Jeremey forum update The Dealbreaker

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[nolippin]

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

[Playitloudforme]

.... ya know... have your opinion. I don't agree. Enough said.

[m]

.... ya know... have your opinion. I don't agree. Enough said.

[donnaplease]

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would through up red flags with any band.

How do you know this? I read in the blog that she was invited to come along with him, that they wanted to 'break bread'... I guess it could be perceived either way.

[Playitloudforme]

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would through up red flags with any band.

How do you know this? I read in the blog that she was invited to come along with him, that they wanted to 'break bread'... I guess it could be perceived either way.

Also that she was calming him down as he auditioned....

[nolippin]

"Breaking bread" usually means sharing a meal. Seems to me that it was gracious for the band to allow her to come along for the trip, but involving herself in the discussions was definitly too pushy. This wasn't some weekend gig that he was going to be playing.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would through up red flags with any band.

How do you know this? I read in the blog that she was invited to come along with him, that they wanted to 'break bread'... I guess it could be perceived either way.

[nolippin]

Oh, come on...that made him seem even more unprofessional. What? He's never auditioned before?

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would through up red flags with any band.

How do you know this? I read in the blog that she was invited to come along with him, that they wanted to 'break bread'... I guess it could be perceived either way.

Also that she was calming him down as he auditioned....

[donnaplease]

"Breaking bread" usually means sharing a meal. Seems to me that it was gracious for the band to allow her to come along for the trip, but involving herself in the discussions was definitly too pushy. This wasn't some weekend gig that he was going to be playing.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would through up red flags with any band.

How do you know this? I read in the blog that she was invited to come along with him, that they wanted to 'break bread'... I guess it could be perceived either way.

I know what 'breaking bread' means. I'm just saying that she was invited on this trip. Are you suggesting that she should've been the 'trophy' wife, seen but not heard? To my knowledge (or at least at all the shows I've been to), Sabrina has been a very visible part of the group. How do you know someone didn't ask her, "do you have any questions?" or "so what do you think so far?". I've certainly had experiences where people ask for my input, then get offended when I actually give it. Just wondering if that's possible here...

[Playitloudforme]

Oh, come on...that made him seem even more unprofessional. What? He's never auditioned before?

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would through up red flags with any band.

How do you know this? I read in the blog that she was invited to come along with him, that they wanted to 'break bread'... I guess it could be perceived either way.

Also that she was calming him down as he auditioned....

For a major band? Don't think so. Bottom line is, nolippin, we don't frickin agree. Leave it at that. If they had a problem with her being there, they had the power to ask her to leave. They didn't. This band is not a group of adolescents, but of men. Trust me, girls do NOT, I repeat, NOT have cooties. They could have asked her to leave.

And now, I'm getting back to REAL LIFE...cause this discussion is fruitless.

[Aaron]

Dude,

You clearly made the right decision. What a bunch of juvenile dickheads. Your perspective is spot on and it's hard to believe that Journey actually operate that way.

L8r bro,

Aaron

"Leave that world and come into our world 100%"?

Not sure what to say after reading your blog, Jeremey. This quote makes them sound like a damn cult. One has to wonder which one is the Jim Jones in that bunch. You and Jeff are far better off without them, and if Arnel is indeed the next candidate/victim and follows boards like these, he should start running now.

My impression of that statement was that when we need you, we need you 100%. when we don't need you, you can spend time with your family, etc. which is understandable, trust me. i can completely understand that if my current job wanted me to travel around and be a national account sales rep calling on customers all over new england, they would not want me bringing my family along to do that job. my issue was with the way it was presented, that their impression of my wife over the course of 3 days was so fucked up. we DID have much discussion about going on the road, and trying to make the best of it, and ultimately decided that if i could fly home on long weekends to see the baby and she could come out for a couple weeks at a time, it was do-able & worth the sacrifice. it was only after we made that decision and how it was handled that i realized what a fucked up situation i could have been in. just ask alienc about the electric world sessions and what he missed out on.

i believe i told the band during that meeting "you don't come into my bedroom and tell me how to fuck my wife, and she won't come into your band and tell you how to run your careers."

