Jeremey forum update The Dealbreaker

[donnaplease]

No where does it say that his wife was invited into discussions about band business...quite the contrary...he states himself that Neal in particular was "freaked out" by her.

And no where does it say she wasn't. You make it sound like she stormed into the warehouse like an ogre demanding to be included in each and every decision that Journey made. There is no evidence of that. What I read was that she asked questions about an upcoming tour. What's the harm in that? Okay, so Neal was freaked out about it. TPTB talked to Jeremey, he talked to Sabrina, and a compromise was reached. From my perspective, Jeremey seemed very understanding of the situation, knowing at least part of the history (and who doesn't know about SP and Sherrie?) Why do you keep harping on it?

You're reaching, dude. And the more you talk, the more vindictive you look.

[JH'sTXfan]

Another place where we disagree. That's bashing, IMO.

I've called his actions cowardly, and I stand by my opinion.

I haven't bashed Jeremey.

That's BS. You've called him cowardly twice now.

[nolippin]

Again...in his own words:

the day after i told jon that i “wasn’t the guy for the job,” i called him back and said i may have been hasty and overreatcted a bit, but i don’t want to close the door completely…you guys need to find out what you want to do, cause your obviously not all on the same page, and when you sort that out, and if i’m still an option, give me a call and we’ll talk.

And for two months he has been whining about it all over the internet.

I haven't bashed Jeremey. I have offered my opinions about what he has posted jsut as you and others have. I'm expecting him to be man enough to own his part in Journey's decision to pass on him as their lead singer and move on instead of adding to the bashing of a band we all grew up with.

If you don't like it, don't read it.

Then we haven't bashed Journey, we've just offered our opinions on them just as you have. Jeremey hasn't bashed them once. He's given his opinion on what happened with his audition. The fact he was asked to audition speaks volumes about his talent. And for your information, evidently you misread this time, Jeremey turned them down.

[Rick]

I haven't bashed Jeremey.

That's BS. You've called him cowardly twice now.

I've called his actions cowardly, and I stand by my opinion.

Now you're backpeddling.

[Clasicrockldy]

Moonbeam you seem like a nice lady, but go back and read what Jeremey wrote himself. No where does it say that his wife was invited into discussions about band business...quite the contrary...he states himself that Neal in particular was "freaked out" by her.

For Jeremey to now drag his business and his wife's all over the internet is cowardly and unprofessional. Neal and Jon did not open any discussions about Jeremey's wife or any other aspect of his audition. Jeremey did that himself, IMO, for his own self serving reasons.

Yeah, I bet Neal was freaked out because Sabrina has interest in her husband's career, and going thru a difficult pregnancy at the same time. Don't you see that it puts NEAL in a bad light because I bet he knew what was going on with Sabrina and doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone but himself and the band? Neal can't even keep a marriage together.

You stupid fucker. Don't you know that Neal and Jon don't say squat to anyone about anything? They don't give a shit about loyal longtime fans. They don't even connect with the fans anymore. To them, we are dollar signs. They don't really like to give you the time of day at a meet and greet.

Good God! For Jeremey's self-serving reasons he started the blog? Hey, fucker, Jeremey started the blog because people wanted to know about the audition with Journey. How is that self-serving when he was being asked about the audition? So he decided to start a blog outside of MR to tell the story that people wanted to hear. He was asked and he gave. No self-serving reason there. I bet Sabrina and Jeremey thought long and hard, and discussed this between themselves before starting the blog.

Again, your arguments don't hold water. Go find someone else to nitpick on.

[Moon Beam]

Moonbeam you seem like a nice lady, but go back and read what Jeremey wrote himself. No where does it say that his wife was invited into discussions about band business...quite the contrary...he states himself that Neal in particular was "freaked out" by her.

For Jeremey to now drag his business and his wife's all over the internet is cowardly and unprofessional. Neal and Jon did not open any discussions about Jeremey's wife or any other aspect of his audition. Jeremey did that himself, IMO, for his own self serving reasons.

Thank you, I like to think on my good days....I am a nice lady.
Yes...I realize what Neal stated by way of Jeremey's blog.
They may not have invited her opinion in the biz circle but for the good
of what I was raised by....
When you invite someone to be part in any gathering you gotta know that they
will have thoughts, opinions and feelings.
I am not questioning Mrs Hunsickers presence or her comunication with her Hubby Bub
in his performance......I wish I could get my Hubby Bub to respond
to hand signals.

They INVITED HER TO BE THERE.
Cool if it was a business move and they chose a different person.
We are all human beings that live and breath in emotion, experience and common sense.
(if we balanced all three we'd all be poy-fect)
We make ALL our decisions on such.
It is my opinion that Jeremey would have made a fine singer for the band
but I think ego's and cold hearted cash clings had more to play in this than
most of us care to put forth.

