Neal Schon and Sammy Hagar in 2008?

[Saint John]

This issue is over as far as I'm concerned. I'll only comment about Steve Perry the artist from now on as it's the only topic I have enough knowledge of to give an opinion on. Journey didn't work at certain times for certain reasons and I'm tired of beating my head into my keyboard over it. It causes headaches, hurt feelings and internet wars. I'm not going there anymore (til I'm drunk again ). I'm geared up and focused on 2008, a year I think will bring some HUGE surprises. Peace to all.

[ohsherrie]

This is of course, assuming Perry's injury was genuine...and not a ploy to escape his obligations.

What gives you the right to question whether it was genuine? Lora has said it was genuine. Do you have any information to the contrary or are you just pushing your suppositions and opinions as facts like so many others?

It seem to me that people are still trying desperately to find a way to blame Perry for everything, even things that have happened since he got shit on, rather than face the irrefutable evidence that Neal and Jon are completely unethical and self serving assholes.

Not true at all. If you've witnessed anything from me or anyone else you feel so hell bent on squaring off with...is that Fucka and Fro most certainly share a large portion of the blame here. The difference is that I refuse to absolve Perry of his wrongdoing to scuttle this once great band into relative obscurity, just because Fucka and Fro did their fair share with Perry out of the picture.

I know you have also blamed Frig and Fro since Tapegate, but I didn't know you before so I don't know where you stood before then. I can only assume that since you started BT that you thought Frig and Fro were OK then. All I can see that they did with Perry out of the picture is ridicule Journey.

The problem with you, is that you refuse to acknowledge Perry's humungous role in Journey's demise between 83 and 96. Fucka and Fro just finished the job following 96. Granted, Perry threw up his fair share of legal roadblocks to help things along over the past 10 years, thats for shit sure.

And you know exactly what was happening at the time? I don't. One thing I do know is that if I had to choose between making my buddies happy and staying sane and healthy I would choose sane and healthy. I think it's a credit to Steve that he knew the difference. The fact that he's where he is now and they're where they are in their lives proves to me that he was right and they're pathetic.

Don't assume your sainted stevie is blameless. Fucka and Fro did their part....but prior to 96, Perry had the keys and drove this once Hot Rod GTO into the ground. By the time Fucka and Fro got the keys, the Hot Rodded GTO was just a rusted out, piece of shit dodge that burned 2 quarts of oil a month and needed a kick start every time you wanted to drive it.

I've never said or even implied that Steve was blameless. All I've said is that the Frig and Fro lovers have spent 10 yrs now blaming every damned bad thing that has ever happened to Journey on Steve rather than assigning blame where it was due to Frig and Fro.

What Steve did it '87 and what he did in '97 was because of his health. If you choose not to believe that, or to think that "the band" was more important, I see that as a character flaw on your part.

[ohsherrie]

This issue is over as far as I'm concerned. I'll only comment about Steve Perry the artist from now on as it's the only topic I have enough knowledge of to give an opinion on. Journey didn't work at certain times for certain reasons and I'm tired of beating my head into my keyboard over it. It causes headaches, hurt feelings and internet wars. I'm not going there anymore (til I'm drunk again ). I'm geared up and focused on 2008, a year I think will bring some HUGE surprises. Peace to all.

Peace to you too Dan.

[amaron]

It's beyond astonishing to me that fans who have never met Steve Perry except perhaps at a meet and greet can actually be arrogant enough to have the audacity to challenge a woman who's known him for over 20 yrs on his history and motivations. Do you guys have any idea how absurd that is and what assholes you look like when you do it? Do you even care? Well, stupid question, you obviously don't.

She doesn't have to explain why SJ's post is inaccurate. It's enough that she says it is. She stated on here clearly a while back that Steve absolutely did have hip surgery and was blatantly called a liar for it. Why in the hell would she ever try to "explain" anything to any of you again?

I'd like to know why he didn't want to be forced into getting the hip surgery, and wouldn't tour because he didn't want to be confined to a stool on stage, yet he had the surgery not 7 months after the call and when he was replaced with "the soundalike, or whatever he was". If Journey was so important to him, why wait? Did it just come to him 6 months later that "Oh shit, I should probably get this finally taken care of."?

