Has Schon handed over the REIGNS to Cain?

[Matthew]

No, as I see it, JC is the musical director, but Neal is the boss. Everyone follows Neal...trouble is, the direction changes too many times.

I still have a hard time believing that Neal actually wanted Jeff out of the band...I think it was mostly Jon and Neal reluctantly went along with it? Who knows...but Neal sure has been inconsistent on many occassions....he can talk the talk...BUT he changes his mind like the fuckin' wind changes directions.

Apart from the decisions about JSS....how has Schon been inconsistent? Journey didn't change lead singers for twenty years and it was another eight years before they changed it again and that was only because Augeri lost his voice.

It seems to me that if anything Schon hasn't changed direction enough...which until recently was what most fans here were complaining about.

3 singers in a 12 month time span is a lot. Augeri out, Jeff in for 11 months and the TBA singer.

Sure..that statement works..as long as you screen out the other 32 years of the band's history. The only other indecisiveness about lead singers was back in 1977 with Fleischmann. Other than that Schon has been as steady and consistent as a rock.


Anyway...Rainbow once changed singers three times in 18 months..and they produced great music throughout. It doesn't have to be a big drama. Of course in Journey's case it was actually decisiveness which cost them...with the sacking of Perry.

[Saint John]

Jeff in, Jeff out...Jeremey in, Jeremey out...now Arnel?????? Journey should look at Queen and how they replaced Mercury with a MAJOR player. Unless they do the same, they'll continue to flop around like they have been for the last 10 years. It's really Perry or bust at this point.

[Matthew]

Jeff in, Jeff out...Jeremey in, Jeremey out...now Arnel?????? Journey should look at Queen and how they replaced Mercury with a MAJOR player. Unless they do the same, they'll continue to flop around like they have been for the last 10 years. It's really Perry or bust at this point.

I thought you wanted Jeremy to get the job, Saint John.

Anyway...it won't be bust for Journey...as you say, they'll carry on much as they have done since '98. Playing the old hits...doing it nowhere near as well as they used to but doing it competantly and professionally enough nonetheless...and making a decent income from touring. The changes of the replacement singers doesn't alter this one bit. It's business as usual with Augeri or JSS or Arnel or Jeremy or whoever else they decide to hire.

The sad part of all this is that Schon and Cain have lost interest in song-writing it seems. But again...its unrealistic to expect them to still be feeling the old fire at their age.

[Red13JoePa]

Neal is the boss. trouble is, the direction changes too many times.

Yep, I love Neal but the sticktoitiveness could use some amping up.

[Matthew]

Neal is the boss. trouble is, the direction changes too many times.

Yep, I love Neal but the sticktoitiveness could use some amping up.

The guy has changed his mind twice in thirty years. God..I'd love to know how many times we have all flapped over a decision in our careers in that time....


I wonder if this will enter the pantheon of Journey myths...along with the one about Cain turning Journey into a pop band...and ROR being a Perry solo album...and Augeri being humble...and JSS making Journey hip and relevant amongst the yioung kids of America...and all the other balderdash that gets regularly trotted out.

[Red13JoePa]

Dude, he's flopped on a lot of things, loving the albums when they come out and then monday morning quaterback bashing them after some bad reviews (happened w/ ROR, TBF, Arrival, Red13 and Gens) , and he's the BIGGEST promiser of releases that never come to fruition.

[TigerBite]

Can you spell SELF-DESTRUCT?

[Matthew]

Dude, he's flopped on a lot of things, loving the albums when they come out and then monday morning quaterback bashing them after some bad reviews (happened w/ ROR, TBF, Arrival, Red13 and Gens) , and he's the BIGGEST promiser of releases that never come to fruition.

Sure, Red - he talks shit the entire time - but in terms of his actions Journey have largely been almost ploddingly steady and professional since they started out in the mid-70s. The fact is...they've been going for so long..that its inevitable that mistakes and crisis occur. But how many of these mistakes came from indecision? I'd say very, very few.

Take 32 years in any of our lives and it'll be easy to find a load of fuck-ups - but somehow we expect almost spiritual perfection from these people.

[Red13JoePa]

Somewhat true, but is it wrong for me to want the Warfield and Dallas dvds that Neal threatened to release and then apparently (thus far) renegged on?

The second blues album he promised? His solo best-of? The soundboard recordings of concerts for sale right after the shows? There are many sundry other things too, TNC has the promised releases we're still waiting on catalogued.

[larryfromnextdoor]

Somewhat true, but is it wrong for me to want the Warfield and Dallas dvds that Neal threatened to release and then apparently (thus far) renegged on?

The second blues album he promised? His solo best-of? The soundboard recordings of concerts for sale right after the shows? There are many sundry other things too, TNC has the promised releases we're still waiting on catalogued.

to update his web site, online guitar lessons...

[stevew2]

Dude, he's flopped on a lot of things, loving the albums when they come out and then monday morning quaterback bashing them after some bad reviews (happened w/ ROR, TBF, Arrival, Red13 and Gens) , and he's the BIGGEST promiser of releases that never come to fruition.

Sure, Red - he talks shit the entire time - but in terms of his actions Journey have largely been almost ploddingly steady and professional since they started out in the mid-70s. The fact is...they've been going for so long..that its inevitable that mistakes and crisis occur. But how many of these mistakes came from indecision? I'd say very, very few.

Take 32 years in any of our lives and it'll be easy to find a load of fuck-ups - but somehow we expect almost spiritual perfection from these people.

Mat are you smokin weed? be honest

[Matthew]

Dude, he's flopped on a lot of things, loving the albums when they come out and then monday morning quaterback bashing them after some bad reviews (happened w/ ROR, TBF, Arrival, Red13 and Gens) , and he's the BIGGEST promiser of releases that never come to fruition.