[heardonthestreet]

It would appear that the guys in the band knew what they were doing when they invited the wife to the audition. Best to know up front what they will be dealing with. Smart business move, imo.

No, I'm not trying to get digs in towards Jeremey. It's how I view this business and since he has seen fit to post all this business here, I would expect that he would be open to everyone's take on it.

[Jeremey]

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited.

I agree, I'd rather have comments posted on my blogsite rather than here. I didn't bring this link here, and I didn't start this thread.

[AR]

It would appear that the guys in the band knew what they were doing when they invited the wife to the audition. Best to know up front what they will be dealing with. Smart business move, imo.

No, I'm not trying to get digs in towards Jeremey. It's how I view this business and since he has seen fit to post all this business here, I would expect that he would be open to everyone's take on it.

But if you knew Sabrina you would realize she's a great person. The 2 lecherous members controlling this dying band have no conception of what a true relationship and family means.

[nolippin]

Right, she was invited ON THE TRIP. She over stepped her bounds when she started participating in the discussions. It's got nothing to do with being a trophy wife. If she had questions, the professional thing to do would have been to direct those questions to Jeremey PRIVATELY and allow him to approach the band with them.

"Breaking bread" usually means sharing a meal. Seems to me that it was gracious for the band to allow her to come along for the trip, but involving herself in the discussions was definitly too pushy. This wasn't some weekend gig that he was going to be playing.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would through up red flags with any band.

How do you know this? I read in the blog that she was invited to come along with him, that they wanted to 'break bread'... I guess it could be perceived either way.

I know what 'breaking bread' means. I'm just saying that she was invited on this trip. Are you suggesting that she should've been the 'trophy' wife, seen but not heard? To my knowledge (or at least at all the shows I've been to), Sabrina has been a very visible part of the group. How do you know someone didn't ask her, "do you have any questions?" or "so what do you think so far?". I've certainly had experiences where people ask for my input, then get offended when I actually give it. Just wondering if that's possible here...

[Jeremey]

Right, she was invited ON THE TRIP. She over stepped her bounds when she started participating in the discussions. It's got nothing to do with being a trophy wife. If she had questions, the professional thing to do would have been to direct those questions to Jeremey PRIVATELY and allow him to approach the band with them.

The bottom line is you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[Jeremey]

It would appear that the guys in the band knew what they were doing when they invited the wife to the audition. Best to know up front what they will be dealing with. Smart business move, imo.

Woah! You're a genius!

[m]

Right, she was invited ON THE TRIP. She over stepped her bounds when she started participating in the discussions. It's got nothing to do with being a trophy wife. If she had questions, the professional thing to do would have been to direct those questions to Jeremey PRIVATELY and allow him to approach the band with them.

The bottom line is you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

[nolippin]

I know enough to see that you are contradicting yourself.

By your own account, you called Jon Cain BACK the day after they made the "join us 100%" comment and told him that you may have overreacted. Now you want us to believe that you turned them down because you are such a family man. BULLSHIT! They called your bluff and now you're whining about it all over the internet. You have proven them to be right. You weren't cut out for the job.

Damn, dude, let it go and move on before you ruin your chances with any professional outfit. This could have been an opportunity for more exposure for you after having been auditioned by a major band, but instead you have blown it by starting some tell all blog and running your mouth.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited.

I agree, I'd rather have comments posted on my blogsite rather than here. I didn't bring this link here, and I didn't start this thread.

[donnaplease]

Right, she was invited ON THE TRIP. She over stepped her bounds when she started participating in the discussions. It's got nothing to do with being a trophy wife. If she had questions, the professional thing to do would have been to direct those questions to Jeremey PRIVATELY and allow him to approach the band with them.

Were you there??? Did you witness her overstep her bounds? Have you ever met Jeremey or Sabrina???? Certainly, I wasn't there, therefore I didn't witness anything. But, I have personally met Jeremey and Sabrina, and I think she's a great woman who has a very close relationship with her husband at a time in their lives when they were especially close (the impending birth of their first child).

