why steve perry will never rejoin journey

[conversationpc]

Own this.
I'm anti-death penalty, too.


However, those poor souls subjected to it, at least HAD a chance to avoid it. The murder of a living child?

Pfff. you gotta be shitting me.

That's ridiculous, especially when God created imperfect humans.

Read again: Government cannot legislate morality.

Government can and does legislate morality. That's why we have any laws in the first place. It's just a question of whose morality is it going to be?

[StyxCollector]

So someone who is raped and got pregnant that way should have a child that she doesn't want? Cut me a break. I would bet most anti-abortion people would think differently if that was their wife/mother/daugher/girlfriend would support it wholeheartedly.

Another good example: if a 16 year old stupidly gets pregnant, she should have the choice to abort, carry to term and raise the child, or carry to term and give the baby up for adoption. You should never force someone to do something they don't want to do.

There are also medical reasons you may need to abort. It's not a form of birth control.

This is what pro-choice is all about. It's not about making sure every baby out there is aborted. It's about allowing someone to make the right decision for them. I don't think that anyone who makes the choice to abort does it flippantly.

Bottom line: abortion is not murder. It's not like people go to the 7-11 and get an abortion done; it's not as pervasive as people would make it out to be. Unfortunately the old back alley coat hangar stuff will come back if it's made illegal again - and that is infinitely more dangerous.

[Red13JoePa]

Bottom line: abortion is not murder. It's not like people go to the 7-11 and get an abortion done

Many pro abornists try to say that this is EXACTLY what will happen when their "right" to kill their unborn babies is removed.


Gimme a break. Carry the innocent baby to term.

[conversationpc]

So someone who is raped and got pregnant that way should have a child that she doesn't want? Cut me a break. I would bet most anti-abortion people would think differently if that was their wife/mother/daugher/girlfriend would support it wholeheartedly.

Too bad there's not a good study on the subject since it's fairly rare but I would be willing to bet that most women who get an abortion after being raped now regret having done that.

I personally know lots of couples who are now parents because a birthmother decided to be selfless and give birth in order to give couples who could not have their own children the opportunity to be parents.

[Red13JoePa]

So someone who is raped and got pregnant that way should have a child that she doesn't want? Cut me a break. I would bet most anti-abortion people would think differently if that was their wife/mother/daugher/girlfriend would support it wholeheartedly.

Too bad there's not a good study on the subject since it's fairly rare but I would be willing to bet that most women who get an abortion after being raped now regret having done that.

Boy do they go to the well on it, though.

That's EVERY abortion ever committed according to that side. Hard luck stories about rape incest and life threatening pregnancies.

Christ, I'd have MORE respect for the mentality if they just copped to it and admitted: "If I don't FEEL like having a baby, I want to be able to erase the pregnancy by killing it."

[Soto All The Way]

If I use Jesus Fuckin' Christ again, can we forgo the politics.....


Fuck!!!

e-

[Red13JoePa]

LOL sorry Edo...I don't normally partake.

[Rockindeano]

Bottom line: abortion is not murder. It's not like people go to the 7-11 and get an abortion done

Many pro abornists try to say that this is EXACTLY what will happen when their "right" to kill their unborn babies is removed.


Gimme a break. Carry the innocent baby to term.

What? What if the baby has no arms, no head, luekemia, Downs Syndrome or some other disease? What if Reardon was in there, or W? That is cause for any abortion.

[Red13JoePa]

"No head?"




Deano....

That's fucking riDICulous.

[Granny]

give it a rest, Joe, those things do happen...

that shouldn't be discussed here anyway....you make me sick! A woman has the right to choose and it will stay that way!

[Rhiannon]

For what its worth, I would NEVER EVER have an abortion, but I'm glad I live in a country that lets me decide that for myself.

[conversationpc]

Bottom line: abortion is not murder. It's not like people go to the 7-11 and get an abortion done

Many pro abornists try to say that this is EXACTLY what will happen when their "right" to kill their unborn babies is removed.


Gimme a break. Carry the innocent baby to term.

