Perry and Journey together again..........

[Red13JoePa]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

My issue is not wether or not he had the hip replaced, I could give a rip.
Mine is that he rufused to tour WITH the alleged condition, refused to remedy the condition so that a tour itinerary might be finalized and then refused to allow Journey to tour without him without them signing off on terms and conditions...

My opinion is that the band called his bluff on the so called injury and then out of spite for that he made it as difficult as could be for them to continue.

[NealIsGod]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Now you can sit at the adult table.

[Matthew]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Keeping it real? Give me a break, Red. No-one has EVER produced a scintilla of evidence to show that the hip story was fake.

Why did Perry even need to lie? He could have just said - like he said in 1987 - that he didn't fancy it, after all.

[ohsherrie]

WTF are you talking about? I concluded, because of Lora, that Steve did have the surgery. At the same time, I believe Froy has a very valid question/point about why Perry has let an almost 10 year old injury stop him from touring. Assuming he did have the surgery, I think it's fair to ask whether or not he did in fact use it as a crutch...no pun intended. I concluded that were both right because I think he DID have the surgery but that's NOT why he didn't tour. Comprende?

I'm sorry Dan, I misread your intentions. I was pissed off last night because this subject riles me more than most. I think it's so viciously ignorant for people to have even accused Steve of lying about this. Cain and Smitty both said in interview years ago that Steve really was in pain and yet they chose to ignore that so they could continue to rant on their theory. Other people over the years have verified it too, as EighyRock pointed out, but the people who wanted to say Steve was lying weren't about to let anyone change their minds. They were having too much fun bashing Steve about it. Now Lora has even confirmed it herself and they still want to hang onto their theories. It's nothing but pure mean-spirited hatefulness.

As for what's kept him from singing since, I haven't heard that he's had more surgery, but it doesn't take a loon to realize that the underlying problem that caused his hip to crash may not have been solved by that surgery. He has said in recent interviews that he has some health issues.

But that's neither here nor there, because he doesn't owe any of us any explanations.

It continues to amaze me that even though he's been out of Journey for 10 years, whenever there's unrest within the band somehow he gets pulled in share the fire. In fact, it's as if some people are taking out there frustrations at the others on Steve.

[Red13JoePa]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Keeping it real? Give me a break, Red. No-one has EVER produced a scintilla of evidence to show that the hip story was fake.

neither has a shred of proof been produced to show the story was true. A lot of "it happened, I know for a fact"s and "I know people who know people who said it happened"s. It's just odd that when you supposedly want to tour, but an injury supposedly keeps you from touring, that you wouldn't remedy the injury so that you could do what you supposedly want to do.

[Matthew]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Now you can sit at the adult table.

No - it's the table for veteran Journey apologists who have long needed to paint Perry in the worst possible light in order to prop up the mediocrity you all had such a passion for. Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

[larryfromnextdoor]

why dont one of you fans that has an insurance liscene start calling L.A. hospitals trying to verify this surgery in say 1994-1997... human resources... you work for Round Tree and think the hospital overpaid a bill... ect..... then we can all co-exist .... like fish...

[Matthew]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Keeping it real? Give me a break, Red. No-one has EVER produced a scintilla of evidence to show that the hip story was fake.

neither has a shred been produced to show the story was true. A lot of "it happened, I know for a fact"s and "I know people who know people who said it happened"s. It's just odd that when you supposedly want to tour, but an injury supposedly keeps you from touring, that you wouldn't remedy the injury so that you could do what you supposedly want to do.

I don't think it's at all odd to believe that Perry was paralysed by indecision....about surgery...about touring...about all kinds of things. You make out that the guy was always utterly straightforward and then 'suddenly' went a bit weird in 1997...

[Red13JoePa]

Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

Prior resentment of and being correct about something are not mutually exclusive.

[Matthew]

Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

Prior resentment of and being correct about something are not mutually exclusive.

No - but it might help your cause if somebody who genuinely respected the guy stumped up a few facts to confirm your claims.

[NealIsGod]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Now you can sit at the adult table.

