What would it take...?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Who gives a damn, I'd rather Neal and JSS sit down and figure it out.

Red13, I don't think there EVER was any intention of Jeff being the longterm lead singer, so I don't think there's any thing to sit down and "figure out." Jeff was used, dude. Get your head out of your ass. Isn't it hard to breathe that way?

Ah, the unlikeliest loon pipes up.

Dude, I'm restricting my dialogue with you to sports, social issues, Journey 76-96 and Hunsicker support.

Aw, c'mon, man, play along. What do you think of my theory? At least answer that.

2 things make the theory implausible:
1) the band's raving about him ie: why not not comment at all or be lukewarm (cain was at first but came around to prasing JSS) or not comment at all? They seemed pumped beyond belief.
2) why not be upfront and tell him, dude it's an audition. Not permanent yet? No, they MADE him their official vocalist after the DL tour.

Something seems to have gone wrong.

Having said the above, I DON'T dismiss the SinJin Theory out of hand.

What you said.

[*Laura]

They should have given Steve A time to rest & recover.

Um, no dude. They would still be waiting. His voice is fried like a charbroiled chicken.

Rumour is he's going to release an album after October this year.Guess he had time to work on his vocal problems.

Ever hear of pro tools? Besides, he recently refucked it up.

Sure,there's pro tools,there's Antares and the Wizard of Oz,but seriously,if he would be totally fried,none of the tech magic would help anyway.
If he's willing to release an album it means that he has something left.Any vocal issue,no matter how serious can be treated.

I suppose time will tell.

[larryfromnextdoor]

but seriously,if he would be totally fried,none of the tech magic would help anyway.
.

i dont know,,one can sound pretty good with some REVERB and one line at a time... for real...

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I am a subscriber to St Johns theory. Absolutely. Without doubt. He was used like a shake and bake bag.

You're subscribing to theories now?

I thought you had insider knowledge and that your word is gospel. Is SJ's theory fact or fiction?

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Besides, Augeri couldn't write..that has been proven. He was their anchor.

How was that proven?

[*Laura]

but seriously,if he would be totally fried,none of the tech magic would help anyway.
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i dont know,,one can sound pretty good with some REVERB and one line at a time... for real...

If THAT's what would take to record an entire album... Better not.

What I meant by totally fried was Augeri not being capable of singing at all.Like a permanent rasp or something,or even not being able to hit normal notes.
I really don't think he is that damaged.

[larryfromnextdoor]

I'm curious...Who is leading Journey?I thought it was Neal.
If Cain wasn't so pleased with the idea of writing music with Jeff...Was that the decisive reason of canning a good singer/songwriter?
From what I hear,Jeff is capabale of writing some really good stuff.He would've captured that sound they were/are looking for...

Anyway,for a long time,I had the impression that Neal had the last word on what comes and goes in the band.

Two headed monster. Can't elaborate too much now, but later for sure. Friga has more power than you know.

.....and a managment company that doesnt really seem to care... paraphrasing azoff in july '07---"im going to have to fly out to a show and see this new kid,, i hear hes pretty good".... uhhh..... ok...

..another band of mine recently went through an emergency right before concert time and thier manager Doc Mcgee came out and personally addressed the audience,,,

[Rockindeano]

Besides, Augeri couldn't write..that has been proven. He was their anchor.

How was that proven?

Did you NOT hear his two gems on Generations? There's your proof. The Coney Island Cowboy had eight years and wrote two songs; Fucking Stellar.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Besides, Augeri couldn't write..that has been proven. He was their anchor.

How was that proven?

Did you NOT hear his two gems on Generations? There's your proof. The Coney Island Cowboy had eight years and wrote two songs; Fucking Stellar.

What you call proof is your opinion.

I happen to like Butterfly. If anything, Neal screws it up with way too much guitar. Cut our some of his licks and shorten up the song and it's a winner. Believe has the wrong drums and it's dragged out way too long as well. I don't know for sure but I don't know that this is all SA's fault. Who produced the album? Who are the two guys that believe THEY are JOURNEY and have insisted on controlling the last three albums?

Maybe if they'd have given SA the reins they'd have produced something decent. Or are you saying that Neal and JC told you personally that SA - by being the Yes Man to end all Yes Men - was the anchor around their necks?

[Red13JoePa]

To be fair, spread out amongst Arrival, 13 and Gens he has a lot of cowriting credits and before you dismiss that, realize that the only songs since ROR penned by 1 dude are KTYLM and Butterfly.