Amaron, I've never had a problem with you, but did it ever occur to you that all the intimate details are none of our business? Do you think that the lack of those intimate details give you and others the right to assume that Steve was the villain just because all the info you were getting was coming from Frig and Fro and, naturally, of the negative sort towards Steve? Haven't any of you Fro worshipers learned anything about you idol's character since Tapegate?

It seem to me that people are still trying desperately to find a way to blame Perry for everything, even things that have happened since he got shit on, rather than face the irrefutable evidence that Neal and Jon are completely unethical and self serving assholes.

My information in my last post is from an interview with Steve Perry.

I'm sorry sherrie, but everyone involved in this band was a self serving asshole at one time or another. Schon and Cain were just stupid to do things the way they did. I've always been quite pissed that Augeri was treated the way he was, and YES, it did make me wonder about the breakup in 1998.

While Steve Perry has every right to live the life he currently does, as a fan of him inside and outside of Journey, I have the right to question his motives and his apparent nonchalant attitude towards his fans.

[ohsherrie]

Thank you for your respectful response Amaron. I don't see where Steve has ever been disrespectful to his fans but if you do then it's not my place to argue with your feelings.

[amaron]

Thank you for your respectful response Amaron. I don't see where Steve has ever been disrespectful to his fans but if you do then it's not my place to argue with your feelings.

I don't think he's been disrespectful as much as I think that he's said things that have never come true. I still remember the touring comment from BTM and how he does all these side projects, but never gives the die hard SP fan what they really want.

False hope is the term I think I'd use.

[strangegrey]

What gives you the right to question whether it was genuine? Lora has said it was genuine. Do you have any information to the contrary or are you just pushing your suppositions and opinions as facts like so many others?

This is the last time I'm going to spell it out for you. One needs independance to make an attestation. Period. Lora does not have the quality. She's not in such a position. Therefore there's ZERO evidence that you have to support your view on this. Oh, I know, Perry said it on the BTM, so it MUST be true!

So let me throw your lame ass question back in your lap? What gives you the right to accept the convenient words of a pathological liar?

What Steve did it '87 and what he did in '97 was because of his health. If you choose not to believe that, or to think that "the band" was more important, I see that as a character flaw on your part.

It depends on your definition of health. Mental Health, maybe...physical? Horseshit.

I'm sorry, real men actually *honor* their obligations....

[ohsherrie]

Frank, you have IMO reached so completely OUT THERE to justify your apparent disdain for Perry that I'm finding it hare to respond rationally to your posts.

Bottom line, the man did what he felt that he had to do at the time(in both cases). That may not have suited what the other members of the band or the fans wanted, but it was what he as a man needed to do. If you can't invision anything in your life that would lead you to that kind of decision then you're a lucky man.

[annie89509]

LMAO, I have lurked on this and other Journey boards for a long time. It's amazing how any thread at any time can evolve into a "Steve Perry is to blame for Journey's ills" tirade. Only the cast of characters changes. If SP ever reads this spiel against him--and we know he doesn't--he would be laughing his ass off and telling us all to get a life. I mean, isn't that what Neal once said to some Perry fans that were razzing him over at BT?

For the record, I have never come across any Loon that claims SP is a saint. That title is reserved by the Wigglers for their man. I suppose there are segments of the Journey fandom that felt SP has let the band and fans down. But, 10 years of recording and touring with Journey almost non-stop counted for something, doesn't it? It was Jon--not a loon--that said "every time Steve sang on stage, he'd bleed a little, he just got tired of bleeding."

We know he was an emotional wreck during ROR as his mother was dying. Also, as the tour dragged on, he was losing his voice, that I can verify as I have some audio boots from early to end of the tour. For example, the New Year's Eve Long Beach concert, although high energy, his singing was very hoarse (IMO), almost painful and hard-breaking to listen to. To his credit, he fulfilled his tour obligation, even added 2 dates in Alaska to end it. I believe Steve when he said he had to stop and get off the merry-go-round to save his sanity.

I also believe Steve was apprehensive about embarking on the grand Journey Reunion Tour. Going solo, he was in total control and kept his tour purposefully low key. The Journey machine is another animal. Imagine the hype and hoopla after a 10-yr. hiatus. During the promotion rounds, Neal was giddy like a kid in a candy store, psyched about playing stadiums and being "out there for 2 years." Would this have been realistic? Remember, Steve was now 48 yrs.old, with a bad hip, and couldn't do all his FTLOSM shows. Just my thoughts.

