JC (Friga) Saint or Sinner - take no prisoners?

[RedWingFan]

Gotta jump in here. Just The Same Way, and Say You Will are NOT ballads!
Open Arms is a ballad. Keep on Loving you is a ballad. If Faithfully and Take It on the Run are ballads. They're of the power variety. But JTSW and SYW are definitly a big step up in tempo than those.

JTSY isn't a ballad? SYW isn't a ballad? What? They're totally ballads. Ok how about the song Perry wrote/co-wrote for Rock N Roll Soldiers "Waiting for No One"? That's labelled a BALLAD on their album on iTunes. It's more up-tempo than JTSY or SYW ever were.

Can you slow dance to JTSW or SYW? That's a better measuring stick than a label on itunes.

[ArnelRox]

[Matthew]

Bullshit. What is Foreigner's "Urgent"? Certainly not a ballad, certainly melodic rock, certainly their most famous song.

Uh, I believe that would be "Waiting For a Girl Like You"...Which is a ballad!

Yes - that one is better known than Urgent too.

[ArnelRox]

[RedWingFan]

I do NOT suck up to Jeff one bit. That is UTTER bullcrap.

Look at your sappy signature! Like some girl drawing love hearts in her notebook at school...

Uh, he's got you there JR

[ArnelRox]

[tj]

Gotta jump in here. Just The Same Way, and Say You Will are NOT ballads!
Open Arms is a ballad. Keep on Loving you is a ballad. If Faithfully and Take It on the Run are ballads. They're of the power variety. But JTSW and SYW are definitly a big step up in tempo than those.

JTSY isn't a ballad? SYW isn't a ballad? What? They're totally ballads. Ok how about the song Perry wrote/co-wrote for Rock N Roll Soldiers "Waiting for No One"? That's labelled a BALLAD on their album on iTunes. It's more up-tempo than JTSY or SYW ever were.

Can you slow dance to JTSW or SYW? That's a better measuring stick than a label on itunes.

What if I can't slow dance at all? I can do the middle aged balding white man shuffle. Is there a Journey song for that?

[ArnelRox]

[RedWingFan]

Bullshit. What is Foreigner's "Urgent"? Certainly not a ballad, certainly melodic rock, certainly their most famous song.

Uh, I believe that would be "Waiting For a Girl Like You"...Which is a ballad!

Yes - that one is better known than Urgent too.

See above. that's why they chose "Urgent" for the phone commercial.

I think they picked "Urgent" because of the content of the song. EMERGENCY...URGENT! Gotta get a hold of someone on my cell!!!! I'd bet WFAGLY and IWKWLI both charted higher than "Urgent". I by the way like "Urgent" better than the other two but wouldn't say it's nearly as popular.

Ask 10 people who aren't on this forum what song they know by Foreigner. They'll all start singing "Urgent". Trust me, I've done it.

Funny. But a sad commentary

[Matthew]

Just what I predicted. They're different to me & many other people.

Thanks for the clearly argued distinction, Nostradamus....

YSo Metallica is rock music for boys? NO they're METAL. Sheesh. Why do I even bother?

I'd say that by and large heavy metal is music for men.

Um no, u said it was ALL ballads.

Um..I said...and I quote: "Melodic rock is primarily famous for it's ballads and the occasional sing-along mid-tempo hit too."

I guess that's why the phone commercial played Urgent then. No way, Foreigner is WAAAY more famous for Urgent.

The phone commercial? Oh well...that proves it!

Tough? No. Argumentative, yes. Sissy-ish, yes.

And round and round she goes...in an endless loop....

I've got to log off now - but how about some new material tomorrow?

[ArnelRox]

[RedWingFan]

I think they picked "Urgent" because of the content of the song. EMERGENCY...URGENT! Gotta get a hold of someone on my cell!!!! I'd bet WFAGLY and IWKWLI both charted higher than "Urgent". I by the way like "Urgent" better than the other two but wouldn't say it's nearly as popular.

I'm not sure we can define the most popular song as the one that charted highest.

This from the band website. Not one mention of urgent

The recording of the next album, 4 [July 2, 1981], ended with the band lineup reduced to Jones, Gramm, Elliott and Rick Wills. Still Atlantic's best-selling album of all time, 4 produced Foreigner's top ranking single with "Waiting For A Girl Like You" staying at #2 for ten weeks of the five months it was on the national charts. Nearing the 10 million mark in sales, 4 is one of the most successful rock albums of all time. A classic on almost everyone's wish list.

[ArnelRox]

[ArnelRox]

[Arkansas]

Ya know, if NS is such a money-grubbing-whore, then why wouldn't he have stayed with Soto & the record label deal?
Point is, it was probably not really ever there. I mean, if some label was going to throw cash at them to make a new record and do some tour, we'd all agree that NS would be the first to jump all over it. But since he apparently hasn't, and the band has announced something about maintaining their "legacy sound", then maybe there's more money there, or just maybe that the label rumours were actually all about said legacy and NOT some speculative new direction.
Interesting thot...


later~

[conversationpc]

Sure but no doubt u'll have some argument about them. Off the top of my head:

Journey: Just The Same Way, Lights, Daydream, Winds of March. Foreigner: Say You Will. JSS: If This Is The End, This Ain't The Love, Nobody Said It Was Easy (Eyes), In Make Believe (Talisman)

Just a few examples of non-syrupy ballads.

