Congratulations Arnel Pineda!!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Hey Grey,

I agree with you and see your point. My comment was too anyone that was being a racist when Arnel was first being considered and had made it obvious. I really dont remember any specifics but I can tell you that I dislike racism with a passion. Nothing sickens me more than racism and intentional deception.

I'll be the first to state that I have serious issues with the idea of an asian fronting Journey. It's not racist. Journey has a certain image and that image isn't really supported with an asian singer. That's not racist.

I can't believe how incredibly stupid this is. I wish I could say that it's ignorant because ignorance can be fixed. Sadly, it's just plain stupid and stupid can't be fixed.

To say that you do NOT have an issue with the idea of an Asian singer and then say that that statement is NOT racist is just stupid.

Now you want to "veil" your racism/stupidity with "it's all about an image".



Even in this lame attempt more stupidity pours forth. If it's about IMAGE then it's also about RACE. You're trying to separate the two when in fact they're one in the same.

This may actually be beyond stupid.

[donnaplease]

I can't believe how incredibly stupid this is. I wish I could say that it's ignorant because ignorance can be fixed. Sadly, it's just plain stupid and stupid can't be fixed.

To say that you do NOT have an issue with the idea of an Asian singer and then say that that statement is NOT racist is just stupid.

Now you want to "veil" your racism/stupidity with "it's all about an image".



Even in this lame attempt more stupidity pours forth. If it's about IMAGE then it's also about RACE. You're trying to separate the two when in fact they're one in the same.

This may actually be beyond stupid.

Hmmm.... I believe I just read this some place:

Way to go! Way to stick it to MR.com and the Bash JOURNEY Forum! I've participated at both forums but have turned away from them precisely because of this garbage.

My garbage can runneth over and I've moved on to a higher place.

Why the hell are you here? You're not here to talk about Journey, or any other band. You do nothing but argue, criticize, bitch and moan. You have a helluva lot of nerve going to other sites and trashing this place and then coming here thinking your words deserve any kind of respect. In the words of Steve Perry... Go Away.

[T-Bone]

I agree with Fyre... It doesn't matter what frickin RACE or HERITAGE anyone in the band is or isn't. It's about the music they do and each of their abilities. When listening to Randy Jackson play bass when he was in Journey, did you possibly think to yourself that, "This guy sounds different... he must be BLACK!"? When you close your eyes and hear the music, can you pick out each of the members religion or sexual orientation as well? You're judging the guy on his personal looks, culture and race and hiding it behind the "Doesn't fit their image" statement. As someone else stated here... "People from Brooklyn have accents too". Would they also not fit the "Image"? If the band chose someone that was born in Alabama and had a slight southern twang to their voice, would you still complain and say that he doesn't fit the "Image"? As Fyre said... It's just a veil. It's something to cover what your true feelings, that you don't want to say because it may make you look bad. Fuck... If Corey Glover auditioned and had the sound they were looking for and a voice that possibly resembled Perry's (Glover has a hell of a voice on his own), would you still bring up the "Image" defense? He's from Brooklyn as well so you definately couldn't use the "American Band" defense....

I have an idea.... How about we wait and see what the band has to say for an OFFICIAL statement and judge the guy on his ABILITY

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I can't believe how incredibly stupid this is. I wish I could say that it's ignorant because ignorance can be fixed. Sadly, it's just plain stupid and stupid can't be fixed.

To say that you do NOT have an issue with the idea of an Asian singer and then say that that statement is NOT racist is just stupid.

Now you want to "veil" your racism/stupidity with "it's all about an image".



Even in this lame attempt more stupidity pours forth. If it's about IMAGE then it's also about RACE. You're trying to separate the two when in fact they're one in the same.

This may actually be beyond stupid.

Hmmm.... I believe I just read this some place:

Way to go! Way to stick it to MR.com and the Bash JOURNEY Forum! I've participated at both forums but have turned away from them precisely because of this garbage.

My garbage can runneth over and I've moved on to a higher place.

Why the hell are you here? You're not here to talk about Journey, or any other band. You do nothing but argue, criticize, bitch and moan. You have a helluva lot of nerve going to other sites and trashing this place and then coming here thinking your words deserve any kind of respect. In the words of Steve Perry... Go Away.

Yeah. I'm the one who runs a BASH Journey Forum and has absolutely NOTHING but crap to spew in literally every single post.

What you've just said tops Grey's stupidity. And in record time, too!

I've got nerve? Nah. I've got an OPINION just like everyone else. And your opinion that somehow I've trashed MR.com couldn't be any further from the truth.

