About Arnel Pineda...and the Journey Forums

[StoneCold]

No surprize the bad was picked up and the good overlooked.

1. The article gets more interest that way.
2. It'll bring more attention to Arnel if the Associated Press or Rolling Stone pick it up (let's hope not).

I don't believe the posters who did those pictures were being mean spirited, but you have to admit they are pretty damning.
It's hard to argue that the "inappropriate" content was all in good natured fun.

The article doesn't mention that a lot of us stated quickly that ethnicity was not an issue. To be fair, they should state that. A lot of us said good things about Arnel.

[Deb]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

They seriously believe that?? Wow! No wonder they let Jeff go. I guess Brian May was right on the money.

[SPFan4ever]

Why does it even matter about race? Steve Perry is Portuguese.

[donnaplease]

I believe I was one of the first to comment about Journey being an "American" band, and I didn't want a non-dominantly-English-speaker singer leading it. I still don't. If anyone thinks I'm racist because of that, so be it.

No Donna. I am too lazy to go get the exact wording, but you did say you didn't want Arnel singing in Journey because he was "Not an American citizen."

That still boggles my mind.

This was my comment at TBJF, in an exchange with Fyre:

And Journey is the shitiest of the shit... I think I read that someplace before!!!

All this talk about racism is just stupid. Is this man being targeted for assasination because he's filipino? Hell no, there are just people who don't think he's right for the All-American band that is Journey.

Yes, there is intolerance. I will not tolerate the band that I once loved (and still want to love) making choices that IMO are totally ridiculous. It just so happens that this guy is a foreigner (hey, do they need a new lead singer, that would actually work...?) and that is what people are jumping on. If he had a physical anomaly folks would talk about that. How many 'intolerant' references have there been to SP's nose, or the fact that JSS is 'too tall'.

There are too many people that want to use the 'race card' simply to have something to say. It does as much to harm relations as those that are making the supposed 'racial' comments.

But you're right, Dean. I did say that here. And I still believe it. It is my personal belief and I'm entitled to it. Others don't have to understand it or accept it, and that's okay. I don't agree with lots that is said here, but WTF... it takes all kinds.

[StoneCold]

Why does it even matter about race? Steve Perry is Portuguese.

Go back just a few hundred years and ALL of us are from somewhere else.

The only original "Americans" are the Indians and a few thousand years further back they came from somewhere else (Asia-Alaskan Land-Bridge).

The reason this never became an issue with Perry is that Portuguese is considered white. Just like French, Italian, Irish, Scottish and so on.

If you're light skinned, you're accepted as white. Even people with accents from other countries would be considered "white" by many here if they look white.

Not that it makes any difference but Perry was born in America. "Officially" he is American.

I'm also of the opinion that if you can do the job, race doesn't matter

[Rick]

I'm also of the opinion that if you can do the job, race doesn't matter

This is absolutely correct.

[Monker]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

[JH'sTXfan]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

After several decades of living in the 80's, I don't think anyone around here's going anywhere.

[StoneCold]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

If Journey gets a singer that can make the songs "sound" like they do on the albums, they'll always sell tickets.

Turn on the radio. For us fans, very little of today's music can compete with what we know and love.

[JH'sTXfan]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

If Journey gets a singer that can make the songs "sound" like they do on the albums, they'll always sell tickets.

Turn on the radio. For us fans, very little of today's music can compete with what we know and love.

I heard that new Springsteen song on the radio today..."Radio Nowhere". He said it!

[Monker]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

After several decades of living in the 80's, I don't think anyone around here's going anywhere.

We on these forums are irrelevant now...if we even did matter.

The people Journey wish to tempt are the %99 of the other fans who go to concerts and do NOT follow these forums. They are the people who hear Journey is going to be performing and, "I used to like them back when I was a kid...it would be kinda neat to see them..." Or, they think, "I hear them on the radio once in a while...it would be kinda neat to see them, even though I wasn't born when they recorded this music."

