Jeremey forum update The Dealbreaker

[Onestepper]

Yes, you do have a right to your opinion. However, when that opinion is proven to be uninformed..it lessons one's credibility to make statements like you were making. I don't need 400+ posts to understand that.

I have as much right to my opinion as you. When it is time for me to move on, that will be decided by the board admin...not someone with 7 posts.

That would be YOUR opinion. Which you've previously proven to be lacking of qualified info. Think I'll defer to the person that was actually there.

Move on with your bitter self.

I have read it. I can assure you that many others are reading it as well. He called Jon Cain back to reopen negotiations, but he had already blown it. Now he's bitter.

The fact that he's taking that bitterness to the internet proves how unprofessional that he is. What you consider a "rare treat" is nothing more than gossip being spewed by someone who was passed over.

I think you need to go back and re-read why Jeremy made that call to Cain in the first place..its on his blog..I'd suggest reading it, cause it pretty much makes clear why the call was made. Its really not that tough to follow the dots if you just pay attention.

As far as the other part about him burning bridges..please. Jeremy in 3 or 4 blog posts has provided more information to a huge fan base than any other person in history of this band. They have managed to keep themselves hidden under a mind bending shroud for 20+ years, and it has cost them millions of fans and dollars. And he's done it while admitting mistakes and shortcomings. That is a rare treat.

I credit him for putting his life out there for all to see, and yes to criticize. He has shown more guts than any other member of that franchise (past and present), and I do not believe it has any negative impact on him or his career. He is not the one that has alienated.

Please just go away.

I know enough to see that you are contradicting yourself.

By your own account, you called Jon Cain BACK the day after they made the "join us 100%" comment and told him that you may have overreacted. Now you want us to believe that you turned them down because you are such a family man. BULLSHIT! They called your bluff and now you're whining about it all over the internet. You have proven them to be right. You weren't cut out for the job.

Damn, dude, let it go and move on before you ruin your chances with any professional outfit. This could have been an opportunity for more exposure for you after having been auditioned by a major band, but instead you have blown it by starting some tell all blog and running your mouth.

The difference here is that Jeremey's wife was NOT invited into the discusssions, but joined in anyway. That would throw up red flags with any band.

You missed the point. The wife didn't just attend the audition. She was asking questions during the discussions with the band. No. That is never OK, and you should know that. Her questions and input should have come with Jeremey PRIVATELY AFTER an offer had been made.

Don't agree there. This isn't a casual girlfriend, it was his wife.
Case in point, I was offered the management of a studio years ago. I was invited to the discussion, along with my husband, because... he would be directly affected by the discussion. It was a full hour away from where he worked and we lived, and would have meant that we'd barely see each other. It was very much a discussion that required his input as well.

But then hey.. I put family first.

What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited.

I agree, I'd rather have comments posted on my blogsite rather than here. I didn't bring this link here, and I didn't start this thread.

[nolippin]

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Were you there? NO.

I'm going by what Jeremey is saying himself. It doesn't matter how nice the lady may be...she had NO business in discussions with the band.

Right, she was invited ON THE TRIP. She over stepped her bounds when she started participating in the discussions. It's got nothing to do with being a trophy wife. If she had questions, the professional thing to do would have been to direct those questions to Jeremey PRIVATELY and allow him to approach the band with them.

Were you there??? Did you witness her overstep her bounds? Have you ever met Jeremey or Sabrina???? Certainly, I wasn't there, therefore I didn't witness anything. But, I have personally met Jeremey and Sabrina, and I think she's a great woman who has a very close relationship with her husband at a time in their lives when they were especially close (the impending birth of their first child).

Jeremey himself stated that they explained why they were weirded out by it all. He further stated that they discussed it as a family, and came to a compromised conclusion. Apparently it was good enough for them as they offered him the job. What happened after that is anyone's guess. Some think it's cause NS found Arnel. Some say it's Steve Perry. Others say NS is just a major dickweed. IDK.

All I'm saying is that there's enough room in this story for speculation either way. You, however, are stating this as fact. If you have proof to back this up, please produce it. Otherwise, it's useless to keep discussing it.

Now you're just being a jerk. If you are actually READING this stuff, which apparently you aren't, you wouldn't have had to ask that question. I said very plainly that I wasn't there. She is his wife. She was invited there. Of course she had a right to ask questions. If they didn't like it, it was their choice to handle it however they wanted. He hadn't been offered the job... yet. The fact that he was offered the job after they had returned home tells me that it was a resolved issue before they left. JMO.

