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Postby T-Bone » Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:50 pm

:evil: :evil: :evil: I'd like to know why minors can be so fucking PURPOSELY deceptive and still get away with shit. They lie to get alcohol, they lie to get cigerettes, they lie for SEX, but somehow it's always the other persons fault. Fucking society screams about minors who commit crimes and wanting them to be treated as adults (Some very well should be), but when it comes to alcohol, cigerettes and sex, they want them to be treated as unknowing, unwilling "VICTIMS" :evil: :evil: :evil:

Sure there are sexual preditors out there that prey on young people and I feel that they should be shot, but when it's the "Minors" that are the ones doing the lying, then I think that the courts should take that into account when they try to punish someone for stupid shit like this. In my eyes, this guy was the victim...

"But her profile said she was 18" = jail cell


Be careful when hooking up with other "adults" online—even if they say they're 18, you'll be the one in hot water if they turn out to be 14 instead. That's the opinion of a federal judge in Ohio, who dismissed a suit last week against SexSearch.com, a web site that hosts personals ads by people who are looking for sex. The plaintiff, who went by John Doe due to the very personal nature of the suit, accused the site and its owners of negligent misrepresentation, fraud, and breach of warranty, but Judge Jack Zouhary ruled that the site and its alleged transgressions were protected under the 1996 Communications Decency Act.

It all goes back to 2005, when Doe became a paying member of SexSearch.com in order to find... well, you know. He eventually met another paying member on the site, a woman who is named in the court documents as Jane Roe. Roe had completed her profile on the site with a recent and authentic picture, a birth date that indicated that she was over 18, and a statement that she was looking for someone "who could last for a long time." The two eventually decided to meet, with Doe going over to Roe's abode in November of 2005 to engage in... well, you know.

Things were all well and good, and the two had even lost contact after a short period of time. Until one night a month later, that is, when Doe found his house surrounded by police—it turned out that Roe was merely 14. Doe was arrested and charged with three separate accounts of unlawful sexual conduct with a minor, and he currently faces up to 15 years in prison as well as a lifetime registration as a sexual offender. Doe was publicly named for engaging in sexual relations with a minor, which he said ruined his reputation as a law-abiding citizen and caused him to lose his job. All in all, Doe's case sounds like the worst nightmare of almost anyone who has searched for a "casual" relationship with someone online.

Doe's complaint places blame for the entire series of events on the shoulders of SexSearch.com, which he says misrepresented itself by displaying the phrase "all persons within this site are 18+." Since SexSearch.com also reserved the right to modify member profiles that it believed to be misleading or underage, Doe said that it was negligent and deceptive since it allowed Roe's profile and photo to remain on the site. Basically, if the site had discovered Roe's real age and subsequently prevented her from posting on the site, none of this would have ever happened.

While that may be true, Judge Zouhary didn't feel that that Doe should have placed that much trust in the site. In his 29-page ruling, the judge wrote that there was nothing deceptive about the site's warning language stating that all persons were over 18. "Plaintiff was not an unsuspecting customer," wrote Zouhary in his opinion. "He was aware the SexSearch membership registration process did not include an age-verification procedure. As noted above, Plaintiff specifically agreed to Terms and Conditions which stated that SexSearch did not guarantee or verify any information provided by users of the website, and nothing outside of the Terms and Conditions creates warranties."

Ultimately, Zouhary said, SexSearch.com was protected under section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which states that "interactive computer services" cannot be held responsible for publishing information provided to them by members. Judge Zouhary also cited a 2007 lawsuit involving MySpace, which asserted that MySpace should be held responsible for minors participating in communications with adults—another case dismissed as a result of section 230. Since Doe never attempted to argue that the site had modified Roe's profile, Zouhary said that the service was otherwise protected by section 230.

Zouhary ruled that even without the section 230 protections, Doe's case was not a strong one. He wrote that Doe had plenty of opportunity to verify Roe's age when he met her in person at what we all presume to be her parents' house, but failed to do so. "Plaintiff employed a double-barreled shotgun approach to this case, but failed to hit a claim upon which relief may be granted," reads the opinion. Unfortunately for John Doe, it looks like 14 will get him 15 in the slammer.
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Postby nikki » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:00 pm

Maybe in the ways you described it does seem somewhat unfair, but this guy was an idiot to put so much trust in that site. Doesn't he watch Dateline?? Didn't he know such sites are watched by the authorities? The only safe way to meet people is face to face. Even then you don't know what you're getting into, but at least it's easier to determine if the other person is a consenting adult. Chalk this up to an utterly stupid, extremely costly mistake.
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Postby T-Bone » Sun Sep 02, 2007 9:41 pm

