About Arnel Pineda...and the Journey Forums

[Eric]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

After several decades of living in the 80's, I don't think anyone around here's going anywhere.

We on these forums are irrelevant now...if we even did matter.

The people Journey wish to tempt are the %99 of the other fans who go to concerts and do NOT follow these forums. They are the people who hear Journey is going to be performing and, "I used to like them back when I was a kid...it would be kinda neat to see them..." Or, they think, "I hear them on the radio once in a while...it would be kinda neat to see them, even though I wasn't born when they recorded this music."

Those are the people they are courting....not us. The, "Journey should do ______ because us hard core fans supported them for thirty years and we know what is best..." Or the, "If Journey doesn't do ______ I am and done as a fan and I have supported them for 30yrs." This crowd no longer matters cuz it is such a small percentage of the big picture.

Ten years ago, it was different, because they wanted some longevity...Nowadays, they are just going for the quick buck while they still can.

Good post. Without the hardcore they won't be able to grow and have a good foundation, but that doesn't matter if they are on their last legs.

[Matthew]

I think he already has the job. I think this guy has the best voice so far for Journey (only Jason Kelty is better) and I dont even notice an accent when he is singing. If this guy can write........

Again, we come back to culture. The other members of Journey grew up in the U.S. They experienced their childhoods here, the "American" way of life, events like Vietnam, 9/11 and countless other events unique to our country. Enter Arnel, a very culturally different person. Will they be able to write together? Will the language barrier hinder them? What life experiences do they have in common to write about? Will the public accept it? No, yes, very few and no.

I disagree with this, Saint John. Yes, of course there would be some cultural differences but...

We have no clue yet about whether or not there will be any songwriting chemistry between Arnel and Journey - and a US citzenship is no guarantee of that chemistry occuring in any case.

Arnel speaks English doesn't he? And it's not like he'll need to be discussing literature and philosophy with Neal or anything like that. The standard of English in the group at the moment is pretty limited, let's face it.

As for life experiences...well, about 95% of Journey's songs are about universal themes such as love and loss and hope etc etc. Aside from Faith In The Heartland and Winds of Freedom and maybe Liberty I can't think of many songs which are uniquely about America.

Will the public accept it? If the guy delivers live they will. In any case, the Journey name draws in the punters and no-one takes any of this that seriously. Except the die-hards...but as we saw when Augeri left...it takes them about two weeks to move on to the next guy. I bet this time next year half the people here will be back to calling the doubters 'Loons' and saying they're 'stuck in the past' if they don't support Arnel.

[StoneCold]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

If Journey gets a singer that can make the songs "sound" like they do on the albums, they'll always sell tickets.

Turn on the radio. For us fans, very little of today's music can compete with what we know and love.

I heard that new Springsteen song on the radio today..."Radio Nowhere". He said it!

Radio Nowhere! Heard it for the first time today. Nice to hear the "E" band backing him again.

[LAWoman]

Andrew, I would immediately write a rebuttal, explaining the fact you allow opinion, and the expressed opinion on this board does NOT express the viewpoint of the Board owner. Then, go on and explain that Journey themselves are utilizing and manipulating this Board for their own personal gain, and that you have no problem with it. You need to write something asap. Hell, let me do it.

I agree, rebuttals are in order from both MR.com and The(bash)Journey Forums, Andrew and Frank.

Cheapshots taken with a broad brush from afar should be dealt with.

Anybody with eyes in their head can see those pics are racists and anyone who read those threads knows there were racist commments. It compounds the problems to deny it. It is not bad enough that Journey has probably breathed its last for many fans, but now Journey fans have been branded as racist thanks to a handful of ill-mannered, people who are encouraged to behave as savages in the kingdom of melodicrock where rudeness is encouraged. There are fans who gave their time, money, hearts and souls to further the legacy of this band by getting them honors such as the Hollywood Walk of Fame and the SF WOF. Now Journey is going out on a ridiculous note with racist fans. Negativity only brings more negativity and unfortunately your stink is getting all over the fans who don't have anything to do with your childish behavior. Grow up.

[bionic]

I have posted my thoughts on what I HEAR in this particular person and it IS an accent, therefore I believe that there are better choices for new lead singer of Journey it has nothing to do with race.

Its just Journey karaoke now.Unlike VH or Black Sabbath, Rainbow,Deep Purple who took on a new singer with a personality and a new sound for the band Journey just want some one to ape Perry and do the hits.For some people that will be fine not me.In regard to a new singers nationality who cares as long as he can sing,i dont think this new guy fits then again i had doubts with Jeff and he turned out great,hand on heart i feel its over for Journey

[SteveForever]

I agree Journey is manipulating the fans and this board, I think we are all in for a big surprise.

