Ain't NOTHIN' Wrong With Steve's Voice!

[*Laura]

Personally I don't like comparing musicians because everyone has their
own sound and styles.

That's true and usually I too avoid comparing the big names.Ultimately,it's about personal preferences.

[scarygirl]

While I agree BA's voice isn't what it used to be, still overall anyway, not bad. You are absolutely right about him looking like he stepped out of a crack house. I barely recognized the man.

Bryan Adams is playing his songs down a step or two. They barely sound the same. Here are three examples. His voice is a fraction of what it used to be, not to mention he looks like he's been hanging out in Meth houses. As for Springsteen, the dude has always sounded constipated while singing. Moonie, the two creeps you picked should be used for target practice at Fort Bragg.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_eVCBnn6Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnK4hM6zC7Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGfJmS6TmYQ

[larryfromnextdoor]

cuts like a knife is only a half a step down,, tuned to Eb.. still played in D... sounds heavy ,, dig it..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD3qgx9vBCk

[memberzonly]

Bryan Adams is playing his songs down a step or two. They barely sound the same. Here are three examples. His voice is a fraction of what it used to be, not to mention he looks like he's been hanging out in Meth houses. As for Springsteen, the dude has always sounded constipated while singing. Moonie, the two creeps you picked should be used for target practice at Fort Bragg.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_eVCBnn6Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnK4hM6zC7Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGfJmS6TmYQ

While he does sound rough in several spots, he is live and each of those vids show he is tuned down a HALF step from the original versions on record. Adams band have been doing that for some time. Many bands tune down a half step b/c it makes a world of difference for the vocals. Fleetwood Mac is the only band I have come across that tunes down a FULL step from standard tuning on several of their recorded songs.

[larryfromnextdoor]

hes probably "one of those",, ya know,, vegetarians...eeek!!

While I agree BA's voice isn't what it used to be, still overall anyway, not bad. You are absolutely right about him looking like he stepped out of a crack house. I barely recognized the man.

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[Saint John]

While I agree BA's voice isn't what it used to be, still overall anyway, not bad. You are absolutely right about him looking like he stepped out of a crack house. I barely recognized the man.

Bryan Adams is playing his songs down a step or two. They barely sound the same. Here are three examples. His voice is a fraction of what it used to be, not to mention he looks like he's been hanging out in Meth houses. As for Springsteen, the dude has always sounded constipated while singing. Moonie, the two creeps you picked should be used for target practice at Fort Bragg.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-W_eVCBnn6Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnK4hM6zC7Y


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGfJmS6TmYQ

I think the songs still sound good, just not AS good. I give the man credit for touring, but I think he tours because he HAS to. At any rate, he still sounds pretty good. I just disagree with Dean that he's one of the "most talented men in music." He used to be, before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town. Everything I Do and Have You Ever Really Loved a Woman are two of the most commerciallly scripted ballads that lack artistry. But I'll give him credit, they made him a boatload of dough.

[scarygirl]

hes probably "one of those",, ya know,, vegetarians...eeek!!

While I agree BA's voice isn't what it used to be, still overall anyway, not bad. You are absolutely right about him looking like he stepped out of a crack house. I barely recognized the man.

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So instead of "eek, a mouse;" it's "eek, a vegetarian?" Let's play around with that. Whenever we see someone on stage with Journey who looks like Steve Perry, sounds like Steve Perry, but is not Steve Perry we'll say, "eek, it's a Stefford Steve."

[ohsherrie]

I like both BA and BS and they both point out the unfairness of the judgements against Steve's more mature vocal abilities. BA and BS have, and have always had, very gravely voices and BS has a very limited range, but if SP can't go from low tenor to the stratosphere in a nanosecond in a chrystal clear voice without breathing his voice is shot.

[brandonx76]

GuFF huh? Why not Fall Out Boy?

[Rick]

before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town.

LMFAO!!!

[Rockindeano]

before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town.

And boy does Journey really rock hard


Journey would OPEN for BA if they toured again. Scoreboard. St John, you are full of shit. BA does not tune down a full step while playing live.

[Saint John]

before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town.

And boy does Journey really rock hard


Journey would OPEN for BA if they toured again. Scoreboard. St John, you are full of shit. BA does not tune down a full step while playing live.

