No Way!!!

[journeyrock]

in fact, i disabled our comments section and stopped adding clips for the sole reason that a nice contingent of "anti-perry impersonators" made concerted efforts to post generalized mean comments about our videos, and even had the graciousness to send me comments personally about what a fat, conceited prick i was for not allowing them to continue posting hateful comments....give me constructive criticism any day, but spite & hate has no place on videos I post to PROMOTE the band...

Good decision.

Jeremey, I just have to say that I have total respect for you and Frontiers and what you do. It is so refreshing to see someone of your stature, that auditioned for Journey come here, speak your mind and tell the truth about this whole worthless configuration of a once great band called Journey.

This post is just to say "Thank you"!

[ohsherrie]

in fact, i disabled our comments section and stopped adding clips for the sole reason that a nice contingent of "anti-perry impersonators" made concerted efforts to post generalized mean comments about our videos, and even had the graciousness to send me comments personally about what a fat, conceited prick i was for not allowing them to continue posting hateful comments....give me constructive criticism any day, but spite & hate has no place on videos I post to PROMOTE the band...

Good decision.

Jeremey, I just have to say that I have total respect for you and Frontiers and what you do. It is so refreshing to see someone of your stature, that auditioned for Journey come here, speak your mind and tell the truth about this whole worthless configuration of a once great band called Journey.

This post is just to say "Thank you"!

Me too. Don't let this shit get to you Jeremey. You've probably got more fans with Frontiers than Frig and Fro have with the actual band they have. Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band. They're no more Journey right now than Frontiers is.

[Rick]

What a jackass! People who happen to think that Journey made the right decision in passing your ass over have as much right to express that as the handful of your groupies who are always on here sucking up to you.

First, you start a blog to spout your sour grapes and now post with this filth because everyone here doesn't think Journey should hire a Perry impersonator. You have absolutely no class or professionalism.

If you can't take criticism, stay off the damn boards.

I didn't know it was possible, but you've just contradicted yourself all in one sentence. I defend Jeremey because I think he was the right choice and WAY better than Arnel. That's NOT sucking up, that's expressing my opinion. Jeremey is the real deal. Arnel? Hack.

[chf34jmac]

Jesus Christ! I better call the president. He said we had the axis of evil referring to the terrorists. Right here on MR we have the axis of really fucking pathetic retards. Froy, Fyre, and nolippin. Get over yourself nolippin, J was giving us some insight into what goes on behind the scenes in the music industry in his blog. No sour grapes there. If Neal welcomed him into the group and then pulled back how is it sour grapes on Jeremey's part when right from the get go Journey started pulling the shit they've been pulling for the last eight and a half years now. You know, new direction (lie), new music (lie). Legacy sound (lie)


And Jeremey is an asshole how? This group of assclowns that you are blindly loyal to keep burning every bridge they go over.

[Saint John]

in fact, i disabled our comments section and stopped adding clips for the sole reason that a nice contingent of "anti-perry impersonators" made concerted efforts to post generalized mean comments about our videos, and even had the graciousness to send me comments personally about what a fat, conceited prick i was for not allowing them to continue posting hateful comments....give me constructive criticism any day, but spite & hate has no place on videos I post to PROMOTE the band...

Good decision.

Jeremey, I just have to say that I have total respect for you and Frontiers and what you do. It is so refreshing to see someone of your stature, that auditioned for Journey come here, speak your mind and tell the truth about this whole worthless configuration of a once great band called Journey.

This post is just to say "Thank you"!

Me too. Don't let this shit get to you Jeremey. You've probably got more fans with Frontiers than Frig and Fro have with the actual band they have. Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band. They're no more [b]Journey right now than Frontiers is.

[/b]



What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

[ohsherrie]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

[Deb]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

Actually Sher, we are usually on the same page, but as much of an ass/idiot Neal is/can be, I'm sure there is still a lot of people that would pay to see him play. I won't buy any new music (that's cuz he screwed over 2 of my favorite singers IMO)....but you can't take anything away from his talent. And as much as I like Jeremey's voice, Neal is still more "Journey" than Jeremey/Frontiers is.

