JC (Friga) Saint or Sinner - take no prisoners?

[Matthew]

Let me get this straight then. The guy produced a few good songs when he wrote w/Perry.

Again - you deviously try to minimize the significance and the quantity of those "few good songs". We're talking about entire albums of classic material that we all love twenty-five years on. We're talking about Escape - widely considered to be one of the greatest rock albums of all time. And so on. Do I really have to explain this to a fellow Journey fan? Stop playing dumb, Susie.

If a murderer does a few good deeds early on in his life, then commits a bunch of murders later on, he should be forgiven for his transgressions b/c he was once great?

What's all this talk about murderers and sociopaths? Have you lost your mind? We're talking about the keyboard player for Journey, for crying out loud.

"If a father is a good father a few times when his kids are babies, but then turns into a shit father, the kids should forgive him b/c he was once great? Am I getting the way ur mind works? (Wait, do I want to?)

What are you babbling on about? Take a deep breath and start that again....

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Matty, scroll back a bit in this thread. U used the terms a bunch of times to describe ur idol. I'm just going w/what u said. Sicko.

I never said I didn't use the term. I was just explaining that the term "Amadeus" wasn't said in all seriousness. Are you actually going out of your way to be moronic here, Susie?

[strangegrey]

To be fair to Matthew, I think he's reacting more to the over-the-top hatred against Jonathan than he is anything. While it's fair to be upset at him, because I believe he's obviously complicit in the unfair way in which JSS was sacked, I also think a lot of people jumped on the hate-JC bandwagon simply because it was fashionable to do so.

LOL. OK. whatever. I'm hating the two prinicple members of the band that I grew up with, lived ever monumental moment of my life with...just because I look cool doing it? What the fuck are you smoking?

If you think hatred of Fucka and Fro is done solely because it's the in thing to do, you need to check where your reality is planted. 99.9% of the people here and on other boards, at least at the very onset, post because this band meant something truly considerable to them. They don't reverse from love to hate just because it looks cool on their body like beatup denim. They do it because the punishment fits the crime.

You, Mathew and others might be in mental position to be able to forgive and forget about the shit these two assholes (friga and fro) have commited over the years....I'm not...and ALOT of other people are not as well. Don't presume that you know anything about our reasons. But I'll tip you off...it's not because of peer fucking presure, that's for shit sure!

[Red13JoePa]

To be fair to Matthew, I think he's reacting more to the over-the-top hatred against Jonathan than he is anything.

LOL. OK. whatever. I'm hating the two prinicple members of the band that I grew up with, lived ever monumental moment of my life with...just because I look cool doing it? What the fuck are you smoking?

he's talking about the mob mentality that prevails on boards. There's no way that can be denied.

14 months ago Augeri was the target, now it's Schon/Cain and Augeri? He's not such a bad guy after all, just ill used. And Perry? An absolute Saint and the smartest, greatest businessman who ever took a breath of life.

You get my pass, Frank, b/c you've BEEN w/ the band and NEVER bought the Augeri villainery or perry cannonization.

[conversationpc]

LOL. OK. whatever. I'm hating the two prinicple members of the band that I grew up with, lived ever monumental moment of my life with...just because I look cool doing it? What the fuck are you smoking?

If you think hatred of Fucka and Fro is done solely because it's the in thing to do, you need to check where your reality is planted. 99.9% of the people here and on other boards, at least at the very onset, post because this band meant something truly considerable to them. They don't reverse from love to hate just because it looks cool on their body like beatup denim. They do it because the punishment fits the crime.

You, Mathew and others might be in mental position to be able to forgive and forget about the shit these two assholes (friga and fro) have commited over the years....I'm not...and ALOT of other people are not as well. Don't presume that you know anything about our reasons. But I'll tip you off...it's not because of peer fucking presure, that's for shit sure!