Even face to face people lie about their ages these days, especially minors. Young girls ESPECIALLY lie about their ages and it's alot easier for them thanks to provocative outfits, makeup and early development of "essentials" :wink: Parents are more worried if their child is going to be in the popular crowd rather than moniter what they are wearing to school as well as other places. When I worked at the bar, I had young girls all the time coming in and asking me to play this or that (I was a DJ) and I knew damn well they were WELL underage. One of them happened to be a friends younger sister and I knew for a fact that she was only 15, but she was pretty well developed and flaunted herself quite a bit. I got the bouncer to go check her ID and he came back and said it was legit. I went over to see it and I knew damn well it wasn't her. She was booted :wink:

I guess my point is that the authorities should take into account what the minors intentions were at the time. I'm not saying that the fault is SOLELY placed on the minor, but many people out there find it hard to determine ages these days, especially on young girls. 1 day can make a difference between 17 and 18, but can you tell by looking? I find it even hard to tell the difference between some 16 year olds and 25 year olds sometimes :shock:
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Postby Liam » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:05 pm

T-Bone wrote:Even face to face people lie about their ages these days, especially minors. Young girls ESPECIALLY lie about their ages and it's alot easier for them thanks to provocative outfits, makeup and early development of "essentials" :wink: Parents are more worried if their child is going to be in the popular crowd rather than moniter what they are wearing to school as well as other places. When I worked at the bar, I had young girls all the time coming in and asking me to play this or that (I was a DJ) and I knew damn well they were WELL underage. One of them happened to be a friends younger sister and I knew for a fact that she was only 15, but she was pretty well developed and flaunted herself quite a bit. I got the bouncer to go check her ID and he came back and said it was legit. I went over to see it and I knew damn well it wasn't her. She was booted :wink:

I guess my point is that the authorities should take into account what the minors intentions were at the time. I'm not saying that the fault is SOLELY placed on the minor, but many people out there find it hard to determine ages these days, especially on young girls. 1 day can make a difference between 17 and 18, but can you tell by looking? I find it even hard to tell the difference between some 16 year olds and 25 year olds sometimes :shock:


AMEN. I went to Walmart a few days ago to return something and this chick behind me (who looked about 22) and I started chatting. She ended up being 16. Blew my fucking mind...'cause she sure as hell didn't look it. Nor did she act like it. We actually had a good conversation about music...and I wasn't bored with her. :lol:
But you're right...parents (NO OFFENSE TO THE MOMS AND DADS HERE) seem to be more worried about their kids getting into the "In" crowd rather than checking what they're doing outside of the popularity contest.

As far as the bar thing goes...again...AMEN. I was a bartender for 2 1/2 years and some of the people that came in were VERY well "built", but were also HIGHLY underage. Didn't look like it though. It's amazing...a few years ago I could always tell....but now...pssshhht....I HAVE to check ID's. :lol:
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Postby T-Bone » Sun Sep 02, 2007 10:34 pm

I have an ex girlfriend that I didn't know her real age until we had been talking for almost a month. She was 5'10", 36D and long gorgeous hair. She wore tank tops and mini skirts and was very mature for her age. I thought she was 23-24 when we started chatting online and on the phone and a week before our first official date, I found out she was 18 :shock: I was 28 at the time, but we went out anyway considering we had already been talking for so long and got along fine. Many of my friends thought she was in her 20's as well and we just never mentioned her real age. She'd come to the bar when I was DJing and the bouncer was too busy checking out her cleavage to ever check her ID. We broke up 2 months later and she still continued trying to get into my bar, but I informed the bartenders how old she really was. She didn't drink when she was in there anyway... Diet Cokes. But That ended that. Like I really wanted to watch her hit on other guys in front of me or vice-versa.


Still the same... NO ONE would have ever guessed her 18 years old, even just by looks.


I'm not saying all girls should dress in turtlenecks and long pants, but younger girls are in such a hurry to look "sexy", and they don't even know what the hell it is yet. They seem to think it's how much skin you show... They lie about their ages to get what they want as well as attention and one of these days, they're going to get MORE attention than they bargined for because of it.


