Herbie Herbert (Credible or not)

[Henley]

Journey was a big cash cow in the early '80's and HH, admittedly was an unabashed capitalist. He didn't care what happened to SP's voice, he just wanted the money to keep rolling in. I'm sure Perry has a lot of resentment for that. They should have toured at a reasonable level to insure that Steve got proper vocal rest. They didn't do that, and I don't care what bootleg you listen to, Steve Perry gave it his all. He was a true showman.

Perfect post Rick, Herbie turned on Perry and I think the others followed his lead.

Now you're getting to the heart of the matter.

[Saint John]

Journey was a big cash cow in the early '80's and HH, admittedly was an unabashed capitalist. He didn't care what happened to SP's voice, he just wanted the money to keep rolling in. I'm sure Perry has a lot of resentment for that. They should have toured at a reasonable level to insure that Steve got proper vocal rest. They didn't do that, and I don't care what bootleg you listen to, Steve Perry gave it his all. He was a true showman.

Perfect post Rick, Herbie turned on Perry and I think the others followed his lead.

Yes. For all the credit, lauding and praise people give Hamburger Herbie I have to disagree. The dude toured relentlessly. He lacked the foresight to see that these guys were NOT a "flash in the pan." They were a legitimate music machine with true artists and a legion of faithful fans. Had they toured more responsibly, with proper rest and time off, we may have seen a Bon Jovi-like career of 20+ years. And shit, THAT would have pushed record sales WELL over 100 million. It may have also allowed them the time off from EACH OTHER needed to maintain a good, healthy working relationship. Instead, Captain Burger pushed them too much causing Perry's voice to change and them ultimately to get sick of one another. The rest is (sad) history.

[ohsherrie]

Yes. For all the credit, lauding and praise people give Hamburger Herbie I have to disagree. The dude toured relentlessly. He lacked the foresight to see that these guys were NOT a "flash in the pan." They were a legitimate music machine with true artists and a legion of faithful fans. Had they toured more responsibly, with proper rest and time off, we may have seen a Bon Jovi-like career of 20+ years. And shit, THAT would have pushed record sales WELL over 100 million. It may have also allowed them the time off from EACH OTHER needed to maintain a good, healthy working relationship. Instead, Captain Burger pushed them too much causing Perry's voice to change and them ultimately to get sick of one another. The rest is (sad) history.

SJ, Dan, you so completely rock with the truth.

[Crazie Scarab]

Journey was a big cash cow in the early '80's and HH, admittedly was an unabashed capitalist. He didn't care what happened to SP's voice, he just wanted the money to keep rolling in. I'm sure Perry has a lot of resentment for that. They should have toured at a reasonable level to insure that Steve got proper vocal rest. They didn't do that, and I don't care what bootleg you listen to, Steve Perry gave it his all. He was a true showman.

Perfect post Rick, Herbie turned on Perry and I think the others followed his lead.

Yes. For all the credit, lauding and praise people give Hamburger Herbie I have to disagree. The dude toured relentlessly. He lacked the foresight to see that these guys were NOT a "flash in the pan." They were a legitimate music machine with true artists and a legion of faithful fans. Had they toured more responsibly, with proper rest and time off, we may have seen a Bon Jovi-like career of 20+ years. And shit, THAT would have pushed record sales WELL over 100 million. It may have also allowed them the time off from EACH OTHER needed to maintain a good, healthy working relationship. Instead, Captain Burger pushed them too much causing Perry's voice to change and them ultimately to get sick of one another. The rest is (sad) history.

Interesting. There likely may just be a lot of truth surrounding your post here. I guess there very well could have been a "get it while you can" mentality working back then.. That's reasonable.

[Rick]

Journey was a big cash cow in the early '80's and HH, admittedly was an unabashed capitalist. He didn't care what happened to SP's voice, he just wanted the money to keep rolling in. I'm sure Perry has a lot of resentment for that. They should have toured at a reasonable level to insure that Steve got proper vocal rest. They didn't do that, and I don't care what bootleg you listen to, Steve Perry gave it his all. He was a true showman.

Perfect post Rick, Herbie turned on Perry and I think the others followed his lead.

Yes. For all the credit, lauding and praise people give Hamburger Herbie I have to disagree. The dude toured relentlessly. He lacked the foresight to see that these guys were NOT a "flash in the pan." They were a legitimate music machine with true artists and a legion of faithful fans. Had they toured more responsibly, with proper rest and time off, we may have seen a Bon Jovi-like career of 20+ years. And shit, THAT would have pushed record sales WELL over 100 million. It may have also allowed them the time off from EACH OTHER needed to maintain a good, healthy working relationship. Instead, Captain Burger pushed them too much causing Perry's voice to change and them ultimately to get sick of one another. The rest is (sad) history.

