melodic rock ...not the same as it used to be for you?

[strangegrey]

Any artist either singer or movie star that says they are doing it for the fans are lying. Sure some are more honest about their feelings, and their is nothing wrong with it. DDY said he was in it to make money, and they all are, they just happen to give the fans something they like-ERIC

A load of shit...if you're in it for the money, be a fucking investment banker. I find this type of defense laughable. The fact of the matter is that the music isn't the priority for alot of these fuckwads, like Schonbag and EVH.

Some care about the music. Try telling that to DDY....fucking guy played to 35 people in some public park here on long island this past summer. If he got enough money to cover the gas to cart his keyboard, I'd be shocked. The guy loves the music...

[Rhiannon]

Just busting your balls.

Is that what that insane itching was earlier in the evening?

TMI, Dave. TMI.

[Deb]

Are they all like this? No fucking way...JSS, Jack Blades, Jim Peterik all seem like genuine guys....but the fact of the matter is a great deal of them are princesses, that are living in alternate reality.

I would definately add Eric Martin to that small list........

Although Bon Jovi seems to have abandoned their core sound recently, they are a great example...and should be role models to other bands...

The fact of the matter is that Richie and Jon dont get along....they almost killed eachother back in the late 80s...and they RECOGNIZE the fact that they have something magical together....so they've put aside their differences for the good of the music....only to watch it flourish.

How many of these fucking bands have kicked their singers out....came up with some lame ass excuse about Lead Singer's Disease....and destroyed the legacy of the band with their replacement(s)? Could you imagine Bon Jovi without JBJ? I mean shit....it's like Journey without Perry or Styx without Dennis Deyoung.

Been a fan for over 20 years and I'll agree that they didn't get along back in the late 80s. But I wouldn't say they don't get along now, unless you have heard or read something I haven't. Bon Jovi could have easily been a Journey statistic....before Keep The Faith. After 2 full-out 18-month tours for Slippery and New Jersey, they couldn't stand each other and all went there separate ways right after the last show of New Jersey. JBJ was burned out, had enough of the machine (hmmm, sound familiar ). They all did solo projects for a few years while Jon had his burnout/found himself or whatever and eventually got back together for Keep The Faith, after firing the Bon Jovi management machine and started managing themselves. Still going strong today and I think a lot of that has to do with Jon and Richie each knowing their roles and how far they can push themselves nowadays. Mind you being a business savy and strong-willed frontman sure didn't hurt either.

[mikemarrs]

wierd thing is i started feeling this way originally back around 1992 or so.all the sudden MTV stopped playing good melodic stuff like guns n roses,def leppard,bon jovi,journey,etc. and all the sudden started playing these sorry ass nirvana clones that sounded like shit and stared at their shoes in concert.bad thing was i had just turned 18 back then but i felt like this new crap was being force fed down my throat by radio and MTV when the other still seemed valid but ended up being totally ignored.there were a few bands i did like such as alice in chains and a few others but they made nirvana out to be like the second coming of the beatles which was totally moronic.nirvana was ok but the most hyped band of the last twenty years.all of the sudden this was when rap,country and alternative started ruling the roost back in the early to mid 90's and i trace the decline of good melodic rock to that time period.suddenly all my friends who had long hair and loved to rock out cut either cut their hair and started liking snoop dogg or they suddenly had all of garth brooks new albums and a new cowboy hat.a lot of good music started getting unpromoted,ignored or just fell through the cracks.bands like bon jovi went from selling 14 million records to barely making a gold album.when stuff like gangster rap and pure country plus the new punk stuff like green day started making waves around '95 or '96 you didn't ever hear anything from bands like bon jovi,def lappard and when they did make records they were lucky to sell half million where they once sold 10 million of a good release.the reason being is the media started totally ignoring all these bands like they died or something.then of course when you have bands like journey,styx and foreigner all replacing key people and losing their singers that sure as hell isn't going to help.the 90's were a time where the only old bands that did good were ones like kiss,fleetwood mac and the eagles who all reunited in the mid 90's and sold a buttload of albums and concert tickets.it does seem wierd to see bands that were once huge that sold out stadiums now playing in bars and clubs but i guessed thats what most of them are reduced to unless they get on package tours.the only way these bands sell a lot of tickets now is to put three or four bands on one bill sort of like journey/styx/reo speedwagon.i think journey dropped the ball big time here recently.they could've took the momentum they had with the sopranos thing and parlayed it into something huge.well we do have van halen reunited which is a good thing to look forward to.

[TRAGChick]

Most excellent thread.

But.....what about this article? What do you think?