Sure, Red - he talks shit the entire time - but in terms of his actions Journey have largely been almost ploddingly steady and professional since they started out in the mid-70s. The fact is...they've been going for so long..that its inevitable that mistakes and crisis occur. But how many of these mistakes came from indecision? I'd say very, very few.

Take 32 years in any of our lives and it'll be easy to find a load of fuck-ups - but somehow we expect almost spiritual perfection from these people.

Mat are you smokin weed? be honest

No - I'm clean and serene, Stevew2.

[stevew2]

l like that one. Other than quiting Santana and starting Journey.Neal hasnt planned or plotted anything.Their success is attriubuted to Herbie,like what Steve P said at the WOF ceremony, and Steve P and Frigas song writing.Before Herbie they would pile their shit in an old camper.Neal is a great guitar player but is mentally 16 years old. All his side projects flopped. They dont have a Lead singer now because of what you said"terms of his actions" .They are not professional anymore.We will need an interpreter at the next circus

[Red13JoePa]

"Other than starting Journey Neal has plotted nothing."

[chf34jmac]

You're wrong Red. Neal plots new ways to fuck up each and every marriage.

[Matthew]

l like that one. Other than quiting Santana and starting Journey.Neal hasnt planned or plotted anything.Their success is attriubuted to Herbie,like what Steve P said at the WOF ceremony, and Steve P and Frigas song writing.Before Herbie they would pile their shit in an old camper.Neal is a great guitar player but is mentally 16 years old. All his side projects flopped. They dont have a Lead singer now because of what you said"terms of his actions" .They are not professional anymore.We will need an interpreter at the next circus

Wow...this is EXACTLY like those posts I used to read diminishing Perry's contributions to the band. I never thought I'd read this revisionist nonsense about Schon...at least not on this site.

There are a whole bunch of people here who either need to get a grip or fuck off pronto to the JSS forum, I reckon. Schon has been responsible for some of the greatest music ever made and has slogged his guts out for Journey since the mid-70s. To attack him this relentlessly and viciously for firing a guy who was in the band for 11 months and who recorded and wrote absolutely nothing for the band...well, it's a total joke. And above all its boring beyond belief now.

Schon made a mistake. Fine. But there's no need to write off the guy's entire personality and career....

[stevew2]

What personality ?

[NoMoreTails]

Before Herbie they would pile their shit in an old camper.

There was no "before Herbie" and it was a station wagon.

All his side projects flopped.

Though not hugely successly commercially, and they may not suit everyone's taste, but his playing on his side projects has been awesome. If I could only have Journey's catalog or all of Neal's solo/other band stuff, I just might take the later.

[Matthew]

What personality ?

His guitar playing has plenty of personality. How he behaves off stage is completely irrelevant and none our business anyway.

[stevew2]

His behavior and Friga"s is why we are not seeing Journey perform this year. That is our business,and theirs

[Matthew]

His behavior and Friga"s is why we are not seeing Journey perform this year. That is our business,and theirs

Journey decided to take the year off even when JSS was in the band....

[Matthew]

Before Herbie they would pile their shit in an old camper.

There was no "before Herbie" and it was a station wagon.

All his side projects flopped.

Though not hugely successly commercially, and they may not suit everyone's taste, but his playing on his side projects has been awesome. If I could only have Journey's catalog or all of Neal's solo/other band stuff, I just might take the later.

Hang on...I seem to be on the same side as NMT in this argument. This is too weird...

[Red13JoePa]

l like that one. Other than quiting Santana and starting Journey.Neal hasnt planned or plotted anything.

Wow...this is EXACTLY like those posts I used to read diminishing Perry's contributions to the band. I never thought I'd read this revisionist nonsense about Schon...at least not on this site.

LOL. Yea, other than invent the goddam phone, what did Alexander Grahm Bell really do?

[stevew2]

They should have done it in 2004

[Matthew]

l like that one. Other than quiting Santana and starting Journey.Neal hasnt planned or plotted anything.

Wow...this is EXACTLY like those posts I used to read diminishing Perry's contributions to the band. I never thought I'd read this revisionist nonsense about Schon...at least not on this site.

LOL. Yea, other than invent the goddam phone, what did Alexander Grahm Bell really do?

[stevew2]

Before Herbie they would pile their shit in an old camper.

There was no "before Herbie" and it was a station wagon.

All his side projects flopped.

Though not hugely successly commercially, and they may not suit everyone's taste, but his playing on his side projects has been awesome. If I could only have Journey's catalog or all of Neal's solo/other band stuff, I just might take the later.

Hang on...I seem to be on the same side as NMT in this argument. This is too weird...

They later had and old Winnabago they had to push into town once,I meant when Herbie took control nand hired Perry

[NoMoreTails]

If I could only have Journey's catalog or all of Neal's solo/other band stuff, I just might take the later.

Hang on...I seem to be on the same side as NMT in this argument. This is too weird...

Agreeing again

Agreeing with my last sentence, so you're more of a Schon fan than a Perry fan?

[Red13JoePa]

It's just absolutely comedic that these days not only are we finding out that Schon may have been on the Grassy Knoll firing at Kennedy with his fro spraypainted green to look like brush but that in fact, Cain was present actually hammering nails on a hill outside Jerusalem the second Friday of April in 33 AD.

[CatEyes]

It's just absolutely comedic that these days not only are we finding out that Schon may have been on the Grassy Knoll firing at Kennedy with his fro spraypainted green to look like brush ......

might be better than that maroon tint it has sometimes

wow since Perry has been accused of the same thing, maybe that is where they met, and Herbie did not have as much to do with it as he claims

Cat

[Sassie]

Wow I learn so much here.