[Eric]

LMAO, I have lurked on this and other Journey boards for a long time. It's amazing how any thread at any time can evolve into a "Steve Perry is to blame for Journey's ills" tirade. Only the cast of characters changes. If SP ever reads this spiel against him--and we know he doesn't--he would be laughing his ass off and telling us all to get a life. I mean, isn't that what Neal once said to some Perry fans that were razzing him over at BT?

For the record, I have never come across any Loon that claims SP is a saint. That title is reserved by the Wigglers for their man. I suppose there are segments of the Journey fandom that felt SP has let the band and fans down. But, 10 years of recording and touring with Journey almost non-stop counted for something, doesn't it? It was Jon--not a loon--that said "every time Steve sang on stage, he'd bleed a little, he just got tired of bleeding."

We know he was an emotional wreck during ROR as his mother was dying. Also, as the tour dragged on, he was losing his voice, that I can verify as I have some audio boots from early to end of the tour. For example, the New Year's Eve Long Beach concert, although high energy, his singing was very hoarse (IMO), almost painful and hard-breaking to listen to. To his credit, he fulfilled his tour obligation, even added 2 dates in Alaska to end it. I believe Steve when he said he had to stop and get off the merry-go-round to save his sanity.

I also believe Steve was apprehensive about embarking on the grand Journey Reunion Tour. Going solo, he was in total control and kept his tour purposefully low key. The Journey machine is another animal. Imagine the hype and hoopla after a 10-yr. hiatus. During the promotion rounds, Neal was giddy like a kid in a candy store, psyched about playing stadiums and being "out there for 2 years." Would this have been realistic? Remember, Steve was now 48 yrs.old, with a bad hip, and couldn't do all his FTLOSM shows. Just my thoughts.

The picture you just painted of him would lend credence to moving on without him.

[strangegrey]

Frank, you have IMO reached so completely OUT THERE to justify your apparent disdain for Perry that I'm finding it hare to respond rationally to your posts.

Bottom line, the man did what he felt that he had to do at the time(in both cases). That may not have suited what the other members of the band or the fans wanted, but it was what he as a man needed to do. If you can't invision anything in your life that would lead you to that kind of decision then you're a lucky man.

Whatever, OS. You're obviously clouded by your self-cannonization of the man to ever see the man did anything wrong.

The fact of the matter is that all three prinicple (i.e. ROR) members, ruined this band. They ALL share blame. You may think I have sole disdain for Perry, which is not true. I have also been quoted here and elsewhere as saying that the ONLY person that can save Journey right now, is Perry.

But your refusal to cast *any* blame on Perry is your problem. The guy is is directly responsible for Journey falling from the position it held in 83. At that point, they were poised to literally control the rock and roll world. They could have been bigger than u2, VH and Bruce Springsteen combined. Instead, the band scuttled that potential at every possible turn....and that effort was led predominantly by Perry.



I'm not going to fault someone for losing a relative...and feeling bad about it. But let me add this one point. Losing a relative doesn't mean you shut down life. You go on. You don't close up a partnership where 10s or 100s of people are relying on you to support their families. last February, I lost my grandfather. He was, single-handedly responsible for more good in my life than any other single person I can point to. It literally eclipsed any other death I had to cope with, by a factor I can not quantify. Had I handled last spring, like Perry...I would have ceased my graduate studies, shut down every aspect of my life...and I would have done so for 10-12 years.....and at every possible turn where I could have done something fruitful with my life, I would have taken the easy road, backed away and blamed my grandfather's death for the reason why I couldn't handle it!

You know, I think Schon said this of Perry a few years ago. He lost a relative around the same time as the BTM. The BTM didn't devote 45 out of the 60 minutes to his relative, however. Losing relatives is a part of life. It's not the driving factor in it.
You dedicate your life to those souls that you've lost and you move on.
You don't use their deaths as an excuse to not move forward....and you don't use those deaths as an excuse to leave people hanging on obligations you have.

If Perry couldn't have handled his obligations, he would have been better served to inform the people that were going to rely on him. Instead, moved the process along, and immaturely decided to pull out, after obligations were expected.

Real men DONT do that.