Jeremey himself stated that they explained why they were weirded out by it all. He further stated that they discussed it as a family, and came to a compromised conclusion. Apparently it was good enough for them as they offered him the job. What happened after that is anyone's guess. Some think it's cause NS found Arnel. Some say it's Steve Perry. Others say NS is just a major dickweed. IDK.

All I'm saying is that there's enough room in this story for speculation either way. You, however, are stating this as fact. If you have proof to back this up, please produce it. Otherwise, it's useless to keep discussing it.

[Onestepper]

I think you need to go back and re-read why Jeremy made that call to Cain in the first place..its on his blog..I'd suggest reading it, cause it pretty much makes clear why the call was made. Its really not that tough to follow the dots if you just pay attention.

As far as the other part about him burning bridges..please. Jeremy in 3 or 4 blog posts has provided more information to a huge fan base than any other person in history of this band. They have managed to keep themselves hidden under a mind bending shroud for 20+ years, and it has cost them millions of fans and dollars. And he's done it while admitting mistakes and shortcomings. That is a rare treat.

I credit him for putting his life out there for all to see, and yes to criticize. He has shown more guts than any other member of that franchise (past and present), and I do not believe it has any negative impact on him or his career. He is not the one that has alienated.

Please just go away.

I know enough to see that you are contradicting yourself.

By your own account, you called Jon Cain BACK the day after they made the "join us 100%" comment and told him that you may have overreacted. Now you want us to believe that you turned them down because you are such a family man. BULLSHIT! They called your bluff and now you're whining about it all over the internet. You have proven them to be right. You weren't cut out for the job.

Damn, dude, let it go and move on before you ruin your chances with any professional outfit. This could have been an opportunity for more exposure for you after having been auditioned by a major band, but instead you have blown it by starting some tell all blog and running your mouth.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited.

I agree, I'd rather have comments posted on my blogsite rather than here. I didn't bring this link here, and I didn't start this thread.

[nolippin]

Were you there? NO.

I'm going by what Jeremey is saying himself. It doesn't matter how nice the lady may be...she had NO business in discussions with the band.

Right, she was invited ON THE TRIP. She over stepped her bounds when she started participating in the discussions. It's got nothing to do with being a trophy wife. If she had questions, the professional thing to do would have been to direct those questions to Jeremey PRIVATELY and allow him to approach the band with them.

Were you there??? Did you witness her overstep her bounds? Have you ever met Jeremey or Sabrina???? Certainly, I wasn't there, therefore I didn't witness anything. But, I have personally met Jeremey and Sabrina, and I think she's a great woman who has a very close relationship with her husband at a time in their lives when they were especially close (the impending birth of their first child).

Jeremey himself stated that they explained why they were weirded out by it all. He further stated that they discussed it as a family, and came to a compromised conclusion. Apparently it was good enough for them as they offered him the job. What happened after that is anyone's guess. Some think it's cause NS found Arnel. Some say it's Steve Perry. Others say NS is just a major dickweed. IDK.

All I'm saying is that there's enough room in this story for speculation either way. You, however, are stating this as fact. If you have proof to back this up, please produce it. Otherwise, it's useless to keep discussing it.

[nolippin]

I have read it. I can assure you that many others are reading it as well. He called Jon Cain back to reopen negotiations, but he had already blown it. Now he's bitter.

The fact that he's taking that bitterness to the internet proves how unprofessional that he is. What you consider a "rare treat" is nothing more than gossip being spewed by someone who was passed over.

I think you need to go back and re-read why Jeremy made that call to Cain in the first place..its on his blog..I'd suggest reading it, cause it pretty much makes clear why the call was made. Its really not that tough to follow the dots if you just pay attention.

As far as the other part about him burning bridges..please. Jeremy in 3 or 4 blog posts has provided more information to a huge fan base than any other person in history of this band. They have managed to keep themselves hidden under a mind bending shroud for 20+ years, and it has cost them millions of fans and dollars. And he's done it while admitting mistakes and shortcomings. That is a rare treat.

