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Postby Crazie Scarab » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:42 pm

chf34jmac wrote:Dude stop! No one is asking you to throw away friendships. Why can't people have different opinions and still be friends? This is a simple disagreement of two peoples opinions. Why is that a bad thing? I don't agree with everything you say on here but you and I are still cool with each other. Why do you feel the need to bail? Just agree to disagree and move on from there. I respect the opinions of both of you and understand the points that you are both trying to get across. I don't necessarily agree with them but I respect your convictions in defending them.


"It goes on and on and on and on..."

Don't try to or pretend to understand it. It's just the way it is.
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:45 pm

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Yes, you're right. But it doesn't have to be that way. I have a feeling it has happened every time there has been a change in the band. I can't speak for past experiences cause I wasn't around here for any of them. I would think this is different though because of who is being discussed. There are personal relationships at stake here, on both sides of the fence. Those personal feelings are affecting opinions (as they should) and it's making it harder for people to be objective. Whether or not things will smooth over remains to be seen I guess. But...you said you were done with Journey and this board, and you came back. So anything is possible.


Ok donna, I get your point. If I were to walk away from the friendships I started, I guess that would make YOu happy. Ok, fine, I am walking away from the friendships we once had; I don't feel it anymore anyhow. You go and support your tribute singer, and i will stay true to my roots. I am done with you and your Virginia constituents, even though I love and respect DC Vader, AR and Joe Joe. I always said I would take the blame to alleviate an argument, and now I am, even tho you people make me fucking sicj the way you embrace the new Journey singer who isn't half as fucking good as the guy who was fired. Go ahead, fuel their pockets.

Donna, there is no coming back this time.


Once again, you absolutely DON'T get the point. Where did I EVER ask you to walk away from anything or anyone? You continue to try to make this into something it isn't. As a matter of fact, I am the one who has encouraged you over and over again to not give up on your friendships. You are done with me??? And my Virginia constituents??? Blame? Who is blaming you for anything? And who is arguing? Yes, it does make you sick that I have an opinion that differs from yours. I'm not 'embracing' anyone, but I continue to support BOTH singers until I have a reason not to any longer. I had no part in either the firing or the hiring, if that turns out to be the case. You love and respect Vader, AR, and Joe, but they have the same opinion that I have. So, it's not my opinion that you have a problem with, it's the fact that I state my opinion even if it is in conflict with yours.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:55 pm

RockinDeano wrote:I came back here for the simple reason the dumbfuck republican/conservatives were making a mockery of Al Gore, a guy who is trying to do some good in this world....


Dude, fucking Al Gore makes a mockery of himself! The dickhead thinks he is smarter than the rest of us. Fucker still hasn't come to the realization that he is a loser. Is he even trying to run for office of President of the US again? No. He is making so much money off the backs of blind followers by the way of a movement that is a full on fallacy. Global warming is nothing but about creating FEAR in as many people as possible so as to empower government.

IF there is any global warming going on at all, we, as humans have NOTHING to do with it. We haven't the ability.

I, for one, am not buying Al Gore's bullshit.
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Postby donnaplease » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:07 pm

RockinDeano wrote:
I came back here for the simple reason the dumbfuck republican/conservatives were making a mockery of Al Gore, a guy who is trying to do some good in this world....Fuck you Donna, I will go to the BA/JSS boards.



Just saw this part. Don't know if it was there before or not. I don't have a problem with you being here. What I was saying was that you found your way back here, and if that's possible, perhaps it's possible for differences to be mended at some point. I'm sure things were more heated at the height of tapegate than they are now. But thanks for the 'fuck you' sentiment. I really appreciate that. At one time it would have really hurt my feelings. I guess I'm used to it by now though.
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:08 pm

NoMoJo wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:I came back here for the simple reason the dumbfuck republican/conservatives were making a mockery of Al Gore, a guy who is trying to do some good in this world....


Dude, fucking Al Gore makes a mockery of himself! The dickhead thinks he is smarter than the rest of us. Fucker still hasn't come to the realization that he is a loser. Is he even trying to run for office of President of the US again? No. He is making so much money off the backs of blind followers by the way of a movement that is a full on fallacy. Global warming is nothing but about creating FEAR in as many people as possible so as to empower government.