[Saint John]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

Somewhat valid points...congratulations, a first. As for Arnel, he is not now nor will he ever be with Journey.

[Matthew]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

I think a lot of people - in the UK anyway - buy Journey tickets to see Neal Schon live. And why not? He's one of the greatest guitarists who ever lived and no cover band can truly replicate him. Also - Cain and Schon are performing their own material - or at the very least material they made a major contribution to - and this counts for a lot too.

In terms of vocalists you might have a point though, Sherrie. There is no difference in terms of 'authenticity' between Jeremy or the two singers who have performed with the band since Perry.

[Wheels Of Fyre]

Why don't you ask LazzMan that same question? You obviously haven't recognized that THEY started this thread by slamming Arnel.

So you're saying it's OK to slam Arnel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PGQPjIDEA

Not trying to dig up any bones here but, I watched this again and I just can't see it. Nothing against him personally but, I can't believe that "Team Journey" is comfortable with this guy. Good voice, noticeable accent, and NO stage presence at all. His band doesn't help him much though. Man, they fucking suck.

Yeah, that's a real slam.

Now i got something for you, pissant. you come on this board with some idea of getting attention by causing trouble for me, someone who never fucked with you, not even during the height of your bipolar fantasies @ journey recording a latin album, all for the purpose of flicking your little pecker while you sit back and watch the shit you've stirred, right? well, asshole, how does it feel to know that you've been exposed for the attention getting race baiting little sycophant that you are? you're a lonely fucking loser who would rather spend time on the internet playing some imaginary game of tit for tat than spend time with his kids or his wife. you had to create your own message board just to keep from spending time with real fucking people who may look up to you and try to learn from you? how does it feel to have no friends? how does it feel to know that the only attention anyone's gonna pay you is by becoming that lowest, vilest little beast of a troll, posting ridiculous or outrageous things for the sole purpose of getting someone to play with you? for you, my sickly toad of a friend, this imaginary world called the internet begins and ends in your lonely apartment by the flicker of some cobbled together hand me down computer screen...for some of us, this little world actually spills over into real life. some of us have friends that are affected by the filth that runs down your grimey fucking leg. some of us can't understand little pigs like you that have nothing better to do than be the cause celebre for a few brief moments, even if only because of your complete idiocy. retreat back to your little hovel now and meditate on your loneliness, and know that you are done here.

I'd be more impressed with you if you'd address the actual issue and not hide behind some tough guy attitude that you and I both know is a very thin veneer.

I'm not the topic here YOU ARE. You don't know thing one about me so stop trying to drag what you THINK about me into things. It's nothing more than a weak, lame attempt to detour.

I'm not here trying to "cause trouble for you". I'm here stating a FACT. A fact that apparently is too much for you so you go in defense mode and make juvenile statements about me that have absolutely no bearing on the issue or reality.

Listen - YOU have put yourself in the spotlight. You've made yourself a celebrity. If you can't take it that some people don't care for your art (as was glaringly obvious by the lack of attention to your YouTube performances) then you are definitely in the wrong business. I say this from personal experience so I know what I'm talking about. You have to take the good with the bad and show a little grace and sense of humor.

Maybe you'll figure that out when you grow up.

[Rick]

Why don't you ask LazzMan that same question? You obviously haven't recognized that THEY started this thread by slamming Arnel.

So you're saying it's OK to slam Arnel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PGQPjIDEA

Not trying to dig up any bones here but, I watched this again and I just can't see it. Nothing against him personally but, I can't believe that "Team Journey" is comfortable with this guy. Good voice, noticeable accent, and NO stage presence at all. His band doesn't help him much though. Man, they fucking suck.

Yeah, that's a real slam.