[ohsherrie]

Let me ask you this Fyre. If a movie was being made about the life of Janis Joplin who do you think would be the best choice to play the part; Joss Stone, Jennifer Lopez, or Queen Latifah?

That's all it really comes down to. It's not about race, it's about casting the best man for the part.

[strangegrey]

Now you want to "veil" your racism/stupidity with "it's all about an image".

Hey douchebag....listen up. Carefully. Don't call me a racist. Ever!

You're just another fuckwad in a long list of them that are using a very incendiary word with serious consequences here without a pubic hair of knowledge of who I am or what I do or the other people you've tried to blanket with such disgraceful labels.

How fucking dare you even call breathe that word in my direction! Do you even know me? Do you UNDERSTAND my reasons for saying what I said? better yet, DID YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND what I wrote? You dont. And you're a stupid fuck for even trying to retort that you do....because you dont know me, you DONT understand and you DON'T care about anything except your self serving bullshit acusations.

Do you feel better now that you've called someone a racist?

Do you!???!?


Becuase all you've served with this is...yourself.


I prefered your windbag, phoenix, latin horsecrap to anything you've said in this thread!

[journeywoman]

Sherrie!By golly you got it!

[strangegrey]

He doesn't get it, folks.

He doesn't understand that image plays a HUGE part in the entertainment business. It's a hard sell for Journey to push an asian singer out front. Maybe they don't care enough about their american fans anymore...they've proven that a good bit already.

In fact, St John may have really touched upon the motive....they might see a market in Asia and might as well turn their back on the US because it's not working out for them.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Let me ask you this Fyre. If a movie was being made about the life of Janis Joplin who do you think would be the best choice to play the part; Joss Stone, Jennifer Lopez, or Queen Latifah?

That's all it really comes down to. It's not about race, it's about casting the best man for the part.

That's not at all in line!

In your example the idea is to recreate the CHARACTER of Janis Joplin. Of course, you're not going to cast Queen Latifah. You're also not going to cast Woody Allen in the biography of Arnold Schwarzenegger!

Come on!

There's a CLEAR difference between casting the "right" actor for a CHARACTER role and hiring the "right" singer for a band!

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Now you want to "veil" your racism/stupidity with "it's all about an image".

Hey douchebag....listen up. Carefully. Don't call me a racist. Ever!

You're just another fuckwad in a long list of them that are using a very incendiary word with serious consequences here without a pubic hair of knowledge of who I am or what I do or the other people you've tried to blanket with such disgraceful labels.

How fucking dare you even call breathe that word in my direction! Do you even know me? Do you UNDERSTAND my reasons for saying what I said? better yet, DID YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND what I wrote? You dont. And you're a stupid fuck for even trying to retort that you do....because you dont know me, you DONT understand and you DON'T care about anything except your self serving bullshit acusations.

Do you feel better now that you've called someone a racist?

Do you!???!?


Becuase all you've served with this is...yourself.


I prefered your windbag, phoenix, latin horsecrap to anything you've said in this thread!

So you can call me a douchebag but I can't call you a racist despite the fact that what you say is clearly so!

Take your double-standard BS and stuff it you self-appointed NOBODY.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

I agree with Fyre... It doesn't matter what frickin RACE or HERITAGE anyone in the band is or isn't. It's about the music they do and each of their abilities. When listening to Randy Jackson play bass when he was in Journey, did you possibly think to yourself that, "This guy sounds different... he must be BLACK!"? When you close your eyes and hear the music, can you pick out each of the members religion or sexual orientation as well? You're judging the guy on his personal looks, culture and race and hiding it behind the "Doesn't fit their image" statement. As someone else stated here... "People from Brooklyn have accents too". Would they also not fit the "Image"? If the band chose someone that was born in Alabama and had a slight southern twang to their voice, would you still complain and say that he doesn't fit the "Image"? As Fyre said... It's just a veil. It's something to cover what your true feelings, that you don't want to say because it may make you look bad. Fuck... If Corey Glover auditioned and had the sound they were looking for and a voice that possibly resembled Perry's (Glover has a hell of a voice on his own), would you still bring up the "Image" defense? He's from Brooklyn as well so you definately couldn't use the "American Band" defense....

I have an idea.... How about we wait and see what the band has to say for an OFFICIAL statement and judge the guy on his ABILITY

Thanks, T!

Of course, it's about image but NOT a racial image. This is all so ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that the image of JOURNEY is one of DIVERSITY in ethnicities.