I still think that guy got hosed... :evil:
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Postby piecesofeight » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:14 pm

Boy, couldn't SO MANY of the problems in the world and life today be better for people if they saved sex for marriage.
Just thinking outload as this makes me think of all the things that keep coming up from having sex outside of marriage.
I'm not saying either way what I believe on sex outside of marriage and I am sure this will open up a can of worms.
Just thinking about all the things that sex outside of marriage can cause. Granted, things can still happen with sex only inside of marriage and one partner, but not near as much.
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Postby Liam » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:18 pm

T-Bone wrote:
I still think that guy got hosed... :evil:


I'm actually with ya on that one, dude. I can see if the guy had a history of being a sexual predator...lock the fucker away for life. But, he might have actually might have been a good guy who made a mistake.
Yet, the GIRL is the victim. :roll:
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Postby Liam » Sun Sep 02, 2007 11:19 pm

piecesofeight wrote:Boy, couldn't SO MANY of the problems in the world and life today be better for people if they saved sex for marriage.
Just thinking outload as this makes me think of all the things that keep coming up from having sex outside of marriage.
I'm not saying either way what I believe on sex outside of marriage and I am sure this will open up a can of worms.
Just thinking about all the things that sex outside of marriage can cause. Granted, things can still happen with sex only inside of marriage and one partner, but not near as much.


I don't understand the "save sex till marriage" thing. EESH. :lol:.


j/k bro. :lol:
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Postby Saint John » Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:03 am

If I'm this girl's parents, I'm begging the state to drop ALL charges. No way could I sleep at night knowing some guy is in jail for FIFTEEN fuckin' years because my daughter is a dirty little whore. This is a PERFECT time to use this guy as a mouthpiece to make sure this doesn't happen again, but instead they think locking him up will solve everything. It won't. It's merely gonna ruin his life. Meantime, I'm sure this bitch is under the table in the school library giving someone lip service. While this dude is certainly no saint, there ARE cases where 14 year olds have been tried as adults when they commit crimes. This is no different. This tramp KNEW what she was doing.
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Postby Blondie » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:05 am

Saint John wrote:If I'm this girl's parents, I'm begging the state to drop ALL charges. No way could I sleep at night knowing some guy is in jail for FIFTEEN fuckin' years because my daughter is a dirty little whore. This is a PERFECT time to use this guy as a mouthpiece to make sure this doesn't happen again, but instead they think locking him up will solve everything. It won't. It's merely gonna ruin his life. Meantime, I'm sure this bitch is under the table in the school library giving someone lip service. While this dude is certainly no saint, there ARE cases where 14 year olds have been tried as adults when they commit crimes. This is no different. This tramp KNEW what she was doing.


I actually agree wholeheartedly with you here. BTW, the more skin they show, and the more makeup they wear, usually is a direct correlation to how young they are. But then again...hoes come in all ages. :lol:
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Postby Blondie » Mon Sep 03, 2007 7:07 am

Liam wrote:
piecesofeight wrote:Boy, couldn't SO MANY of the problems in the world and life today be better for people if they saved sex for marriage.
Just thinking outload as this makes me think of all the things that keep coming up from having sex outside of marriage.
I'm not saying either way what I believe on sex outside of marriage and I am sure this will open up a can of worms.
Just thinking about all the things that sex outside of marriage can cause. Granted, things can still happen with sex only inside of marriage and one partner, but not near as much.


I don't understand the "save sex till marriage" thing. EESH. :lol:.


j/k bro. :lol:


I don't think he said it was easy Liam, just a way to avoid many problems. And it's true, but difficult.
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Postby stevew2 » Mon Sep 03, 2007 8:27 am

Saint John wrote:If I'm this girl's parents, I'm begging the state to drop ALL charges. No way could I sleep at night knowing some guy is in jail for FIFTEEN fuckin' years because my daughter is a dirty little whore. This is a PERFECT time to use this guy as a mouthpiece to make sure this doesn't happen again, but instead they think locking him up will solve everything. It won't. It's merely gonna ruin his life. Meantime, I'm sure this bitch is under the table in the school library giving someone lip service. While this dude is certainly no saint, there ARE cases where 14 year olds have been tried as adults when they commit crimes. This is no different. This tramp KNEW what she was doing.

I agree with you SJ.Ithink it is the parents reasponsabilty to be in there daughters shit until she is 18. Thats how I am, not much gets by me. Some parents are into there careers and there own shit to bother spending time, or keeping an eye on their daughters and sons.I was given to much freedom when i was 15, got myself in all kinds of trouble, I had to pay for my "fun" for 18 fucking years paying Child support. I feel sorry for that guy,i hope didnt get her pregnant
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Postby conversationpc » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:52 am

The guy ought to have some punishment but 15 years and a lifetime as a registered sex offender is way too much.
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Postby Maui Tom » Mon Sep 03, 2007 9:54 am

T-Bone wrote:



I still think that guy got hosed... :evil:


Guess he DID get that. :)
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