Now i got something for you, pissant. you come on this board with some idea of getting attention by causing trouble for me, someone who never fucked with you, not even during the height of your bipolar fantasies @ journey recording a latin album, all for the purpose of flicking your little pecker while you sit back and watch the shit you've stirred, right? well, asshole, how does it feel to know that you've been exposed for the attention getting race baiting little sycophant that you are? you're a lonely fucking loser who would rather spend time on the internet playing some imaginary game of tit for tat than spend time with his kids or his wife. you had to create your own message board just to keep from spending time with real fucking people who may look up to you and try to learn from you? how does it feel to have no friends? how does it feel to know that the only attention anyone's gonna pay you is by becoming that lowest, vilest little beast of a troll, posting ridiculous or outrageous things for the sole purpose of getting someone to play with you? for you, my sickly toad of a friend, this imaginary world called the internet begins and ends in your lonely apartment by the flicker of some cobbled together hand me down computer screen...for some of us, this little world actually spills over into real life. some of us have friends that are affected by the filth that runs down your grimey fucking leg. some of us can't understand little pigs like you that have nothing better to do than be the cause celebre for a few brief moments, even if only because of your complete idiocy. retreat back to your little hovel now and meditate on your loneliness, and know that you are done here.

I'd be more impressed with you if you'd address the actual issue and not hide behind some tough guy attitude that you and I both know is a very thin veneer.

I'm not the topic here YOU ARE. You don't know thing one about me so stop trying to drag what you THINK about me into things. It's nothing more than a weak, lame attempt to detour.

I'm not here trying to "cause trouble for you". I'm here stating a FACT. A fact that apparently is too much for you so you go in defense mode and make juvenile statements about me that have absolutely no bearing on the issue or reality.

Listen - YOU have put yourself in the spotlight. You've made yourself a celebrity. If you can't take it that some people don't care for your art (as was glaringly obvious by the lack of attention to your YouTube performances) then you are definitely in the wrong business. I say this from personal experience so I know what I'm talking about. You have to take the good with the bad and show a little grace and sense of humor.

Maybe you'll figure that out when you grow up.

How do you expect people to react? If you went to Philmusic and bashed Arnel, what do you think the responses there would be? You'd get much worse. You know what you're going to get here when you put down Jeremey, so quit whining about it. You knew you'd get it when you posted what you did.

You're trying your best to push just enough buttons to get banned, so you can go elsewhere and trash Andrew, his site, and some of it's posters, as you've already done.

[texafana]

"As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response."

Well, I'll respond. While J can sing the shite out of the Journey material, the band he performs with is lacking. No way in any shape or form can ANY of the supporting members replicate the Journey material compared to Neal, Ross, Dean, John. Frontiers performances have very little groove and the tempos are always way too fast. The drummer probably is the weakest link. But when it comes to the lead vocal, that's when I'll agree! But c'mon, Neal and Dean can seriously shred and jam!!

[ohsherrie]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

Actually Sher, we are usually on the same page, but as much of an ass/idiot Neal is/can be, I'm sure there is still a lot of people that would pay to see him play. I won't buy any new music (that's cuz he screwed over 2 of my favorite singers IMO)....but you can't take anything away from his talent. And as much as I like Jeremey's voice, Neal is still more "Journey" than Jeremey/Frontiers is.

I understand what you're saying Deb but it's always been all about the vocals to me. I can't really tell the difference between any of the good guitar players. I know Neal's sound because he played on my favorite songs. I thought Lincoln did just as well on the ones they did for the FTLOSM tour though. I also think Barry does a hell of a job on them. Then again, this is coming from someone who didn't even know the name of anyone in the band except Perry for a long time.

[journeyrock]

"As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response."

Well, I'll respond. While J can sing the shite out of the Journey material, the band he performs with is lacking. No way in any shape or form can ANY of the supporting members replicate the Journey material compared to Neal, Ross, Dean, John. Frontiers performances have very little groove and the tempos are always way too fast. The drummer probably is the weakest link. But when it comes to the lead vocal, that's when I'll agree! But c'mon, Neal and Dean can seriously shred and jam!!

And Journey tempos aren't? Wheel in the Sky was always played so fast, even with Perry, he could hardly get the words out, just as one example.

I agree with you on the supporting members comment!

[ohsherrie]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

Somewhat valid points...congratulations, a first. As for Arnel, he is not now nor will he ever be with Journey.

My record of being right is a lot better than yours right now "oh Perry return predictor" . I hope you're right about Arnel though. Or then again maybe I don't even care that much anymore because if it's not either Jeremey or Jeff (I don't even want Perry to fart in their direction again unless they're retiring the name) Frontiers = My Journey.