[Rockindeano]

2 be fair, spread out amongst Arrival, 13 and Gens he has a lot of cowriting credits and before you dismiss that, realize that the only songs since ROR penned by 1 dude are KTYLM and Butterfly.

Dude, you do realize Amber Schon got a credit too for her influential lyrics on Gone Crazy.

That's like me rolling over to Soto's and playing tambourine or cow bell for 10 seconds in the distant background and getting a credit. Gay for you to even challenge me on this and Wheels of Fire, you like Butterfly? Dude, you just proved my opinion ir right when called upon by you.

[Red13JoePa]

2 be fair, spread out amongst Arrival, 13 and Gens he has a lot of cowriting credits and before you dismiss that, realize that the only songs since ROR penned by 1 dude are KTYLM and Butterfly.

Dude, you do realize Amber Schon got a credit too for her influential lyrics on Gone Crazy.

Dude, you just proved my opinion ir right when called upon by you.

No I didn't everything on TBF, A, 13, and Gens was a cowrite even the "masterpieces" cowritten by perry. So it's no shame for augeri to "only" have a bunch of cowrite credits.

[NoMoreTails]

Anyway,for a long time,I had the impression that Neal had the last word on what comes and goes in the band.

If Cain were to say we're doing this my way or we're not doing it at all...Neal alone can't afford to buy Cain out like they did Perry.

[Rockindeano]

2 be fair, spread out amongst Arrival, 13 and Gens he has a lot of cowriting credits and before you dismiss that, realize that the only songs since ROR penned by 1 dude are KTYLM and Butterfly.

Dude, you do realize Amber Schon got a credit too for her influential lyrics on Gone Crazy.

Dude, you just proved my opinion ir right when called upon by you.

No I didn't everything on TBF, A, 13, and Gens was a cowrite even the "masterpieces" cowritten by perry. So it's no shame for augeri to "only" have a bunch of cowrite credits.

I couldn't make out the code in which you speak numbnuts, but Perry had Friga and Neal to write with and they wrote hits...scores of them..Augeri wrote shit, lots of it. Scoreboard.

[conversationpc]

I couldn't make out the code in which you speak numbnuts, but Perry had Friga and Neal to write with and they wrote hits...scores of them..Augeri wrote shit, lots of it. Scoreboard.

Different era. The kind of music Journey does was not even remotely popular during any of the time that Augeri was in the band. "Arrival" would have been a hit back in the 80s. Not as much of a hit as "Escape" or "Frontiers" but it would have done well. "Generations" is another story. It would have been lucky go platinum back then or maybe even gold.

[Red13JoePa]

Exactly, Dave.

It's the same Journey sound, the augeri cowrites would'v been hits in 86. Besides, dean shifted the argument from "he didn't write, they couldn't write with him" to "hits written"


Incidentally I LOVE the boot where Deano the ROR basher screams "YEA!!! Told yo you they were gonna play this" when IBAWY comes on

[conversationpc]

Incidentally I LOVE the boot where Deano the ROR basher screams "YEA!!! Told yo you they were gonna play this" when IBAWY comes on

If there were a hall of fame of great Journey boot moments, that should be in there, no doubt.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

...and Wheels of Fire, you like Butterfly? Dude, you just proved my opinion ir right when called upon by you.

What...?

[Saint John]

Exactly, Dave.

It's the same Journey sound, the augeri cowrites would'v been hits in 86. Besides, dean shifted the argument from "he didn't write, they couldn't write with him" to "hits written"


Incidentally I LOVE the boot where Deano the ROR basher screams "YEA!!! Told yo you they were gonna play this" when IBAWY comes on

NOTHING Augeri did would've been a hit in 86. He just doesn't have the voice. MAYBE, just maybe, Remember Me. And don't say Higher Place because that song sucks. Stupid lyrics and a terrible bridge. I do like the ending though.

[conversationpc]

NOTHING Augeri did would've been a hit in 86. He just doesn't have the voice. MAYBE, just maybe, Remember Me. And don't say Higher Place because that song sucks. Stupid lyrics and a terrible bridge. I do like the ending though.

He had a decent enough voice and those songs on "Arrival" would've done well if even just for the Journey name...and, yes, "Higher Place" is a great song.

[bluejeangirl76]

Ever hear of pro tools?

Pro tools... Neal and Jon?

[7 Wishes]

"World Gone Wild" would have been very successful 20 years ago. That was the best song on the record. Jack Blades weaves his magic again on this one.

