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Postby Rockindeano » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:19 am

(Crazy)Dulce Lady wrote:
stevew2 wrote:So pretty much,Jon and Neal were setting on the asses{like they are now] Steve A.wanted to write, got a few songs started,Soul Sircus faded out ,Jon had a wild hair,Neal jumped on the wagon at the end,and there was "Generations" other then Dean on two songs, No one else but Steve should have sang on the CD. "Gone Crazy "was a fucking joke,as well as most of it.They would have problablly done the same with Jeff.Let him write a song or two,then just take control and fuck the rest of the CD.Faith In the Heartland was good,I think Fag Fringa wrote that though,gay guys are really creative,rear end crazies bring out the best of some boys


I'm don't get that... I love GONE CRAZY.

maybe cuz I'm .......CRAZY. and ROSS ROCKS!!

oh well. JMHO


Debbie, love you, BUT...

Gone Crazy is the worst song ever written and published and Ross hardly rocks. He needs grout smeared into his ditch like face and then have some smooth concrete troweled over the pot holes. Dude has wrinkles that could hold a three day rain.
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Fri Sep 14, 2007 8:58 pm

Rockindeano wrote:Gone Crazy is the worst song ever written and published

+1000.

I'm sorry, World Play eats Generations for lunch.
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Postby NealIsGod » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:01 pm

JrnySuxBalls wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:Gone Crazy is the worst song ever written and published

+1000.

I'm sorry, World Play eats Generations for lunch.


Not to my ears. WP has grown on me, but I liked Gens on the first listen.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:49 pm

Gens is more immediate than WP.

Both are absolutely amazing but even though I instantly like a lot of the music it took a good 5 spins to start really figuring some of the more challenging subtle World Play tracks out.
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Postby FormerJrnyFan » Fri Sep 14, 2007 11:49 pm

JrnySuxBalls wrote:+1000.

I'm sorry, World Play eats Generations for lunch.
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Postby Matthew » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:02 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
nikkib703 wrote:
ohsherrie wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:
....................................... I wonder if perhaps the fear that JSS would be "too" assertive in the group creative process and too insistant in his ideas being used along with his chemistry working with Schon were too much of a threat. Perhaps this is more to the point than the "different direction sonically" remark.................



That's what I've thought it was really all about ever since we heard they'd dumped Jeff.


If so, that's a piss-poor reason to fire someone.


I'm not saying I agree with the reason if this is it, certainly. But I think it adds up much more than the being jealous of JSS getting the spotlight theory. On the other hand, maybe they're not concerned abou the creative process at all and are content to tour and record no more. They certainly wouldn't tell the fans that they're letting JSS go because he insists on recording new material and 'we just want to continue to tour greatest hits to death and aren't interested in doing any new music.'



I don't quite buy the 'jealous of the spotlight' theory either - but the clash of agendas definitely rings true to me.
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Postby Matthew » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:03 am

FormerJrnyFan wrote:
JrnySuxBalls wrote:+1000.

I'm sorry, World Play eats Generations for lunch.
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What's World Play?
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:06 am

Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto
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Postby Matthew » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:09 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto



I keep meaning to, Red. I've seen a few tracks on You Tube and there's one which is especially good...sounds a bit like Kashmir....
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Postby Deb » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:28 am

Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto



I keep meaning to, Red. I've seen a few tracks on You Tube and there's one which is especially good...sounds a bit like Kashmir....


You should Matt. You won't find anything closer to Perry sounding Journey than that song Coming Home, IMO. I was quite surprised, didn't know if I would like it, I thought it was going to be too heavy for me, but it's got quite a good mix. I really like it! LOL, was blaring that little funky number "James Brown" on the way to work the other day, :lol: just puts a bigass smile on your face. :mrgreen:
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:48 am

Deb wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto



I keep meaning to, Red. I've seen a few tracks on You Tube and there's one which is especially good...sounds a bit like Kashmir....


You won't find anything closer to Perry sounding Journey than that song Coming Home, IMO.


Except for Remember Me, Higher Place, We Will Meet Again, To Be Alive Again, The Place In Your Heart.....

James Brown is a phenomenal little tune.
"I love almost everybody."---Rocky Balboa 1990
"Let's reform this thing.Let's go out and get some guys who want to work and go do it"--Neal Schon February, 2001
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Postby Deb » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:55 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Deb wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto



I keep meaning to, Red. I've seen a few tracks on You Tube and there's one which is especially good...sounds a bit like Kashmir....


You won't find anything closer to Perry sounding Journey than that song Coming Home, IMO.


Except for Remember Me, Higher Place, We Will Meet Again, To Be Alive Again, The Place In Your Heart.....

James Brown is a phenomenal little tune.


Sorry Red, I was talking more about JSS' delivery of Coming Home, very Perryesque. I'm not familiar with all the Augueri era songs, but definately agree with TPIYH and Higher Place being very "classic Journey" sounding.
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Postby NoMoreTails » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:40 am

Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto



I keep meaning to, Red. I've seen a few tracks on You Tube and there's one which is especially good...sounds a bit like Kashmir....


