SF-Dano wrote:Andrew wrote:It is amazing...of all the issues, problems, fights and time wasted over the years....90% of it can be traced back to Journey. That's a very sad statement.
I disagree. I think it is the so called "fans" of the band Journey. I can think of many other bands that have gone through multiple personnel changes and musical style changes, that have not had the constant "fan" fighting that Journey has.
It is a shame that this will no longer be the Journey forum (IMO). There still are a few of us fans left. Again, IMO, the trouble comes from "fans" who are really not fans of the current band and have not been fans of this band since the aproximately 1996-97. There seems no letting go of this band for some.
Also, I have never seen a band whos fans need to project their ideas and opinions on the band itself more than these "fans". And when these "opinions" don't come to fruition, they hate the band and need to stick around and let everyone know that they hate the band. From the "Loons", to the "Wigglers", to the "disgruntled ex-employees", to the few real fans (it seems), it never ended. I know JSS was a friend to some on the board. Pesonally, I liked what he brought to the band. But it is not our band, it is their band to do with as they please. We can choose to continue to listen and like, or to dislike and leave. But Journey fans just can't seem to let go for some odd reason. I have read for months now, since the JSS deal went down, how so many people here are done with Journey. Well then be done with Journey. There are other forums on this board, but no, we have to bring down this forum.
And as for the "Legacy" issue, I will just say that there are more than a few bands currently in the ROR hall of fame that have done much worse to their legacy than touring on their past hits and putting on a good show. Not that the ROR hall of fame means much to me personaly, I only mention it because it seemed like a big topic to many on this board. I have gone and will still go to Journey concerts and escape from reality for a couple hours once or twice a year and enjoy the music. As long as the ticket prices are reasonable (they always have been to me, and no I don't need to be up front). When the music doesn't move me anymore I will move on and have the memories. I sure as hell won't be on a forum bashing a band I am supposedly once was a fan of.
Andrew, I am sorry you have lost respect for the members of and the band Journey. But is that not purely because in your perception they wronged a good friend of yours? Is it any worse business wise than the way you were treated by Joe Elliot a year or more ago? As I said I really like what JSS brought to the band. I personaly don't like the way his departure was handled by the band. But I must say, I have heard of and seen much worse dismissals out here in the real world than from what I "heard" went down here. I am not privy to all the inside info that you and Jeff's close friends here are, so maybe there is more to the story. In all honesty, maybe sometimes it is better to not be so close to a situation.
This is your site Andrew, and I have enjoyed reading and participating here for a long time. You can get rid of the Journey forum if you wish, that is your rite. I think it is a shame because it is one of the main reasons I started visiting here and have continued to do so, as I am sure it is for others.
I am sorry for the long rant. Even though I have more to say, I will leave it at that. I am sure I will be blasted and disected as is the nature of the board. That is / was part of the fun though, at least when things weren't so blatantly mean spririted. I have chatted with alot of nice folks here over the years, and I wish you all well. I may continue to lurk from time to time, at this point I am not sure. Up until the last couple months it has been alot of fun overall.
Best wishes for success to you Andrew.