[Andrew]

Jesus Christ! I better call the president. He said we had the axis of evil referring to the terrorists. Right here on MR we have the axis of really fucking pathetic retards. Froy, Fyre, and nolippin. Get over yourself nolippin, J was giving us some insight into what goes on behind the scenes in the music industry in his blog. No sour grapes there. If Neal welcomed him into the group and then pulled back how is it sour grapes on Jeremey's part when right from the get go Journey started pulling the shit they've been pulling for the last eight and a half years now. You know, new direction (lie), new music (lie). Legacy sound (lie)


And Jeremey is an asshole how? This group of assclowns that you are blindly loyal to keep burning every bridge they go over.

Amen cheif.

A couple of people really need to chill out on this board and pay some due respect.

[Lora]

Now i got something for you, pissant. you come on this board with some idea of getting attention by causing trouble for me, someone who never fucked with you, not even during the height of your bipolar fantasies @ journey recording a latin album, all for the purpose of flicking your little pecker while you sit back and watch the shit you've stirred, right? well, asshole, how does it feel to know that you've been exposed for the attention getting race baiting little sycophant that you are? you're a lonely fucking loser who would rather spend time on the internet playing some imaginary game of tit for tat than spend time with his kids or his wife. you had to create your own message board just to keep from spending time with real fucking people who may look up to you and try to learn from you? how does it feel to have no friends? how does it feel to know that the only attention anyone's gonna pay you is by becoming that lowest, vilest little beast of a troll, posting ridiculous or outrageous things for the sole purpose of getting someone to play with you? for you, my sickly toad of a friend, this imaginary world called the internet begins and ends in your lonely apartment by the flicker of some cobbled together hand me down computer screen...for some of us, this little world actually spills over into real life. some of us have friends that are affected by the filth that runs down your grimey fucking leg. some of us can't understand little pigs like you that have nothing better to do than be the cause celebre for a few brief moments, even if only because of your complete idiocy. retreat back to your little hovel now and meditate on your loneliness, and know that you are done here.

You are accusing this person of posting "filth"? What do you call your tirade above or the one you posted previously:

Fuck you, and fuck your mother, you cocksucking houseboy. There....everybody gets one.

Pot calling kettle black.

[Rick]

Now i got something for you, pissant. you come on this board with some idea of getting attention by causing trouble for me, someone who never fucked with you, not even during the height of your bipolar fantasies @ journey recording a latin album, all for the purpose of flicking your little pecker while you sit back and watch the shit you've stirred, right? well, asshole, how does it feel to know that you've been exposed for the attention getting race baiting little sycophant that you are? you're a lonely fucking loser who would rather spend time on the internet playing some imaginary game of tit for tat than spend time with his kids or his wife. you had to create your own message board just to keep from spending time with real fucking people who may look up to you and try to learn from you? how does it feel to have no friends? how does it feel to know that the only attention anyone's gonna pay you is by becoming that lowest, vilest little beast of a troll, posting ridiculous or outrageous things for the sole purpose of getting someone to play with you? for you, my sickly toad of a friend, this imaginary world called the internet begins and ends in your lonely apartment by the flicker of some cobbled together hand me down computer screen...for some of us, this little world actually spills over into real life. some of us have friends that are affected by the filth that runs down your grimey fucking leg. some of us can't understand little pigs like you that have nothing better to do than be the cause celebre for a few brief moments, even if only because of your complete idiocy. retreat back to your little hovel now and meditate on your loneliness, and know that you are done here.

You are accusing this person of posting "filth"? What do you call your tirade above or the one you posted previously:

Fuck you, and fuck your mother, you cocksucking houseboy. There....everybody gets one.

Pot calling kettle black.

Those two blasts were a long time coming Lora. Jeremey has had to endure Fyre's needling comments for far too long.

[Lora]

Those two blasts were a long time coming Lora. Jeremey has had to endure Fyre's needling comments for far too long.