This is something that Perry has done, not once, but several times. It's immature...and that's my big complaint about him. He's a selfish, immature person...that has refused to own responsibility for his actions and promises.

[conversationpc]

I'm sorry, real men actually *honor* their obligations....

BINGO!

I'm sure that Journey having to cancel the second half of their ROR tour probably made it difficult on venues, their employees, promoters, etc.

[CatEyes]

I am not here to fight with you Frank ..... I just always thought that you were smarter than to play the internet bully and join in the beat down.

Actually Cat, you're not quoting me. You're quoting someone else...so with respect to this, who are you 'not fighting' with?

I have my *opinions* on what's right and wrong. There's plenty of evidence that supports my opinion. Sadly to say, there's not much evidence pointing in the other way....my issue here, is very much one of attestation. A person lacking independence can NOT attest to the veracity of statements of anyone within the dependent circle. It's simply not possible for any level of credible attestation to happen.

THAT is my issue here...and it's a big one. I'm not playing bully, as you seem to want to point out....I simply don't feel that the current way with which things are argued, is apropriate given what i've said above.

That's right Frank I was not quoting you ... I was pointing out what you had identified as facts .......

I simply don't feel that the current way with which things are argued, is apropriate

Could not agree with you more here, Frank.

I am so sick and fucking fed up, tired and bored (and please, no ass hole out there needs to use the sophmoric "then why are you here") with the personal attacks.

People telling each other what is right or wrong to believe, think or feel - with absolutley no fucking respect for each other.... spewing recently Googled "facts" .

Skip the "Freedom of Speech" bullshit too - freedom of speech means that sometimes you have to hear things you don't like.... many days here simply stating an opinion brings on the beat down -like a bunch of idiot school children.

And that goes for all sides.

Not any part of any of this has one bit to do with Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal, Bill Clinton, George Bush, the Dali Lama, Jesus or Steve Perry.

Friga and Fro, however, are on their own.

The members of this forum are intelligent (ok, mostly) funny, and passionate.

Recognize that in each other and stop spewing the fucking hate at each other.

Enjoy the time with each other - and the spirit.

or kiss my ass ...... it could go either way.

Cat

[Deb]

Could not agree with you more here, Frank.

I am so sick and fucking fed up, tired and bored (and please, no ass hole out there needs to use the sophmoric "then why are you here") with the personal attacks.

People telling each other what is right or wrong to believe, think or feel - with absolutley no fucking respect for each other.... spewing recently Googled "facts" .

Skip the "Freedom of Speech" bullshit too - freedom of speech means that sometimes you have to hear things you don't like.... many days here simply stating an opinion brings on the beat down -like a bunch of idiot school children.

And that goes for all sides.

Not any part of any of this has one bit to do with Republican, Democrat, Conservative, Liberal, Bill Clinton, George Bush, the Dali Lama, Jesus or Steve Perry.

Friga and Fro, however, are on their own.

The members of this forum are intelligent (ok, mostly) funny, and passionate.

Recognize that in each other and stop spewing the fucking hate at each other.

Enjoy the time with each other - and the spirit.

or kiss my ass ...... it could go either way.

Cat

BEST POST OF THE YEAR!!!

[conversationpc]

or kiss my ass ...... it could go either way.

Cat

Post a pic of yourself and then we'll let you know if we want to do that.

[CatEyes]

or kiss my ass ...... it could go either way.

Cat

Post a pic of yourself and then we'll let you know if we want to do that.

Oh Dave .....

You know I love it when you talk dirty

Cat

[ohsherrie]

Let me repeat:

Frank, you have IMO reached so completely OUT THERE to justify your apparent disdain for Perry that I'm finding it hard to respond rationally to your posts.

Bottom line, the man did what he felt that he had to do at the time(in both cases). That may not have suited what the other members of the band or the fans wanted, but it was what he as a man needed to do. If you can't invision anything in your life that would lead you to that kind of decision then you're a lucky man.

And add:

Frank you're too completely into this and you're really not making a lot of sense. (And they call us loons. )

I suppose you think real men treat friends and bandmates the way Augeri and JSS were treated.

Like I said, I've never claimed that Steve Perry was perfect, all I've ever challenged anyone on these boards about is blaming Steve for everything and assassinating his character while trying to paint Neal Schon as some noble victim. Even now that Neal has made it blatantly obvious how much character and integrity he has, or doesn't have, it's still, after 10 years Steve Perry who gets raked over the coals on the Journey boards more than anyone else.