Don't really care if it's down a sixteenth of a step, it doesn't sound nearly as good as the original. And I meant to say a half to a step, not 1 to 2. I'm not full of shit, never have been. That's your department.

[Rockindeano]

before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town.

And boy does Journey really rock hard


Journey would OPEN for BA if they toured again. Scoreboard. St John, you are full of shit. BA does not tune down a full step while playing live.

Don't really care if it's down a sixteenth of a step, it doesn't sound nearly as good as the original. And I meant to say a half to a step, not 1 to 2. I'm not full of shit, never have been. That's your department.

You jock Perry and he has nothing left in his tank...you say he can sing but he can't. So who exactly is full of shit? Then you go bust BA's balls...who by the way sounds as good as he always has.

Fuck you Dan.

[Saint John]

before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town.

And boy does Journey really rock hard


Journey would OPEN for BA if they toured again. Scoreboard. St John, you are full of shit. BA does not tune down a full step while playing live.

Don't really care if it's down a sixteenth of a step, it doesn't sound nearly as good as the original. And I meant to say a half to a step, not 1 to 2. I'm not full of shit, never have been. That's your department.

You jock Perry and he has nothing left in his tank...you say he can sing but he can't. So who exactly is full of shit? Then you go bust BA's balls...who by the way sounds as good as he always has.

Fuck you Dan.

Show me where I "busted BA's balls?" And you're on crank if you think he sounds as good as ever. If you'd read everything and not JUST what you WANT to, you'll see I gave him credit AND said he still sounds pretty good.

[Voyager]

All I can say is good for Steve Perry. Thank God he was smart enough not to let Frigga and Fro trash out what was left of his vocals just for their selfish monetary gain. They would have used Perry like a Bic lighter and disposed of him once he was burned out, just like they did to Augeri.

[Rockindeano]

Show me where I "busted BA's balls?" And you're on crank if you think he sounds as good as ever. If you'd read everything and not JUST what you WANT to, you'll see I gave him credit AND said he still sounds pretty good.

You really have fallen off the face of the Earth haven't you?

You have been saying forever that Perry was returning, and that he sounded awesome. What? This fuckin Guff thing is a total studio play...it does not show him to "be back" or that he "still has it." What a load of shit. He is done.

Now, onto BA. You didn't bust his balls?

before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town. Everything I Do and Have You Ever Really Loved a Woman are two of the most commerciallly scripted ballads that lack artistry

The "wimpy pussy ballads Everything I Do and Have You really Ever Loved a Woman were written for movies. By the way, they were both huge hits, one being the biggest hit song of all time. Excuse the man for writing number one songs. Perhaps next time he can writhe Kiss Me Soflty that no one will hear.

And oh yeah, he does sound as good as ever, in fact, the band is better than ever.

[Saint John]

Show me where I "busted BA's balls?" And you're on crank if you think he sounds as good as ever. If you'd read everything and not JUST what you WANT to, you'll see I gave him credit AND said he still sounds pretty good.

You really have fallen off the face of the Earth haven't you?

You have been saying forever that Perry was returning, and that he sounded awesome. What? This fuckin Guff thing is a total studio play...it does not show him to "be back" or that he "still has it." What a load of shit. He is done.

Now, onto BA. You didn't bust his balls?

before the sappy, tear-jerking, sackless ballad train hit town. Everything I Do and Have You Ever Really Loved a Woman are two of the most commerciallly scripted ballads that lack artistry

The "wimpy pussy ballads Everything I Do and Have You really Ever Loved a Woman were written for movies. By the way, they were both huge hits, one being the biggest hit song of all time. Excuse the man for writing number one songs. Perhaps next time he can writhe Kiss Me Soflty that no one will hear.

And oh yeah, he does sound as good as ever, in fact, the band is better than ever.

1) No one would consider that song a Top 10 ballad of all time let alone the "biggest hit song of all time." Fuck, it's not even played anymore...well occasionally. Off the top of my head "Unchained Melody" runs circles around it in terms of popularity, staying power (obviously), artistry, and spins on the radio.

2) Kiss Me Softly is sung by a guy YOU said was part of an album (Generations) that was better than Escape. If anyone's crediblity is gone , it's YOURS. With ears like that it's no wonder you think Bryan Adams sounds as good as ever.