Probably "Another World" check this out for samples:
www.soulsirkus.com/music.html
Don't delay getting this anylonger, I was ready for Neal to retire Journey after hearing this stuff, the band was unbelievable live. Marco and Virgil were outstanding as well as Neal and JSS. Virgil is the most amazing drummer I've seen live. After hearing SS I thought Journey needed a good dose of that kind of engergy...
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Postby Tyra-J » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:13 am

NoMoreTails wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto



I keep meaning to, Red. I've seen a few tracks on You Tube and there's one which is especially good...sounds a bit like Kashmir....


Probably "Another World" check this out for samples:
www.soulsirkus.com/music.html
Don't delay getting this anylonger, I was ready for Neal to retire Journey after hearing this stuff, the band was unbelievable live. Marco and Virgil were outstanding as well as Neal and JSS. Virgil is the most amazing drummer I've seen live. After hearing SS I thought Journey needed a good dose of that kind of engergy...


Also SS audio & video on Jeff's site:
Audio: http://jeffscottsoto.com/home/page9/page9.html
Video: http://jeffscottsoto.com/home/page22/pa ... otherworld
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Postby tj » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:58 am

Several thoughts:

1. No one in the band can call JSS because they management has them legally tied up and is keeping them from doing so. Sounds crazy, but fear of a litigation is a huge motivator for most management teams. Better to say nothing at all, not even I'm sorry, than to open up issues which could work against you in court.

2. Seeing the soundcheck in Tampa link in YouTube last night (never saw Journey with JSS), JSS was the only one showing any energy. Granted, it was only a soundcheck, but in seeing other clips on YouTube of live shows, JSS (and Deen - because drumming requires energy) was the only one on stage showing any excitement in what they were doing.

JSS would quickly become the focal point of fan's interest because he was interested in the fans. At one point not long after JSS joined Journey, the Journey Website posted a news update with a big picture and link to JSS personal website. At the time, I thought, "that's interesting", because I had been a frequent visitor to the site and never seen any of the other guys SA, NS, JC, RV or DC have that kind of self promotion on the Journey site. (Not saying that it was bad, inappropriate or that I disagreed with JSS having the information there).

A short time later, the picture was gone and only a small reference to his updated site was left. It was like the other guys had looked at this and said, "wait - this site is about the band - no one is bigger than the band". From there, they finished out the tour and JSS gets booted. They kept him to finish the tour, but I think the decision to dump him was made shortly after his website was update.

3. Augeri's comments earlier in this thread seem to me like he was never a part of the band - he was a hired gun who works for JC and NS as long as it works for them. His voice went out and he was gone. I think Ross and Deen are the same way. As long as they are useful, keep their mouths shut and go along, they keep their jobs. Get out of line and there are thousands of bass players and drummers world over who can play every Journey lick.

4. Finally - all of this reminds me of a corporation, which Journey the entity is. It's all about the money. Perhaps 30+ years ago it was about the music, but even then, the band played gigs and made records for the money. As the corporation grew, so did the money. Yes, the music was great and still is, but as for the nostalgic "the guys in the band are brothers", I think that's a load of crap.

The interviews and seeing how people have been treated over the years with this group show that it is just like the multinational corporation I work for. Fleischman was dumped because Perry was a much more marketable product long term. As long as it furthers the goal of making money, we will keep you around. If we think we can make more money with someone else or by going a different direction, you're gone. No explanation, no thanks. Just box your stuff and go. We can't say anymore because our attorneys told us not to.

Whatever the reasons, and we will never know completely, it doesn't change the music. It doesn't make what happened to JSS any better. He seems to be taking the high road is classy guy for it.
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Postby stevew2 » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:10 am

You pretty much hit the nail on the head
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Postby Red13JoePa » Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:47 am

NoMoreTails wrote: After hearing SS I thought Journey needed a good dose of that kind of engergy...


I remember when it came out, you were definatley one of the first who got it and to be all in.
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Postby Abitaman » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:38 pm

Red13JoePa wrote:
Deb wrote:
Matthew wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Soul SirkUs' debut.

You oughta grab it, Matto



I keep meaning to, Red. I've seen a few tracks on You Tube and there's one which is especially good...sounds a bit like Kashmir....


You won't find anything closer to Perry sounding Journey than that song Coming Home, IMO.


Except for Remember Me, Higher Place, We Will Meet Again, To Be Alive Again, The Place In Your Heart.....
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Couldn't agree more-ERIC
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Postby Rick » Sat Sep 15, 2007 12:38 pm

tj wrote:Several thoughts:

1. No one in the band can call JSS because they management has them legally tied up and is keeping them from doing so. Sounds crazy, but fear of a litigation is a huge motivator for most management teams. Better to say nothing at all, not even I'm sorry, than to open up issues which could work against you in court.

