Jeremey forum update The Dealbreaker

[*Laura]

"Leave that world and come into our world 100%"?

Oh My Gawd. I just now read that blog.... holy fookin' gawd. Now, more than ever, I am convinced, there is no integrity left in this band.

Ditto.


Seriously...That bolded quote sounds like a pact with the Devil. *shudder*

[NealIsGod]

Makes you realize all that warm fuzzy family stuff in the Faithfully video is all bullshit. I don't get it. All they do is play the same songs over and over on tour and release an album every 5 years. I doubt Sabrina would affect anything.

Neal, you got woman issues. Seek help.

[Jeremey]

"Leave that world and come into our world 100%"?

Not sure what to say after reading your blog, Jeremey. This quote makes them sound like a damn cult. One has to wonder which one is the Jim Jones in that bunch. You and Jeff are far better off without them, and if Arnel is indeed the next candidate/victim and follows boards like these, he should start running now.

My impression of that statement was that when we need you, we need you 100%. when we don't need you, you can spend time with your family, etc. which is understandable, trust me. i can completely understand that if my current job wanted me to travel around and be a national account sales rep calling on customers all over new england, they would not want me bringing my family along to do that job. my issue was with the way it was presented, that their impression of my wife over the course of 3 days was so fucked up. we DID have much discussion about going on the road, and trying to make the best of it, and ultimately decided that if i could fly home on long weekends to see the baby and she could come out for a couple weeks at a time, it was do-able & worth the sacrifice. it was only after we made that decision and how it was handled that i realized what a fucked up situation i could have been in. just ask alienc about the electric world sessions and what he missed out on.

i believe i told the band during that meeting "you don't come into my bedroom and tell me how to fuck my wife, and she won't come into your band and tell you how to run your careers."

[strangegrey]

just ask alienc about the electric world sessions and what he missed out on

+1 bazzillion

This is really the heart of the matter. Neal really cares about Neal....no one else. That's why he's had 5 weddings and 5 divorces. In the course of time Neal has been married twice, I've been married once. In the course that Neal has been married 4 times, I've been with the same woman.

Simply put, had Neal actually had empathy for people other than himself or his penis, Steve Perry would still be singing for Journey. That's the simply mornically ironic statement concept behind all of this....that Neal had a problem with a potential singer's wife.....and that family values were the core of problems with why that potential singer wouldn't work out....YET Neal's own family values probably contributed, in significant part, to the fact that he was even LOOKING for a new singer in the first place.

Weird irony....

[Jeremey]

Has that "anonymous message board post" been reposted anywhere? What did it say?

this was what made me realize what i was dealing with. several weeks after we agreed that the band would go ahead and take some time off and figure out what they wanted to do, a post appeared on this forum from someone named RPG63, and the subject of the post was
"Do You Want To Know Why Jeremy Didn't Get The Gig?" and then the post said "His wife blew it for him. She was too pushy."

That could have come from one of about 7 people, and I had a pretty good idea where it came from. At that point I realized how truly fucked up the whole situation was.

[NealIsGod]

Has that "anonymous message board post" been reposted anywhere? What did it say?

this was what made me realize what i was dealing with. several weeks after we agreed that the band would go ahead and take some time off and figure out what they wanted to do, a post appeared on this forum from someone named RPG63, and the subject of the post was
"Do You Want To Know Why Jeremy Didn't Get The Gig?" and then the post said "His wife blew it for him. She was too pushy."

That could have come from one of about 7 people, and I had a pretty good idea where it came from. At that point I realized how truly fucked up the whole situation was.

I remember that. I thought it was just someone trying to stir shit. Sabrina is not pushy, she is the coolest.

[Jeremey]

I remember that. I thought it was just someone trying to stir shit. Sabrina is not pushy, she is the coolest.

Of course she isn't. This was coming from someone who had obvious issues.

[chf34jmac]

If that comment was made by locknload or swallownchoad or whatever he called himself, that would be the midget guitar god himself. (There now nobody can say I dissed his talent)

[ohsherrie]

Has that "anonymous message board post" been reposted anywhere? What did it say?

this was what made me realize what i was dealing with. several weeks after we agreed that the band would go ahead and take some time off and figure out what they wanted to do, a post appeared on this forum from someone named RPG63, and the subject of the post was
"Do You Want To Know Why Jeremy Didn't Get The Gig?" and then the post said "His wife blew it for him. She was too pushy."

That could have come from one of about 7 people, and I had a pretty good idea where it came from. At that point I realized how truly fucked up the whole situation was.

I remember that. I thought it was just someone trying to stir shit. Sabrina is not pushy, she is the coolest.