[StoneCold]

I agree Journey is manipulating the fans and this board, I think we are all in for a big surprise.

How is "the band" manipulating this board?

A mole among us?

[frfksakes]

I agree Journey is manipulating the fans and this board, I think we are all in for a big surprise.

Well, if their aim is to manipulate us into being disgusted, then it's working beautifully.

[NealIsGod]

I agree Journey is manipulating the fans and this board, I think we are all in for a big surprise.

How is "the band" manipulating this board?

A mole among us?

Well, we know it's not R13JPa. He hates moles.

[Monker]

But Journey as they are in 2007 believe that it doesn't matter who fronts the band now...it is all about the songs and as long as Neal and Jon are there, fans will keep coming to the show to hear the classics.

And, they are correct...but only as long as nostalgia lasts. When the nostalgic fans get bored living in the 80's, Journey will have nothing left.

Which is why it is so bitterly disappointing they did not embrace the possibilities of forging any new ground with JSS as frontman.

And, that would have never happened.

Can't you see that they don't give a damn about recording any longer, and they haven't since Arrival? "Forging new ground" has been irrelevent for a VERY long time. A new album with JSS would have NEVER happened. JSS would have been in no different a position then whoever replaces him.

It's only 'bitterly disappointing' because you bought into the propaganda that was being tossed around. I didn't, and it wasn't even much of a suprise.

The truth is what they are doing now is what they should have done after Augeri was let go...Let JSS tour, and then take their time in finding a replacement. JSS should have NEVER been announced as the new singer. They should have NEVER talked about recording an album with him. JSS should have always been "the guy who saved the tour." Everybody would have looked a LOT better...Instead they look like a bunch of almost-60 idiots who are grasping at straws to keep their music careers somewhat alive for a few more years.

Journey makes bad decision after bad decision. Arnel is a bad decision, even auditioning him. Same with Jeremy. Same with Jason Kelty. They need to find somebody who can do the job who is not well known that people will give a chance. Not some YouTube guy or tribute band singer. IMO, it's an almost an impossible task.

[Monker]

I think he already has the job. I think this guy has the best voice so far for Journey (only Jason Kelty is better) and I dont even notice an accent when he is singing. If this guy can write........

Again, we come back to culture. The other members of Journey grew up in the U.S. They experienced their childhoods here, the "American" way of life, events like Vietnam, 9/11 and countless other events unique to our country. Enter Arnel, a very culturally different person. Will they be able to write together? Will the language barrier hinder them? What life experiences do they have in common to write about? Will the public accept it? No, yes, very few and no.

All of the above is irrelevent. Read what JC has said. All they want is someone who can sing the catalog...not someone who can relate to it, or who can write a new catalog.

[NealIsGod]

I think he already has the job. I think this guy has the best voice so far for Journey (only Jason Kelty is better) and I dont even notice an accent when he is singing. If this guy can write........

Again, we come back to culture. The other members of Journey grew up in the U.S. They experienced their childhoods here, the "American" way of life, events like Vietnam, 9/11 and countless other events unique to our country. Enter Arnel, a very culturally different person. Will they be able to write together? Will the language barrier hinder them? What life experiences do they have in common to write about? Will the public accept it? No, yes, very few and no.

All of the above is irrelevent. Read what JC has said. All they want is someone who can sing the catalog...not someone who can relate to it, or who can write a new catalog.

Then I'm not interested. It's a lot cheaper and way more fun to go see Frontiers.

[EightyRock]

Gotta agree it doesn't matter who they hire. They aren't interested in new music, unless it is just Neal and Jon writing it to try to stroke their own egos. They aren't gonna have some new dude throwing ideas around. They didn't give Augeri much input into any songs until late in the game, they gave Soto zero input, so they aren't going to let anybody else in, either.

They just want an oldies tour for a quick cash grab and have already said they were going BACK, musically. (not forward)

As far as Arnel is concerned...he's not the answer. His accent is too prominent, IMO. Surely, making THAT statement doesn't make a person a racist. Some other stuff has definitely been over the top about Arnel, but to not want someone singing DSB with a foreign accent is not a racist, comment and is NOT inappropriate. It's nothing more than personal taste/preference. Is pretty damn incredible that we'd even have to explain that one to anybody.

[Eric]

It's only 'bitterly disappointing' because you bought into the propaganda that was being tossed around. I didn't, and it wasn't even much of a suprise.