[RedWingFan]

I agree with Fyre... It doesn't matter what frickin RACE or HERITAGE anyone in the band is or isn't. It's about the music they do and each of their abilities. When listening to Randy Jackson play bass when he was in Journey, did you possibly think to yourself that, "This guy sounds different... he must be BLACK!"? When you close your eyes and hear the music, can you pick out each of the members religion or sexual orientation as well? You're judging the guy on his personal looks, culture and race and hiding it behind the "Doesn't fit their image" statement. As someone else stated here... "People from Brooklyn have accents too". Would they also not fit the "Image"? If the band chose someone that was born in Alabama and had a slight southern twang to their voice, would you still complain and say that he doesn't fit the "Image"? As Fyre said... It's just a veil. It's something to cover what your true feelings, that you don't want to say because it may make you look bad. Fuck... If Corey Glover auditioned and had the sound they were looking for and a voice that possibly resembled Perry's (Glover has a hell of a voice on his own), would you still bring up the "Image" defense? He's from Brooklyn as well so you definately couldn't use the "American Band" defense....

I have an idea.... How about we wait and see what the band has to say for an OFFICIAL statement and judge the guy on his ABILITY

Thanks, T!

Of course, it's about image but NOT a racial image. This is all so ridiculous. The fact of the matter is that the image of JOURNEY is one of DIVERSITY in ethnicities.

Weren't some protesting Jeff in the band because he didn't look the part?

[ohsherrie]

Sherrie!By golly you got it!

Thanks JW, but I have to say that I think Frank just let the blade of the guillotine drop on Fyre's neck.

It's so easy to cry racism when dealing with a situation where a person of one ethnicity is preferred over one of another when in reality the actual race of the person has nothing at all to do with it. Sometimes in the field of visual entertainment(such as a rock concert) the presentation has a direct impact on the acceptance of the result.

[donnaplease]

Of course, it's about image but NOT a racial image.

EXACTLY!!!! So stop throwing the race card out there!!!

[Moon Beam]

Weren't some protesting Jeff in the band because he didn't look the part?

There were some indeed that did.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Sherrie!By golly you got it!

Thanks JW, but I have to say that I think Frank just let the blade of the guillotine drop on Fyre's neck.

It's so easy to cry racism when dealing with a situation where a person of one ethnicity is preferred over one of another when in reality the actual race of the person has nothing at all to do with it. Sometimes in the field of visual entertainment(such as a rock concert) the presentation has a direct impact on the acceptance of the result.

Preferring one ethnicity over another IS RACIST.

Nobody's crying racism - it's simply being pointed out!

[Saint John]

Sherrie!By golly you got it!

Thanks JW, but I have to say that I think Frank just let the blade of the guillotine drop on Fyre's neck.

It's so easy to cry racism when dealing with a situation where a person of one ethnicity is preferred over one of another when in reality the actual race of the person has nothing at all to do with it. Sometimes in the field of visual entertainment(such as a rock concert) the presentation has a direct impact on the acceptance of the result.

Preferring one ethnicity over another IS RACIST.
Nobody's crying racism - it's simply being pointed out!

No...that's called "choice"...asshole. Thinking one's race is BETTER than another is "racism."

[T-Bone]

Sherrie!By golly you got it!

Thanks JW, but I have to say that I think Frank just let the blade of the guillotine drop on Fyre's neck.

It's so easy to cry racism when dealing with a situation where a person of one ethnicity is preferred over one of another when in reality the actual race of the person has nothing at all to do with it. Sometimes in the field of visual entertainment(such as a rock concert) the presentation has a direct impact on the acceptance of the result.

Sorry ohsherrie, but I disagree when it comes to this. Sure in a few other situations, it's easy for someone of color to scream racism and I've witnessed it myself, but in Journey's case, it's a completely different circumstance.

Can you honestly say "I won't go to another Journey concert because they have an Asian singer" and not make that sound a bit racist or prejudice? I would be willing to bet that if anyone said that to 100 people, at least 95 would agree that it sounds a little "off"

[brywool]

This guys sings the shit better than anyone I have heard besides Perry.

YUP

Can this guy write is the question we should all be concerned about because we know he can sing the material.

Last but not least, if you are a racist you can fuck off. This guy has an accent.. Well so do people from Brooklyn. Get the fuck over it. This guy is going to own these songs with a little work. Jeff did a great job but most of us know it was just not the right voice for this material. Yes Jeff owned the stage and did a wonderful job but I have to agree with Neal and Jon about this one. Yes, they did a fucked up thing by letting him go like that but do we really know what the fuck is going on ? Most of the shit is just speculation. Hell, for all we know Jeff could have banged Jon's wife ! Jeff already made an album with the part of Journey that counts anyway....