I hear ya, Rick but someone who puts themselves in the public arena should be able to deal with needling comments in a more professional manner. I've read some of Frye's comments but I don't recall him/her ever resorting to a diatribe of that nature.

[Jeremey]

Fuck you, and fuck your mother, you cocksucking houseboy. There....everybody gets one.

Pot calling kettle black.

Lora...You are saying I am a cocksucking houseboy?

[Jeremey]

Those two blasts were a long time coming Lora. Jeremey has had to endure Fyre's needling comments for far too long.

I hear ya, Rick but someone who puts themselves in the public arena should be able to deal with needling comments in a more professional manner. I've read some of Frye's comments but I don't recall him/her ever resorting to a diatribe of that nature.

Lora, first of all, how "famous" should I be before I should be above defending myself in my own circle of friends? Kind of famous? Part time famous? How do professionals deal with heckling onstage for example? Like, I don't know...If someone threw a bracelet at me or something? I've had plenty of my share of heckling at shows and I've dealt with it directly and nipped it in the bud. Shouldn't be any different in my own online community. This is a place I've called home for a good while. If I was to barge in on a Perry board that openly ragged on me, which there are plenty of, and start calling people names and defending myself, than yeah, that's ridiculous. But I've been a member of this forum for a lot longer than my current screenname indicates, and anyone who decides to take potshots at me out of the blue should fully expect that as a member of this community, I'm going to defend myself. I was RUN OFF this stupid board when my name leaked as the "new lead singer of Journey" back in June. I have nothing to hide behind at this point, and if a FEW posts out of the years I've been here contain a few four letter words, and that's an issue for some, than I'm sorry. Mine eyes have seen a lot worse on this forum over the years.

[stevew2]

I know it is hard, but do notpay attention to these stupid fuckers.Those of us who have met you and have seen you perform know what you are about, and how well you do Journeys music justice, much more than Journey does. Ill support your band ,and what you do,before Journey, or what is let off it

[NealIsGod]

Pot calling kettle black.

No, man kicking moron's ass. Well deserved, too.

[donnaplease]

If these potshots had an ounce of credibility to them, I would tend to agree with Lora somewhat. However, this BS that Fyre's got going here is maddening, and I'm frankly surprised it has taken Jeremey this long to respond. He is not famous, per se, and as a contributing member of this forum, he certainly has the right to defend himself. This whole youtube discussion is the biggest bunch of shit I've seen! I have viewed MANY of Jeremey's youtube clips, but don't feel the need to post a comment on each of them. Jeremey's work speaks for itself. He doesn't need me on the internet saying how great he is. I tell him that by going to his shows!!!! I'd be willing to bet that many of these Arnel supporters wouldn't drive 2 hours to see the Zoo play a show. However there are many of us who have driven that far (and some have traveled much farther!) to see Jeremey perform with Frontiers.

As far as Sherrie's comments go... I understand where she's coming from, I just don't think she expressed it quite how she meant it. Travis & I have often said that as much as we LOVED Jeff Scott Soto in Journey and went to every show we could, when we wanted to hear classic Journey (and that will always be the Steve Perry era for me), we go see Frontiers, because of Jeremey's incredible ability to take us back to that time. It was like the best of both worlds for us. Since Jeff's dismissal, I have had no interest in following Journey, except for the brief time that Jeremey was being considered. NOT because of Journey, but because of Jeremey. He has become a friend to Travis & I, and our support was going to him, not really to the band.

I'm not sure what is going to become of Journey. I am ambivalent about hoping for a reunion with Steve Perry for some of the same reasons that many of you have stated. I am definitely looking forward to more Frontiers shows in the future. As far as this thread goes, I think it's a bunch of bullshit, and Fyre needs to go 'buh-bye' for leading it down this path.

[Rip Rokken]

You're trying your best to push just enough buttons to get banned, so you can go elsewhere and trash Andrew, his site, and some of it's posters, as you've already done.

Right on, Rick -- Fyre, I somewhat enjoyed our exchanges in the "Resurrection" thread, but I ain't digging you here. I've met quite a few people like you in life, and know the type like the back of my hand. You use pure insanity to encite people, because you know most will react to it. That's how you push buttons, and you aren't sincere in your arguments in the least. People like you are incredibly self-centered, and masters of manipulation.