I remember it too and also thought it was a shit stirrer because there was another hit and run posted here one time that said it was because of his association with the people on this board.

Brina is very sweet.

[JH'sTXfan]

"Leave that world and come into our world 100%"?

Not sure what to say after reading your blog, Jeremey. This quote makes them sound like a damn cult. One has to wonder which one is the Jim Jones in that bunch. You and Jeff are far better off without them, and if Arnel is indeed the next candidate/victim and follows boards like these, he should start running now.

My impression of that statement was that when we need you, we need you 100%. when we don't need you, you can spend time with your family, etc. which is understandable, trust me. i can completely understand that if my current job wanted me to travel around and be a national account sales rep calling on customers all over new england, they would not want me bringing my family along to do that job. my issue was with the way it was presented, that their impression of my wife over the course of 3 days was so fucked up. we DID have much discussion about going on the road, and trying to make the best of it, and ultimately decided that if i could fly home on long weekends to see the baby and she could come out for a couple weeks at a time, it was do-able & worth the sacrifice. it was only after we made that decision and how it was handled that i realized what a fucked up situation i could have been in. just ask alienc about the electric world sessions and what he missed out on.

i believe i told the band during that meeting "you don't come into my bedroom and tell me how to fuck my wife, and she won't come into your band and tell you how to run your careers."

Thanks for the clarification.

[donnaplease]

Having been at a few Frontiers shows, I can say how refreshing it is to see the SUPPORT Sabrina shows for the band. It's evident that they have a solid relationship. Perhaps some of the boys coulda learned something about adult relationships by sitting back and observing (although I understand Ross is happily married~I think he's a cool dude).

After reading all this stuff, it is even more reminiscent of the movie "Rockstar" though, don'tcha think???? I applaud Jeremey for not letting himself get sucked in the way "Chrizzy" did though...

[LazzMan]

"you don't come into my bedroom and tell me how to fuck my wife, and she won't come into your band and tell you how to run your careers."

Good one!!!

[heardonthestreet]

Having been at a few Frontiers shows, I can say how refreshing it is to see the SUPPORT Sabrina shows for the band. It's evident that they have a solid relationship. Perhaps some of the boys coulda learned something about adult relationships by sitting back and observing (although I understand Ross is happily married~I think he's a cool dude).

After reading all this stuff, it is even more reminiscent of the movie "Rockstar" though, don'tcha think???? I applaud Jeremey for not letting himself get sucked in the way "Chrizzy" did though...

Sucked into what? I'm sure that Ross, JSS, Perry and yes, Neal, wouldn't have quailed at the chance they took to have a piece of the pie. Most of them are content and even have their children following in their footsteps.

Bottom line is that a tribute band and it's limitations is no doubt more Jeremey's speed and he just was not cut out to front a big band that demanded he commit to the extent demanded of him, imo.

[ScarabGator]

"Leave that world and come into our world 100%"?

Not sure what to say after reading your blog, Jeremey. This quote makes them sound like a damn cult. One has to wonder which one is the Jim Jones in that bunch. You and Jeff are far better off without them, and if Arnel is indeed the next candidate/victim and follows boards like these, he should start running now.

My impression of that statement was that when we need you, we need you 100%. when we don't need you, you can spend time with your family, etc. which is understandable, trust me. i can completely understand that if my current job wanted me to travel around and be a national account sales rep calling on customers all over new england, they would not want me bringing my family along to do that job. my issue was with the way it was presented, that their impression of my wife over the course of 3 days was so fucked up. we DID have much discussion about going on the road, and trying to make the best of it, and ultimately decided that if i could fly home on long weekends to see the baby and she could come out for a couple weeks at a time, it was do-able & worth the sacrifice. it was only after we made that decision and how it was handled that i realized what a fucked up situation i could have been in. just ask alienc about the electric world sessions and what he missed out on.

i believe i told the band during that meeting "you don't come into my bedroom and tell me how to fuck my wife, and she won't come into your band and tell you how to run your careers."

Jeremey, thats awesome man!!! Hope you dont mind if I use that analogy in some of my real world situations!!! I cant wait to tell my boss that!!!!

[Barb]

Has that "anonymous message board post" been reposted anywhere? What did it say?

Hey Barb! I didn't notice you in that avatar.

LOL -- would love to see Neal attempt that.

[Barb]

the subject of the post was
"Do You Want To Know Why Jeremy Didn't Get The Gig?" and then the post said "His wife blew it for him. She was too pushy."

That could have come from one of about 7 people, and I had a pretty good idea where it came from. At that point I realized how truly fucked up the whole situation was.

Thanks for clarifying that. There is just no doubt that you made the right call.