Strangegrey, I thought you were a cool, decent person when you first started the Journey forums but it seems you've turned into one of the biggest asses on either this or the other forum since this whole thing went down with JSS. I'm still upset with the guys in Journey and have never said that I have forgiven them for how they've ruined the band (I challenge you to prove otherwise). If you want to hate Journey and never listen to their music again, good for you. If others want to still enjoy the music, that's fine as well. However your trashing of others who don't toe your party line is childish at best.

OK...I'm ready for the "fuck you", "What are you smoking?", and "You're an asshole" type retorts. Bring it on.

[strangegrey]

he's talking about the mob mentality that prevails on boards. There's no way that can be denied.

14 months ago Augeri was the target, now it's Schon/Cain and Augeri? He's not such a bad guy after all, just ill used. And Perry? An absolute Saint and the smartest, greatest businessman who ever took a breath of life.

You get my pass, Frank, b/c you've BEEN w/ the band and NEVER bought the Augeri villainery or perry cannonization.

I know what you're driving at...and understand, I *get* the Mob reference. Hell, that's been my pet name for the Back Talk crowd for years. It prevails there more than here, IMHO. Here, there's a different dynamic...at least there was.

The fact of the matter is that, it's gone way beyond *mob* mentality. This is really, just the end. Plain as pie. For people to be fighting over who's more to blame...is just asinine. They're all fucking evil cocksmoking dickwads that never cared about us one iotta (save for Augeri, JSS and others used by this band). But you simply can not offer a pube-hair of seperation between Perry, Schon or Friga. They're all cut from the same cloth.

Wait, scratch that...Perry's IS a pube hair different. He cares enough about the fans to only rape them from behind the protection of re-packaged reissues and baked masters from crappy live recordings. Neal Schon and Jon Cain actually look you in the eye from on stage when they plume through your wallets to take all your money. I'm not sure which is worse....

[Red13JoePa]

baked masters from crappy live recordings.

I'm gonna zero in on this and hijack the thread. I know what you're referring to here and always wondered about that story in the liners of GHL about the tapes had to be baked in an oven to allow a 1-chance-only transfer to digital tape to rescue them?
Huh? Why bake in an oven knowing nothing about music I don't get what this does/did?

[strangegrey]

Strangegrey, I thought you were a cool, decent person when you first started the Journey forums but it seems you've turned into one of the biggest asses on either this or the other forum since this whole thing went down with JSS. I'm still upset with the guys in Journey and have never said that I have forgiven them for how they've ruined the band (I challenge you to prove otherwise). If you want to hate Journey and never listen to their music again, good for you. If others want to still enjoy the music, that's fine as well. However your trashing of others who don't toe your party line is childish at best.

OK...I'm ready for the "fuck you", "What are you smoking?", and "You're an asshole" type retorts. Bring it on.

Listen, I've no intention of doing anything of the sort. I've had my tifts with Mathew on my board...but at the same time, I've had a few good PMs with the guy as well.

There's zero denying that I've got a complete cargo ship load of angst towards this band. That's for shit sure. At the same time, I just can't see how people can look past things at this point...and give this band any more. Any more love, any more money, any more whatever. I just can't understand it. Friga is just as much to blame as Fro. When you're captain of the ship, you're responsible for the crews actions AND your own. These two guys seem to pass 'captainship' to the other when it suits them. They're both responsible for the state of affairs. Not one more than the other. Fro is JUST as much a bad guy as Friga is. You can't deny it.

My big issue with the band, is that the fans have been fucked one way or another for years...People who can't seem to get beyond this "I'll follow them into the pit of hell" mentality....Well, they're currently in the pit of hell. Friga and Fro have driven the Journey ship right into the gates of Hades.

And there are still people desperately searching for a boat that will make the trip in the ship's wake. It's sad!


I still put on the old discs (even though I thought I wouldnt). Escape is still magical for me. I'm able to seperate my feelings for this band that I had in the 80s....with the feelings I currently harbor.