3) I'll admit I was wrong about Perry. Adults do that. You should try it some time.

[Crazie Scarab]

Let's not blow off Arrival. Arrival was a decent Journey album and I still enjoy it.

Generations. Yeah, well.. Neal wasn't there for that effort. The Journey was lost by the time that all went down.

[Rockindeano]

2) Kiss Me Softly is sung by a guy YOU said was part of an album (Generations) that was better than Escape. If anyone's crediblity is gone , it's YOURS. With ears like that it's no wonder you think Bryan Adams sounds as good as ever.

I said Generations was better than Escape? Please show me this. Not that I wasn't caught up in the moment of Gens, but please do show me this.

By the way, Everything I Do is in fact the number one song of all time(although some will argue Celine dions My Heart Still Goes On is equal.

Now please show me where I said Generations is better than Escape. I said Frontiers is better but do not recall saying Gens was better.

[Saint John]

2) Kiss Me Softly is sung by a guy YOU said was part of an album (Generations) that was better than Escape. If anyone's crediblity is gone , it's YOURS. With ears like that it's no wonder you think Bryan Adams sounds as good as ever.

I said Generations was better than Escape? Please show me this. Not that I wasn't caught up in the moment of Gens, but please do show me this.

By the way, Everything I Do is in fact the number one song of all time(although some will argue Celine dions My Heart Still Goes On is equal.

Now please show me where I said Generations is better than Escape. I said Frontiers is better but do not recall saying Gens was better.

I bolded some of the more interesting opinions in your review. Here ya go:








30/06/05: Dean Ohlrich - Journey-Generations - derbydeano@yahoo.com
Rating: 95
What I received as I walked in to the concert last week on the kickoff show was Journey's Generations CD.. WOW. Awesome. Only a little flaw and that is due to my particular taste.

"Faith in the Heartland" opens the CD, and after a drum roll opening, it takes off and soars..Neal Schon's guitar kiterally takes you with him, and the song is up tempo and fluid, complete with the poroverbial Schon solo..."The Place in Your Heart" should already be on the radio, and why it's not is beside me. This tune starts out abruptly, and then takes off with a catchy chorus and a super melodic Neal solo to close the song..The best song since Seperate Ways; in fact in my opinion, it's better. Now, the third song is called "A Better life" and drummer Deen Castranova takes over vocals on this one. I instantly liked it..starts off with a Richard marx like "Hazard: opening, then is moderate tempo, with a sweet smooth voiced Castranova doing an excellent job here..another radio friendly song. "Every Generation" is Jonathan Cains" turn to sing lead. Nothing special, but is a nice solid melodic song..a little Billy Joelish. The Next song was Steve Augeri's solo entry called "Butterfly(She flies alone). Too slow for me, and sounds like it is missing from Arrival..ok song, but I could do without. "Believe" is the next song, and it too rocks..A classic Journey song with a nice chorus. However, to me, the momentum is broken up with "Knowing that you love Me." This too sounds like Arrival, which isn't a bad thing, but could leave off. Now, the rockers come at you, starting with "Out of Harms Way." Killer Neal guitar opening, sounds like a machine gun along with Deenos drumming..great, no, superb lyrics..political song, but supportive of the men and women serving over "there." "In Self Defense" is next, and you may recognize this from a Schon and Hammer album back in the day..Neal torques on this one, and Deen fills in the high pitched vocals..."Better Together" is a real solif tune. I love the lyrics, and to me it seems as though the words are reflective of the band, not the boy/girl scenario..you need to listen to this one..For the next track, "Gone Crazy" I thought ZZ Top was included in this song. Bassist Ross Valory's turn at the mic and he does a good job on it, it just isn't Journey..very hokish and country rock..seriously, sounds like Billy Gibbons doing Journey, or Ross doing ZZ...The final song is "Beyond the Clouds."Real slow, but Schon's guitar melts you like butter, and the chorus is heavy on lyrics..

In rating this cd, I knocked off a few points for the "fillers" "Knowing that you Love Me" and "Butterfly", and for the awkwardness of the Ross song, however, this CD is strong..real strong. If radio would pull their collective heads out of their collective asses, and play this bad boy.. There are anthem songs(Faith in the Heartland), good rock tunes, pop songs(Better Life), and no tissue ballads, I rank this now number #2 in the impressive Journey catalog..yes, behind Frontiers. It's that good. Buy it if you can, or simply go to their show, and get one free!!

