Perry and Journey together again..........

[strangegrey]

You've got to love this guy. Day after day he craps all over the musicians in the band who wrote the songs and made them famous...yet he'll defend every second-rate musician who had nothing to do with the band's success like his life depends on it. Honestly Strangegrey...give it up...

Mathew, didn't I tell you to blow it out your ass on another forum?

Bite me...you're not worth a hair on my ass until you start explaining away your stupid ass contradictions....

[Matthew]

You've got to love this guy. Day after day he craps all over the musicians in the band who wrote the songs and made them famous...yet he'll defend every second-rate musician who had nothing to do with the band's success like his life depends on it. Honestly Strangegrey...give it up...

Mathew, didn't I tell you to blow it out your ass on another forum?

Bite me...you're not worth a hair on my ass until you start explaining away your stupid ass contradictions....

And this from the man who in the last week alone has flip-flopped three times on the Arnel question....

By the way, I explained my "stupid ass contradictions" to you on your own forum a few days ago. But you know that already don't you?

[Perry86fan]

There wasn't a hip injury...no need to remain skeptical....just don't fucking believe it!!! Trust me, the hip injury was complete bullshit dreamt up to not have to tour.

Wrong. I know for a fact that Steve's hip injury/surgery was very real. What is bullshit is that people continually put this shit out there when they have no clue. Well, I do have a clue so you can believe me or not. Not aiming this solely at you Frank but this crap pisses me off. Now go ahead and tell me that I am a SP cheerleader who lies for him.

Thank You Lora!!!! Now just why in HELL can't you take his word for it? And something else he will NOT tour or sing again .So just leave him a lone .And i have said it before and i will say it again he is a good and kind & sweet man. I just bet you he would give you the shirt off his back. Boy you really can piss her off its just worng .

[perryfaithful]

Tell me Lora, if it's such a true story....how did it happen? What specifically was Heir Perry doing when he supposedly injured his hip? Because whatever bullshit story you quote, I can hit you with at least 2 or 3 other *reliable* news sources where the supposed 'activity' Stevie was involved in is very different. Can we discuss timelines? When exactly did this theoretical 'injury' happen? I'd love to hear another bedtime tale!
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http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/ste ... nite_in_la


"when Perry was diagnosed with a degenerative hip disease and the band replaced him with Steve Augeri."

I thought we were talking about a chronic disease that required surgery, not an "injury" per se?

[yak]

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/ste ... nite_in_la


"when Perry was diagnosed with a degenerative hip disease and the band replaced him with Steve Augeri."

I thought we were talking about a chronic disease that required surgery, not an "injury" per se?

I believe Steve himself said he "injured" his hip in Hawaii while hiking.

Your quote says "diagnosed with a degenerative hip disease."

Now get this, IF Perry had a degenerative hip condition, what the hell was he doing hiking in Hawaii??? I would think, IF he had a degenerative hip condition, he would not have been capable of going hiking, or of doing other things. You don't go hiking and one day magically discover that kind of condition. A person would have symptoms well beforehand. A hip doesn't degenerate over night.

Get your facts straight, Sparky!

[conversationpc]

I believe Steve himself said he "injured" his hip in Hawaii while hiking.

Your quote says "diagnosed with a degenerative hip disease."

Now get this, IF Perry had a degenerative hip condition, what the hell was he doing hiking in Hawaii??? I would think, IF he had a degenerative hip condition, he would not have been capable of going hiking, or of doing other things. You don't go hiking and one day magically discover that kind of condition. A person would have symptoms well beforehand. A hip doesn't degenerate over night.

Get your facts straight, Sparky!

Could it be that the degenerative condition wasn't discovered until after the supposed accident? It could have already been present and not bad enough to have been noticed until this happened. I'm not saying I know one way or the other because I'm suspicious about the whole hip injury thing, but this scenario could very well have taken place.

[perrylover52]

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/ste ... nite_in_la


"when Perry was diagnosed with a degenerative hip disease and the band replaced him with Steve Augeri."

I thought we were talking about a chronic disease that required surgery, not an "injury" per se?

I believe Steve himself said he "injured" his hip in Hawaii while hiking.

Your quote says "diagnosed with a degenerative hip disease."

Now get this, IF Perry had a degenerative hip condition, what the hell was he doing hiking in Hawaii??? I would think, IF he had a degenerative hip condition, he would not have been capable of going hiking, or of doing other things. You don't go hiking and one day magically discover that kind of condition. A person would have symptoms well beforehand. A hip doesn't degenerate over night.

Get your facts straight, Sparky!

From what I had read. Steve was in Hawaii hiking as a from of exercise to get his strength up for the TBF tour when he fell and hurt his hip. He called the manager and told him what had happened and that he'd come home as soon as the pain let up enough to let him. Once home after the doctor/doctor's visits it was at that time that he was diagnosed with the degenerative hip disease. My guess is if the fall hadn't happen maybe a broken hip would have and then it would have been diagnosed. Either way he had the degnerative hip disease.