But really...I just don't understand it. How much more of an ass fucking are fans willing to take before they finally turn their backs on these group of complete dickwads? I just don't get it!

[conversationpc]

There's zero denying that I've got a complete cargo ship load of angst towards this band. That's for shit sure. At the same time, I just can't see how people can look past things at this point...and give this band any more. Any more love, any more money, any more whatever. I just can't understand it. Friga is just as much to blame as Fro. When you're captain of the ship, you're responsible for the crews actions AND your own. These two guys seem to pass 'captainship' to the other when it suits them. They're both responsible for the state of affairs. Not one more than the other. Fro is JUST as much a bad guy as Friga is. You can't deny it.

Nope. Not denying it at all.

My big issue with the band, is that the fans have been fucked one way or another for years...People who can't seem to get beyond this "I'll follow them into the pit of hell" mentality....Well, they're currently in the pit of hell. Friga and Fro have driven the Journey ship right into the gates of Hades.

I don't think 99% of us here who still enjoy their music are planning on "following them into the pit of hell". I don't plan on seeing them in concert again. Will I purchase any new music they MIGHT put out? I'll probably at least take a listen but I'm not all that excited over the prospect.

I still put on the old discs (even though I thought I wouldnt). Escape is still magical for me. I'm able to seperate my feelings for this band that I had in the 80s....with the feelings I currently harbor.

Understood.

[conversationpc]

baked masters from crappy live recordings.

I'm gonna zero in on this and hijack the thread. I know what you're referring to here and always wondered about that story in the liners of GHL about the tapes had to be baked in an oven to allow a 1-chance-only transfer to digital tape to rescue them?
Huh? Why bake in an oven knowing nothing about music I don't get what this does/did?

Yeah, that whole "baking in an oven" thing seemed to be an attempted comparison to the unearthing of the Dead Sea Scrolls or something like that.

[strangegrey]

baked masters from crappy live recordings.

I'm gonna zero in on this and hijack the thread. I know what you're referring to here and always wondered about that story in the liners of GHL about the tapes had to be baked in an oven to allow a 1-chance-only transfer to digital tape to rescue them?
Huh? Why bake in an oven knowing nothing about music I don't get what this does/did?

The theory is that magnetic tape that has become brittle (due to improper storage) will soften up enough in this baking process to allow it to run it over a tape head once more...The reason I don't believe it, is that I know there's a shitload of properly stored live tape recorded over the years...The implication with this liner note, is that "this is the last of the live stuff, get it now while it's hot off the oven, er presses".

Perry himself, contradicted himself with that implication, becuase he later released the Houston dvd...and not just from the MTV masters...as he aparently did some remixing of it as well...so bullshit, the original tapes weren't available.

I firmly believe that the 'baked in the oven' story from GHL was a deliberate attempt to create more interest in a very susceptible journey fan base (which has been proven time and time again)...all you need is 10 or 12 loons to go online and say "Whoah, they put the tapes in an oven...its the last live recordings of perry...everyone has to buy it now!! go now!!!! don't wait....go to tower NOW!!!"

see what I mean?

[Red13JoePa]

see what I mean?

LOL yes, and that's EXACLTY how it struck me. The theory is very sound, but the story just read too melodramatic and though it didn't SAY they were the only usable recordings from that touring era, the histrionics of "oven baking" and "1-time-ony transfer" LED the reader to that conclusion, which of course has now been debunked w/ the Houston show coming to light in its entirety.


BTW, did I misread or was Cain called a sociopath and compared to multiple murderers?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

see what I mean?

LOL yes, and that's EXACLTY how it struck me. The theory is very sound, but the story just read too melodramatic and though it didn't SAY they were the only usable recordings from that touring era, the histrionics of "oven baking" and "1-time-ony transfer" LED the reader to that conclusion, which of course has now been debunked w/ the Houston show coming to light in its entirety.