IF there is any global warming going on at all, we, as humans have NOTHING to do with it. We haven't the ability.

I, for one, am not buying Al Gore's bullshit.


You sir are a dumbshit. Hate Mr Gore all you want, but the man actually cares about people and the planet. hahaha, yea, a stupid tree hugger right? Go fuck yourself jackass. Al Gore is a great American.

Global warming isn't an American problem, it's a world problem and an American is trying to fix it. hopefully, after the evil republicans are defeated, soundly in 2008, we can make some progress on the world's environment.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:14 pm

RockinDeano wrote:
NoMoJo wrote:
RockinDeano wrote:I came back here for the simple reason the dumbfuck republican/conservatives were making a mockery of Al Gore, a guy who is trying to do some good in this world....


Dude, fucking Al Gore makes a mockery of himself! The dickhead thinks he is smarter than the rest of us. Fucker still hasn't come to the realization that he is a loser. Is he even trying to run for office of President of the US again? No. He is making so much money off the backs of blind followers by the way of a movement that is a full on fallacy. Global warming is nothing but about creating FEAR in as many people as possible so as to empower government.

IF there is any global warming going on at all, we, as humans have NOTHING to do with it. We haven't the ability.

I, for one, am not buying Al Gore's bullshit.


You sir are a dumbshit. Hate Mr Gore all you want, but the man actually cares about people and the planet. hahaha, yea, a stupid tree hugger right? Go fuck yourself jackass. Al Gore is a great American.

Global warming isn't an American problem, it's a world problem and an American is trying to fix it. hopefully, after the evil republicans are defeated, soundly in 2008, we can make some progress on the world's environment.


I just love you, Deano! Even though you are a dumbershit! :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:15 pm

donnaplease wrote:
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I came back here for the simple reason the dumbfuck republican/conservatives were making a mockery of Al Gore, a guy who is trying to do some good in this world....Fuck you Donna, I will go to the BA/JSS boards.



Just saw this part. Don't know if it was there before or not. I don't have a problem with you being here. What I was saying was that you found your way back here, and if that's possible, perhaps it's possible for differences to be mended at some point.


No, there isn't a chance at repairing things. Not now. I don't think there will be another chance sadly.
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Postby 7 Wishes » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:14 pm

NoMoJo wrote:Dude, fucking Al Gore makes a mockery of himself! The dickhead thinks he is smarter than the rest of us. Fucker still hasn't come to the realization that he is a loser. Is he even trying to run for office of President of the US again? No. He is making so much money off the backs of blind followers by the way of a movement that is a full on fallacy. Global warming is nothing but about creating FEAR in as many people as possible so as to empower government.

IF there is any global warming going on at all, we, as humans have NOTHING to do with it. We haven't the ability.

I, for one, am not buying Al Gore's bullshit.


You are a dumbassed ignoramus if you believe the shit you are spewing. That global warming exists and was caused by human activity, ignorance, and industrial pollution is an indisputable fact. Only dittoheads believe this crap anymore. This is NOT a Republican vs. Democrat issue, or Labour vs. Social Conservative...for anyone to reduce it to those terms is ridiculous.

You SHOULD be afraid...if you have a conscience. If you have children, you should want to leave this world a better place than when you arrived. If that's too lofty for you, just try helping out a LITTLE to save the world before it's too late. Get off your soapbox, dude, and get your head out of your ass. Even the most conservative elements in governments in the US and UK have come to realize global warming is a reality.
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Postby Crazie Scarab » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:25 pm

Naughtius Maximus wrote:
NoMoJo wrote:Dude, fucking Al Gore makes a mockery of himself! The dickhead thinks he is smarter than the rest of us. Fucker still hasn't come to the realization that he is a loser. Is he even trying to run for office of President of the US again? No. He is making so much money off the backs of blind followers by the way of a movement that is a full on fallacy. Global warming is nothing but about creating FEAR in as many people as possible so as to empower government.