I agree with Matthew and RaiderFan. "Just the Same Way" and "Say You Will" are not even close to being ballads. They are mid-tempo rock/pop songs.

I define metal & heavy as different genres. For example, Yngwie is HEAVY, but not metal. In fact, most of his stuff is too heavy for me.

I have a fairly extensive hard rock/metal/progressive metal collection. Yngwie's music is just as much heavy metal as any of the rest of it.

[Matthew]

I think they picked "Urgent" because of the content of the song. EMERGENCY...URGENT! Gotta get a hold of someone on my cell!!!! I'd bet WFAGLY and IWKWLI both charted higher than "Urgent". I by the way like "Urgent" better than the other two but wouldn't say it's nearly as popular.

I'm not sure we can define the most popular song as the one that charted highest.

I think we can! How else can we define its popularity? By how many of your friends sing it?

[Matthew]

I'd say that by and large heavy metal is music for men.

But the question is: is metal classified as melodic rock? Here's how someone on Amazon.com defines "melodic rock":

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/syltgu ... entries*=0

"melodic rock is the child parented by blues-oriented hard rock represented by Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin and progressive rock such as Yes, King Crimson, Pink Floyd, Rush and Emerson Lake and Palmer."

Not all ballads & mid-tempo by any means.

Susie - this article says that melodic rock was the "child" of hard rock and progressive rock. It doesn't say the melodic rock genre includes hard rock or progressive rock.

If you taking issue with the tempo...well, there are uptempo melodic rock songs for sure - such as "Dreams" by Van Halan and "More Than A Feeling" by Boston - but even these have the 'lightness' which you keep speaking of.....

[Matthew]

Ya know, if NS is such a money-grubbing-whore, then why wouldn't he have stayed with Soto & the record label deal?
Point is, it was probably not really ever there. I mean, if some label was going to throw cash at them to make a new record and do some tour, we'd all agree that NS would be the first to jump all over it....

Or the offer was so low they wouldn't have made a profit....

Either way...it clearly wasn't financially viable to start a genuinely new era of the band, unfortunately. And I reckon this - rather than Jonathan Cain's control-freakery, egomania and creative inertia - is the real reason why there are so many disappointed Journey fans at the moment.

[ArnelRox]

[ArnelRox]

[Matthew]

Go read Andrew's definition. I trust his opinion, do u?

Where have I said I disagreed with it?

I'm not taking issue w/the tempo. Just the syrupyness (is that a word?). Neither Dreams nor More Than A Feeling have the same mush as Faithfully.

Wow...that was a lot of drama and discussion just to establish that you don't like Faithfully. Delighted I got sucked into that one....

[Matthew]

Again, I trust Andrew & his comments about the "record deal" not all ur surmising.

Yes, I trust Andrew when he says that someone from the London office of a major label was interested in signing Journey. But so far Andrew has said nothing about the financial terms which were offered...if any.

[chf34jmac]

Financial terms are/were none of our business. If Drew says that they had a deal on the table, that's all I needed to know.

[ArnelRox]

[Red13JoePa]

Wow...that was a lot of drama and discussion just to establish that you don't like Faithfully. Delighted I got sucked into that one....

LOL, reams and reams of data and evidence.


Been down this road w/ Rox

[ArnelRox]

Yes, I trust Andrew when he says that someone from the London office of a major label was interested in signing Journey. But so far Andrew has said nothing about the financial terms which were offered...if any.

U think Andrew is gonna blab everything out on a public forum???? Are u entitled to know the details?

[Matthew]

Financial terms are/were none of our business. If Drew says that they had a deal on the table, that's all I needed to know.

Well, the terms are our business if the money wasn't right or the band didn't feel it was profitable because the consequences of that are that JSS got fired and there's no new album....

And is it any of our business whether or not JSS go let go nicely or not? Are any of the inner wortkings of this band our business? Because if they're not then I'd stop complaining about the personalities and dramas within the Journey camp....

[Matthew]

Yes, I trust Andrew when he says that someone from the London office of a major label was interested in signing Journey. But so far Andrew has said nothing about the financial terms which were offered...if any.

U think Andrew is gonna blab everything out on a public forum???? Are u entitled to know the details?

Of course I'm not "entitled". I'm simply curious.

Anyway, there's nothing indiscreet about saying whether the offer was substantial or not.

[chf34jmac]

Yes the letting go of Jeff or SA or Perry is our business since we are the ones who have to decide whether or not to continue to follow the band with a new lead singer who changes the sound of the songs as we knew them. How much they make a year is none of my business any more than how much you make a year. In both cases, none of my concern.