It's such a crock. If I'm not mistaken Boston made similar claims regarding Third Stage however, I believe Tom Scholz noted that they sprayed the tapes with some kind of lubricant? I don't have Third Stage handy - can anyone confirm Boston's claim? In any case, Boston mentioned their dilema for reasons other than to trick fans and consumers.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

baked masters from crappy live recordings.

I'm gonna zero in on this and hijack the thread. I know what you're referring to here and always wondered about that story in the liners of GHL about the tapes had to be baked in an oven to allow a 1-chance-only transfer to digital tape to rescue them?
Huh? Why bake in an oven knowing nothing about music I don't get what this does/did?

Yeah, that whole "baking in an oven" thing seemed to be an attempted comparison to the unearthing of the Dead Sea Scrolls or something like that.

[Matthew]

I still put on the old discs (even though I thought I wouldnt). Escape is still magical for me. I'm able to seperate my feelings for this band that I had in the 80s....with the feelings I currently harbor.

So can I, Strangegrey. And I'm sure the majority of people here can as well - apart from the hardcore flouncers like Fyre and Susie.

I'm not sure I really understand what it is you're expecting your fellow fans to do. Boycott the shows that aren't even scheduled yet? Refuse to buy the album they haven't made? Or what?

[conversationpc]

see what I mean?

LOL yes, and that's EXACLTY how it struck me. The theory is very sound, but the story just read too melodramatic and though it didn't SAY they were the only usable recordings from that touring era, the histrionics of "oven baking" and "1-time-ony transfer" LED the reader to that conclusion, which of course has now been debunked w/ the Houston show coming to light in its entirety.

It's such a crock. If I'm not mistaken Boston made similar claims regarding Third Stage however, I believe Tom Scholz noted that they sprayed the tapes with some kind of lubricant? I don't have Third Stage handy - can anyone confirm Boston's claim? In any case, Boston mentioned their dilema for reasons other than to trick fans and consumers.

Here's a straight copy from the "Third Stage" liner notes on Boston's official web site at http://www.bandboston.com/html/album3_html.html ...

Sticky tape

Did you know that when some recording tape sits for a long time, it gets sticky? Neither did I. How would you feel if you took out your four-year old, one of a kind mix of "Cool The Engines," (with no safety copy) and halfway through the song, the reels stop dead with a bang because your tape has become glued to the guides and must be peeled off the playback head like adhesive tape. The fix: spread a suspicious looking silicon concoction onto the tape as it runs by, and try not to let the enormous beads of sweat dripping from your forehead get your capstan rusty.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

If you think hatred of Fucka and Fro is done solely because it's the in thing to do, you need to check where your reality is planted. 99.9% of the people here and on other boards, at least at the very onset, post because this band meant something truly considerable to them. They don't reverse from love to hate just because it looks cool on their body like beatup denim. They do it because the punishment fits the crime.

This sums it up well for me. I wouldn't say that I hate F&F but I'm REALLY disappointed. I just sit here shaking my head. Cracking on either of them is the FURTHEST from anything I've EVER wanted to do! In fact, I NEVER thought I'd be making the statements about them and the band that I'm now making.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

see what I mean?

LOL yes, and that's EXACLTY how it struck me. The theory is very sound, but the story just read too melodramatic and though it didn't SAY they were the only usable recordings from that touring era, the histrionics of "oven baking" and "1-time-ony transfer" LED the reader to that conclusion, which of course has now been debunked w/ the Houston show coming to light in its entirety.

It's such a crock. If I'm not mistaken Boston made similar claims regarding Third Stage however, I believe Tom Scholz noted that they sprayed the tapes with some kind of lubricant? I don't have Third Stage handy - can anyone confirm Boston's claim? In any case, Boston mentioned their dilema for reasons other than to trick fans and consumers.

Here's a straight copy from the "Third Stage" liner notes on Boston's official web site at http://www.bandboston.com/html/album3_html.html ...