IF there is any global warming going on at all, we, as humans have NOTHING to do with it. We haven't the ability.

I, for one, am not buying Al Gore's bullshit.


You are a dumbassed ignoramus if you believe the shit you are spewing. That global warming exists and was caused by human activity, ignorance, and industrial pollution is an indisputable fact. Only dittoheads believe this crap anymore. This is NOT a Republican vs. Democrat issue, or Labour vs. Social Conservative...for anyone to reduce it to those terms is ridiculous.

You SHOULD be afraid...if you have a conscience. If you have children, you should want to leave this world a better place than when you arrived. If that's too lofty for you, just try helping out a LITTLE to save the world before it's too late. Get off your soapbox, dude, and get your head out of your ass. Even the most conservative elements in governments in the US and UK have come to realize global warming is a reality.


Keep TRYING the scare tactics and name-calling. It won't work here. I have kids. I have grand-children. I have the best looking spot on the block. The cleanest. I do more than you can even imagine to protect the environment. You don't even know me and you have zero scientific facts to back up any claims made. So, who is it that is a dumbassed ignoramus?

Fuck, am I sorry I even get involved in the stupid shit!
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Postby 7 Wishes » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:33 pm

NoMoJo wrote:Keep TRYING the scare tactics and name-calling. It won't work here. I have kids. I have grand-children. I have the best looking spot on the block. The cleanest. I do more than you can even imagine to protect the environment. You don't even know me and you have zero scientific facts to back up any claims made. So, who is it that is a dumbassed ignoramus?

Fuck, am I sorry I even get involved in the stupid shit!


Read this first, and then the rest.

http://www.royalsoc.ac.uk/displaypagedoc.asp?id=13618

It's you ultra-conservative dittoheads that engage in name-calling when the facts don't jibe with your invalid assertions.

I guess these facts aren't enough for you...

MYTH: The science of global warming is too uncertain to act on.

FACT: There is no debate among scientists about the basic facts of global warming.

The most respected scientific bodies have stated unequivocally that global warming is occurring, and people are causing it by burning fossil fuels (like coal, oil and natural gas) and cutting down forests. The U.S. National Academy of Sciences, which in 2005 the White House called "the gold standard of objective scientific assessment," issued a joint statement with 10 other National Academies of Science saying "the scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action. It is vital that all nations identify cost-effective steps that they can take now, to contribute to substantial and long-term reduction in net global greenhouse gas emissions." (Joint Statement of Science Academies: Global Response to Climate Change [PDF], 2005)

The only debate in the science community about global warming is about how much and how fast warming will continue as a result of heat-trapping emissions. Scientists have given a clear warning about global warming, and we have more than enough facts — about causes and fixes — to implement solutions right now.

MYTH: Even if global warming is a problem, addressing it will hurt American industry and workers.

FACT: A well designed trading program will harness American ingenuity to decrease heat-trapping pollution cost-effectively, jumpstarting a new carbon economy.

Claims that fighting global warming will cripple the economy and cost hundreds of thousands of jobs are unfounded. In fact, companies that are already reducing their heat-trapping emissions have discovered that cutting pollution can save money. The cost of a comprehensive national greenhouse gas reduction program will depend on the precise emissions targets, the timing for the reductions and the means of implementation. An independent MIT study found that a modest cap-and-trade system would cost less than $20 per household annually and have no negative impact on employment.

Experience has shown that properly designed emissions trading programs can reduce compliance costs significantly compared with other regulatory approaches. For example, the U.S. acid rain program reduced sulfur dioxide emissions by more than 30 percent from 1990 levels and cost industry a fraction of what the government originally estimated, according to EPA. Furthermore, a mandatory cap on emissions could spur technological innovation that could create jobs and wealth. Letting global warming continue until we are forced to address it on an emergency basis could disrupt and severely damage our economy. It is far wiser and more cost-effective to act now.

MYTH: Water vapor is the most important, abundant greenhouse gas. So if we’re going to control a greenhouse gas, why don’t we control it instead of carbon dioxide (CO2)?