What? What if the baby has no arms, no head, luekemia, Downs Syndrome or some other disease? What if Reardon was in there, or W? That is cause for any abortion.

I might make an exception if it would prevent a Reardon from being born.

However, doctors are often wrong about diagnosing these kinds of things.

[Kimmy]

Can't we all get along?

This is what America is built on... Each is entitled to their on beliefs...

[Red13JoePa]

give it a rest, Joe, those things do happen...

that shouldn't be discussed here anyway....you make me sick!

Pff


Likewise

[Rockindeano]

Granny, you would hope for it to stay that way(legalized abortions), BUT, as lame duck president, W may try to get "his" Supreme Court to overturn Roe v Wade. He may have the votes to do so. However, if he does try to overturn it, the GOP will never win another election, Federal, state or local, again.

Assholes on the Court= Scalia(Reagan), Thomas(Bush 41), Roberts(Bush 43), Alito(Bush 43), Stevens(Ford).

[ohsherrie]

Too bad there's not a good study on the subject since it's fairly rare but I would be willing to bet that most women who get an abortion after being raped now regret having done that.

This is the truth and a fact. It's not meant to say or imply anything other than the simple fact that it states. Make of it what you will.

The only person I've ever personally known to have had a abortion was a 13 yr old girl who was snatched and dragged under the Missouri River Bridge between Council Bluffs and Omaha and raped by 3 Catholic High School boys.

She was that daughter of the woman who later became my stepmother.

I personally know lots of couples who are now parents because a birthmother decided to be selfless and give birth in order to give couples who could not have their own children the opportunity to be parents.

I wonder how those unselfish saints measure up in numbers to the welfare babies whose numbers will increase greatly if their mother's can't get abortions. I hate that situation as much as anyone, but like Dean said, it can't be legislated away. The trouble is, it's not PC for the politicians to talk about it.

What do you economic conservatives think should be done about that? Should those innocent babies for whom you proclaim the right to life be allowed to starve or die in squalor of disease because they were forced to be born into rank poverty? Is that your morality?

[Rockindeano]

"Tough."

That's the concervative reply. Fend for yourself.

[Red13JoePa]

Holy shit, I thought I was sorta conservative, Deano and Sherrie, but you just linked abortion to surplus population control?


This isn't China.


Kill them because they're born into poorness?

[conversationpc]

I wonder how those unselfish saints measure up in numbers to the welfare babies whose numbers will increase greatly if their mother's can't get abortions. I hate that situation as much as anyone, but like Dean said, it can't be legislated away. The trouble is, it's not PC for the politicians to talk about it.

What do you economic conservatives think should be done about that? Should those innocent babies for whom you proclaim the right to life be allowed to starve or die in squalor of disease because they were forced to be born into rank poverty? Is that your morality?

That's a bullshit argument and don't talk down to me about my morality. There are tons of waiting couples who would adopt these children. My wife and I were one of them and there are literally hundreds of thousands of parents across the country who are on waiting lists for years, many of whom are willing to adopt children who are not of their own race. For that matter, there is increasing interest in international couples coming here to adopt.

I love it when liberals find out you are pro-life and automatically assume that you must be all for women being in a bad situation and for the suffering of children or some such nonsense. That would be just as dumb as me claiming that you must want to murder all unborn, unwanted children.

[Rockindeano]

I didn't link that, and I don't think she did either, but, she makes a valid point. The States are anything but United, it seems.

She is making the case that all the conservatives are pro life and pro human and all that bullshit, and as soon as little Johnny is born, and situation is dire, it's a big "fuck you" from the GOP.

[Red13JoePa]

Oh, I forgot it's a partisan issue.

And no babies were ever born into poorness under Billsy.
Only under Dubya.

So let's kill them lest they be born poor. Who wants to see more gross poor people anyway?

[ArnelRox]

I don't know but I'm crying now. What am I supposed to do w/this Farrah Fawcett hairdo & all my groovy clothes?

I bet you suck a mean dick Susie.

Wouldn't u love to know!

[ArnelRox]

I need to get a new keyboard...Mine doesn't have that SMITE function on it.

That's a very scary thought.