Read his last post and see how much bait he laid in it, just waiting for someone to take it. The best thing anyone can do is strictly ignore people like Fyre, because you are only playing his game by responding to him. Why give him that power over ya?

Jeremey, myself and most others here love ya, and wish you had the job. We're behind you no matter what you do, because you are an incredible talent. Hope to see your band and meet ya someday.

[Andrew]

Fyre won't have to be ignored, as I'll throw his ass out of here if he baits one more person or throws one more insult at Jeremey.

[mistiejourney]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

Actually Sher, we are usually on the same page, but as much of an ass/idiot Neal is/can be, I'm sure there is still a lot of people that would pay to see him play. I won't buy any new music (that's cuz he screwed over 2 of my favorite singers IMO)....but you can't take anything away from his talent. And as much as I like Jeremey's voice, Neal is still more "Journey" than Jeremey/Frontiers is.

It kills me to say it, but Neal really is a fantastic guitarist. And I have a ton of old CDs here that will hold me just fine. He gets no money from my pocket ever again. Not for concerts, not for music, not on iTunes...I can't even bring myself to buy the Soul SirkUS CD (and I am collecting JSS stuff as fast as I can).

I enjoyed sitting up front on Neal's side of the stage and watching him play up close - he's melodic and I never got the impression he was playing to "show off". I'll go as far to say I enjoyed Jon's playing, too, on some of the ballads (Still She Cries...love the piano)

I spent lotsa money and went to lotsa concerts and had good times. I wasn't screwed over. Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto (and almost Jeremy) were screwed over. And that ticks me off big time and I realize that I don't want to support the "Journey" train anymore.

But, they can go on with whom they choose and do whatever they want and some of us will see them, and some of us won't.

I'll dis Neal and Jon until the cows come home, but in good faith I cannot dis the talent.

[ProgRocker53]

Why don't you ask LazzMan that same question? You obviously haven't recognized that THEY started this thread by slamming Arnel.

So you're saying it's OK to slam Arnel?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90PGQPjIDEA

Not trying to dig up any bones here but, I watched this again and I just can't see it. Nothing against him personally but, I can't believe that "Team Journey" is comfortable with this guy. Good voice, noticeable accent, and NO stage presence at all. His band doesn't help him much though. Man, they fucking suck.

Yeah, that's a real slam.

Now i got something for you, pissant. you come on this board with some idea of getting attention by causing trouble for me, someone who never fucked with you, not even during the height of your bipolar fantasies @ journey recording a latin album, all for the purpose of flicking your little pecker while you sit back and watch the shit you've stirred, right? well, asshole, how does it feel to know that you've been exposed for the attention getting race baiting little sycophant that you are? you're a lonely fucking loser who would rather spend time on the internet playing some imaginary game of tit for tat than spend time with his kids or his wife. you had to create your own message board just to keep from spending time with real fucking people who may look up to you and try to learn from you? how does it feel to have no friends? how does it feel to know that the only attention anyone's gonna pay you is by becoming that lowest, vilest little beast of a troll, posting ridiculous or outrageous things for the sole purpose of getting someone to play with you? for you, my sickly toad of a friend, this imaginary world called the internet begins and ends in your lonely apartment by the flicker of some cobbled together hand me down computer screen...for some of us, this little world actually spills over into real life. some of us have friends that are affected by the filth that runs down your grimey fucking leg. some of us can't understand little pigs like you that have nothing better to do than be the cause celebre for a few brief moments, even if only because of your complete idiocy. retreat back to your little hovel now and meditate on your loneliness, and know that you are done here.

[Playitloudforme]

What an absurd thing to say. Collectively, those guys that take the stage for Journey have played on OVER 100 million albums sold. Bad English, with Schon and Cain, (and Deen) landed a #1 hit and a Top 10 single off the first album. You say that "Their fans are all fans of the name, not the band." Why is it then that bad English was successful? Why is it that Neal played on The Hunger...Michael Bolton's remarkably successful album? People are fans of the MUSIC...never a name. As for Frontiers now being as Journey as Journey, the comment is so ridiculous I'll refrain from comments as it warrants no response. What a waste of time that would be.