[Arkansas]

Ya know it's easy to understand the dismay over all of this and jump on the bashing band wagon. However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job. If you want the promotion then you gotta go run the office in Australia for a year, or go train in Prague or Warsaw. This is really nothing new. Also think of all our armed service people spending months & years in Iraq, Afghanistan, or just barracks duty on some Japanese island. Family separation & bad timing happen all the time.

Too bad for JH that he didn't get the Journey gig last year or next year. I've never seen his band, other than YouTube, but I think he'd be great at doing Journey full time.


later~

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[nolippin]

I agree. That blog and all the whining here is burning bridges for you big time.

I’m not trying to slam you -
Just an impression from someone on the outside – Not a fan, or an enemy -
I don't know you, your music, or anything about you, really –
Yet I knew without you saying a word that Journey screwed you over.

I think your blog hurts you. Esp if you’re trying to promote yourself to fans and record companies, etc.

I understand not wanting to be misunderstood, or feeling like you want to defend yourself… But your blog comes off a little whiny – not to mention it might make musicians think twice about hanging out with you…

Sometimes less is more. Restraint is strength.
Taking the high road with a bunch of anonymous baiters - priceless.

JMHO!
All the best to you and your family.

[donnaplease]

Having been at a few Frontiers shows, I can say how refreshing it is to see the SUPPORT Sabrina shows for the band. It's evident that they have a solid relationship. Perhaps some of the boys coulda learned something about adult relationships by sitting back and observing (although I understand Ross is happily married~I think he's a cool dude).

After reading all this stuff, it is even more reminiscent of the movie "Rockstar" though, don'tcha think???? I applaud Jeremey for not letting himself get sucked in the way "Chrizzy" did though...

Sucked into what? I'm sure that Ross, JSS, Perry and yes, Neal, wouldn't have quailed at the chance they took to have a piece of the pie. Most of them are content and even have their children following in their footsteps.

Bottom line is that a tribute band and it's limitations is no doubt more Jeremey's speed and he just was not cut out to front a big band that demanded he commit to the extent demanded of him, imo.

Sucked into 'the life' of a rock star, and letting that persona change the person (devoted husband and father) that Jeremey is. You think NS is content???? After 5 marriages, 5 divorces, and I don't know how many children who haven't had a father at home??? If you've seen the movie I referenced, you should know what I'm talking about. Or are you just looking for a chance to get a dig in on Jeremey?

As for your 'tribute band' comment, I think Jeremey himself is the one who said, "apparently I'm not the guy for you" after being dicked around by TPTB. If that makes him a bigger man than rockstar, then I'm glad to know him all the more.

[nolippin]

Yet, after telling Cain "I may not be the guy for you" he called Cain back the NEXT DAY and told him that he may have been too hasty and overreacted. That's when Journey said thanks but no thanks.

NO PROFESSIONAL is going to bring their spouse into an audition and allow them to be questioning the band. That's what the deja'vu comments were about, but apparently they went over his head.

Having been at a few Frontiers shows, I can say how refreshing it is to see the SUPPORT Sabrina shows for the band. It's evident that they have a solid relationship. Perhaps some of the boys coulda learned something about adult relationships by sitting back and observing (although I understand Ross is happily married~I think he's a cool dude).

After reading all this stuff, it is even more reminiscent of the movie "Rockstar" though, don'tcha think???? I applaud Jeremey for not letting himself get sucked in the way "Chrizzy" did though...

Sucked into what? I'm sure that Ross, JSS, Perry and yes, Neal, wouldn't have quailed at the chance they took to have a piece of the pie. Most of them are content and even have their children following in their footsteps.

Bottom line is that a tribute band and it's limitations is no doubt more Jeremey's speed and he just was not cut out to front a big band that demanded he commit to the extent demanded of him, imo.

Sucked into 'the life' of a rock star, and letting that persona change the person (devoted husband and father) that Jeremey is. You think NS is content???? After 5 marriages, 5 divorces, and I don't know how many children who haven't had a father at home??? If you've seen the movie I referenced, you should know what I'm talking about. Or are you just looking for a chance to get a dig in on Jeremey?

As for your 'tribute band' comment, I think Jeremey himself is the one who said, "apparently I'm not the guy for you" after being dicked around by TPTB. If that makes him a bigger man than rockstar, then I'm glad to know him all the more.

[Moon Beam]

Hey nolippin and lifer just a thought or two from me here.......

I don't think Jeremey has blogged or shared on any of this to
improve his image.
He formed friendships with many cyberly and otherwise before, during and after
the audition.

He clearly has class and for whatever reason isn't the lead singer
for this band at the moment.