[nolippin]

He started a blog outside of this forum, but continues to bring the discussion here where not everyone agrees with him.

Moonbeam you seem like a nice lady, but go back and read what Jeremey wrote himself. No where does it say that his wife was invited into discussions about band business...quite the contrary...he states himself that Neal in particular was "freaked out" by her.

For Jeremey to now drag his business and his wife's all over the internet is cowardly and unprofessional. Neal and Jon did not open any discussions about Jeremey's wife or any other aspect of his audition. Jeremey did that himself, IMO, for his own self serving reasons.

Yeah, I bet Neal was freaked out because Sabrina has interest in her husband's career, and going thru a difficult pregnancy at the same time. Don't you see that it puts NEAL in a bad light because I bet he knew what was going on with Sabrina and doesn't give a flying fuck about anyone but himself and the band? Neal can't even keep a marriage together.

You stupid fucker. Don't you know that Neal and Jon don't say squat to anyone about anything? They don't give a shit about loyal longtime fans. They don't even connect with the fans anymore. To them, we are dollar signs. They don't really like to give you the time of day at a meet and greet.

Good God! For Jeremey's self-serving reasons he started the blog? Hey, fucker, Jeremey started the blog because people wanted to know about the audition with Journey. How is that self-serving when he was being asked about the audition? So he decided to start a blog outside of MR to tell the story that people wanted to hear. He was asked and he gave. No self-serving reason there. I bet Sabrina and Jeremey thought long and hard, and discussed this between themselves before starting the blog.

Again, your arguments don't hold water. Go find someone else to nitpick on.

[Clasicrockldy]

He started a blog outside of this forum, but continues to bring the discussion here where not everyone agrees with him.

Again, a stupid statement. Someone else brought the blog here, not Jeremey. Are you really that dense?

Again. I will ask this. Why don't you hold Neal and Jon accountable for their "unprofessionalism"? Quit avoiding it.

[Rick]

He started a blog outside of this forum, but continues to bring the discussion here where not everyone agrees with him.

No, Talisma brought it here this time, so he continued nothing. I like how you change things to benefit your weak and insignificant blathering.

[Clasicrockldy]

He started a blog outside of this forum, but continues to bring the discussion here where not everyone agrees with him.

The only person I see not agreeing with him is you, and maybe Matthew. So where is the everyone else you speak of?
Dumbfuck.

[nolippin]

Yes, and Talisma and their 7 posts seems to have been a hit and run poster.

He started a blog outside of this forum, but continues to bring the discussion here where not everyone agrees with him.

No, Talisma brought it here this time, so he continued nothing. I like how you change things to benefit your weak and insignificant blathering.

[Rick]

Yes, and Talisma and their 7 posts seems to have been a hit and run poster.

You had 7 posts at one time too. I, for one, wish it had stayed at that.

[stevew2]

[quote="donnaplease"][quote="texafana"]I'm kind of flip flopping on my views....Frontiers will last as long as J wants it to, but if he gets the chance to perform/record with Journey, fkin do it!!! Maybe not for a lloonngg time, but hell, there has to be SOME ego involved here, the desire to perform in front of 10-30 thousand screaming fans???? Just the thrill of doing it a few times, man....what a rush that would be?[/quote]

I don't necessarily see that as flip-flopping, T. In fact, I believe that is exactly what many people have said in the past of this situation. I have felt ambivalent about it all, but simply want what's best for Jeremey and his family. I must say, in my opinion he has handled it better than I could've ever imagined. It takes true character to walk away from something like that. I know it's not as simple as that, there were other factors at play, but ultimately I believe looking at the big picture was always priority number one. Was it brave or foolish? IDK the answer to that. The world may never know....[/quote]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with you Donna, It took gutts to do what Jeremey did. Most would cave in and say fuck the family I got to sing for Journey, bye bye, but I think he knew he would be fucked just like Steve and Jeff were also. All thouigh I would have loved to have him as Journeys singer {which i would have supported} I think he made the right decision not to throw his wife and child under the bus for them fucking losers. The first time he would fly home to see his wife and child,they fly in Arnel,and we would be stuck with tickets to a accented Journey concert. Dont think they would think twice about it

[ohsherrie]

You're reaching, dude. And the more you talk, the more vindictive you look.

He's just trying to keep the shit stirred and smelling as bad as he can make it. Ignore him and his posts will be the only stinking ones.

[Rick]

You're reaching, dude. And the more you talk, the more vindictive you look.

He's just trying to keep the shit stirred and smelling as bad as he can make it. Ignore him and his posts will be the only stinking ones.