I credit him for putting his life out there for all to see, and yes to criticize. He has shown more guts than any other member of that franchise (past and present), and I do not believe it has any negative impact on him or his career. He is not the one that has alienated.

Please just go away.

I know enough to see that you are contradicting yourself.

By your own account, you called Jon Cain BACK the day after they made the "join us 100%" comment and told him that you may have overreacted. Now you want us to believe that you turned them down because you are such a family man. BULLSHIT! They called your bluff and now you're whining about it all over the internet. You have proven them to be right. You weren't cut out for the job.

Damn, dude, let it go and move on before you ruin your chances with any professional outfit. This could have been an opportunity for more exposure for you after having been auditioned by a major band, but instead you have blown it by starting some tell all blog and running your mouth.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited.

I agree, I'd rather have comments posted on my blogsite rather than here. I didn't bring this link here, and I didn't start this thread.

[Clasicrockldy]

Were you there? NO.

I'm going by what Jeremey is saying himself. It doesn't matter how nice the lady may be...she had NO business in discussions with the band.

Shut the fuck up, nolippin'. You weren't there, and who is to say that she didn't have any business in the discussions with the band? You? Fuck off. What was being discussed would of affected her life big time. And the life of their child. This was a big life altering decision, and I am glad that Jeremey and Sabrina were there to discuss this with the band. Life altering decisions and discussions should be made as a "couple", not alone. And if the band had any problems with it, then they should of said beforehand, no spouses present.


nolippin,you are a fucking prick. Just go away.

[donnaplease]

Were you there? NO.

I'm going by what Jeremey is saying himself. It doesn't matter how nice the lady may be...she had NO business in discussions with the band.

Right, she was invited ON THE TRIP. She over stepped her bounds when she started participating in the discussions. It's got nothing to do with being a trophy wife. If she had questions, the professional thing to do would have been to direct those questions to Jeremey PRIVATELY and allow him to approach the band with them.

Were you there??? Did you witness her overstep her bounds? Have you ever met Jeremey or Sabrina???? Certainly, I wasn't there, therefore I didn't witness anything. But, I have personally met Jeremey and Sabrina, and I think she's a great woman who has a very close relationship with her husband at a time in their lives when they were especially close (the impending birth of their first child).

Jeremey himself stated that they explained why they were weirded out by it all. He further stated that they discussed it as a family, and came to a compromised conclusion. Apparently it was good enough for them as they offered him the job. What happened after that is anyone's guess. Some think it's cause NS found Arnel. Some say it's Steve Perry. Others say NS is just a major dickweed. IDK.

All I'm saying is that there's enough room in this story for speculation either way. You, however, are stating this as fact. If you have proof to back this up, please produce it. Otherwise, it's useless to keep discussing it.

Now you're just being a jerk. If you are actually READING this stuff, which apparently you aren't, you wouldn't have had to ask that question. I said very plainly that I wasn't there. She is his wife. She was invited there. Of course she had a right to ask questions. If they didn't like it, it was their choice to handle it however they wanted. He hadn't been offered the job... yet. The fact that he was offered the job after they had returned home tells me that it was a resolved issue before they left. JMO.

Speaking of questions, you didn't answer mine. Your response was answer enough though. You're just another one of these folks that wants to make people think you have all the answers, when in reality you have none. And I'm done debating you.

[ProgRocker53]

From what I can see from the two different sides....

It's people who have never met Jeremey and don't know the man behind the madness, arguing with those who have met Jeremey and know what kinda fella he is.

Unfortunately I've never met Jeremey, but I can tell from the warm, glowing receptions that other people have given him.. that Jeremey's statements are quite believable.

Jeremey, like so many others I applaud you for not "drinking the kool-aid" and hopping on the sinking ship. More power to you and your family, bud!

[Onestepper]

That would be YOUR opinion. Which you've previously proven to be lacking of qualified info. Think I'll defer to the person that was actually there.

Move on with your bitter self.

I have read it. I can assure you that many others are reading it as well. He called Jon Cain back to reopen negotiations, but he had already blown it. Now he's bitter.