[Red13JoePa]

From what I had read. Steve was in Hawaii hiking as a from of exercise to get his strength up for the TBF tour when he fell and hurt his hip.

There's an apocryphal version of these events, documented so cliffhanger-like on Behind The Music (as Living To Do played in the bg no less ) that has Augeri, at that point hiding under a leaf, sticking his foot out from under it and tripping perry and then stealing back off the island inside a robot Schon/Cain programmed to walk under water from Hawaii all the way back to a lonely dock unnoticed in a seedy part of China Basin.

[Deb]

From what I had read. Steve was in Hawaii hiking as a from of exercise to get his strength up for the TBF tour when he fell and hurt his hip.

There's an apocryphal version of these events, documented so cliffhanger-like on Behind The Music (as Living To Do played in the bg no less ) that has Augeri, at that point hiding under a leaf, sticking his foot out from under it and tripping perry and then stealing back off the island inside a robot Schon/Cain programmed to walk under water from Hawaii all the way back to a lonely dock unnoticed in a seedy part of China Basin.

Not quite TNC, but still pretty funny.

[perrylover52]

From what I had read. Steve was in Hawaii hiking as a from of exercise to get his strength up for the TBF tour when he fell and hurt his hip.

There's an apocryphal version of these events, documented so cliffhanger-like on Behind The Music (as Living To Do played in the bg no less ) that has Augeri, at that point hiding under a leaf, sticking his foot out from under it and tripping perry and then stealing back off the island inside a robot Schon/Cain programmed to walk under water from Hawaii all the way back to a lonely dock unnoticed in a seedy part of China Basin.

I don't understand what you are trying to get across here. I understand that you don't like Perry at all and will try to say anything bad about him when you can. Go for it. I just stated what I read. I don't have BTM so I have no idea what was said on that show. I'm guessing it's a show. I've never watch it if it is.

[Deb]

From what I had read. Steve was in Hawaii hiking as a from of exercise to get his strength up for the TBF tour when he fell and hurt his hip.

There's an apocryphal version of these events, documented so cliffhanger-like on Behind The Music (as Living To Do played in the bg no less ) that has Augeri, at that point hiding under a leaf, sticking his foot out from under it and tripping perry and then stealing back off the island inside a robot Schon/Cain programmed to walk under water from Hawaii all the way back to a lonely dock unnoticed in a seedy part of China Basin.

I don't understand what you are trying to get across here. I understand that you don't like Perry at all and will try to say anything bad about him when you can. Go for it. I just stated what I read. I don't have BTM so I have no idea what was said on that show. I'm guessing it's a show. I've never watch it if it is.

Actually I think he likes Perry well enough, considering he was one of the first to get the Perry solo remasters. He's just joshing, spoofing the BTM episode. That obviously wasn't on Behind the Music. Just likes pulling us Perry fans' chains.

[Red13JoePa]

No, I thought my post made it clear that I was offering the conspiracy version of the events as reported on BTM.

[Deb]

No, I thought my post made it clear that I was offering the conspiracy version of the events as reported on BTM.

Ya, OK.

[yak]

I don't understand what you are trying to get across here. I understand that you don't like Perry at all and will try to say anything bad about him when you can. Go for it. I just stated what I read. I don't have BTM so I have no idea what was said on that show. I'm guessing it's a show. I've never watch it if it is.

What's that saying I learned from my grandparents? Oh yeah..."Believe none of what you read and half of what you see" I think it was.

The same could be said of your entity...you all won't take anybody but Perry....ever.....not even gorgeous-assed Jeff. Sham and hypocrisy abound here.

[WickedGail]

Me? No so much what I'd like to see them do more what I'd like to see happen. I would like to see some interviewer get off the talking points sheet handed to them by managment and in Washington DC we know about our talking points sheets! Or get the opportunity myself. Get ballzy and in the tradition of Jay Leno on the Tonight Show asked the question heard around the world of Mr Hugh Grant, on the dismissal of one Mr Jeff Scott Soto......

"JUST WHAT THE HELL WERE YOU THINKING!"

And see what the body language and answer tells us about the real reason because what I have heard up untill now is so lame it sounds like bullshit to me! I'd love to see this! This would also finally seal it for me weather I ever wish to support this band with my dollars ever again, which right now is a resounding NO!

Because untill I hear some truth out of this bunch I really don't give a rats rear end what the hell they do in 2008.


Gail


Supporter of the Jeff Scott Soto and Steve Augeri solo projects 100%

[yak]

Because untill I hear some truth out of this bunch I really don't give a rats rear end what the hell they do in 2008.