True. It just strikes me as peculiar someone can have the whole message board against them and still think they're right.

[nutz4Neal]

Ya know it's easy to understand the dismay over all of this and jump on the bashing band wagon. However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job. If you want the promotion then you gotta go run the office in Australia for a year, or go train in Prague or Warsaw. This is really nothing new. Also think of all our armed service people spending months & years in Iraq, Afghanistan, or just barracks duty on some Japanese island. Family separation & bad timing happen all the time.

"However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job
You have hit the nail on the head. Journey is a business just like any other corporate business. When they are working, 100% is expected by everyone in their organization and is necessary for success. Just like the success they have accomplished in the past, if they want to continue this same success, total 100% effort is necessary by all.

Families may be slighted at times, but in the long run they will reap the benefits or rewards.

[donnaplease]

Ya know it's easy to understand the dismay over all of this and jump on the bashing band wagon. However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job. If you want the promotion then you gotta go run the office in Australia for a year, or go train in Prague or Warsaw. This is really nothing new. Also think of all our armed service people spending months & years in Iraq, Afghanistan, or just barracks duty on some Japanese island. Family separation & bad timing happen all the time.

"However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job
You have hit the nail on the head. Journey is a business just like any other corporate business. When they are working, 100% is expected by everyone in their organization and is necessary for success. Just like the success they have accomplished in the past, if they want to continue this same success, total 100% effort is necessary by all.

Families may be slighted at times, but in the long run they will reap the benefits or rewards.

This isn't really about bashing for me. In fact, it's really the opposite. I'm more impressed by Jeremey than dismayed at Journey. Having been to several Frontiers shows, I can say that I've never seen him give anything less than 100%, and I would expect no different if he were fronting Journey. I just take issue with someone who wants to trash him because he CARES about the significance this change, especially at this time in his life, would bring for him.

[ohsherrie]

You're reaching, dude. And the more you talk, the more vindictive you look.

He's just trying to keep the shit stirred and smelling as bad as he can make it. Ignore him and his posts will be the only stinking ones.

True. It just strikes me as peculiar someone can have the whole message board against them and still think they're right.

That's because he doesn't care what's said about him. He's only here to stir the shit. When you respond to him you're really just manning the other spoon.

[nolippin]

It strikes me as peculiar that the same handful of Jeremey groupies continuously try to make everyone believe that they represent "the whole message board". This board has several hundred international members. Your numbers are loud and profane but few.

You're reaching, dude. And the more you talk, the more vindictive you look.

He's just trying to keep the shit stirred and smelling as bad as he can make it. Ignore him and his posts will be the only stinking ones.

True. It just strikes me as peculiar someone can have the whole message board against them and still think they're right.

[Clasicrockldy]

It strikes me as peculiar that the same handful of Jeremey groupies continuously try to make everyone believe that they represent "the whole message board". This board has several hundred international members. Your numbers are loud and profane but few.

I don't speak for the whole messageboard. I speak only for myself. I have never met Jeremey, nor have I been to his concerts either. I am on the other coast. So you can't say that I am a Jeremey groupie. I read what he had to say. And I draw my own conclusions, which differ greatly from yours. The only thing I do is I take it at face value what I read, and I don't go looking for anything between the lines when there isn't any.

[Clasicrockldy]

"However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job
You have hit the nail on the head. Journey is a business just like any other corporate business. When they are working, 100% is expected by everyone in their organization and is necessary for success. Just like the success they have accomplished in the past, if they want to continue this same success, total 100% effort is necessary by all.

Families may be slighted at times, but in the long run they will reap the benefits or rewards.

What exactly are the benefits and rewards the family gets? Money? Better housing? Cars? Shit, that means nothing. What I see as a detriment to the family is an absentee, and possibly an emotionally absent father/mother. And I feel that the families will be slighted more than what you say.

I married into a family who had money. Father was absent most of the time. Yeah, the father made money, had a million dollar plus home, could pick any car, and still they were the most unhappiest family I ever came across. They played like they were the happiest family around, but they weren't. They were dysfunctional. So I really don't see any rewards or benefits when a father/mother gives 100% to a company, and leave the family blowing in the wind.

[koberry]

Neal and Amber split? Must've missed that...

[conversationpc]

Neal and Amber split? Must've missed that...

You're surprised? Neal may as well just book a permanent spot on some reality dating show.

[chf34jmac]

Yeah word has it that the evil twin he keeps in his trousers went on holiday with some French chick.

[Clasicrockldy]

Hey nolippin'! You didn't answer my question. Don't you think Neal and Jon were being "unprofessional" in having their wives, girlfriends, and kids there during auditions and band discussions? If you say Jeremey was "unprofessional" in having his wife there, same goes for Neal and Jon.

