do the same with their leaders.

It is all about power, corruption and nothing more. Period. Honestly, you talk a pretty good game which makes it all the more surprising that someone like you doesn't at least get that part of it.

No one should EVER follow any party blindly. That is the quickest way to tyranny.