Did you ever answer my observation that even while claiming Journey was never all about Perry, that it was always Neal's band, that Perry is a veritable Devil Spawn that Journey is better off without, those same people are the ones that are so irrationally angry at Perry for not being with them?

[Journey69]

SJ, Dan, do you really think SP would want anything to do with Frig and Fro? I honestly think I'd be disappointed in him if he did. They've sunken so far beneath his dignity that he should look down his gorgeous nose and snub them. They just don't deserve him.

Steve Perry is no better or worse than Neal or Jon. They've ALL made bad decisions. Steve quitting during two major tours, firing 2 members for NO reason, recording an album he had no intention of touring behind and using some fabricated injury to hold the band hostage for YEARS as they patiently waited for him seems at least as bad as the shit they've done. Also, maybe...just maybe, he'd do it for the fans that WANT this to happen. Be disappointed all you fuckin' want. You don't know Steve Perry and you certainly don't know if he has any more or less dignity than Neal or Jon. Your post tells me that subconciously you don't even think it's a possibility he'd do this for the legions of fans he fucked over circa 1996. Where was "his dignity" then? Must be somewhere in that gag order. Sure makes me want to fuckin' puke.

Well said ! I agree 110% ! The only reason anyone even bashes Neal and Jon,is because they are still making music with the Journey name..Perry is for the most part retired ,so people forget about what he did to other peope..If they(Neal and Jon) retired 10 yrs ago and let it rest like Perry said, this would be a non topic!

[conversationpc]

I suppose you think real men treat friends and bandmates the way Augeri and JSS were treated.

I know this is directed at Frank but he's given the guys currently in the band more crap than just about everyone else here combined over the way JSS and Augeri were treated.

[Journey69]

Frank, you have IMO reached so completely OUT THERE to justify your apparent disdain for Perry that I'm finding it hare to respond rationally to your posts.

Bottom line, the man did what he felt that he had to do at the time(in both cases). That may not have suited what the other members of the band or the fans wanted, but it was what he as a man needed to do. If you can't invision anything in your life that would lead you to that kind of decision then you're a lucky man.

Whatever, OS. You're obviously clouded by your self-cannonization of the man to ever see the man did anything wrong.

The fact of the matter is that all three prinicple (i.e. ROR) members, ruined this band. They ALL share blame. You may think I have sole disdain for Perry, which is not true. I have also been quoted here and elsewhere as saying that the ONLY person that can save Journey right now, is Perry.

But your refusal to cast *any* blame on Perry is your problem. The guy is is directly responsible for Journey falling from the position it held in 83. At that point, they were poised to literally control the rock and roll world. They could have been bigger than u2, VH and Bruce Springsteen combined. Instead, the band scuttled that potential at every possible turn....and that effort was led predominantly by Perry.



I'm not going to fault someone for losing a relative...and feeling bad about it. But let me add this one point. Losing a relative doesn't mean you shut down life. You go on. You don't close up a partnership where 10s or 100s of people are relying on you to support their families. last February, I lost my grandfather. He was, single-handedly responsible for more good in my life than any other single person I can point to. It literally eclipsed any other death I had to cope with, by a factor I can not quantify. Had I handled last spring, like Perry...I would have ceased my graduate studies, shut down every aspect of my life...and I would have done so for 10-12 years.....and at every possible turn where I could have done something fruitful with my life, I would have taken the easy road, backed away and blamed my grandfather's death for the reason why I couldn't handle it!

You know, I think Schon said this of Perry a few years ago. He lost a relative around the same time as the BTM. The BTM didn't devote 45 out of the 60 minutes to his relative, however. Losing relatives is a part of life. It's not the driving factor in it.
You dedicate your life to those souls that you've lost and you move on.
You don't use their deaths as an excuse to not move forward....and you don't use those deaths as an excuse to leave people hanging on obligations you have.

If Perry couldn't have handled his obligations, he would have been better served to inform the people that were going to rely on him. Instead, moved the process along, and immaturely decided to pull out, after obligations were expected.

Real men DONT do that.

This is something that Perry has done, not once, but several times. It's immature...and that's my big complaint about him. He's a selfish, immature person...that has refused to own responsibility for his actions and promises.