By the way I don't recall him naming either of you as his managers.
Haven't you seen enough negativity in posts to know when your
only adding fuel to the oil fire?

Sorry I seem so sternly about this but I really do think that if
Jeremey's wife was an issue for Mr Schon, so be it and it's unfortunate.
He may be clouded by what is his own female past.
His opinion I think gets the most regard when it comes to decisions like this.

[Escape Artist]

I agree. That blog and all the whining here is burning bridges for you big time.

[/quote]

Burning bridges with who?? Journey? Neal? Jon? Irving Azhoff?

I suspect Jeremey doesn't care... his family is more important than a washed up band and a couple of delusional, self serving assholes who only care about themselves and $$$

He has integrity and as a family man myself has earned much respect from me.

Good for him, everyone should know that Journey is not to be respected for their unproffesional behaviors, they are gonna be a laughing stock in the music industry from here on out.

[Playitloudforme]

Considering that a wife is a LIFE PARTNER ... one would think that that person SHOULD have input as to what their partner is undertaking. His bringing his wife to the audition is not a matter of being professional or unprofessional. She was a person of support. Had it been his best friend, I wonder if there would have been as much grief given, eh?

**edited here to add this part** and if it was such a big deal, why didn't they ask Sabrina to wait outside? If it's that "unprofessional" to bring a spouse, then why was she given access to the audition? Not buyin it dude.

The only ones looking UNPROFESSIONAL are Jon, Neal, Ross, Deen and Azoff.

[nolippin]

He's burning bridges with any band, record label, or management who might consider him. If they auditioned him, and he didn't get the gig, this is how he would react...by telling all their business and bashing them on the internet.

If the "leave that world and come into this one 100%" was the deal with the devil he now wants us to believe, why did he call Cain back the NEXT DAY and tell him he had been too hasty and overreacted?

No, Moonbeam, a person with class would NEVER do what Jeremey has done here. I agree that this board has seen enough negativity and bashing. Andrew has repeatedly asked that the Journey and Arnel bashing stop. Jeremey should have enough respect for Andrew and this board to honor that request. His blog has a comment feature. Discussions should be had there...not brought here.

[JH'sTXfan]

If the "leave that world and come into this one 100%" was the deal with the devil he now wants us to believe, why did he call Cain back the NEXT DAY and tell him he had been too hasty and overreacted?

Jeremey explained the 100% deal as just them meaning that when he was working, he was needed 100%. He clarified that and said he didn't blame them. Several of us had misunderstood that at first, someone else called it a "deal with the devil". He's not the one who said that.

[nolippin]

The wife's input should come privately with Jeremey AFTER an offer has been made. It was not her place to be involved in discussions with the band about anything.

Considering that a wife is a LIFE PARTNER ... one would think that that person SHOULD have input as to what their partner is undertaking. His bringing his wife to the audition is not a matter of being professional or unprofessional. She was a person of support. Had it been his best friend, I wonder if there would have been as much grief given, eh?

**edited here to add this part** and if it was such a big deal, why didn't they ask Sabrina to wait outside? If it's that "unprofessional" to bring a spouse, then why was she given access to the audition? Not buyin it dude.

The only ones looking UNPROFESSIONAL are Jon, Neal, Ross, Deen and Azoff.

[Playitloudforme]

The wife's input should come privately with Jeremey AFTER an offer has been made. It was not her place to be involved in discussions with the band about anything.

Then they should have requested she not be there during the audition. I go to auditions. Some don't mind if others are in, others do. Whomever was running it should have spoken up prior to the audition taking place, not grill him over the coals after the fact. And again, in either case, is wife definitely has input into what happens to her husband and his career. She's giving up a huge chuck of their time together.

The problem is, the discussion is happening HERE, on this forum, which isn't what Journey wants, because it's very visible, unlike Jeremey's blog, which would have limited views. And this has zip to do with Arnel at this point. We reserve the right to disagree with this band's choices. And be vocal about it. God bless the internet.

[nolippin]

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

The wife's input should come privately with Jeremey AFTER an offer has been made. It was not her place to be involved in discussions with the band about anything.

Then they should have requested she not be there during the audition. I go to auditions. Some don't mind if others are in, others do. Whomever was running it should have spoken up prior to the audition taking place, not grill him over the coals after the fact. And again, in either case, is wife definitely has input into what happens to her husband and his career. She's giving up a huge chuck of their time together.

The problem is, the discussion is happening HERE, on this forum, which isn't what Journey wants, because it's very visible, unlike Jeremey's blog, which would have limited views. And this has zip to do with Arnel at this point. We reserve the right to disagree with this band's choices. And be vocal about it. God bless the internet.

[Playitloudforme]

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.