Gail


Supporter of the Jeff Scott Soto and Steve Augeri solo projects 100%

Ahhh..........yes,yes, yes, but could you ever really believe anything these two twits have to say...ever again?

How would you know whether what comes out of their mouths is the truth?

[donnaplease]

OK, I've given this some thought and I wanna add my 2 cents...

I'm no expert on 'degenerative joint diseases' but I work with patients every day who suffer from them, and physical therapists who treat them. A degenerative condition is just that... degenerative. It is a gradual process, breakdown of the bone occurs due to disease or overuse. Often a patient doesn't know they have it until they have suffered an injury. For those that DO know they have it, the first line of treatment is ALWAYS conservative treatment. Medications, exercises, and other therapy modalities. Surgery is usually not considered until all other options have been exhausted and the pain and/or immobility is such that the patient has no other choice. It is a common surgery, but not one that doesn't carry any risks.

If he never had the surgery and needed to make up a lie to cover his tracks, wouldn't it have been smarter for him to just tell everyone that the conservative treatment he tried worked, and he didn't need the surgery after all. He wouldn't have to prove it with a 'scar' and it would lend credibility to his request for a little more time. Admitting the surgery is not a cover up, I see it rather as giving ammunition to those that say he just didn't want to tour or he should've had the surgery immediately. If he never had the surgery, I think he would be foolish to say he did.

It's kinda like calling in sick to work. Most people who are 'faking' it don't call in with a major illness, they call in saying they have 'a stomach bug' or 'a migraine' or something that allows the time off, but doesn't require a trip to the doctor and is hard to verify...

[mistiejourney]

OK, I've given this some thought and I wanna add my 2 cents...

I'm no expert on 'degenerative joint diseases' but I work with patients every day who suffer from them, and physical therapists who treat them. A degenerative condition is just that... degenerative. It is a gradual process, breakdown of the bone occurs due to disease or overuse. Often a patient doesn't know they have it until they have suffered an injury. For those that DO know they have it, the first line of treatment is ALWAYS conservative treatment. Medications, exercises, and other therapy modalities. Surgery is usually not considered until all other options have been exhausted and the pain and/or immobility is such that the patient has no other choice. It is a common surgery, but not one that doesn't carry any risks.

If he never had the surgery and needed to make up a lie to cover his tracks, wouldn't it have been smarter for him to just tell everyone that the conservative treatment he tried worked, and he didn't need the surgery after all. He wouldn't have to prove it with a 'scar' and it would lend credibility to his request for a little more time. Admitting the surgery is not a cover up, I see it rather as giving ammunition to those that say he just didn't want to tour or he should've had the surgery immediately. If he never had the surgery, I think he would be foolish to say he did.

It's kinda like calling in sick to work. Most people who are 'faking' it don't call in with a major illness, they call in saying they have 'a stomach bug' or 'a migraine' or something that allows the time off, but doesn't require a trip to the doctor and is hard to verify...

I don't play a nurse on TV, but I am one in real life and this is absolutely true. You don't know things are "degenerating" until you get into trouble and then the diagnosis is made.

Thanks, Donna! I wanted to write that but you did it much better!

[perrylover52]

OK, I've given this some thought and I wanna add my 2 cents...

I'm no expert on 'degenerative joint diseases' but I work with patients every day who suffer from them, and physical therapists who treat them. A degenerative condition is just that... degenerative. It is a gradual process, breakdown of the bone occurs due to disease or overuse. Often a patient doesn't know they have it until they have suffered an injury. For those that DO know they have it, the first line of treatment is ALWAYS conservative treatment. Medications, exercises, and other therapy modalities. Surgery is usually not considered until all other options have been exhausted and the pain and/or immobility is such that the patient has no other choice. It is a common surgery, but not one that doesn't carry any risks.

If he never had the surgery and needed to make up a lie to cover his tracks, wouldn't it have been smarter for him to just tell everyone that the conservative treatment he tried worked, and he didn't need the surgery after all. He wouldn't have to prove it with a 'scar' and it would lend credibility to his request for a little more time. Admitting the surgery is not a cover up, I see it rather as giving ammunition to those that say he just didn't want to tour or he should've had the surgery immediately. If he never had the surgery, I think he would be foolish to say he did.

It's kinda like calling in sick to work. Most people who are 'faking' it don't call in with a major illness, they call in saying they have 'a stomach bug' or 'a migraine' or something that allows the time off, but doesn't require a trip to the doctor and is hard to verify...

Thanks also Donna. Well put. I'm a former nursing assistant. Worked in hospitals and nursing homes. Seen alot. So I understand more then some others do. Plus with my bad right knee I know the process of doing the other stuff first before surgery. Surgery is always the very last thing you do unless it is an emergency. Which is why I believe he had the surgery. Like you said Steve could have said something else and no one other then those close to know would have known the difference.