Dean

[conversationpc]

After listening to the entire song (thanks to Nora), I have to say there's not really enough there to determine if Steve still has it or not. From what I CAN hear, though, I wouldn't say that he sounds any better/worse than he did 10-15 years ago.

[Rick]

After listening to the entire song (thanks to Nora), I have to say there's not really enough there to determine if Steve still has it or not. From what I CAN hear, though, I wouldn't say that he sounds any better/worse than he did 10-15 years ago.

Did you hear him sing with David Pack in '04 I think it was? Not bad there either, but I think his Guff effort is more powerful vocally from him.

[conversationpc]

After listening to the entire song (thanks to Nora), I have to say there's not really enough there to determine if Steve still has it or not. From what I CAN hear, though, I wouldn't say that he sounds any better/worse than he did 10-15 years ago.

Did you hear him sing with David Pack in '04 I think it was? Not bad there either, but I think his Guff effort is more powerful vocally from him.

Yeah, his voice sounds a little clearer on this track but I would have to disagree with Nora that he's "BACK" or whatever.

[Saint John]

From what I heard from the Guff song, which wasn't as much as I'd hoped for, he sounds very much the same as the TBF era. Perhaps stronger in range, albeit a lower, raspier one.

[Rick]

From what I heard from the Guff song, which wasn't as much as I'd hoped for, he sounds very much the same as the TBF era. Perhaps stronger in range, albeit a lower, raspier one.

He's going backwards. I thought his voice was better on TBF than FTLOSM and better on the Guff tune in '06 than the Pack tune in '04.

[Saint John]

From what I heard from the Guff song, which wasn't as much as I'd hoped for, he sounds very much the same as the TBF era. Perhaps stronger in range, albeit a lower, raspier one.

He's going backwards. I thought his voice was better on TBF than FTLOSM and better on the Guff tune in '06 than the Pack tune in '04.

Works for me! Tell HIM that.

[Rick]

Works for me! Tell HIM that.

Gimme his number! I'd leave a message on his voice mail. "Sing Fucker!"

[Rockindeano]

Nice work Dan. Glad to see I am looked up so frequently. This was the height of Journey euphoria, not knowing lipping was happening, and battling with Loons...Oh I hate the loons....all of them.

I was SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong there....but in my defense, I didn't know what was happening.

Point to you on this one, but in all honesty, I might have been hammered to say Generations was better than escape. I did tell Neal he owed me 30 dollars for the shit that is Arrival, 13 and Gens...he laughed.

[Saint John]

Nice work Dan. Glad to see I am looked up so frequently. This was the height of Journey euphoria, not knowing lipping was happening, and battling with Loons...Oh I hate the loons....all of them.

I was SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong there....but in my defense, I didn't know what was happening.

Point to you on this one, but in all hoesty, I might have been hammered to say Generations was better than escape. I did tell Neal he owed me 30 dollars for the shit that is Arrrival, 13 and Gens...he laughed.

Don't think for a second that I was gonna HOLD you to that review. Just had to remind you of it. Though it was bad, really bad, we all do it. My buddy still taunts me for saying the Spurs would be nuts to take Tim Duncan over Ron Mercer. He fucks with me all the time. I hate it.

[Rockindeano]

Nice work Dan. Glad to see I am looked up so frequently. This was the height of Journey euphoria, not knowing lipping was happening, and battling with Loons...Oh I hate the loons....all of them.

I was SOOOOOOOOOOOO wrong there....but in my defense, I didn't know what was happening.

Point to you on this one, but in all hoesty, I might have been hammered to say Generations was better than escape. I did tell Neal he owed me 30 dollars for the shit that is Arrrival, 13 and Gens...he laughed.

Don't think for a second that I was gonna HOLD you to that review. Just had to remind you of it. Though it was bad, really bad, we all do it. My buddy still taunts me for saying the Spurs would be nuts to take Tim Duncan over Ron Mercer. He fucks with me all the time. I hate it.

You should be publicly flogged for even talking the shit that is NBA basketball. The worst ever sport.