I bought it HARD. It was fun, but it sure as shit STUNG in May. We bought it from JSS, who must be still stinging!

The truth is what they are doing now is what they should have done after Augeri was let go...Let JSS tour, and then take their time in finding a replacement. JSS should have NEVER been announced as the new singer. They should have NEVER talked about recording an album with him. JSS should have always been "the guy who saved the tour." Everybody would have looked a LOT better...Instead they look like a bunch of almost-60 idiots who are grasping at straws to keep their music careers somewhat alive for a few more years. .

Had they never announced that JSS was THE new lead singer and revealed plans, etc. I would not have lost respect for them.

[strangegrey]

Andrew, I would immediately write a rebuttal, explaining the fact you allow opinion, and the expressed opinion on this board does NOT express the viewpoint of the Board owner. Then, go on and explain that Journey themselves are utilizing and manipulating this Board for their own personal gain, and that you have no problem with it. You need to write something asap. Hell, let me do it.

I agree, rebuttals are in order from both MR.com and The(bash)Journey Forums, Andrew and Frank.

Cheapshots taken with a broad brush from afar should be dealt with.

Eh, I dunno....a few comments regarding this. Who the hell should we direct a rebuttal to? I mean, hell...it's just some cheap ass Filipino paper with about as much yank as a 3-pump-chump watching Debbie Does Dallas. Let them print whatever the hell they want....it's not like the story is going to find it's way to the O'Reilly factor or cross Wolf Blitzer's cock stained lips?!!

The minute you send out a rebuttal, you are giving credibility to a jerkwater, third world music paper from a country who's best offering is a band named after an early 90s Mic Fleetwood project, with a pretty good singer backed by a completely, utterly AWFUL band. Sorry, The Zoo wouldn't last 10 minutes on Long Island, musically....they'd get laughed from here to China and back....


So why even give these wankers a single word to give them mojo? Hell, for all we know, that's exactly what they want....for us to validate them!....and we'd be doing Friga and Fro a favor too...since as soon as we validate (more so Andrew than me) this third-world paper....Arnel gets validated by proxy....making Friga and Fro's job of selling this thing...alittle easier.

Frankly, I don't want to make anything any easier on Fucka and Fro. In fact, the only way I would make life easier on Fro-bag.....is if he called up Steve Perry and did the Happy Gilmore Grovel:

"I'm dumb, Your Smart"
"I'm ugly, You're good looking"
"You're great, I'm an idiot!"

etc etc

[Moon Beam]

I don't respect being lied to and that's just what happened.
All the big poopla about new music and a new singer.

Hey Neal if your reading.........
I'll gladly shell out hard earned cash for new music
coming from an oldie but a goodie like the Eagles.

[SteveForever]

I agree Journey is manipulating the fans and this board, I think we are all in for a big surprise.

How is "the band" manipulating this board?

A mole among us?

Andrew, while I myself was pissed at some of the stuff said, this does sound to be a sensational sour grapes write up. I would immediately write a rebuttal, explaining the fact you allow opinion, and the expressed opinion on this board does NOT express the viewpoint of the Board owner. Then, go on and explain that Journey themselves are utilizing and manipulating this Board for their own personal gain, and that you have no problem with it. You need to write something asap. Hell, let me do it.

This is what I was agreeing with above Stone Cold, I think they could be trying to throw us in a different direction by putting out little tidbits about who they are interviewing. I think we'll be surprised at who they really select.

[yak]

The minute you send out a rebuttal, you are giving credibility to a jerkwater, third world music paper from a country who's best offering is a band named after an early 90s Mic Fleetwood project, with a pretty good singer backed by a completely, utterly AWFUL band. Sorry, The Zoo wouldn't last 10 minutes on Long Island, musically....they'd get laughed from here to China and back....


So why even give these wankers a single word to give them mojo? Hell, for all we know, that's exactly what they want....for us to validate them!....and we'd be doing Friga and Fro a favor too...since as soon as we validate (more so Andrew than me) this third-world paper....Arnel gets validated by proxy....making Friga and Fro's job of selling this thing...alittle easier.

Agreed. Good thoughts.

I already stated I think the guy who wrote that trash piece did so to stir up shit.

Ass and Asswipe are milking the crap out of whatever they have left. They don't seem to care about the core fans they've had over the years, who have stood by and wanted new music, and wanted to see a progression of the band. Perry once said the very name Journey meant growing and changing. Yet, they could never muster that change.

They've shown their true colors. Who cares anymore? They'll get what is coming to them. Sooner or later....when their well runs dry. And it will run dry.

I disagree with another poster that the asswipes are manipulating this board. That would take some intelligence.