FACT: Although water vapor traps more heat than CO2, because of the relationships among CO2, water vapor and climate, to fight global warming nations must focus on controlling CO2.

Atmospheric levels of CO2 are determined by how much coal, natural gas and oil we burn and how many trees we cut down, as well as by natural processes like plant growth. Atmospheric levels of water vapor, on the other hand, cannot be directly controlled by people; rather, they are determined by temperatures. The warmer the atmosphere, the more water vapor it can hold. As a result, water vapor is part of an amplifying effect. Greenhouse gases like CO2 warm the air, which in turn adds to the stock of water vapor, which in turn traps more heat and accelerates warming. Scientists know this because of satellite measurements documenting a rise in water vapor concentrations as the globe has warmed.

The best way to lower temperature and thus reduce water vapor levels is to reduce CO2 emissions.

MYTH: Global warming and extra CO2 will actually be beneficial — they reduce cold-related deaths and stimulate crop growth.

FACT: Any beneficial effects will be far outweighed by damage and disruption.

Even a warming in just the middle range of scientific projections would have devastating impacts on many sectors of the economy. Rising seas would inundate coastal communities, contaminate water supplies with salt and increase the risk of flooding by storm surge, affecting tens of millions of people globally. Moreover, extreme weather events, including heat waves, droughts and floods, are predicted to increase in frequency and intensity, causing loss of lives and property and throwing agriculture into turmoil.

Even though higher levels of CO2 can act as a plant fertilizer under some conditions, scientists now think that the "CO2 fertilization" effect on crops has been overstated; in natural ecosystems, the fertilization effect can diminish after a few years as plants acclimate. Furthermore, increased CO2 may benefit undesirable, weedy species more than desirable species.

Higher levels of CO2 have already caused ocean acidification, and scientists are warning of potentially devastating effects on marine life and fisheries. Moreover, higher levels of regional ozone (smog), a result of warmer temperatures, could worsen respiratory illnesses. Less developed countries and natural ecosystems may not have the capacity to adapt.

The notion that there will be regional “winners” and “losers” in global warming is based on a world-view from the 1950’s. We live in a global community. Never mind the moral implications — when an environmental catastrophe creates millions of refugees half-way around the world, Americans are affected.

MYTH: Global warming is just part of a natural cycle. The Arctic has warmed up in the past.

FACT: The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.

People are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal and natural gas) and cutting down forests. Scientists have shown that these activities are pumping far more CO2 into the atmosphere than was ever released in hundreds of thousands of years. This buildup of CO2 is the biggest cause of global warming. Since 1895, scientists have known that CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap heat and warm the earth. As the warming has intensified over the past three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. Scientists have considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic eruptions and cosmic rays. (IPCC 2001)

Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)

As for previous Arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm periods over the Arctic earlier in the 20th century. The limited records available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. But that episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. Why? For one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.

We know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and Arctic ice has been melting persistently. And unlike the earlier periods of Arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in Arctic temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will prevent that from happening.
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Postby Moon Beam » Mon Jul 23, 2007 4:51 pm

Dean, why for the love of life to you do this shit?




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Postby Liam » Mon Jul 23, 2007 5:54 pm

Well shit. My laptop crashes and I miss all of this.

Alls I gots to say is Deano and Donna...ease up on eachother. You don't want to throw something away that you 2 have built up PAST Journey. FUCK JOURNEY. This is FRIENDSHIP we're talkin' here.
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Postby Eric » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:38 pm

The earth is always changing regarding the climate.......

Chalfant's cover album sucked...........

Jeremy's voice is thin from the clips I've heard..........

I will only support Journey if they create new music.......

Al Gore is a tool...........

Oh Sherrie is like the rest of us...she stuck around because the music means a lot to her and she wants to like Journey, but she will only support them if they are legit......
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Postby ohsherrie » Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:44 pm

Eric wrote:
Oh Sherrie is like the rest of us...she stuck around because the music means a lot to her and she wants to like Journey, but she will only support them if they are legit......


