JC (Friga) Saint or Sinner - take no prisoners?

[Matthew]

I remember deano saying they were being looked at by some big labels and Andrew backing that up, but I don't remember hearing any ink was put to paper.

Red - I don't doubt for a minute that Azoff shopped the new line-up around and that the majors 'took a look'.

The key question is what happened then? Did they make offers? Or did they pass?

The local conjecture seems to lean in the direction that he got shitcanned with at least 1 big offer on the table.
Then of course, said offer was summarily ripped up by record company "X."

What constitutes big has not been disclosed.

Has Andrew confirmed this?

[chf34jmac]

I remember him saying something about it. So much stuff went down all at once it is hard to keep track of it all.

[Matthew]

I remember him saying something about it. So much stuff went down all at once it is hard to keep track of it all.

All I remember Andrew saying is that Journey were probably going to go it alone in the same way REO Speedwagon did earlier this year...

[Red13JoePa]

Has Andrew confirmed this?

As I recall it Andrew confirmed label interest.

But it being Journey anyway, I'm not a bit surprised there was interest from labels.

[Matthew]

Has Andrew confirmed this?

As I recall it Andrew confirmed label interest.

But it being Journey anyway, I'm not a bit surprised there was interest from labels.

Red - do you honestly believe Journey would turn down a huge wad of cash from anyone...let alone a major label? Come on...we are talking about a group who have played private corporate parties and cruise ships.

[chf34jmac]

I believe it Matthew. It's well documented that Neal is an idiot when it comes to money.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Yes, maybe. But Cain is a 57 multi-millionaire who has nothing to prove. I'm not sure how hungry I'd be in his position and at this age.

If he's not hungry then he needs to step down.

[Matthew]

I believe it Matthew. It's well documented that Neal is an idiot when it comes to money.

I'd say it's been proved he's an idiot when it comes to spending money...but he's no slouch at making it. He's better at it than I am and that's for sure....

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Excellent Fyre. That is the best post I have EVER read from you. Very well said. Bravo.

That's it. I'm done. I'm going out on top now just like SP!

[chf34jmac]

Oh hell yeah he's better at making it then I am also but that may be out of necessity. The way he blows through his cash, he's gotta keep finding ways to keep it coming in too. How much alimony? Child support? Failed Business ventures (SS for example) that one cost him 300K

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I believe it Matthew. It's well documented that Neal is an idiot when it comes to money.

I'd say it's been proved he's an idiot when it comes to spending money...but he's no slouch at making it. He's better at it than I am and that's for sure....

Me, too. That's why I'm so bitter and jealous towards him. The fact that he's more successful/talented than me despite being more vertically challenged than me pisses me off even more!

[Matthew]

Yes, maybe. But Cain is a 57 multi-millionaire who has nothing to prove. I'm not sure how hungry I'd be in his position and at this age.

If he's not hungry then he needs to step down.

You're talking to someone who deep down believes they should all have stepped down ten years ago, Fyre.

Let's not forget it has been you - not me - who has long been supportive of this hackathon which is modern Journey.

And since when have you joined this motley crew of JSS hand-wringers ands bed-wetters? Last I heard you were complaining that Journey were stuck in the past and that was BEFORE JSS was fired.

You just love a drama, don't you?

[Matthew]

Failed Business ventures (SS for example) that one cost him 300K

Maybe that explains why Schon wasn't prepared to risk any further cash on a JSS-fronted band..even if it was called Journey.

[Rockindeano]

And since when have you joined this motley crew of JSS hand-wringers ands bed-wetters? Last I heard you were complaining that Journey were stuck in the past and that was BEFORE JSS was fired.

You are a joke. Bed wetters? There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who have come to dig JSS because of who he is...the exact opposite is what shadows Friga. Nobody except you likes him. You're a much bigger bed wetter for Friga than people are for Jeff.

You just love a drama, don't you?

Speak for yourself Limey.

[Matthew]

You are a joke. Bed wetters? There are a lot of people here and elsewhere who have come to dig JSS because of who he is...the exact opposite is what shadows Friga.

Fine - dig the guy all you want - but show some class and graciousness and move on just like he has.

As for Cain...I like the guy for what he writes rather than who he is...but then I'm not a groupie so why would I give a shit about his off-stage behaviour?

[Little Lenny]

Yes, maybe. But Cain is a 57 multi-millionaire who has nothing to prove. I'm not sure how hungry I'd be in his position and at this age.

If he's not hungry then he needs to step down.

And since when have you joined this motley crew of JSS hand-wringers ands bed-wetters ...

I support JSS and I am most certainly not one of the above. JSS can boast a very busy career in Europe, and when he was given the chance to play in a band JOURNEY, that had been one of his main influences that has just heightened his profile.

please give credit where it is due, just because he is no longer with Journey does mean he can cut it, he most certainly can, as I'm sure most people would think so too.