Soon, the only thing they have left to manipulate will be their zippers.

[Red13JoePa]

Thanks a lot, Frank and Yak.




Shitass time to take the highroad on a dustup.

All the sudden a few well-placed SCUDS are beneath Strangegrey.

[Matthew]

They need to find somebody who can do the job who is not well known that people will give a chance. Not some YouTube guy or tribute band singer. IMO, it's an almost an impossible task.

Monker - I agree with pretty much everything you've said - but I don't get this line at all. Are you saying that You Tube has made Arnel "well-known"? Hardly....

[StoneCold]

I agree Journey is manipulating the fans and this board, I think we are all in for a big surprise.

How is "the band" manipulating this board?

A mole among us?

Andrew, while I myself was pissed at some of the stuff said, this does sound to be a sensational sour grapes write up. I would immediately write a rebuttal, explaining the fact you allow opinion, and the expressed opinion on this board does NOT express the viewpoint of the Board owner. Then, go on and explain that Journey themselves are utilizing and manipulating this Board for their own personal gain, and that you have no problem with it. You need to write something asap. Hell, let me do it.

This is what I was agreeing with above Stone Cold, I think they could be trying to throw us in a different direction by putting out little tidbits about who they are interviewing. I think we'll be surprised at who they really select.

Ok, thanks for the clarification.

[strangegrey]

Thanks a lot, Frank and Yak.




Shitass time to take the highroad on a dustup.

All the sudden a few well-placed SCUDS are beneath Strangegrey.

LOL....listen, I dont care one iotta whether or not I fire back....Andrew's got alot more to lose/gain by an official rebuttal...

I'd be perfectly happy issuing an official statement along the lines of "Fuck you, you jerkwater, third world, dog eating music paper...and your shitty cover bands too....you're shit, you know it....now go back to your day jobs at the call centers, fuckwads!!!"

But something like that might not really come across the way I wanted....or desired!


Plus, if I say something, Wombat's gotta watch his back and issue something....


I dunno...I'll do whatever Andrew wants to do....he's got the lead on this one....

[Arkansas]

They need to find somebody who can do the job who is not well known that people will give a chance. Not some YouTube guy or tribute band singer. IMO, it's an almost an impossible task.

Monker - I agree with pretty much everything you've said - but I don't get this line at all. Are you saying that You Tube has made Arnel "well-known"? Hardly....

I for one think that YouTube sets people up for failure. Fans are already forming opinions about singers they've never seen with Schon & Cain. It's unfair. Yes. However, it's more staining to Journey themselves that they turn to YouTube to get a new singer. Go with an old hat that can still do the job (maybe Chalfant), or find someone that no one knows about. Then we can't make judgements until they get on tour.


later~

[Eric]

I'll gladly shell out hard earned cash for new music coming from an oldie but a goodie like the Eagles.

Uhhg. I heard their new single and it made me fall asleep..WHILE driving.

[Moon Beam]

I'll gladly shell out hard earned cash for new music coming from an oldie but a goodie like the Eagles.

Uhhg. I heard their new single and it made me fall asleep..WHILE driving.

Cool..........sounds like night light music.
Ah well, so it's not to your liking.
I'm hoping to have it for the trip to South Bend.
Thanks for your thoughts, I'll be sure not
to play it while we're driving.

[Rockindeano]

I think we'll be surprised at who they really select.

Who gives a shit on who they select? I am not going to even give the new lineup a listen. It's not like it's a big deal anyway. Oooh, the new singer for Journey! Like anyone gives a shit about Journey any longer?

[SteveForever]

I think we'll be surprised at who they really select.

Who gives a shit on who they select? I am not going to even give the new lineup a listen. It's not like it's a big deal anyway. Oooh, the new singer for Journey! Like anyone gives a shit about Journey any longer?

Whatever.

[styxman]

I think we'll be surprised at who they really select.

Who gives a shit on who they select? I am not going to even give the new lineup a listen. It's not like it's a big deal anyway. Oooh, the new singer for Journey! Like anyone gives a shit about Journey any longer?

Whatever.

How come that avatar of yours stays out during the day, is it a special one

[chf34jmac]

Yours kinda looks like she's licking cum dribble off her cheek there styxie.

[Gordon from Edinburgh]

I think we'll be surprised at who they really select.

Who gives a shit on who they select? I am not going to even give the new lineup a listen. It's not like it's a big deal anyway. Oooh, the new singer for Journey! Like anyone gives a shit about Journey any longer?

I feel that way - but i can't stop coming on here.....has this site become bigger than the band? (To us)