Thank you Eric. I'm glad somebody gets it.
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Postby garysings » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:18 am

chf34jmac wrote:Gary whatever the fuck your name is,

Don't come on here slamming a guy that's been here for quite some time and that a lot of know just to promote some whom you'd like to get ass fucked by. Jeremey is a good dude with a great voice for the Journey catalog and I hope for him and his family he gets the gig. I realize that Chalfant is your cup of tea but don't come into Jeremey's house here and start telling him what you don't like about him.


Obviously you are very emotionally connected to Jeremy to respond in such a passionate way, you are much more passionate about Jeremy than I am about Kevin. By your logic in what you said about me, you must be taking it in the ass 7 nights a week by your beloved. Haha. and that is directed to you not Jeremy.

I said Jeremy was a GREAT singer, you only said he was GOOD. Oh I didnt realize this was Jeremys house. Maybe suggest it to the mods as another forum idea. Journey, Styx, Jeremys House. etc etc. you are worse than he Nazis at backtalk. I haevnt heard Kevins Journey covers but I would like to if anyone has links to post that would be great. and for the other poster who said I was wrong about Kevin being better than Jeremy, I respect your opinion, thos frontiers clips were good. Id like to hear Kevin sing journey songs to decide. Still what I said is true, neal wants an effigy to burn.

Hey colonel potter dont take it so personally bro. You need to get a life man. haha
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Postby BobbyinTN » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:19 am

Why are republicans so afraid of admitting global warming is partly caused by man?

I simply do get it.
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Postby chf34jmac » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:23 am

Hey cockswallow! It is far more his than it will ever be yours. He comes in and contributes. You join and immediately start trashing people. You ought to attempt to get to know people before you trash them. Between this forum and the others I dabble in, I have seen your likes before so the get to know you shit was done after your initial post. Just another refugee looking for a territory I suppose.
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Postby garysings » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:30 am

chf34jmac wrote:Hey cockswallow! It is far more his than it will ever be yours. He comes in and contributes. You join and immediately start trashing people. You ought to attempt to get to know people before you trash them. Between this forum and the others I dabble in, I have seen your likes before so the get to know you shit was done after your initial post. Just another refugee looking for a territory I suppose.


More homosexual references. . you must think about that stuff a lot. hahaha, I guess you just think of whatever is fresh in your mind. Hey you might want to wipe your chin bro. Go look in the mirror. haah..

The only one being trashed here is me. .. and now you are trashing yourself with your own stupidity. Im a Journey fan, not a steve perry , kevin C , SA , JSS etc etc ad nauseum fan. .. as far as my likes... there one of you on every board, and this is your territory and life. .. I dont want to take that away from you bro because Im sure its all you have based on your fearful reaction to an opposing opinion.

On a side note I think its funny, nobody comes to the defense of Neal, the founder of the band. but they rush to defend beloved Jeremy from someone who called him a Great singer, and he isnt even in the band yet. BWHAHAHH! Seriously bro, go start a Jeremys House section...
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:31 am

chf34jmac wrote:Hey cockswallow! It is far more his than it will ever be yours. He comes in and contributes. You join and immediately start trashing people. You ought to attempt to get to know people before you trash them. Between this forum and the others I dabble in, I have seen your likes before so the get to know you shit was done after your initial post. Just another refugee looking for a territory I suppose.


amen! and why is it that we need to "get a life"? this guy signs up , gets deleted, gets back, to type to you to "get a life",,someone delete him again....maybe its gary cherone? :shock:

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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:32 am

BobbyinTN wrote:Why are republicans so afraid of admitting global warming is partly caused by man?

I simply do get it.


Global warming is POSSIBLY aided by man but the science is not conclusive. That's all I have to say here. If you'd like further discussion, move it to another thread.
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:35 am

garysings wrote:nobody comes to the defense of Neal, the founder of the band. ...


you should have been here a 2 months ago!! he was the most supported band member ever..
the guitar player you mention isnt in everyones positive light right now.. favorite player or
not, he has proven that he can be rather conniving.
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Postby Lady Luck » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:36 am

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chf34jmac wrote:Whew, for a minute there I thought he was going to tell you to register at Piggly Wiggly.



ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,,, ,,, piggly wiggly used to rock!!! 8) hahahahahhahahaha,, jerk!! :lol: i havent heard piggly wiggly in years... uhhhhhhhh...


There's a piggly wiggly in my hometown. Well its something else now, but everyone still calls it the Piggly Wiggly. Even though it hasn't been that since.... ooohh 89?


We still have Hoggly Woggly's here in North Florida. :lol:
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Postby chf34jmac » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:41 am

Why should anyone come to the defense of the spineless midget? Yes he is one of the founders of the band, however his absolute stupidity when it comes to business is indefensible. You want clarification, go look at the Herbie Herbert interview where he says that Neal is one of the stupidest people he has ever met when it comes to business and money management.


I really do not give a rat's ass about opposing opinions. You're entitled to yours as much as anyone else. My point is this, Jeff used to come in here and had to see asshole comments made by shitheads like you all the time and suddenly he visited less and less frequently. Same thing can currently be said about Jeremey. He used to be a real regular poster, but because of all of the negativity towards him, he barely ever pops in here anymore. Truly sad thing about that is that he hasn't even had the job offered to him yet. The guy shouldn't have been run off based on a "might happen" situation. There is NO guarantee that he is the new singer. The band has said nothing yet, however the anti Jeremey pile on continues.
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Postby cookieduster » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:43 am

Neal Schon is an amazing talent that I've enjoyed listening to for about 25 years.
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Postby garysings » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:53 am

Guys like Jeremy have a thick skin bro, they are loved by millions, and hated by some, and are simply called only Great by otheres like me. Im sure it doesnt hurt his feelings when someone says they like Kevin C better. BUT when he reads the swearing, gay words, and general hate that flows out of your keyboard, that not only turns him off Im sure but alos turn away a lot of people who would and could make interesting and meaningful insightful contributions to the board so please tone it down a bit. Then again, others Im sure enjoy the drama and come here just for that. but if you want to attract quality intelligent posters, youre gonna have to tone that down.
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Postby chf34jmac » Tue Jul 24, 2007 12:59 am

I have plenty of insightful conversations with lots of the posters on this board. And J has already thanked me for coming to his defense on more than one occasion. I talk to him a lot more than you know and he is a really great guy. You are right that I didn't call him a great singer, that to me implies that he would have nowhere to go but down. I think the best is yet to come from him be it with Journey or with his band Frontiers.

Happy now, meaningful conversation without curses.
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Postby garysings » Tue Jul 24, 2007 1:26 am

Thank you Sherm, and please give Jeremy my regards. :)
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Postby maverick218 » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:48 am

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Postby 7 Wishes » Tue Jul 24, 2007 2:49 am

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Global warming is POSSIBLY aided by man but the science is not conclusive. That's all I have to say here. If you'd like further discussion, move it to another thread.


That's just not true, bro. You're a standup dude, very intelligent, and very informed, but there is no debate about the causes of global warming. The CO2 levels right now are 600% higher than they EVER have been in the history of the world - and it started to increase at the exact start of industrialization.
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Postby Wheels Of Fyre » Tue Jul 24, 2007 3:04 am

Naughtius Maximus wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
Global warming is POSSIBLY aided by man but the science is not conclusive. That's all I have to say here. If you'd like further discussion, move it to another thread.


That's just not true, bro. You're a standup dude, very intelligent, and very informed, but there is no debate about the causes of global warming. The CO2 levels right now are 600% higher than they EVER have been in the history of the world - and it started to increase at the exact start of industrialization.


I'm with Dave and NoMoJo.

Earth (perhaps more accurately should be called Water) is a LIVING biosphere that has seen so many changes. The poles have even flipped before so that North was actually Souht! Another flip is bound to occur. When it does cancer will be rampant because the Earth's magnetic field will have small holes in it for several hundred years until it finishes it's flip. These holes will permit the Sun's solar wind to penetrate exposing life to fatal doses of radiation.

When this global warming scare is over and Al Gore is dead from living his high lifestyle and generating a carbon footprint bigger than myself and 100 other friends combined some other bastard will be making money off the upcoming pole flip by claiming humans have somehow brought it about.
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