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GollyWally wrote:Ok, we've done ROR versus TBF AND Escape versus Frontiers.
How about Evolution versus Departure? <<<GollyWally beating a dead horse>>>
VERY different disks IMO. I personally like Evolution better--one of my all-time favorites.
The album has an almost astral, or dreamlike, quality to it that I really like. Speaking of which, I love Daydream on Evolution. Very cool tune. Also like Sweet & Simple, When You're Alone it Ain't Easy and Just the Same Way.
Matthew wrote:Let's be honest...the two records sound almost identical...if you mixed the two albums up on an iPod shuffle it would sound like a seamless playlist...
Matthew wrote:Let's be honest...the two records sound almost identical...if you mixed the two albums up on an iPod shuffle it would sound like a seamless playlist...
conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:Let's be honest...the two records sound almost identical...if you mixed the two albums up on an iPod shuffle it would sound like a seamless playlist...
Nah...The production on "Departure" seems more "live" than does "Evolution". The rockers on "Departure" also sound different, in my opinion.
NealIsGod wrote:The differences in the sound of the band from Infinity to Evolution to Departure is not drastic. Then came E5C4P3, which was much more polished. I would have liked another record with that sound. But then they took a left turn with Frontiers, which did work. But then they became a pure pop outfit with ROR.
Matthew wrote:conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:Let's be honest...the two records sound almost identical...if you mixed the two albums up on an iPod shuffle it would sound like a seamless playlist...
Nah...The production on "Departure" seems more "live" than does "Evolution". The rockers on "Departure" also sound different, in my opinion.
Yes - and maybe "Departure" is a bit more 'blues rock' than Evolution as well. But we're talking about minor nuances here. Put Escape and Frontiers and ROR on a playlist together and it wouldn't sound coherant at all. The differences between those three albums are huge in comparison - mainly because Journey were evolving at a more rapid and dramatic rate than they were on the first three Perry albums which all have a basic sameyness about them. I've always totally understood why Rolie felt he could contribute no more to the band after Departure. The band were stuck in a tight formula they needed to shake up a bit....
conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:Let's be honest...the two records sound almost identical...if you mixed the two albums up on an iPod shuffle it would sound like a seamless playlist...
Nah...The production on "Departure" seems more "live" than does "Evolution". The rockers on "Departure" also sound different, in my opinion.
Yes - and maybe "Departure" is a bit more 'blues rock' than Evolution as well. But we're talking about minor nuances here. Put Escape and Frontiers and ROR on a playlist together and it wouldn't sound coherant at all. The differences between those three albums are huge in comparison - mainly because Journey were evolving at a more rapid and dramatic rate than they were on the first three Perry albums which all have a basic sameyness about them. I've always totally understood why Rolie felt he could contribute no more to the band after Departure. The band were stuck in a tight formula they needed to shake up a bit....
Infinity and Evolution sound pretty much the same. Departure sounds totally different.
Matthew wrote:conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:Let's be honest...the two records sound almost identical...if you mixed the two albums up on an iPod shuffle it would sound like a seamless playlist...
Nah...The production on "Departure" seems more "live" than does "Evolution". The rockers on "Departure" also sound different, in my opinion.
Yes - and maybe "Departure" is a bit more 'blues rock' than Evolution as well. But we're talking about minor nuances here. Put Escape and Frontiers and ROR on a playlist together and it wouldn't sound coherant at all. The differences between those three albums are huge in comparison - mainly because Journey were evolving at a more rapid and dramatic rate than they were on the first three Perry albums which all have a basic sameyness about them. I've always totally understood why Rolie felt he could contribute no more to the band after Departure. The band were stuck in a tight formula they needed to shake up a bit....
Infinity and Evolution sound pretty much the same. Departure sounds totally different.
No. It doesn't, Dave. You're lying.
conversationpc wrote:
How could I be lying when it is my opinion? Makes no sense.
Matthew wrote:conversationpc wrote:
How could I be lying when it is my opinion? Makes no sense.
You know I'm right about this and that Departure is by no means "totally different" to the previous two. Yet your pride prevents you from admitting this...
Well, that's my theory anyway.
conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:conversationpc wrote:
How could I be lying when it is my opinion? Makes no sense.
You know I'm right about this and that Departure is by no means "totally different" to the previous two. Yet your pride prevents you from admitting this...
Well, that's my theory anyway.
I have no pride invested in my opinion on what those first three Perry-era albums sound like. To me, the first two sound alike and Departure doesn't. Simple as that.
Matthew wrote:Okay Dave. Fair enough. But will you at least accept that the differences between the later albums are greater than the differences between Evolution and Departure?
conversationpc wrote:Matthew wrote:Let's be honest...the two records sound almost identical...if you mixed the two albums up on an iPod shuffle it would sound like a seamless playlist...
Nah...The production on "Departure" seems more "live" than does "Evolution". The rockers on "Departure" also sound different, in my opinion.
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GollyWally wrote:NealIsGod wrote:The differences in the sound of the band from Infinity to Evolution to Departure is not drastic. Then came E5C4P3, which was much more polished. I would have liked another record with that sound. But then they took a left turn with Frontiers, which did work. But then they became a pure pop outfit with ROR.
I agree 100% with your analysis. ROR was WAY too influenced by Perry's solo success. Another Mike Stone/Kevin Elson produced record would have been much better than ROR.
tj wrote:Infinity - Added Perry, produced by Roy Thomas Baker
Evolution - added Smith, produced by RTB
Departure - produced by Geoff Workman/Elson
bluejeangirl76 wrote:I'm going with Evolution as the better of the two because while I love Departure, that material was so much better live than it is on the album. The album versions when compared to the live tracks seem a little boring. Every song on Departure that was ever played live was 100 times better on the stage. They should have been recorded with the spin that was later put on them.
Rick wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:I'm going with Evolution as the better of the two because while I love Departure, that material was so much better live than it is on the album. The album versions when compared to the live tracks seem a little boring. Every song on Departure that was ever played live was 100 times better on the stage. They should have been recorded with the spin that was later put on them.
That is very true about Departure.
conversationpc wrote:Now that you mention it, I think you're right. "Walks Like a Lady", in particular, is light years better live than it is on the album.
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