Speaking of questions, you didn't answer mine. Your response was answer enough though. You're just another one of these folks that wants to make people think you have all the answers, when in reality you have none. And I'm done debating you.

[heardonthestreet]

"What do you know about anything? My wife was invited on the trip as a sort of "babymoon," a chance for us to spend some time together alone and with the band for a week shortly before the birth of our child. Time was scheduled for us to be together with the band as well as time together away from the band. As for the audition, Jon's wife, his 3 children and close friends, Neal's girlfriend, along with about 15 other people aside from management were there for the audition. And there weren't any "private discussions" with the band where my wife was present, she spent 3 days alone by the hotel pool, and I ALWAYS double checked if it was okay for her to be present. We all spent the week hanging out. Dinners with bandmembers and their wives, long drives with management people, time spent at the warehouse bullshitting with other band associates, friends, wives and girlfriends. She was nowhere she shouldn't have been or wasn't invited."


Wow Jeremey! That sounds like an exciting and dreamy existence. No doubt you and your wife would have met musicians that you only hear about. I do appreciate the fact that it might not have been for you though but it's too bad that you couldn't have maintained an acquaintance with them, or maybe you did? It would have been great if you had taken pictures with the gang. Glad you have some great memories though.

[texafana]

I'm kind of flip flopping on my views....Frontiers will last as long as J wants it to, but if he gets the chance to perform/record with Journey, fkin do it!!! Maybe not for a lloonngg time, but hell, there has to be SOME ego involved here, the desire to perform in front of 10-30 thousand screaming fans???? Just the thrill of doing it a few times, man....what a rush that would be?

[donnaplease]

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Is your other name Fyre by chance...?

[Clasicrockldy]

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Listen, dumbfuck. Jeremey said it all in his blog. READ THE BLOG, then you will see what went on. If other family members of the band were there, with kids, when discussions and auditions were going on, then why should Sabrina be left out? You are the most fucking idiotic person. The only fallout, or shit that is going on, is coming from YOU!

And if you call what Jeremey did unprofessional, then Frick and Frack were unprofessional too, your moron! Go have your eyes checked.

Then go climb into that slime infested hole you came out of.

[mistiejourney]

Holy shit.

Yeah, that's right. (Ummmm what are you talking about?)

That was my reaction to what I read in that blog. Capital Holy, Capital Shit.

I can't say it any better than that - in fact I did say it about ten times while I was reading the post!

I have read enough. Neal Schon is an asshole of the worst type. Neal HAS BEEN DIVORCED FOUR TIMES - and HE is telling someone what sort of relationship to have with his wife? Now we may have some insight into why he has been married four times. Doesn't sound like he has much respect for women, period.

And SP gets criticized for trying to have a relationship and be on the road? No wonder this band is so screwed. Who made "Journey" think they were such hot stuff that they could dictate a man's family life? Have him agree to sell his soul, his marriage and the memories of his first baby for the "honor" of lead singer for this desperate band. Geezus - they're a rock band, they aren't exactly solving world hunger or preventing the next plague.

Neal Schon, the perpetual adolescent. Sounds like he stopped growing emotionally the day he quit high school.

Steve and Lydia Augeri survived a nine-year bullet.

Jeff and Rebecca Soto dodged one.

I suppose one should give kudos to Friga for managing to maintain a marriage through the cluster, uh, "freak" known as "Journey".

God help Arnel if he is the next lead singer.

Oooooo, I am SO pissed off right now.........

[Playitloudforme]

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Listen, dumbfuck. Jeremey said it all in his blog. READ THE BLOG, then you will see what went on. If other family members of the band were there, with kids, when discussions and auditions were going on, then why should Sabrina be left out? You are the most fucking idiotic person. The only fallout, or shit that is going on, is coming from YOU!

And if you call what Jeremey did unprofessional, then Frick and Frack were unprofessional too, your moron! Go have your eyes checked.

Then go climb into that slime infested hole you came out of.

Sallee... I love ya hon!!!!

[donnaplease]

I'm kind of flip flopping on my views....Frontiers will last as long as J wants it to, but if he gets the chance to perform/record with Journey, fkin do it!!! Maybe not for a lloonngg time, but hell, there has to be SOME ego involved here, the desire to perform in front of 10-30 thousand screaming fans???? Just the thrill of doing it a few times, man....what a rush that would be?

I don't necessarily see that as flip-flopping, T. In fact, I believe that is exactly what many people have said in the past of this situation. I have felt ambivalent about it all, but simply want what's best for Jeremey and his family. I must say, in my opinion he has handled it better than I could've ever imagined. It takes true character to walk away from something like that. I know it's not as simple as that, there were other factors at play, but ultimately I believe looking at the big picture was always priority number one. Was it brave or foolish? IDK the answer to that. The world may never know....