[Moon Beam]

It strikes me as peculiar that the same handful of Jeremey
groupies continuously try to make everyone believe that they represent "the whole message board".
This board has several hundred international members.
Your numbers are loud and profane but few.

Like in a vote of any elections I would say, only those
that make their choice or opinion known seem to be the
way of how things lay.
Here at MR those that post their thoughts and opinions hold water.
Same ship, different Sea.

[nutz4Neal]

"However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job
You have hit the nail on the head. Journey is a business just like any other corporate business. When they are working, 100% is expected by everyone in their organization and is necessary for success. Just like the success they have accomplished in the past, if they want to continue this same success, total 100% effort is necessary by all.

Families may be slighted at times, but in the long run they will reap the benefits or rewards.

What exactly are the benefits and rewards the family gets? Money? Better housing? Cars? Shit, that means nothing. What I see as a detriment to the family is an absentee, and possibly an emotionally absent father/mother. And I feel that the families will be slighted more than what you say.

I married into a family who had money. Father was absent most of the time. Yeah, the father made money, had a million dollar plus home, could pick any car, and still they were the most unhappiest family I ever came across. They played like they were the happiest family around, but they weren't. They were dysfunctional. So I really don't see any rewards or benefits when a father/mother gives 100% to a company, and leave the family blowing in the wind.

I'm sorry that you had that experience and can certainly see where it could go both ways.

On the other hand, I was raised in modest circumstances. My father came from a a dirt poor family but worked hard and in the long run he got a good education & was moderately successful. I am very thankful to him for that & wish I were more like him; but still I struggled.

Long story, but eventually I was lucky to marry a man who worked in corporate America with an average of 60 hrs. per week. Our family was seperated for long periods of time while he pursued his job and dreams of making a good life for his family.

More of the long story, but at the age of 59 he was able to retire and we are dept free. Our kids are all educated with good jobs and happy families. AND, we could all not be happier together today. We're looking forward to spending the holidays together.

This was all possible because my husband gave 100% to the job and the framily sacrificed at times to support him.

[Moon Beam]

Families may be slighted at times, but in the long run they will reap the benefits or rewards.

That could be the most ill, bad feel post I have seen in this thread.

[cudaclan]

Ya know it's easy to understand the dismay over all of this and jump on the bashing band wagon. However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job. If you want the promotion then you gotta go run the office in Australia for a year, or go train in Prague or Warsaw. This is really nothing new. Also think of all our armed service people spending months & years in Iraq, Afghanistan, or just barracks duty on some Japanese island. Family separation & bad timing happen all the time.

"However, ya gotta realize that this happens every single day to people in corporate America that want that next job
You have hit the nail on the head. Journey is a business just like any other corporate business. When they are working, 100% is expected by everyone in their organization and is necessary for success. Just like the success they have accomplished in the past, if they want to continue this same success, total 100% effort is necessary by all.

Families may be slighted at times, but in the long run they will reap the benefits or rewards.

Meritless comments as this have contributed to dysfunctional families. I am a good father because I sent my support payment but have not seen my children. Do you think military personnel want to be away from their families? Some of them do. I will not discuss the personal lives of those likes though. Their offspring are not noted as “military brats” for nothing. You recite an oath upon serving your country. One of the last entities you serve is your family and religion. I prefer to place priorities in my family. Sacrifices should not jeopardize a marriage or family. It only cheapens it to a commodity that is sold and bought.

[Clasicrockldy]

I'm sorry that you had that experience and can certainly see where it could go both ways.

On the other hand, I was raised in modest circumstances. My father came from a a dirt poor family but worked hard and in the long run he got a good education & was moderately successful. I am very thankful to him for that & wish I were more like him; but still I struggled.

Long story, but eventually I was lucky to marry a man who worked in corporate America with an average of 60 hrs. per week. Our family was seperated for long periods of time while he pursued his job and dreams of making a good life for his family.

More of the long story, but at the age of 59 he was able to retire and we are dept free. Our kids are all educated with good jobs and happy families. AND, we could all not be happier together today. We're looking forward to spending the holidays together.

This was all possible because my husband gave 100% to the job and the framily sacrificed at times to support him.

Your story must be one of the few out there that acutally has a happy ending to it. I applaud you and your family. But realistically, there are possibly more divorces, detriments in corporate America than ones that made it through. Most of us don't see the good ones that survive.

But I am looking at this from the Journey aspect, and I see that Neal can't hold onto a marriage. I don't know if he has good relationships with his children. Those things should be just as important as a band.

I can say that I am not cut out for the Corporate World, thank heaven. I have different views on what is more important to me.