No - it's the table for veteran Journey apologists who have long needed to paint Perry in the worst possible light in order to prop up the mediocrity you all had such a passion for. Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

You think a Loon will say that? They still think he can sing.

[Matthew]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Now you can sit at the adult table.

No - it's the table for veteran Journey apologists who have long needed to paint Perry in the worst possible light in order to prop up the mediocrity you all had such a passion for. Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

You think a Loon will say that? They still think he can sing.

And here we have the next resentful little untruth paraded as fact...

[Deb]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Now you can sit at the adult table.

No - it's the table for veteran Journey apologists who have long needed to paint Perry in the worst possible light in order to prop up the mediocrity you all had such a passion for. Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

You think a Loon will say that? They still think he can sing.

And you have proof that he can't????

[NealIsGod]

As long as it took for me to believe it, I am now fully convinced that Steve Perry made up the hip story.

Painful as it must've been for you, I'm glad you said it.
That's how to be a fan of perry's while keeping it real.

Now you can sit at the adult table.

No - it's the table for veteran Journey apologists who have long needed to paint Perry in the worst possible light in order to prop up the mediocrity you all had such a passion for. Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

You think a Loon will say that? They still think he can sing.

And here we have the next resentful little untruth paraded as fact...

TRUTH - Perry is done other than little projects like BG vox and reissues. He will never release a full length CD of new music where he sings lead ever again. Give it up.

[Red13JoePa]

Sorry NIG - but I've never heard this allegation made by anyone who doesn't seem to have a prior resentment toward the guy.

Prior resentment of and being correct about something are not mutually exclusive.

No - but it might help your cause if somebody who genuinely respected the guy stumped up a few facts to confirm your claims.

Unlike planet loon, I never claimed I had the facts, just claimed I thought he was full of shit and looked it even moreso when the band asked him to address the alleged problem.
It's my prerogative to call bullshit as it's yours to buy the story.

Factually, though, the Pure One had a history of short-circuiting tours, whatever the reasons.

[NealIsGod]

And you have proof that he can't????

His inactivity proves that he has no desire to sing, or just can't. What difference does it make? Same end result.

I don't call BG vox on a couple of songs "activity", so don't even cite that as evidence.

[Matthew]

TRUTH - Perry is done other than little projects like BG vox and reissues. He will never release a full length CD of new music where he sings lead ever again. Give it up.

Unfortunately it does seem that Perry is done. But it doesn't therefore follow that he "can't sing". No, maybe he can't sing to the highest standards of excellence which made him a superstar in the first place - but there's no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate that he couldn't record an album and perform a handful of live dates if he had the motivation to do so.

[Deb]

And you have proof that he can't????

His inactivity proves that he has no desire to sing, or just can't. What difference does it make? Same end result.

I don't call BG vox on a couple of songs "activity", so don't even cite that as evidence.

Makes a lot of difference. You are saying that he can't sing, when in actuality you have no idea whether he can or not.

[NealIsGod]

TRUTH - Perry is done other than little projects like BG vox and reissues. He will never release a full length CD of new music where he sings lead ever again. Give it up.

Unfortunately it does seem that Perry is done. But it doesn't therefore follow that he "can't sing". No, maybe he can't sing to the highest standards of excellence which made him a superstar in the first place - but there's no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate that he couldn't record an album and perform a handful of live dates if he had the motivation to do so.

So what's worse, Matt - Perry being able to sing but lacking the desire, or Perry not being able to sing?

Let's just say Perry WON'T sing and leave it at that.

[Matthew]

And you have proof that he can't????

His inactivity proves that he has no desire to sing, or just can't. What difference does it make? Same end result.

I don't call BG vox on a couple of songs "activity", so don't even cite that as evidence.

Big difference - otherwise you wouldn't keep spinning it so strongly in this negative direction. You are saying - as though it was fact - that Perry lied to his fans and the band because he was no longer competant at his job. Whereas it might equally be true that he was an outstanding vocalist who no longer had the fire and commitment and who wanted to quit at the top.

[NealIsGod]

And you have proof that he can't????

His inactivity proves that he has no desire to sing, or just can't. What difference does it make? Same end result.