The fact that he's taking that bitterness to the internet proves how unprofessional that he is. What you consider a "rare treat" is nothing more than gossip being spewed by someone who was passed over.

I think you need to go back and re-read why Jeremy made that call to Cain in the first place..its on his blog..I'd suggest reading it, cause it pretty much makes clear why the call was made. Its really not that tough to follow the dots if you just pay attention.

As far as the other part about him burning bridges..please. Jeremy in 3 or 4 blog posts has provided more information to a huge fan base than any other person in history of this band. They have managed to keep themselves hidden under a mind bending shroud for 20+ years, and it has cost them millions of fans and dollars. And he's done it while admitting mistakes and shortcomings. That is a rare treat.

I credit him for putting his life out there for all to see, and yes to criticize. He has shown more guts than any other member of that franchise (past and present), and I do not believe it has any negative impact on him or his career. He is not the one that has alienated.

Please just go away.

I know enough to see that you are contradicting yourself.

By your own account, you called Jon Cain BACK the day after they made the "join us 100%" comment and told him that you may have overreacted. Now you want us to believe that you turned them down because you are such a family man. BULLSHIT! They called your bluff and now you're whining about it all over the internet. You have proven them to be right. You weren't cut out for the job.

Damn, dude, let it go and move on before you ruin your chances with any professional outfit. This could have been an opportunity for more exposure for you after having been auditioned by a major band, but instead you have blown it by starting some tell all blog and running your mouth.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited.

I agree, I'd rather have comments posted on my blogsite rather than here. I didn't bring this link here, and I didn't start this thread.

[Voyager]

All I can say to Jeremey is this: What seemed like misfortune at the time was really a gift from God. You are lucky to have been spared from being the fourth frontman of Journey.

Good luck to the new singer from Manila, because he's going to need it. The 2008 Journey tour may end up being dubbed "Manila Vanilla".

[nolippin]

I have as much right to my opinion as you. When it is time for me to move on, that will be decided by the board admin...not someone with 7 posts.

That would be YOUR opinion. Which you've previously proven to be lacking of qualified info. Think I'll defer to the person that was actually there.

Move on with your bitter self.

I have read it. I can assure you that many others are reading it as well. He called Jon Cain back to reopen negotiations, but he had already blown it. Now he's bitter.

The fact that he's taking that bitterness to the internet proves how unprofessional that he is. What you consider a "rare treat" is nothing more than gossip being spewed by someone who was passed over.

I think you need to go back and re-read why Jeremy made that call to Cain in the first place..its on his blog..I'd suggest reading it, cause it pretty much makes clear why the call was made. Its really not that tough to follow the dots if you just pay attention.

As far as the other part about him burning bridges..please. Jeremy in 3 or 4 blog posts has provided more information to a huge fan base than any other person in history of this band. They have managed to keep themselves hidden under a mind bending shroud for 20+ years, and it has cost them millions of fans and dollars. And he's done it while admitting mistakes and shortcomings. That is a rare treat.

I credit him for putting his life out there for all to see, and yes to criticize. He has shown more guts than any other member of that franchise (past and present), and I do not believe it has any negative impact on him or his career. He is not the one that has alienated.

Please just go away.

I know enough to see that you are contradicting yourself.

By your own account, you called Jon Cain BACK the day after they made the "join us 100%" comment and told him that you may have overreacted. Now you want us to believe that you turned them down because you are such a family man. BULLSHIT! They called your bluff and now you're whining about it all over the internet. You have proven them to be right. You weren't cut out for the job.

Damn, dude, let it go and move on before you ruin your chances with any professional outfit. This could have been an opportunity for more exposure for you after having been auditioned by a major band, but instead you have blown it by starting some tell all blog and running your mouth.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited.

I agree, I'd rather have comments posted on my blogsite rather than here. I didn't bring this link here, and I didn't start this thread.

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Jeremey, like so many others I applaud you for not "drinking the kool-aid" and hopping on the sinking ship. More power to you and your family, bud!

Amen.