Mine already has an "Annoy Liberals" button.

& u use it frequently, don't u?

[ArnelRox]

Too many pro abortionists cover up the bogus "inconvenient" reason with images of pregnant women, clinging to their last shred of life because a baby her womb is causing medical complications having NOWHERE else to go but to a risky "back alley" abortion with some clothes hanger or something because the caveman, closeminded pro lifers won't let anybody kill unborn babies.

Crock of shit.

And that's not to say I'm for it in ANY circumstance I am against it period anyway in all cases.

So u would let a woman & quite possibly her baby die?

What about when a woman is raped? Should she carry the baby to term too even if it fucks her up for life?

[Red13JoePa]

Asked and answered.

I'm NEVER in favor of it.

[ArnelRox]

So someone who is raped and got pregnant that way should have a child that she doesn't want? Cut me a break. I would bet most anti-abortion people would think differently if that was their wife/mother/daugher/girlfriend would support it wholeheartedly.

I got my ultraconservative racist father-in-law on this one. I gave him a scenario of one of his daughters being raped by a black man who just escaped from prison, her husband not wanting her to carry the baby or he'd leave her & leave her 3 other kids fatherless. All of a sudden, he stammered. He just couldn't argue that point w/me. Oh but he NEVER believes in abortion under ANY circumstances!!!

Unfortunately the old back alley coat hangar stuff will come back if it's made illegal again - and that is infinitely more dangerous.

Exactly. Far too many lives have been lost b/c of those types of abortions. When u have met & worked w/those victims, u start to feel a LOT differently about it. I met a victim of one of those procedures many years ago. She had been raped by her father. She didn't want to have the child but lived in a country where abortion was illegal. I suppose some of these prolifers would say she should have kept the child!

[ohsherrie]

I didn't link that, and I don't think she did either, but, she makes a valid point. The States are anything but United, it seems.

She is making the case that all the conservatives are pro life and pro human and all that bullshit, and as soon as little Johnny is born, and situation is dire, it's a big "fuck you" from the GOP.

There ya go. That's exactly where I was going.

Yeah, let's make sure these kids all get born whether they're wanted or not, then let the unwanted ones suffer and die because we need to keep making CEO's richer instead of taking care of those kids.

If your religion teaches you that abortion is murder and you need to believe that because of your indoctrination within your religious beliefs, far be it from me to try and change that. However, when your religious beliefs lead you to link yourself with a particular political party then you need to look at the further ramifications of that party's related policies.

[ArnelRox]

Too bad there's not a good study on the subject since it's fairly rare but I would be willing to bet that most women who get an abortion after being raped now regret having done that.

Bullshit. U obviously haven't spent much time w/rape victims! I have & I don't know one who regretted aborting the baby. I know PLENTY who regretted carrying the child to term tho. That was extremely rough.

Quit betting. Go work w/rape victims then come back & spout ur actual findings!

[conversationpc]

Too bad there's not a good study on the subject since it's fairly rare but I would be willing to bet that most women who get an abortion after being raped now regret having done that.

Bullshit. U obviously haven't spent much time w/rape victims! I have & I don't know one who regretted aborting the baby. I know PLENTY who regretted carrying the child to term tho. That was extremely rough.

Quit betting. Go work w/rape victims then come back & spout ur actual findings!

I've heard testimonials from rape victims who did abort and said the exact opposite, so don't give me that crap.

[ArnelRox]

Boy do they go to the well on it, though.

That's EVERY abortion ever committed according to that side. Hard luck stories about rape incest and life threatening pregnancies.

Fuck u Joe. U have NO fucking idea what ur talking about. U have obviously NEVER experienced rape or incest. If it happened to ur sister or ur wife & she got pregnant from it, u would feel totally differently.

This is a subject very close to home for me. I'm a victim of incest. I've been raped. I became pregnant as a result & I had an abortion. I am NOT ashamed to admit it to anyone. There is no way I was going to carry that child to term. Those are NOT pleasant experiences. Until u have walked in those shoes, just shut the fuck up b/c neither u nor Dave have a CLUE about this. NO CLUE.