[nolippin]

What you and the blind groupies are conveniently ignoring is that it was not his wife's presence that was the problem, but her involving herself in the discussions. I'm reading what Jeremey is writing...not falling for the spin he's trying to put on it after the fact.

Decisions in the music business can sometimes be very cold. Jeremey would have been wise to have left the door open for future discussions, but instead he decided to go the National Enquirer route. No professional outfit is going to want to touch him after this, and no amount of foot stamping by his groupies on this board is going to change that.

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Listen, dumbfuck. Jeremey said it all in his blog. READ THE BLOG, then you will see what went on. If other family members of the band were there, with kids, when discussions and auditions were going on, then why should Sabrina be left out? You are the most fucking idiotic person. The only fallout, or shit that is going on, is coming from YOU!

And if you call what Jeremey did unprofessional, then Frick and Frack were unprofessional too, your moron! Go have your eyes checked.

Then go climb into that slime infested hole you came out of.

[ProgRocker53]

What you and the blind groupies are conveniently ignoring is that it was not his wife's presence that was the problem, but her involving herself in the discussions. I'm reading what Jeremey is writing...not falling for the spin he's trying to put on it after the fact.

Decisions in the music business can sometimes be very cold. Jeremey would have been wise to have left the door open for future discussions, but instead he decided to go the National Enquirer route. No professional outfit is going to want to touch him after this, and no amount of foot stamping by his groupies on this board is going to change that.

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Listen, dumbfuck. Jeremey said it all in his blog. READ THE BLOG, then you will see what went on. If other family members of the band were there, with kids, when discussions and auditions were going on, then why should Sabrina be left out? You are the most fucking idiotic person. The only fallout, or shit that is going on, is coming from YOU!

And if you call what Jeremey did unprofessional, then Frick and Frack were unprofessional too, your moron! Go have your eyes checked.

Then go climb into that slime infested hole you came out of.

Hey Captain, do you even think Jeremey wants attention from a professional outfit at this point?! It seems that he is perfectly content with his life and family as is, considering he rejected touring with a popular rock band!

[Clasicrockldy]

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Listen, dumbfuck. Jeremey said it all in his blog. READ THE BLOG, then you will see what went on. If other family members of the band were there, with kids, when discussions and auditions were going on, then why should Sabrina be left out? You are the most fucking idiotic person. The only fallout, or shit that is going on, is coming from YOU!

And if you call what Jeremey did unprofessional, then Frick and Frack were unprofessional too, your moron! Go have your eyes checked.

Then go climb into that slime infested hole you came out of.

Sallee... I love ya hon!!!!

Right back at cha, K!

[nolippin]

You guys really need to learn to read for comprehension. Jeremey states HIMSELF in his bitter blog that HE called Jon Cain back to say he had overreacted. Jeremey did not turn the gig down. THEY passed on him. Now he chooses to spin it as though he walked away because he's such a family man.

Believe what you want. If Jeremey has a professional bone left in his body, it knows that I'm right, and he will stop this bitter crusade before he gets his butt blacklisted.

What you and the blind groupies are conveniently ignoring is that it was not his wife's presence that was the problem, but her involving herself in the discussions. I'm reading what Jeremey is writing...not falling for the spin he's trying to put on it after the fact.

Decisions in the music business can sometimes be very cold. Jeremey would have been wise to have left the door open for future discussions, but instead he decided to go the National Enquirer route. No professional outfit is going to want to touch him after this, and no amount of foot stamping by his groupies on this board is going to change that.

You're just going around in circles. Bottom line is that you are one of Jeremey's groupies just like the person who started this thread. No amount of reality is going to change your mind.

If Jeremey can't see that what he is doing here is professionally unacceptable, then he deserves the fallout that is sure to come.

Listen, dumbfuck. Jeremey said it all in his blog. READ THE BLOG, then you will see what went on. If other family members of the band were there, with kids, when discussions and auditions were going on, then why should Sabrina be left out? You are the most fucking idiotic person. The only fallout, or shit that is going on, is coming from YOU!

And if you call what Jeremey did unprofessional, then Frick and Frack were unprofessional too, your moron! Go have your eyes checked.

Then go climb into that slime infested hole you came out of.

Hey Captain, do you even think Jeremey wants attention from a professional outfit at this point?! It seems that he is perfectly content with his life and family as is, considering he rejected touring with a popular rock band!