Interesting. There likely may just be a lot of truth surrounding your post here. I guess there very well could have been a "get it while you can" mentality working back then.. That's reasonable.

Herbie said it himself. "You gotta make hay while the sun is shining." He pushed too hard. They're doing the same thing now. Touring like fucking maniacs. Fried Augeri's voice the same way.

[Saint John]

Journey was a big cash cow in the early '80's and HH, admittedly was an unabashed capitalist. He didn't care what happened to SP's voice, he just wanted the money to keep rolling in. I'm sure Perry has a lot of resentment for that. They should have toured at a reasonable level to insure that Steve got proper vocal rest. They didn't do that, and I don't care what bootleg you listen to, Steve Perry gave it his all. He was a true showman.

Perfect post Rick, Herbie turned on Perry and I think the others followed his lead.

Yes. For all the credit, lauding and praise people give Hamburger Herbie I have to disagree. The dude toured relentlessly. He lacked the foresight to see that these guys were NOT a "flash in the pan." They were a legitimate music machine with true artists and a legion of faithful fans. Had they toured more responsibly, with proper rest and time off, we may have seen a Bon Jovi-like career of 20+ years. And shit, THAT would have pushed record sales WELL over 100 million. It may have also allowed them the time off from EACH OTHER needed to maintain a good, healthy working relationship. Instead, Captain Burger pushed them too much causing Perry's voice to change and them ultimately to get sick of one another. The rest is (sad) history.

Interesting. There likely may just be a lot of truth surrounding your post here. I guess there very well could have been a "get it while you can" mentality working back then.. That's reasonable.

Herbie said it himself. "You gotta make hay while the sun is shining." He pushed too hard. They're doing the same thing now. Touring like fucking maniacs. Fried Augeri's voice the same way.

Does anyone remember me ranting and raving like a fuckin' maniac when it came out that they were gonna play 16 shows in 24 days in Europe with Jeff? Kinda makes sense now. Herbie lacked foresight, these cocksuckers are just plain evil. After losing their prior 2 singers to burnout, they showed Soto as much care as a Jew in Auschwitz.

[ddregs]

Journey was a big cash cow in the early '80's and HH, admittedly was an unabashed capitalist. He didn't care what happened to SP's voice, he just wanted the money to keep rolling in. I'm sure Perry has a lot of resentment for that. They should have toured at a reasonable level to insure that Steve got proper vocal rest. They didn't do that, and I don't care what bootleg you listen to, Steve Perry gave it his all. He was a true showman.

Perfect post Rick, Herbie turned on Perry and I think the others followed his lead.

Now you're getting to the heart of the matter.

Now , substitute the word PERRY with the word Augeri, with a simple fact: Journey w/Augeri toured more than Journey w/Perry.

Maybe because the band members "wanted the money to keep rolling in". I'm sure Augeri has a lot of resentment for that. He burned his voice just as Perry did.

And this comes from a JSS fan here. Most probably this is not the reason at all for all the hate Herbert is releasing against Perry. As usual , there are 3 sides to every story, but it's very true there is a gag order for all band members to not speak anything at all regarding Perry. This is very suspicious: why? I lean to believe Herbert side until I hear different statements from band members.

[conversationpc]

Now , substitute the word PERRY with the word Augeri, with a simple fact: Journey w/Augeri toured more than Journey w/Perry.

Didn't Journey do well over a 100 shows a year between '78 and '83? I would almost be willing to bet that they did more shows with Perry than Augeri. That being said, they probably did tour too much with both guys.

[ArnelRox]

Great post Sherrie.

I look at the things HH says about all the guys in much the same way I look at the really trashy tabloid journalism. In most cases when he describe incidents or situations he's probably starting from a seed of what is a truth from his perspective. Then uses his bitter resentment and anger exaggerates it into sensationalism.

As I said before about his rants, if you were to have each one of the members that were in Journey from Infinity thru TBF recount to the best of his ability all that happened in the band during his tenure, no two stories would be the same, but none of them would have lied from their own point of view. The way events and situations are recounted are naturally colored by the teller's own personal memories which are influenced by the way the teller felt about them at the time. The stronger the feelings, the bitterer or sweeter account.

[ArnelRox]

Now , substitute the word PERRY with the word Augeri, with a simple fact: Journey w/Augeri toured more than Journey w/Perry.

Didn't Journey do well over a 100 shows a year between '78 and '83? I would almost be willing to bet that they did more shows with Perry than Augeri. That being said, they probably did tour too much with both guys.

If u look at some of the Perry years, they would tour for something like 21 nites in a row w/out a nite off anywhere in there. That's complete insanity for any singer's voice. Then, they'd have 1 nite off & go back at it for another 3 weeks.

Does anyone know the max amount of nites they did w/Augeri in a row before taking a day off? I know they did 3 some weeks, but it might have been 4 sometimes.