Sticky tape

Did you know that when some recording tape sits for a long time, it gets sticky? Neither did I. How would you feel if you took out your four-year old, one of a kind mix of "Cool The Engines," (with no safety copy) and halfway through the song, the reels stop dead with a bang because your tape has become glued to the guides and must be peeled off the playback head like adhesive tape. The fix: spread a suspicious looking silicon concoction onto the tape as it runs by, and try not to let the enormous beads of sweat dripping from your forehead get your capstan rusty.

I'd forgotten he said it was a "suspicious looking lubricant" I'm not about to go there!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I still put on the old discs (even though I thought I wouldnt). Escape is still magical for me. I'm able to seperate my feelings for this band that I had in the 80s....with the feelings I currently harbor.

So can I, Strangegrey. And I'm sure the majority of people here can as well - apart from the hardcore flouncers like Fyre and Susie.

I'm not sure I really understand what it is you're expecting your fellow fans to do. Boycott the shows that aren't even scheduled yet? Refuse to buy the album they haven't made? Or what?

Flouncer...? What...? I'd feel insulted if I knew what that meant!

I enjoy the music. I just don't enjoy the musicians anymore. It's just that simple.

[Matthew]

Flouncer...? What...? I'd feel insulted if I knew what that meant!

To flounce means to sulk and protest in a melodramatic way....

I enjoy the music. I just don't enjoy the musicians anymore. It's just that simple.

You sound like a disillusioned groupie, Fyre.....

[mistiejourney]

If you think hatred of Fucka and Fro is done solely because it's the in thing to do, you need to check where your reality is planted. 99.9% of the people here and on other boards, at least at the very onset, post because this band meant something truly considerable to them. They don't reverse from love to hate just because it looks cool on their body like beatup denim. They do it because the punishment fits the crime.

This sums it up well for me. I wouldn't say that I hate F&F but I'm REALLY disappointed. I just sit here shaking my head. Cracking on either of them is the FURTHEST from anything I've EVER wanted to do! In fact, I NEVER thought I'd be making the statements about them and the band that I'm now making.

If anyone had told me I'd be through with Journey this time last year, I'd have told them they were nuts. In fact, I saw Journey will JSS in August of last year, so the anniversary is coming up. So, I wonder how SA's voice is doing. Nothing on his official website either...

[Matthew]

If you think hatred of Fucka and Fro is done solely because it's the in thing to do, you need to check where your reality is planted. 99.9% of the people here and on other boards, at least at the very onset, post because this band meant something truly considerable to them. They don't reverse from love to hate just because it looks cool on their body like beatup denim. They do it because the punishment fits the crime.

This sums it up well for me. I wouldn't say that I hate F&F but I'm REALLY disappointed. I just sit here shaking my head. Cracking on either of them is the FURTHEST from anything I've EVER wanted to do! In fact, I NEVER thought I'd be making the statements about them and the band that I'm now making.

If anyone had told me I'd be through with Journey this time last year, I'd have told them they were nuts. In fact, I saw Journey will JSS in August of last year, so the anniversary is coming up. So, I wonder how SA's voice is doing. Nothing on his official website either...

But you're not through with Journey, Mistie, are you? And nor is Strangegrey. Or Susie. Or Fyre. Or anyone else who posts regularly on a Journey messageboard. None of you have let go of the band or the drama that comes with it all.

If you genuinely are through then maybe it's time to go outside and 'smell the roses' instead...as Andrew often suggests?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

What do you mean...you "don't enjoy the musicians"? Were you a groupie of some description, Fyre?

I suppose we're all groupies here, no? I don't know that I'm anywhere near your elevated level of worship, though!

I used to enjoy reading about the members as PEOPLE. I guess I can no longer tolerate any future installments in the long history of telling the fans one thing and doing something entirely different. Furthermore, with every passing studio release the liner notes say the same thing:

Neal thanks another wife and Jon blathers his typical nonsense. Ultimately, the albums reflect no better!