Those are the people they are courting....not us. The, "Journey should do ______ because us hard core fans supported them for thirty years and we know what is best..." Or the, "If Journey doesn't do ______ I am and done as a fan and I have supported them for 30yrs." This crowd no longer matters cuz it is such a small percentage of the big picture.

Ten years ago, it was different, because they wanted some longevity...Nowadays, they are just going for the quick buck while they still can.

[heardonthestreet]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

If Journey gets a singer that can make the songs "sound" like they do on the albums, they'll always sell tickets.

Turn on the radio. For us fans, very little of today's music can compete with what we know and love.

I heard that new Springsteen song on the radio today..."Radio Nowhere". He said it!

Right! It's Perry or bust.

[Andrew]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

Which is why it is so bitterly disappointing they did not embrace the possibilities of forging any new ground with JSS as frontman.

[JH'sTXfan]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

After several decades of living in the 80's, I don't think anyone around here's going anywhere.

We on these forums are irrelevant now...if we even did matter.

The people Journey wish to tempt are the %99 of the other fans who go to concerts and do NOT follow these forums. They are the people who hear Journey is going to be performing and, "I used to like them back when I was a kid...it would be kinda neat to see them..." Or, they think, "I hear them on the radio once in a while...it would be kinda neat to see them, even though I wasn't born when they recorded this music."

Those are the people they are courting....not us. The, "Journey should do ______ because us hard core fans supported them for thirty years and we know what is best..." Or the, "If Journey doesn't do ______ I am and done as a fan and I have supported them for 30yrs." This crowd no longer matters cuz it is such a small percentage of the big picture.

Ten years ago, it was different, because they wanted some longevity...Nowadays, they are just going for the quick buck while they still can.

I do agree.

[Rick]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

After several decades of living in the 80's, I don't think anyone around here's going anywhere.

We on these forums are irrelevant now...if we even did matter.

The people Journey wish to tempt are the %99 of the other fans who go to concerts and do NOT follow these forums. They are the people who hear Journey is going to be performing and, "I used to like them back when I was a kid...it would be kinda neat to see them..." Or, they think, "I hear them on the radio once in a while...it would be kinda neat to see them, even though I wasn't born when they recorded this music."

Those are the people they are courting....not us. The, "Journey should do ______ because us hard core fans supported them for thirty years and we know what is best..." Or the, "If Journey doesn't do ______ I am and done as a fan and I have supported them for 30yrs." This crowd no longer matters cuz it is such a small percentage of the big picture.

Ten years ago, it was different, because they wanted some longevity...Nowadays, they are just going for the quick buck while they still can.

Have to agree with you here dude.

[frfksakes]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

Which is why it is so bitterly disappointing they did not embrace the possibilities of forging any new ground with JSS as frontman.

Exactly how I feel, Andrew.

& I not only feel cheated by what might have been with Jeff, but also because Journey seems so determined to remain stagnant.

[stevew2]

Well, if Arnie (can we call him Arnie yet?) gets the gig, I think Frontiers should start touring the country and blow Journey off the stage.

Perhaps Journey could open for Frontiers...

Great idea, I would pay money for that

[STORY_TELLER]

Unfortunately, Monker hit the nail on the head (and posted what I was going to say first, lol...).

Arnel does have a good voice, but Steve Perry he is not. JSS he is not. To me he sounds great on every cover song he's done, except the Journey tunes. Sounds to me like Neal and Jon don't really give a damn about continuing the band named Journey, but living off its corpse on the GH tour year after year. Oh well... I hope Perry releases the material he's been working on with Nuno Bettencourt. Or at the very least, releases what he's had stored in the vault all these years.

So sad to say, but with this news, my Journey's over. (Never thought I'd say that)

[mistiejourney]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

Which is why it is so bitterly disappointing they did not embrace the possibilities of forging any new ground with JSS as frontman.

They could have hit the stratosphere again with JSS - he has the sound that today's radio WANTS, only he is 800% better than anything out there.

[styxman]

Inappropriate now that's a word I like better.