I'm not saying the scene is "thriving" like it did 2 decades ago, but - look at the numbers:
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... hp?t=29544

[Abitaman]

Any artist either singer or movie star that says they are doing it for the fans are lying. Sure some are more honest about their feelings, and their is nothing wrong with it. DDY said he was in it to make money, and they all are, they just happen to give the fans something they like-ERIC

A load of shit...if you're in it for the money, be a fucking investment banker. I find this type of defense laughable. The fact of the matter is that the music isn't the priority for alot of these fuckwads, like Schonbag and EVH.

Some care about the music. Try telling that to DDY....fucking guy played to 35 people in some public park here on long island this past summer. If he got enough money to cover the gas to cart his keyboard, I'd be shocked. The guy loves the music...

Never said DDY didn't love the music..what I was saying about DDY as he stated in an interview about rock critrics when they bust his balls is where are all the bands that Rolling Stone said were great....DDY was doing what he wanted to do, write songs that people like and songs that got on the radio and made him money. These other bands that RS liked didn't make it, because they didn't care about anything. DDY and any smart singer knows what the crowd wants and will give it to them. In doing so they make money.
I believe DDY loves to perform, but back when Styx was big, he was smart and making money too-ERIC

[strangegrey]

Thanks for the clarification eric...I think the distinction, now that I understand you better....

is that money isn't the first and only consideration. Sure, these guys have to pay the bills...the idea is that the money will come if you remain genuine. This isn't the case with some of these guys....where money is first....and the music/fans are secondary or even tertiary.

That's the wrong attitude...and the reason why Journey is currently a side-show circus, instead of the premier rock band in MR....and it's safe to say, the same goes for Styx and Van Halen. They're punchlines now....then, they were what DEFINED rock.

and it's all because they never once thought about what their fans wanted...

Ive never seen Styx without DDY, because it's not styx without DDY.

I will NEVER see VH without Michael ANthony, because it's not VH without Michael Anthony...

...and I will NEVER see Journey unless they convince Steve Perry to come out of retirement...

[Abitaman]

I was in ahurry when I typed this morning, on my way to help a freind move, he got protmoted and they are moving to Nashville. While I was over there I thought about what I had typed, and wondered how it would be read.
Now I'm back from moving and I'm bushed, and don't feel like typing, So I am off to sleep. But I am glad it is cleared up about what I meant-ERIC

[scarygirl]

This whole thread is depressing, but true. Not saying their quite the same genre, but it literally feels like five minutes ago that I was a thirteen year old wanna be metal chick nursing a BON JOVI hang-over. I remember saying to my best friend at the time that when I grew up and old, if I was playing BJ and some kid asked whose that and I said BJ, and he said BJ who, I'd punch him or her in the nose. Well now. Five minutes before this five minutes before I remember saying something similar to my own mother about the Dave Clark Five. At 34, I am my own mother, and it's sad.

"I never meant to grow old, I was volunteered." Scarygirl

They say you never stop listening to the music you grew up with. A truer line was never spoken. I will always be a melodic rock / metal fan and listener. However these bands are dinosaurs ready to become extinct.

I remember getting dragged along as a kid and early teen to with my parents when they went to oldies revivial shows. Franki Vali, The Association, Roy Orbison (that was VERY cool actually), and plenty of other acts. They would play the small ampitheater here in Baltimore at pier 6. What's astonishing now, is that my favorite bands have become those acts and are now OLDER than those favorites of my parents were at the time!!!!!!

Many of us here are in are mid 30's, 40's and in some cases 50's. Do not kid yourself that any of "our" bands are ever going to have a hit again. It just isn't ever going to happen. Just be happy if a 70's or 80's band just puts a new song or some new material out because it's the best you can hope for.

What many people don't get is that it has been over for quite sometime. Some of these acts can still draw audiences, which is a testament to them and this style of music. However barring the one shot reunions of a Van Halen, Kiss (now 11 years since they got back together), The Police, etc. - they are all just waiting to be put out to pasture.

Just look at the Billboard hit singles charts and it will tell you all you need to know. I don't know any of the songs on there. You know why? Because I'm getting fucking old. I hate hip hop, American Idol and Country music and that is all that sells.

So embrace it. I have. I am now what my parents were in the early 80's - going to see my heroes a few more times before they pack it in. I take comfort in the fact that I grew up in the best possible era of music. I will buy a ticket to see these bands as many times as possible, because there will become a time when they are not around to enjoy anymore. With the expception of the fools in Journey of course who I wish empty seats and aging cellulite ridden groupies on.

[Monker]

I remember saying to my best friend at the time that when I grew up and old, if I was playing BJ and some kid asked whose that and I said BJ, and he said BJ who, I'd punch him or her in the nose. Well now. Five minutes before this five minutes before I remember saying something similar to my own mother about the Dave Clark Five. At 34, I am my own mother, and it's sad.

Well, hopefully, she didn't punch you in the nose!