So does that mean anyone who's saying Frontiers = My Journey is absurd?

I don't care what other projects any of them have worked on, when it comes to playing Journey music I'd rather see Frontiers than the band that Frig and Fro are now touting as Journey.

Do you really think the people who buy tickets to the shows are paying to see Arnel, Frig, Fro, Deen and Ross? Journey music is as much Journey music when Frontiers plays it as when they play it.

Actually Sher, we are usually on the same page, but as much of an ass/idiot Neal is/can be, I'm sure there is still a lot of people that would pay to see him play. I won't buy any new music (that's cuz he screwed over 2 of my favorite singers IMO)....but you can't take anything away from his talent. And as much as I like Jeremey's voice, Neal is still more "Journey" than Jeremey/Frontiers is.

It kills me to say it, but Neal really is a fantastic guitarist. And I have a ton of old CDs here that will hold me just fine. He gets no money from my pocket ever again. Not for concerts, not for music, not on iTunes...I can't even bring myself to buy the Soul SirkUS CD (and I am collecting JSS stuff as fast as I can).

I enjoyed sitting up front on Neal's side of the stage and watching him play up close - he's melodic and I never got the impression he was playing to "show off". I'll go as far to say I enjoyed Jon's playing, too, on some of the ballads (Still She Cries...love the piano)

I spent lotsa money and went to lotsa concerts and had good times. I wasn't screwed over. Steve Augeri and Jeff Scott Soto (and almost Jeremy) were screwed over. And that ticks me off big time and I realize that I don't want to support the "Journey" train anymore.

But, they can go on with whom they choose and do whatever they want and some of us will see them, and some of us won't.

I'll dis Neal and Jon until the cows come home, but in good faith I cannot dis the talent.

Well said. I won't dis the talent either, but the bottom line is, there's too many really excellent guitarists out there that do not treat their fellow band members like kaka. They (the decent guitarists) get my money and time, but Journey current line up no longer deserves it.

[LazzMan]

I'm not the topic here YOU ARE. You don't know thing one about me so stop trying to drag what you THINK about me into things. It's nothing more than a weak, lame attempt to detour.

Actually, I started this post by simply expressing my opinion that I didn't think that Arnel was the right man for the job. If you go back to the beginning, Jeremey's name didn't come up even once. Go ahead, I'll wait. Look. Didn't see it did you? I wasn't comparing Arnel to Jeremey, or anybody else for that matter. You were the one that derailed my simple post and turned it into this nasty thread we see before us.

I'm not here trying to "cause trouble for you". I'm here stating a FACT. A fact that apparently is too much for you so you go in defense mode and make juvenile statements about me that have absolutely no bearing on the issue or reality.

I still don't know what this means. What "facts" are you talking about? YouTube views and comments? You mentioned "stats" in an earlier post. I didn't understand what you meant and you responded to me not by clarifying what you were saying but, instead by offering another insult.

Listen - YOU have put yourself in the spotlight. You've made yourself a celebrity. If you can't take it that some people don't care for your art (as was glaringly obvious by the lack of attention to your YouTube performances) then you are definitely in the wrong business. I say this from personal experience so I know what I'm talking about. You have to take the good with the bad and show a little grace and sense of humor.

Opinions vary but, if you didn't like my opinion (the one I stated when I opened this thread) you could have very simply said so. Instead, you chose to drive in a finishing nail with a sledge hammer and shit all over Jeremey and his supporters. I don't know Jeremey from anyone. He could come up to me on the street and hit me with a brick and I'd still have no idea who he is. The same with Arnel. He could be the nicest guy in the world, a great person, father, husband, whatever. This thread wasn't started around personal attacks but, that's what you've turned it into. You are the one, sir, that needs to demonstrate grace and sense of humor.

Maybe you'll figure that out when you grow up.

Yet another insult. Jeremey was pissed off and he had seen enough from you that he felt compelled to defend himself. Remember, you started this Fyre. Perhaps you should consider growing up.