Its about feel folks and this guy has the right feel for their classics. Can he write and can his voice stand up to touring ? That is all I care about because some new material with a true high tenor could be interesting for sure and motivate Cain and Schon to write songs like they used to.

We will see wont we ?

I totally agree with these parts of the post. I wouldn't wish this gig on anybody, but I think this guy can do it, at least the old stuff. As for writing, I have my doubts. Tough to write in in English if it's your second language. That's not a racist comment, that's a fact. We'll see. I still won't go to see the band because of the last few years and I won't put money in Journey's pocket. It will be interesting to see what happens. I think that they've picked the best voice for the job. JSS, while a great singer, a great guy, great frontman, etc. did NOT sound like Journey. It WOULD have been interesting to see the direction that the band would've gone in, but it was not going to work for the main catalog. It will be interesting to see how the new guy's treated. Good luck.

I've been off of the board for a bit, wasn't Jeremy the kat that was going to be the singer? What happened with that?

[Aaron]

And, hopefully more importantly, because he didn't sound the part ....

Weren't some protesting Jeff in the band because he didn't look the part?

There were some indeed that did.

[strangegrey]

Can you honestly say "I won't go to another Journey concert because they have an Asian singer" and not make that sound a bit racist or prejudice? I would be willing to bet that if anyone said that to 100 people, at least 95 would agree that it sounds a little "off"

Sorry, T-bone. I think you're wrong here.

No one is saying they're not going to go because there's an asian on the mic. I think the other factors surrounding Journey over the past few years is what will prevent people from showing up, dont you think?

Some of us are questioning the choice, thats it....I personally think it's a marketing blunder. The fact of matter is that the entertainment business is 99% image. If you don't agree with me, turn on MTV for 5 minutes.


What I do take serious exception with is the ease with which the racist word is thrown around here so that one can falsly gain higher ground in a conversation. To call someone racist is scathing enough.

To call someone racist, while trying to prove a point is not only wrong...it's flat out cowardly.

[strangegrey]

Preferring one ethnicity over another IS RACIST.

Nobody's crying racism - it's simply being pointed out!

Bullshit, you asshole! You're trying to invalidate others and at the same time, validate yourself by throwing acusations of racism at people.

[Saint John]

Preferring one ethnicity over another IS RACIST.

Nobody's crying racism - it's simply being pointed out!

Bullshit, you asshole! You're trying to invalidate others and at the same time, validate yourself by throwing acusations of racism at people.

Read up a few posts Frank.

[journeywoman]

Ya know maybe this argument would have just been over with along time ago if Steve Perry had of just patented his sound on all those songs then maybe we wouldn't have so many imitators or in my neck of the woods we call them wannabees.So therefore there wouldn't be an any disagreements or for that matter Journey searching for one.And most important Neal and Cain advertising Journey with Steve Perry fronting the band as if he was still there.Sounds kinda like false advertisement to me.How about you?And no I am not throwing off on Jeremy,least his band is Frontiers,not Journey2.

[strangegrey]

Read up a few posts Frank.

Oh duh! I guess I'm slow on the uptake tonight...

[T-Bone]

Maybe it will be and maybe it won't... but sitting here debating the guy when we don't even know for sure if he's in or not is kinda dumb, especially when his heritage and race continue to come up. I think the guy is a great vocalist. Will he do the band justice... we'll have to wait and see. Will he fit in with the bands "look"? That's too subjective and we all can argue until we're blue in the face, no no one is right or wrong as image is what one percieves it to be.

It only takes one little message or post to set the internet on fire with rumors and look what it did here. A newbie poster has us all in a shitfest over NO PROOF. Everyone go outside for a while and take your case of beer with you

JSS didn't look or sing like Perry but I think he could have definately took the band in a new direction and won over alot of new fans OTHER than what he did in the time he was singing for them. I didn't see anyone screaming about image or his heritage back then either... Personally, I think the band would have held JSS back because of what the Journey fans expect from the band. Sure he had a sound that could gain new ones, but also may have lost some of the diehards who still think Perry is hiding out in the Journey studio waiting to jump out and suprise them. JSS has many more opportunities and many directions he could go now WITHOUT the short guy trying to micro-manage the trip.

No matter what anyone's intentions are here, when race and heritage come into the argument, for or against, it'll always look or seem racist to many people. I just don't see his background as ANY sort of competition for his ability.

[T-Bone]

I'm going to put a hold on this thread until an OFFICIAL Announcement is made. This argument for and against is only going to go downhill. Eyes are upon us, and Andrew doesn't need ANY shit right now. His plate is overflowing as it is...

Let's quit with the Arnel arguments in ALL threads and discussions until the band actually speaks up