I don't call BG vox on a couple of songs "activity", so don't even cite that as evidence.

Makes a lot of difference. You are stating as fact that he can't sing, when in actuality you have no idea whether he can or not.

I would love it if Perry would prove me wrong. But he won't.

[ohsherrie]

And you have proof that he can't????

They don't need proof. They are completely happy with whatever theory they choose to believe and refuse to even accept any evidence to the contrary. I doesn't matter how many people who are in positions to know say their beliefs are in error, and even though nobody in the know has given any evidence that their theories are correct, they will argue unto death that they are right. And in addition, anyone who disputes their theory is written off as a loon and therefore a person with no credibility.

It's not about what's true or what's right, it's about bashing Perry and loons, period.

Been there done that too many times. Not doing it again.

[strangegrey]

Frank, I hope you never have to have hip replacement because I wouldn't want Karma to give you what you deserve in that regard.

Don't you mean you hope I never have to lie about not really having a hip replacement?!

[Red13JoePa]

I would love it if Perry would prove me wrong. But he won't.

I'd yawn if he proved you wrong.

[Matthew]

TRUTH - Perry is done other than little projects like BG vox and reissues. He will never release a full length CD of new music where he sings lead ever again. Give it up.

Unfortunately it does seem that Perry is done. But it doesn't therefore follow that he "can't sing". No, maybe he can't sing to the highest standards of excellence which made him a superstar in the first place - but there's no evidence whatsoever to demonstrate that he couldn't record an album and perform a handful of live dates if he had the motivation to do so.

So what's worse, Matt - Perry being able to sing but lacking the desire, or Perry not being able to sing?

Let's just say Perry WON'T sing and leave it at that.

NIG - in 1997 Perry had seen both Journey's and his own album sales plummet to a low level he could barely have imagined fifteen years earlier. He was entering his 50s and he wasn't in perfect health. I guess I can understand why Perry might have thought...you what what? I'm done now...let's quit before it gets embarassing and we lose our dignity by outstaying our welcome.

[chad]

PS I think he could easily pull it off vocally. He's always been an artist first and a vocalist second. People tend to forget that his artistic delivery always outshined his stratospheric vocal abilities.

This above, without a doubt, is the most accurate and well-thought out sentence describing Perry.

Chad

[Deb]

I would love it if Perry would prove me wrong. But he won't.

I'd yawn if he proved you wrong.

Good, then I could shove a sock in it. j/k

[Deb]

NIG - in 1997 Perry had seen both Journey's and his own album sales plummet to a low level he could barely have imagined fifteen years earlier. He was entering his 50s and he wasn't in perfect health. I guess I can understand why Perry might have thought...you what what? I'm done now...let's quit before it gets embarassing and we lose our dignity by outstaying our welcome.

LOL kind of like NOW you mean??

[SteveForever]

I would love it if Perry would prove me wrong. But he won't.

I'd yawn if he proved you wrong.

Good, then I could shove a sock in it. j/k

[Red13JoePa]

NIG - in 1997 Perry had seen both Journey's and his own album sales plummet to a low level he could barely have imagined fifteen years earlier. He was entering his 50s and he wasn't in perfect health. I guess I can understand why Perry might have thought...you what what? I'm done now...let's quit before it gets embarassing and we lose our dignity by outstaying our welcome.

Would've been acceptable.

But he never cops to those sentiments. It's always ambiguous, half-hearted hints he drops that he still intends to be active that have planet loon sanctimoniously spouting out of one side of their mouth shit like "I'm satisfied with the incredible body of work he's graced us with and am happy if HE'S happy not singing again" while squealing and screeching out of the other side "His hair's long again (like the Samson of singing *swoon*)!!! He spit out the moon pies in his cheeks!! I have a source who after a 96-hour round-the-clock surveilance of TuxedoJacketMolester Studios saw him walk by and pause thoughtfully before passing!!!!! He usually just walks right by!!! He's DOING SOMETHING I KNOW IT!!!!!"

BTW, Matto, you are excluded from the above community as I really haven't seen you waver from the "like what he's done, hope to hear more someday" sect.