Great post Grey!! I agree with this one also!!

[ohsherrie]

I suppose you think real men treat friends and bandmates the way Augeri and JSS were treated.

I know this is direct at Frank but he's given the guys currently in the band more crap than just about everyone else here combined over the way JSS and Augeri were treated.

But there is so obviously much more rancor toward Steve Perry from the majority of the men that continued to follow Journey after they split with Steve that their annoyance with Frig and Fro right now because of Augeri and JSS pales by comparison. Their crusade against Perry and anyone who still prefers Perry to any other past or present member of Journey, is much more irrational, almost maniacal in fact, than most of the so-called Perryheads, or loons that I've personally known ever were in favor of Steve.

[conversationpc]

But there is so obviously much more rancor toward Steve Perry from the majority of the men that continued to follow Journey after they split with Steve that their annoyance with Frig and Fro right now because of Augeri and JSS pales by comparison. Their crusade against Perry and anyone who still prefers Perry to any other past or present member of Journey, is much more irrational, almost maniacal in fact, than most of the so-called Perryheads, or loons that I've personally known ever were in favor of Steve.

I can't really think of many that are more upset at Perry than Frig & Fro.

[annie89509]

LMAO, I have lurked on this and other Journey boards for a long time. It's amazing how any thread at any time can evolve into a "Steve Perry is to blame for Journey's ills" tirade. Only the cast of characters changes. If SP ever reads this spiel against him--and we know he doesn't--he would be laughing his ass off and telling us all to get a life. I mean, isn't that what Neal once said to some Perry fans that were razzing him over at BT?

For the record, I have never come across any Loon that claims SP is a saint. That title is reserved by the Wigglers for their man. I suppose there are segments of the Journey fandom that felt SP has let the band and fans down. But, 10 years of recording and touring with Journey almost non-stop counted for something, doesn't it? It was Jon--not a loon--that said "every time Steve sang on stage, he'd bleed a little, he just got tired of bleeding."

We know he was an emotional wreck during ROR as his mother was dying. Also, as the tour dragged on, he was losing his voice, that I can verify as I have some audio boots from early to end of the tour. For example, the New Year's Eve Long Beach concert, although high energy, his singing was very hoarse (IMO), almost painful and hard-breaking to listen to. To his credit, he fulfilled his tour obligation, even added 2 dates in Alaska to end it. I believe Steve when he said he had to stop and get off the merry-go-round to save his sanity.

I also believe Steve was apprehensive about embarking on the grand Journey Reunion Tour. Going solo, he was in total control and kept his tour purposefully low key. The Journey machine is another animal. Imagine the hype and hoopla after a 10-yr. hiatus. During the promotion rounds, Neal was giddy like a kid in a candy store, psyched about playing stadiums and being "out there for 2 years." Would this have been realistic? Remember, Steve was now 48 yrs.old, with a bad hip, and couldn't do all his FTLOSM shows. Just my thoughts.

The picture you just painted of him would lend credence to moving on without him.

And they did, Eric, introducing Steve Augeri to the Journey world and a legion of Wigglers followed.

[Deb]

But there is so obviously much more rancor toward Steve Perry from the majority of the men that continued to follow Journey after they split with Steve that their annoyance with Frig and Fro right now because of Augeri and JSS pales by comparison. Their crusade against Perry and anyone who still prefers Perry to any other past or present member of Journey, is much more irrational, almost maniacal in fact, than most of the so-called Perryheads, or loons that I've personally known ever were in favor of Steve.

I can't really think of many that are more upset at Perry than Frig & Fro.

Saint John when he's drinkin'. He's got that love/hate thing going on.

[ohsherrie]

But there is so obviously much more rancor toward Steve Perry from the majority of the men that continued to follow Journey after they split with Steve that their annoyance with Frig and Fro right now because of Augeri and JSS pales by comparison. Their crusade against Perry and anyone who still prefers Perry to any other past or present member of Journey, is much more irrational, almost maniacal in fact, than most of the so-called Perryheads, or loons that I've personally known ever were in favor of Steve.

I can't really think of many that are more upset at Perry than Frig & Fro.

Oh for shits sake Dave, what is this very thread about? Have you not noticed that every time there is a discussion involving any negativity towards Journey or Neal, 90% of the time it will include an anti-Perry discussion. I saw quite a bit of "rethinking the Perry thing" sentiment when the whole thing with Jeff first hit the boards, and some if it still exists, but there's still more of the "let's take out our Journey related hostility on Perry" mindset still around.