[tj]

This whole thread is depressing, but true. Not saying their quite the same genre, but it literally feels like five minutes ago that I was a thirteen year old wanna be metal chick nursing a BON JOVI hang-over. I remember saying to my best friend at the time that when I grew up and old, if I was playing BJ and some kid asked whose that and I said BJ, and he said BJ who, I'd punch him or her in the nose. Well now. Five minutes before this five minutes before I remember saying something similar to my own mother about the Dave Clark Five. At 34, I am my own mother, and it's sad.

"I never meant to grow old, I was volunteered." Scarygirl

They say you never stop listening to the music you grew up with. A truer line was never spoken. I will always be a melodic rock / metal fan and listener. However these bands are dinosaurs ready to become extinct.

I remember getting dragged along as a kid and early teen to with my parents when they went to oldies revivial shows. Franki Vali, The Association, Roy Orbison (that was VERY cool actually), and plenty of other acts. They would play the small ampitheater here in Baltimore at pier 6. What's astonishing now, is that my favorite bands have become those acts and are now OLDER than those favorites of my parents were at the time!!!!!!

Many of us here are in are mid 30's, 40's and in some cases 50's. Do not kid yourself that any of "our" bands are ever going to have a hit again. It just isn't ever going to happen. Just be happy if a 70's or 80's band just puts a new song or some new material out because it's the best you can hope for.

What many people don't get is that it has been over for quite sometime. Some of these acts can still draw audiences, which is a testament to them and this style of music. However barring the one shot reunions of a Van Halen, Kiss (now 11 years since they got back together), The Police, etc. - they are all just waiting to be put out to pasture.

Just look at the Billboard hit singles charts and it will tell you all you need to know. I don't know any of the songs on there. You know why? Because I'm getting fucking old. I hate hip hop, American Idol and Country music and that is all that sells.

So embrace it. I have. I am now what my parents were in the early 80's - going to see my heroes a few more times before they pack it in. I take comfort in the fact that I grew up in the best possible era of music. I will buy a ticket to see these bands as many times as possible, because there will become a time when they are not around to enjoy anymore. With the expception of the fools in Journey of course who I wish empty seats and aging cellulite ridden groupies on.

How long before our favorite bands from the 70s/80s end up in Branson?

http://www.bransonshows.com/activity/Ri ... aiders.cfm

[mistiejourney]

This whole thread is depressing, but true. Not saying their quite the same genre, but it literally feels like five minutes ago that I was a thirteen year old wanna be metal chick nursing a BON JOVI hang-over. I remember saying to my best friend at the time that when I grew up and old, if I was playing BJ and some kid asked whose that and I said BJ, and he said BJ who, I'd punch him or her in the nose. Well now. Five minutes before this five minutes before I remember saying something similar to my own mother about the Dave Clark Five. At 34, I am my own mother, and it's sad.

"I never meant to grow old, I was volunteered." Scarygirl

They say you never stop listening to the music you grew up with. A truer line was never spoken. I will always be a melodic rock / metal fan and listener. However these bands are dinosaurs ready to become extinct.

I remember getting dragged along as a kid and early teen to with my parents when they went to oldies revivial shows. Franki Vali, The Association, Roy Orbison (that was VERY cool actually), and plenty of other acts. They would play the small ampitheater here in Baltimore at pier 6. What's astonishing now, is that my favorite bands have become those acts and are now OLDER than those favorites of my parents were at the time!!!!!!

Many of us here are in are mid 30's, 40's and in some cases 50's. Do not kid yourself that any of "our" bands are ever going to have a hit again. It just isn't ever going to happen. Just be happy if a 70's or 80's band just puts a new song or some new material out because it's the best you can hope for.

What many people don't get is that it has been over for quite sometime. Some of these acts can still draw audiences, which is a testament to them and this style of music. However barring the one shot reunions of a Van Halen, Kiss (now 11 years since they got back together), The Police, etc. - they are all just waiting to be put out to pasture.

Just look at the Billboard hit singles charts and it will tell you all you need to know. I don't know any of the songs on there. You know why? Because I'm getting fucking old. I hate hip hop, American Idol and Country music and that is all that sells.

So embrace it. I have. I am now what my parents were in the early 80's - going to see my heroes a few more times before they pack it in. I take comfort in the fact that I grew up in the best possible era of music. I will buy a ticket to see these bands as many times as possible, because there will become a time when they are not around to enjoy anymore. With the expception of the fools in Journey of course who I wish empty seats and aging cellulite ridden groupies on.

How long before our favorite bands from the 70s/80s end up in Branson?

http://www.bransonshows.com/activity/Ri ... aiders.cfm

LOL - if they do, that's where I'll go see 'em! Except for Journey, I don't think Branson would have 'em....