[Playitloudforme]

What you and the blind groupies are conveniently ignoring is that it was not his wife's presence that was the problem, but her involving herself in the discussions. I'm reading what Jeremey is writing...not falling for the spin he's trying to put on it after the fact.

Sorry sport, wrong again. I'm not a groupie. I've never heard Jeremey play, nor seen any of his you tube videos. I've ZERO concept of what the man can or cannot do.

Give it up dude. Your arguements hold no weight.

[nolippin]

You're clearly no professional either...sport...or you would be able to see the damage that is being done to Jeremey and his credibility here.

What you and the blind groupies are conveniently ignoring is that it was not his wife's presence that was the problem, but her involving herself in the discussions. I'm reading what Jeremey is writing...not falling for the spin he's trying to put on it after the fact.

Sorry sport, wrong again. I'm not a groupie. I've never heard Jeremey play, nor seen any of his you tube videos. I've ZERO concept of what the man can or cannot do.

Give it up dude. Your arguements hold no weight.

[Playitloudforme]

You're clearly no professional either...sport...or you would be able to see the damage that is being done to Jeremey and his credibility here.

You are a laugh at this point. WHAT damage? In what area? How in god's name can this possibly affect him or Frontiers? He's NOT auditioning for Van Halen fer chrissakes.... he sings for Frontiers. Get real... If anything, his credibility factor just skyrocketed in my book, as he has values. Family Values.

I'm so done with this... buh bye. Have a nice life.

[nolippin]

Like I said. Any professional could see the problem.

It's fine that he is happy remaining in a weekend band, and even better that he has a day job. He's cut himself off at the knees as far as getting anything more.

You're clearly no professional either...sport...or you would be able to see the damage that is being done to Jeremey and his credibility here.

You are a laugh at this point. WHAT damage? In what area? How in god's name can this possibly affect him or Frontiers? He's NOT auditioning for Van Halen fer chrissakes.... he sings for Frontiers. Get real... If anything, his credibility factor just skyrocketed in my book, as he has values. Family Values.

I'm so done with this... buh bye. Have a nice life.

[Saint John]

Like I said. Any professional could see the problem.

It's fine that he is happy remaining in a weekend band, and even better that he has a day job. He's cut himself off at the knees as far as getting anything more.

You're clearly no professional either...sport...or you would be able to see the damage that is being done to Jeremey and his credibility here.

You are a laugh at this point. WHAT damage? In what area? How in god's name can this possibly affect him or Frontiers? He's NOT auditioning for Van Halen fer chrissakes.... he sings for Frontiers. Get real... If anything, his credibility factor just skyrocketed in my book, as he has values. Family Values.

I'm so done with this... buh bye. Have a nice life.

You're 100% correct. A family man that puts his family first has no business near Journey or 99.9 % of the rock and roll industry.

[ohsherrie]

I think we should put nolippin in the same bag with that other troublemaking moron(who shall remain unnamed) that haunts us. Then tie the top closed.

[nolippin]

You're 100% correct. A family man that puts his family first has no business near Journey or 99.9 % of the rock and roll industry.

SJ, I don't disagree with that statement at all. What I challenge is the "family man" spin Jeremey is trying to put on this after the fact.

Like I said. Any professional could see the problem.

It's fine that he is happy remaining in a weekend band, and even better that he has a day job. He's cut himself off at the knees as far as getting anything more.

You're clearly no professional either...sport...or you would be able to see the damage that is being done to Jeremey and his credibility here.

You are a laugh at this point. WHAT damage? In what area? How in god's name can this possibly affect him or Frontiers? He's NOT auditioning for Van Halen fer chrissakes.... he sings for Frontiers. Get real... If anything, his credibility factor just skyrocketed in my book, as he has values. Family Values.

I'm so done with this... buh bye. Have a nice life.

You're 100% correct. A family man that puts his family first has no business near Journey or 99.9 % of the rock and roll industry.

[donnaplease]

You're 100% correct. A family man that puts his family first has no business near Journey or 99.9 % of the rock and roll industry.

OMG!!!! How UNPROFESSIONAL!!!!!

[JH'sTXfan]

I've never heard Jeremey play, nor seen any of his you tube videos. I've ZERO concept of what the man can or cannot do.

That is easy to remedy. Click below.

[Playitloudforme]

I've never heard Jeremey play, nor seen any of his you tube videos. I've ZERO concept of what the man can or cannot do.

That is easy to remedy. Click below.

COOL! Thanks for a link!

[JH'sTXfan]

I've never heard Jeremey play, nor seen any of his you tube videos. I've ZERO concept of what the man can or cannot do.

That is easy to remedy. Click below.