Even Monker, the possible King of all Perry Haters has made a joke out of "everything is Perry's fault" and "find a way to blame it on Perry" tendencies because it's been like this on Journey boards since there have been Journey boards.

[annie89509]

I'm sorry, real men actually *honor* their obligations....

BINGO!

I'm sure that Journey having to cancel the second half of their ROR tour probably made it difficult on venues, their employees, promoters, etc.

Since when is 1 person responsible for the livelihood of 10s, 100s of people (as Strangegrey alluded to)? Would you want that burden? SP's obligation is to take care of himself, as anyone should expect stepping in his shoes. I don't consider that to be selfish in the least.

As for fulfilling his obligation to tour, SP canceled some FTLOSM dates, big deal. As far as I know (and I may be wrong), he finished out the ROR tour. No dates were scheduled yet for a 2nd leg, and there certainly wasn't anything set for the TBF reunion tour.

[conversationpc]

Oh for shits sake Dave, what is this very thread about? Have you not noticed that every time there is a discussion involving any negativity towards Journey or Neal, 90% of the time it will include an anti-Perry discussion. I saw quite a bit of "rethinking the Perry thing" sentiment when the whole thing with Jeff first hit the boards, and some if it still exists, but there's still more of the "let's take out our Journey related hostility on Perry" mindset still around.

Even Monker, the possible King of all Perry Haters has made a joke out of "everything is Perry's fault" and "find a way to blame it on Perry" tendencies because it's been like this on Journey boards since there have been Journey boards.

Ever since the stuff with JSS came down, I've seen a lot more vitriol directed towards Frig & Fro than I have Perry. Go over to the TBJF and see how much hate there is towards those guys as compared to Perry.

For shits sake...

[annie89509]

Oh for shits sake Dave, what is this very thread about? Have you not noticed that every time there is a discussion involving any negativity towards Journey or Neal, 90% of the time it will include an anti-Perry discussion. I saw quite a bit of "rethinking the Perry thing" sentiment when the whole thing with Jeff first hit the boards, and some if it still exists, but there's still more of the "let's take out our Journey related hostility on Perry" mindset still around.

Even Monker, the possible King of all Perry Haters has made a joke out of "everything is Perry's fault" and "find a way to blame it on Perry" tendencies because it's been like this on Journey boards since there have been Journey boards.

Ever since the stuff with JSS came down, I've seen a lot more vitriol directed towards Frig & Fro than I have Perry. Go over to the TBJF and see how much hate there is towards those guys as compared to Perry.

For shits sake...

Now this from Dave, I agree with.

[fightingilliniJRNY]

Ever since the stuff with JSS came down, I've seen a lot more vitriol directed towards Frig & Fro than I have Perry.

EXACTLY.

[strangegrey]

Holy fucking shit, Sherrie...you are, arguably, the biggest fucking LOON in the world.

I've made it very clear that I don't hold Perry *singularly* responsible for all this is wrong with Journey. Fucka and Fro have made SIGNIFICANT contribution to this...moreso in the past 10 years than Perry. One could argue that Perry contributed by placing legacl roadblocks in front of Neal and Cain during 98-present...and it's a more academic question to determine whether such an action helped or hurt Journey.

HOWEVER, that's not the point. Get off your fucking high horse about this. If you can't accept the fact that Perry did some damage to this band, I suggest that you and I refrain from talking in the same threads....really. You seem hell bent on making everyone who might feel differently from you, miserable. Are you this emotionally draining around people IRL?

If you think my rancid hatred of Neal and Cain's treatment of Augeri/JSS is eclipsed by some all consuming anger towards Perry, you're smoking crack. They are, all 3, responsible for what's wrong with Journey. That and several people in the home orafice. Namely, that douchebag JT and the asshole at the top, Assoff....who, let me add, is only managing this fucking trainwreck of a band BECAUSE OF PERRY!!!!

Let's dispense with the horseshit. Yes Perry fucked this band...hard...so did Frig and so did Fro.

If that's enough for you to step off your queen bitch loon rhetoric, then I don't what else to tell you....other than, find another fucking thread to emotionally drain someone else...