[scarygirl]

Man, I forgot about that song til you mentioned it. Great album! I also loved These Days.

Will someone please tell me how the fuck BonJovi and U2 still manage to put out a hit record time after time and attract stadium size crowds? What are they doing right that these other MelodicRock bands aren't?

No idea bro. I don't get it either.

Bon Jovi I can understand. I've never gotten the whole U2 thing. Even in the 80's, WTF?

I love U2's 80s stuff. Since then, though, with the exception of a couple of albums, they have just followed the trends.

I did like U2 early on, as well as Bon Jovi, but since the early 80's neither of those band have done anything I've cared for.

My musical window is incredibly narrow of late. I know I'm missing a lot, but dammit, I'm enjoying what I love.

Last Jovi cd I really liked was "Keep the Faith". The song "Fear" off that is great!!!!

[Rick]

Just got out of the Night Ranger concert. Melodic rock is still very alive. What a great show. Jack Blades and Brad Gillis are both fucking crazy. They were having the best time on stage. They sounded excellent. I'm so glad I went. Forgot my friggin camera, sorry.

[TigerBite]

They say you never stop listening to the music you grew up with. A truer line was never spoken. I will always be a melodic rock / metal fan and listener. However these bands are dinosaurs ready to become extinct.

I remember getting dragged along as a kid and early teen to with my parents when they went to oldies revivial shows. Franki Vali, The Association, Roy Orbison (that was VERY cool actually), and plenty of other acts. They would play the small ampitheater here in Baltimore at pier 6. What's astonishing now, is that my favorite bands have become those acts and are now OLDER than those favorites of my parents were at the time!!!!!!

Many of us here are in are mid 30's, 40's and in some cases 50's. Do not kid yourself that any of "our" bands are ever going to have a hit again. It just isn't ever going to happen. Just be happy if a 70's or 80's band just puts a new song or some new material out because it's the best you can hope for.

What many people don't get is that it has been over for quite sometime. Some of these acts can still draw audiences, which is a testament to them and this style of music. However barring the one shot reunions of a Van Halen, Kiss (now 11 years since they got back together), The Police, etc. - they are all just waiting to be put out to pasture.

Just look at the Billboard hit singles charts and it will tell you all you need to know. I don't know any of the songs on there. You know why? Because I'm getting fucking old. I hate hip hop, American Idol and Country music and that is all that sells.

So embrace it. I have. I am now what my parents were in the early 80's - going to see my heroes a few more times before they pack it in. I take comfort in the fact that I grew up in the best possible era of music. I will buy a ticket to see these bands as many times as possible, because there will become a time when they are not around to enjoy anymore. With the expception of the fools in Journey of course who I wish empty seats and aging cellulite ridden groupies on.

You said it for me. The last line is especially true for Journey, but what is scary about that comment is those same cellulite ridden groupies ARE following Mr. Perry around. And they are even on this BB!!!

[mistiejourney]

They say you never stop listening to the music you grew up with. A truer line was never spoken. I will always be a melodic rock / metal fan and listener. However these bands are dinosaurs ready to become extinct.

I remember getting dragged along as a kid and early teen to with my parents when they went to oldies revivial shows. Franki Vali, The Association, Roy Orbison (that was VERY cool actually), and plenty of other acts. They would play the small ampitheater here in Baltimore at pier 6. What's astonishing now, is that my favorite bands have become those acts and are now OLDER than those favorites of my parents were at the time!!!!!!

Many of us here are in are mid 30's, 40's and in some cases 50's. Do not kid yourself that any of "our" bands are ever going to have a hit again. It just isn't ever going to happen. Just be happy if a 70's or 80's band just puts a new song or some new material out because it's the best you can hope for.

What many people don't get is that it has been over for quite sometime. Some of these acts can still draw audiences, which is a testament to them and this style of music. However barring the one shot reunions of a Van Halen, Kiss (now 11 years since they got back together), The Police, etc. - they are all just waiting to be put out to pasture.

Just look at the Billboard hit singles charts and it will tell you all you need to know. I don't know any of the songs on there. You know why? Because I'm getting fucking old. I hate hip hop, American Idol and Country music and that is all that sells.

So embrace it. I have. I am now what my parents were in the early 80's - going to see my heroes a few more times before they pack it in. I take comfort in the fact that I grew up in the best possible era of music. I will buy a ticket to see these bands as many times as possible, because there will become a time when they are not around to enjoy anymore. With the expception of the fools in Journey of course who I wish empty seats and aging cellulite ridden groupies on.

You said it for me. The last line is especially true for Journey, but what is scary about that comment is those same cellulite ridden groupies ARE following Mr. Perry around. And they are even on this BB!!!

Hey!!! Watch it!!! I resemble that remark!