[Matthew]

I suppose we're all groupies here, no? I don't know that I'm anywhere near your elevated level of worship, though!

Fyre - you clearly missed my post earlier today - which made it clear it is you and not I who has spent hard-earned money on dodgy Jonathan Cain solo albums. So I rather think you are a little more 'elevated' than I am. In fact, even Susie was making out that that your children were going hungry due to your lust for Smooth Jazz....

I used to enjoy reading about the members as PEOPLE. I guess I can no longer tolerate any future installments in the long history of telling the fans one thing and doing something entirely different.

You used to enjoy it? You started this thread about Jonathan Cain as a person last week and 23 pages later you're STILL arguing about Jonathan Cain as a person. You love it!

[strangegrey]

I still put on the old discs (even though I thought I wouldnt). Escape is still magical for me. I'm able to seperate my feelings for this band that I had in the 80s....with the feelings I currently harbor.

I'm not sure I really understand what it is you're expecting your fellow fans to do. Boycott the shows that aren't even scheduled yet? Refuse to buy the album they haven't made? Or what?

LOL...Um, Yeah..Basically.
Write the fucking band off. 100%...

Fucka and Dope can't feel the hit at their wallets yet...as they've not produced anything that we can purchase....and maybe that's why they're 'taking a break'. The last thing they want is this JSS business fresh in the minds of their wishy washy fans. Burry the story underneath the sopranos bullshit....and wait out the storm.

What I would emplore any fan that cared about this band, is to not forget this....and make them feel it when they come back in 2008 with some tribute singer out front saying "Hey we're back!!"....So that in one unified voice, the fan base will go "Who gives a fuck!"


Granted, I know that's not going to happen. Too many damn idiots out there that can't see past their own noses when it comes to this band....

[CatEyes]

It seems to me that the most crucial factor in JSS' departure was the utter indifference of the labels to this new line-up.

But they had a record deal w/JSS as the frontman ....

With who?

A major label.

I have never seen this confirmed anywhere ...... only hinted to as insider information.

Cat

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Fyre - you clearly missed my post earlier today - which made it clear it is you and not I who has spent hard-earned money on dodgy Jonathan Cain solo albums. So I rather think you are a little more 'elevated' than I am. In fact, even Susie was making out that that your children were going hungry due to your lust for Smooth Jazz....

LOL! Nobody claimed anyone was going hungry - nice bait but I'm not biting.

For someone who claims that others have been grossly exaggerating JC's personality, etc. you appear to be the guy who invented how to blow things out of proportion!

Since 1998 I've spent approximately $150 on JOURNEY/solo-related material. That's about $1.40/month.

Let's keep things real, eh?

You used to enjoy it? You started this thread about Jonathan Cain as a person last week and 23 pages later you're STILL arguing about Jonathan Cain as a person. You love it!

I started this thread to address your comments. Following your logic I'm enamored with you!

[mistiejourney]

If you think hatred of Fucka and Fro is done solely because it's the in thing to do, you need to check where your reality is planted. 99.9% of the people here and on other boards, at least at the very onset, post because this band meant something truly considerable to them. They don't reverse from love to hate just because it looks cool on their body like beatup denim. They do it because the punishment fits the crime.

This sums it up well for me. I wouldn't say that I hate F&F but I'm REALLY disappointed. I just sit here shaking my head. Cracking on either of them is the FURTHEST from anything I've EVER wanted to do! In fact, I NEVER thought I'd be making the statements about them and the band that I'm now making.

If anyone had told me I'd be through with Journey this time last year, I'd have told them they were nuts. In fact, I saw Journey will JSS in August of last year, so the anniversary is coming up. So, I wonder how SA's voice is doing. Nothing on his official website either...

But you're not through with Journey, Mistie, are you? And nor is Strangegrey. Or Susie. Or Fyre. Or anyone else who posts regularly on a Journey messageboard. None of you have let go of the band or the drama that comes with it all.