It's funny though we can rip Paris Hilton to pieces and absolutely pull poor old Augeri in all directions but no one ever takes real offense at that, mention someone from another culture and!!!!!!!!...... it's the way of the world I guess.

Every person in the limelight is open to jabs and so may it continue, in an inappropriate way that is

For all you newbies and first time viewers.....read a few past threads before you jump to conclusions about the Journey board, we're a good bunch of inappropriates,.

So Arnel's in then, I'll be damned

[JH'sTXfan]

Inappropriate now that's a word I like better.

It's funny though we can rip Paris Hilton to pieces and absolutely pull poor old Augeri in all directions but no one ever takes real offense at that, mention someone from another culture and!!!!!!!!...... it's the way of the world I guess.

Every person in the limelight is open to jabs and so may it continue, in an inappropriate way that is

For all you newbies and first time viewers.....read a few past threads before you jump to conclusions about the Journey board, we're a good bunch of inappropriates,.

So Arnel's in then, I'll be damned

Now you're jumping to conclusions. There's been no announcement.

[styxman]

Inappropriate now that's a word I like better.

It's funny though we can rip Paris Hilton to pieces and absolutely pull poor old Augeri in all directions but no one ever takes real offense at that, mention someone from another culture and!!!!!!!!...... it's the way of the world I guess.

Every person in the limelight is open to jabs and so may it continue, in an inappropriate way that is

For all you newbies and first time viewers.....read a few past threads before you jump to conclusions about the Journey board, we're a good bunch of inappropriates,.

So Arnel's in then, I'll be damned

Now you're jumping to conclusions. There's been no announcement.

an inappropriate conclusion

[Saint John]

I still say that Arnel will NOT get the job.

[NealIsGod]

I still say that Arnel will NOT get the job.

Add me to that list, SJ.

[dcvader]

I still say that Arnel will NOT get the job.

Add me to that list, SJ.

Please add me to that list as well.

[MMMS]

Inappropriate now that's a word I like better.

It's funny though we can rip Paris Hilton to pieces and absolutely pull poor old Augeri in all directions but no one ever takes real offense at that, mention someone from another culture and!!!!!!!!...... it's the way of the world I guess.

Every person in the limelight is open to jabs and so may it continue, in an inappropriate way that is

For all you newbies and first time viewers.....read a few past threads before you jump to conclusions about the Journey board, we're a good bunch of inappropriates,.

So Arnel's in then, I'll be damned

Now you're jumping to conclusions. There's been no announcement.

Oh thank God!! I thought I missed something....

[Liquid_Drummer]

I think he already has the job. I think this guy has the best voice so far for Journey (only Jason Kelty is better) and I dont even notice an accent when he is singing. If this guy can write........

[styxman]

I think he already has the job. I think this guy has the best voice so far for Journey (only Jason Kelty is better) and I dont even notice an accent when he is singing. If this guy can write........

Hold on, one thing at a time now. Let him settle into the American Way first, the writing will happen somewhere down the line

If he's not in, my names Donald Fuckin' Duck

[Saint John]

I think he already has the job. I think this guy has the best voice so far for Journey (only Jason Kelty is better) and I dont even notice an accent when he is singing. If this guy can write........

Again, we come back to culture. The other members of Journey grew up in the U.S. They experienced their childhoods here, the "American" way of life, events like Vietnam, 9/11 and countless other events unique to our country. Enter Arnel, a very culturally different person. Will they be able to write together? Will the language barrier hinder them? What life experiences do they have in common to write about? Will the public accept it? No, yes, very few and no.

[Red13JoePa]

Andrew, I would immediately write a rebuttal, explaining the fact you allow opinion, and the expressed opinion on this board does NOT express the viewpoint of the Board owner. Then, go on and explain that Journey themselves are utilizing and manipulating this Board for their own personal gain, and that you have no problem with it. You need to write something asap. Hell, let me do it.

I agree, rebuttals are in order from both MR.com and The(bash)Journey Forums, Andrew and Frank.

Cheapshots taken with a broad brush from afar should be dealt with.