[Món]

Strange thing happened to me yesterday.I took a short nap and had a confusing dream...It was Neal and SP sitting at a table in a restaurant.
They were looking at eachother but not talking.
I "went" closer and I saw that Neal was holding a coin.As I was watching them,Neal gave the coin to Steve.He took it,got up and went to this jukebox in the corner of the room,put it in and as I stood "there",I suddenly heard a song.I just knew it was a Journey song,but it was NEW.
A mid tempo rocker,beautiful guitar riffs,can't compare it with any of the known songs.( I couldn't even hum it after waking up. ) No vocal line on it.
In my dream,Steve turned around looked at Neal and they both started laughing.
That was all.

After I woke up I had this clear feeling that this dream was familiar.Very familiar.
Was it because of that jukebox in the Sopranos scene?Did I read about this somewhere?
Oh well,I was too busy to think about it,so I let it go.

This morning,I was searching for a book and I saw the "Open Arms Steve Perry Anthology" on the shelf... THAT's where I saw the story!!
I grabbed the book and was right...it's there,in that interview.Must've been stuck in the back of my mind and generated the dream.

John Stix:"What's the history of "Wheel in the Sky"?
Steve Perry: "I was with Neal in a pizza parlor on a tour night off. Nobody knew who we were yet. Neal and I were having a pizza. I walk over to the jukebox in the corner and I see "Wheel in the Sky" by Journey on the jukebox. I pulled some quarters out of my pocket and I played the song. I sat down and didn’t say anything. I was waiting and waiting and looking at him. The song starts and he doesn’t get it at first. All of a sudden he looks at me and turns around and says, "I love this song." And we laughed. That was the first time we had a sense that we had the chance to be big, because we were finally on the jukebox."


I felt sad after re-reading it.These 2 guys were getting along so well.
Then in my mind...I re-wrote the story.Fast forward


Steve Perry:"I was with Neal in a pizza parlor on that year when Journey took the year off...2007 I think.Everyone knew who we were.Neal and I were having a pizza,talking about the good ole times we had together.In walks this girl with an iPod,she was enjoying whatever she was listening to,you could see that on her face.She sees us and she stops in her tracks.Obviously,she recognized us.She comes over with this big grin on her face and says it's amazing - she was listening to "Wheel In The Sky"! She shows us,then she tells us that she and all her friends have tons of Journey songs on their iPods!We talk for a while,then we sign something for her and she leaves.
All of a sudden Neal and I look at eachoter and we laugh.That was the time when we had a sense that we had the chance to be big again,because we were finally on the iPods."





All kidding aside,please tell me...WHAT would it take for these 2 guys to sit down and feel good again together??

That would never happen. And if it would, I think it's probably too late for them to become "important" again.

I used to call the Steve Perry Hot Line back in the mid 90's, when they got together to make TBF. SP always left a message on his answering machine telling the caller about the latest news on his career. That's when I found out about TBF in the first place. He sounded so happy and upbeat on one of those messages.

It said something like this: "Hi, this is Steve Perry, and I'm walking in with the best guitar player in the world, Neal Schon! Say hi, Neal!" Then Neal says "Hi, there!", and then Steve started talking about how excited they felt about the "new Journey record".

I felt chills running up and down my spine.

[Món]

Ever hear of pro tools?

Pro tools... Neal and Jon?

[*Laura]

That would never happen. And if it would, I think it's probably too late for them to become "important" again.

I know it will never happen.
The reason behind this topic was not a reunion wish.It was a memory from the band's past that made me ask myself again how can two people that created so many incredible songs together drift apart like that?

A reunion would come maybe *too late* because this is not the '80s anylonger.Still,they would recover most of the respect they have lost.
I think it would be also "important" for the majority of the fanbase.Some would love a reunion because they are nostalgic,some because they're curious.
I'd be curious and thrilled because I never had the chance to see the Classic Journey.But truthfully,I'd rather see Perry solo and would have supported Journey with Jeff.

Other than that,I can take as many naps as I want to.

I used to call the Steve Perry Hot Line back in the mid 90's, when they got together to make TBF. SP always left a message on his answering machine telling the caller about the latest news on his career. That's when I found out about TBF in the first place. He sounded so happy and upbeat on one of those messages.

It said something like this: "Hi, this is Steve Perry, and I'm walking in with the best guitar player in the world, Neal Schon! Say hi, Neal!" Then Neal says "Hi, there!", and then Steve started talking about how excited they felt about the "new Journey record".

I felt chills running up and down my spine.

See?That's what makes me sad.