....I think it was despicable how Journey let him the go, the manner in which they did, but that does not dtract from their musical Talent Either

[Matthew]

....I think it was despicable how Journey let him the go, the manner in which they did, but that does not dtract from their musical Talent Either

Exactly...and most people on this board (except the Loons) were prepared to support the band after all the other "despicable" firings in the past...so I'm sure it'll all blow over.

[Rockindeano]

Ok Matthew.

The person who SHOULD HAVE been fired is Friga.

Gee, how would you feel then Mr. Pom pom crotchbreath? Especially, if no one bothered to even FUCKING CALL YOU, RETURN YOUR CALL OR EMAILS!? No, they had a manager text Jeff and tell him that way.

Fucking cowards, ALL of them.

[Red13JoePa]

Has Andrew confirmed this?

As I recall it Andrew confirmed label interest.

But it being Journey anyway, I'm not a bit surprised there was interest from labels.

Red - do you honestly believe Journey would turn down a huge wad of cash from anyone...let alone a major label?

Of course not.

what I do know is that JSS is gone and neither side has said why officially other than canned "different direction" explanations. Collectively the board seems to have a NEED to find a villain/villains in the matter.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Yes, maybe. But Cain is a 57 multi-millionaire who has nothing to prove. I'm not sure how hungry I'd be in his position and at this age.

If he's not hungry then he needs to step down.

You're talking to someone who deep down believes they should all have stepped down ten years ago, Fyre.

Let's not forget it has been you - not me - who has long been supportive of this hackathon which is modern Journey.

And since when have you joined this motley crew of JSS hand-wringers ands bed-wetters? Last I heard you were complaining that Journey were stuck in the past and that was BEFORE JSS was fired.

You just love a drama, don't you?

I am a theatre guy at heart (note that I spelled theatre properly "re" ).

I don't have a membership card to anything - you know that! I'm the 8 ball here which is why I'm so adored

I've been complaining about JOURNEY being stuck in the past since 1998. The nature of JOURNEY has always been CHANGE. They haven't been true to their nature since ROR!

In JSS (as was the case with SA) they had a voice to take them to another place. Instead, they've pandered to the nostalgic fans. Now the rumour and most probable replacement is Jeremey. Great guy but he's being brought in because why? He can sing the Dirty Dozen "just like SP".

They've lost their way. Their IDENTITY is SP's voice. Hard to argue against that however they're NATURE is CHANGE. Every band member's arrival was a result of that nature - even SP's. SP helped create a legacy. He's one of the greatest artists to ever hold a mic. Instead of honoring this legacy by playing "his" songs according to the talent of a NEW singer - they openly seek after a voice who sounds "just like SP". I don't want this to get too far off track so I'll leave it at this: they're no longer credible to their fans but more importantly to themselves and their art.

[conversationpc]

I've been complaining about JOURNEY being stuck in the past since 1998. The nature of JOURNEY has always been CHANGE. They haven't been true to their nature since ROR!

I think they've done something different on each album since then. "Trial By Fire" certainly had some different sounds as did "Arrival", "Red 13", and "Generations". Now their live set is a different matter. They've relied much too heavily on the dirty dozen and ignored newer material, to the detriment of their fans, in my opinion.

[Matthew]

Ok Matthew.

The person who SHOULD HAVE been fired is Friga.

Great - another Soul Sirkus record - just what the world wants.

Gee, how would you feel then Mr. Pom pom crotchbreath?

Mr Pom Pom Crotchbreath would have felt sad about it. A true End of an Era...unlike all this drama you're trying to manufacture now.

Especially, if no one bothered to even FUCKING CALL YOU, RETURN YOUR CALL OR EMAILS!? No, they had a manager text Jeff and tell him that way.

Fucking cowards, ALL of them.

Deano - you're such a Schon arse-bandit that you just can't quite bring yourself to point the finger at the one guy who truly deserves it. It was Schon's call to make and you know it. Of all of them it was Schon who let JSS down.

[Rockindeano]

Of all of them it was Schon who let JSS down.

Can you prove that, other than that "it was his turn?"

Friga and Schon are both ass bandits, and need each other like a nun needs communion, however, I know what I know. Just what the fuck do you know. You jock Friga like he is your personal David Beckham. The guy is a prick, plain and simple.

PS- saying "arse" is THE gayest thing ever.

[Matthew]

Of all of them it was Schon who let JSS down.

Can you prove that, other than that "it was his turn?"

Friga and Schon are both ass bandits, and need each other like a nun needs communion, however, I know what I know. Just what the fuck do you know. You jock Friga like he is your personal David Beckham. The guy is a prick, plain and simple.