If you genuinely are through then maybe it's time to go outside and 'smell the roses' instead...as Andrew often suggests?

I'm a Journey fan. I have great memories from the last 23 years. I found SA and JSS!

But I am tired. Letting JSS go was the last gasp of what is now a tribute band. So...I can say that I have good music and good memories, but the buck stops here.

I post here because it's nice to be able to commiserate with other Journey fans who feel like I do. And, to remember the good times. I was floored by the JSS situation. I was able to accept JSS because he (1) is absolutely fantastic and (2) SA was really unable to sing. God forbid we give a friend/partner time to heal or work our schedule around him, eh?

I'm not "through" with Journey, I'm just not going to follow whatever dirty dozen lineup they choose to present. Journey as they were (with SP, SA and JSS) will always be a part of me.

My pocketbook is no longer attached by an umbilical cord to their tour schedule.

[Matthew]

LOL! Nobody claimed anyone was going hungry - nice bait but I'm not biting.

For someone who claims that others have been grossly exaggerating JC's personality, etc. you appear to be the guy who invented how to blow things out of proportion!

Since 1998 I've spent approximately $150 on JOURNEY/solo-related material. That's about $1.40/month.

Let's keep things real, eh?

The fact remains though that you have a Jonathan Cain album on your CD rack at home...and I don't!

I started this thread to address your comments. Following your logic I'm enamored with you!

Not it doesn't. It just means that you - like me - are a Journey fanatic who's not going anywhere no matter what the band do.

[Matthew]

But I am tired. Letting JSS go was the last gasp of what is now a tribute band. So...I can say that I have good music and good memories, but the buck stops here.

I post here because it's nice to be able to commiserate with other Journey fans who feel like I do. And, to remember the good times. I was floored by the JSS situation. I was able to accept JSS because he (1) is absolutely fantastic and (2) SA was really unable to sing. God forbid we give a friend/partner time to heal or work our schedule around him, eh?

Well, our "friend and partner" was involved in a scam to defraud the fans - but let's not go there.

I'm not "through" with Journey, I'm just not going to follow whatever dirty dozen lineup they choose to present. Journey as they were (with SP, SA and JSS) will always be a part of me.

My pocketbook is no longer attached by an umbilical cord to their tour schedule.

JSS will always be a part of you? The guy sang the Dirty Dozen for eight months...plus a couple of album tracks from the late 1970s...and one new song. Yes, I know there was a lot of potential but let's not lose perspective.

If you could accept Augeri and JSS singing the old chestnuts...then why not accept the new guy? And surely it all depends on who the next guy is too? Maybe you'll like him?

I'll be at the next Journey show anyway whether I like him or not, though. I'm a fan so I've lost all power of choice in the matter....

[Matthew]

I still put on the old discs (even though I thought I wouldnt). Escape is still magical for me. I'm able to seperate my feelings for this band that I had in the 80s....with the feelings I currently harbor.

I'm not sure I really understand what it is you're expecting your fellow fans to do. Boycott the shows that aren't even scheduled yet? Refuse to buy the album they haven't made? Or what?

LOL...Um, Yeah..Basically.
Write the fucking band off. 100%...

Fucka and Dope can't feel the hit at their wallets yet...as they've not produced anything that we can purchase....and maybe that's why they're 'taking a break'. The last thing they want is this JSS business fresh in the minds of their wishy washy fans. Burry the story underneath the sopranos bullshit....and wait out the storm.

What I would emplore any fan that cared about this band, is to not forget this....and make them feel it when they come back in 2008 with some tribute singer out front saying "Hey we're back!!"....So that in one unified voice, the fan base will go "Who gives a fuck!"


Granted, I know that's not going to happen. Too many damn idiots out there that can't see past their own noses when it comes to this band....

Strangegrey - come on - give us the inside scoop: what exactly happened between you and Journey? I know you got a credit on the Arrival album...but then it appears you fell out with them. Is that right?