COOL! Thanks for a link!

Glad to help.

[donnaplease]

I've never heard Jeremey play, nor seen any of his you tube videos. I've ZERO concept of what the man can or cannot do.

That is easy to remedy. Click below.

Here's another one. Recorded by some "groupie" (me) on my digital camera. Totally blew me away!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EgS2bNkmA0

[5KRunner]

I don't post here very often but I just had to add my "two cents"

FIRST OFF, let me say that I want to commend Jeremy for putting his family first before what probably would have been a "dream job".

SECOND, let me just say I was outraged by what Jeremy posted on his blog about the band's view of his family situation. As a wife and a mother I cannot believe that the band would actually expect someone to put his life/family on hold for a band gig...let me rephrase that, put his life on hold for Journey. Don't get me wrong, I love Journey as much as the rest of the people on this thread. Well Journey, Smourney, who the fuck do they think they are???? Not that I would ever think it was right to ask anyone to give up the precious moments of their child's first steps and/or first words and give themsevles 100% but I think it would be a little more tolerable if they were the hottest band of today making millions of $$$$ But the fact is (and I know some of you will take offense to this) they are a bunch of "has been" old men. And to make those type of demands on someone just because their wife made a couple hand signals during an audition. On top of everything, I can't imagine what Sabrina must be thinking with the knowledge that her presence at the audition was a supposed deal-breaker. That's a lot of stress/pressure to place on a pregnant women who's going through a complicated pregnancy and then makes a trip clear across the country for that??????!!!!!! That's a crock of shit!!!!

On a personal note, I have only met Sabrina once but let me say, what a fantastic person. When I saw Frontiers with my husband, AR, and the rest of the crew in College Park, I suddenly was plagued with a intense migraine headache and all of the fixin's (nausea, etc.). A very kind Frontiers agreed to let me stay back stage where I could lay down in the dark. Well, a 5-month pregnant Sabrina with her maternal instincts already kicking in, repeatedly came backstage to check on me to make sure I was OK. That's pretty nice for someone you just met (Thank you, Sabrina). All I have to say is shame on Journey and Neal Schon, what an ass!!!

Sidenote: Like I said, I don't post here often, so I never got a chance to say congratulations to Jeremy and Sabrina on the arrival of your beautiful little boy!!!! Welcome to the wonderful world of sleep deprivation Actually, neither Ed or I can complain about that because Kristen started sleeping through the night at 4 weeks. However, we're getting our payback now because she's starting to have "night terrors". Nothing like being awaken by the ear-piercing shrill of a little one that is having a nightmare Thank God she goes right back to sleep.

Take care!!

Lori (Mrs. AR)

[Clasicrockldy]

Well said! Mrs. AR! nolippin just doesn't get this. And what is more telling is that nolippin isn't holding Frick and Frack to that "professionalism" he/she touts that Jeremey should have done with the auditions and band discussions. I am curious on how nolippin' made it this far in life with lack of brains.

[donnaplease]

Well said! Mrs. AR! nolippin just doesn't get this. And what is more telling is that nolippin isn't holding Frick and Frack to that "professionalism" he/she touts that Jeremey should have done with the auditions and band discussions. I am curious on how nolippin' made it this far in life with lack of brains.

Very interesting take, Sallie. Hmmm.... So, is what you're saying that Frick and Frack are not only first-class jerkweeds, but also unprofessional to boot??? Kinda hypocritical, huh? Whoda thunk it...

[nolippin]

Jeremey is the one who decided to drag his wife into this.

[Matthew]

Believe what you want. If Jeremey has a professional bone left in his body, it knows that I'm right, and he will stop this bitter crusade before he gets his butt blacklisted.

I have to say that I agree with Nolippin. I actually supported Jeremey's decision to write the blog at first and I really like the guy's voice - particularly on the original material he's written. So I'm not writing from a hostile perspective at all.

But after catching up on all the recent posts here which the blog has now inspired...I've got to say that Jeremey isn't coming out of this at all well now. And I hope he can pull back from this.

What advantage can there be to opening the door to a conversation amongst a bunch of online nutters like us about your own wife and her possible role in this opportunity not working out ? Here we are discussing the guy's family now. It's completely ridiculous and totally unprofessional.

If anything the recent arguments actually justify Schon and Cain's instinct that Jeremey has problems with maintaining 'boundaries' regarding both his family and the increasingly hostile fan base.

Anyway...just my opinion...and I'm not saying this to bash Jeremey who's always seemed like a really good bloke to me....but I hope that somebody he trusts will do the right thing and pursuade him to lay low for a while.