Well, I was listening to you bang on endlessly about how much of a "bro" JSS is to Schon....so I guess that's where I got the idea from....

PS- saying "arse" is THE gayest thing ever.

Would you rather I pretended to be American?

[mistiejourney]

I've been complaining about JOURNEY being stuck in the past since 1998. The nature of JOURNEY has always been CHANGE. They haven't been true to their nature since ROR!

I think they've done something different on each album since then. "Trial By Fire" certainly had some different sounds as did "Arrival", "Red 13", and "Generations". Now their live set is a different matter. They've relied much too heavily on the dirty dozen and ignored newer material, to the detriment of their fans, in my opinion.

Exactly!!! There was some great material on "Arrival", "Red 13" and "Generations". I wish they had played more of those three albums live. Perhaps picked six of the "dirty dozen" and interspersed the new material.

I saw them in Mountain View, CA last August with JSS and they played some deep tracks from "Escape" that I had never heard live before - even that was fantastic (for the record, JSS blew me away at the first note even though I missed SA).

For what it is worth, I absolutely love "Arrival" - I played (and still play) that one constantly. Neal is still the most melodic guitar player I've ever heard and Jon can play keyboards like nobody's business.

But....

Journey as I know it is over. I've probably seen them 20 times (came late to the group): two with SP, seventeen with SA and one with JSS and hearing the same old songs over and over is just not worth major bucks anymore (I always did the "All Access" packages), especially with a fourth lead singer, whose claim to fame is that he sounds like SP.

I'm starting to rant! Just a "newbie" with an opinion!

[Red13JoePa]

It's a catch 22 w/ new material.

The wine and cheese SUV-driving yuppie ADD ticket-buying crowd our bands have to pander to make mass exoduses to the concession stands at the first sign of something not off the GH albums let alone NEW

I'm sure our bands would love to play more diverse sets with new songs but they CAN'T.

JMJ, Journey advertised prior to the Generations tour that it would NOT be merely a DD/GH setlist and right away, night 1, the Irvine show the first chord of a non-hit comes through the PA and some brain surgeon screams "PLAY SOMETHING GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Some of us have the boot to prove it.


American audiences=complete ADD. Same line of reasoning why we need smaller, homerun friendly baseball parks and football changes the rules to make it easier for offenses to score.

We are boorish morons as audiences.

Maybe it's not just here anymore either. I see the Stones have dropped all songs from their new album now from the European setlists.


End of rant.

[Rockindeano]

Would you rather I pretended to be American?

No. Madonna pretends to be British and it's humorous....although if I were a Brit, I would want to be a Yankee instead.

[Rockindeano]

It's a catch 22 w/ new material.

The wine and cheese SUV-driving yuppie ADD ticket-buying crowd our bands have to pander to make mass exoduses to the concession stands at the first sign of something not off the GH albums let alone NEW

I'm sure our bands would love to play more diverse sets with new songs but the CAN'T.

JMJ, Journey advertised prior to the Generations tour that it would NOT be merely a DD/GH setlist and right away, night 1, the Irvine show the first chord of a non-hit comes through the PA and some brain surgeon screams "PLAY SOMETHING GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"


Some of us have the boot to prove it.


American audiences=complete ADD. Same line of reasoning why we need smaller, homerun friendly baseball parks and football changes the rules to make it easier for offenses to score.

Post was right on. You see BA, U2 and Bruce all play NEW stuff over in Europe, and they come here and with the exception of Bruce(who will do whatever the fuck he wants), they DO go to a more radio friendly setlist.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I've been complaining about JOURNEY being stuck in the past since 1998. The nature of JOURNEY has always been CHANGE. They haven't been true to their nature since ROR!

I think they've done something different on each album since then. "Trial By Fire" certainly had some different sounds as did "Arrival", "Red 13", and "Generations". Now their live set is a different matter. They've relied much too heavily on the dirty dozen and ignored newer material, to the detriment of their fans, in my opinion.

I agree to a point. I'd say: they've done something different but nothing different ENOUGH.

TBF is a sloppy, unfocused effort that contains all elements of their legacy work. The difference with TBF is Colors Of The Spirit.

Arrival is also unfocused and consists of an adult contemporary/Bad English/JOURNEY sound that never really said, "ARRIVAL". The difference with Arrival is Livin' To Do and Higher Place.

Red 13 is perhaps the most different thing they've done but it never went anywhere because it was too short. It's also disjointed. State Of Grace - clearly spiritual lyrics mixed with hard edged music results in anything but grace! The difference with Red 13 is WAFTE.

Generations is all over the map, too. The difference with Generations is Butterfly and Harm's Way.

All unfocused and disjointed efforts with not much difference offered.

[ArnelRox]