2. Seeing the soundcheck in Tampa link in YouTube last night (never saw Journey with JSS), JSS was the only one showing any energy. Granted, it was only a soundcheck, but in seeing other clips on YouTube of live shows, JSS (and Deen - because drumming requires energy) was the only one on stage showing any excitement in what they were doing.

JSS would quickly become the focal point of fan's interest because he was interested in the fans. At one point not long after JSS joined Journey, the Journey Website posted a news update with a big picture and link to JSS personal website. At the time, I thought, "that's interesting", because I had been a frequent visitor to the site and never seen any of the other guys SA, NS, JC, RV or DC have that kind of self promotion on the Journey site. (Not saying that it was bad, inappropriate or that I disagreed with JSS having the information there).

A short time later, the picture was gone and only a small reference to his updated site was left. It was like the other guys had looked at this and said, "wait - this site is about the band - no one is bigger than the band". From there, they finished out the tour and JSS gets booted. They kept him to finish the tour, but I think the decision to dump him was made shortly after his website was update.

3. Augeri's comments earlier in this thread seem to me like he was never a part of the band - he was a hired gun who works for JC and NS as long as it works for them. His voice went out and he was gone. I think Ross and Deen are the same way. As long as they are useful, keep their mouths shut and go along, they keep their jobs. Get out of line and there are thousands of bass players and drummers world over who can play every Journey lick.

4. Finally - all of this reminds me of a corporation, which Journey the entity is. It's all about the money. Perhaps 30+ years ago it was about the music, but even then, the band played gigs and made records for the money. As the corporation grew, so did the money. Yes, the music was great and still is, but as for the nostalgic "the guys in the band are brothers", I think that's a load of crap.

The interviews and seeing how people have been treated over the years with this group show that it is just like the multinational corporation I work for. Fleischman was dumped because Perry was a much more marketable product long term. As long as it furthers the goal of making money, we will keep you around. If we think we can make more money with someone else or by going a different direction, you're gone. No explanation, no thanks. Just box your stuff and go. We can't say anymore because our attorneys told us not to.

Whatever the reasons, and we will never know completely, it doesn't change the music. It doesn't make what happened to JSS any better. He seems to be taking the high road is classy guy for it.


Excellent post.
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Postby Monker » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:23 pm

tj wrote:Fleischman was dumped because Perry was a much more marketable product long term. As long as it furthers the goal of making money, we will keep you around. If we think we can make more money with someone else or by going a different direction, you're gone. No explanation, no thanks. Just box your stuff and go. We can't say anymore because our attorneys told us not to.


I agree with everything you say up until this point.

Fleischman was out because Herbie wanted him out. Perry's demo made the axe fall...that is true. But, it seems to me that Herbie knew that Fleischman was not the right guy for the job BEFORE he heard Perry's tape....although, there ARE a lot of similarities between the two situations.

I think the attitude you describe really started with ROR and firing Smith and Valory. They were no longer a BAND making music...and the music following the talents within the band. The demands of Perry and how he wanted the music to sound, be written, and recorded, forced the two out...or be fired, whatever. That opened the door for everything that has followed, Perry's firing, Augeri's, and JSS.
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Postby JrnySuxBalls » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:14 pm

NoMoreTails wrote:I was ready for Neal to retire Journey after hearing this stuff, the band was unbelievable live. Marco and Virgil were outstanding as well as Neal and JSS. Virgil is the most amazing drummer I've seen live. After hearing SS I thought Journey needed a good dose of that kind of engergy...

Boy, you got that right! 8)
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Postby larryfromnextdoor » Sun Sep 16, 2007 1:14 am

:shock: so there is a version of WE ALL DIE YOUNG with jss singing?? how could we get that ?
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Postby tj » Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:03 am

Monker wrote:
tj wrote:Fleischman was dumped because Perry was a much more marketable product long term. As long as it furthers the goal of making money, we will keep you around. If we think we can make more money with someone else or by going a different direction, you're gone. No explanation, no thanks. Just box your stuff and go. We can't say anymore because our attorneys told us not to.


I agree with everything you say up until this point.

Fleischman was out because Herbie wanted him out. Perry's demo made the axe fall...that is true. But, it seems to me that Herbie knew that Fleischman was not the right guy for the job BEFORE he heard Perry's tape....although, there ARE a lot of similarities between the two situations.

I think the attitude you describe really started with ROR and firing Smith and Valory. They were no longer a BAND making music...and the music following the talents within the band. The demands of Perry and how he wanted the music to sound, be written, and recorded, forced the two out...or be fired, whatever. That opened the door for everything that has followed, Perry's firing, Augeri's, and JSS.


From what I recall, I think you are right on the Fleischman/Perry timing. But I think that even Herbie wanting Fleishman out was a business decision, they would be more marketable with a different vocalist. Also agree on the ROR point, but wonder if they were ever really a BAND, with all of the comments about Perry not talking with people on tour, etc. (with good reason - to preserve his voice).
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