Support for Arnel.

by **wastingbeerz** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:01 pm

Am I the only one here willing to actually give Arnel a chance to prove himself with Journey if he's truly their new singer? Seriously. People have him written off already simply based on youtube videos that were filmed in an extremely tiny club. I know all the bashers are going to say "you don't understand" or "you're not a real Journey fan if you give him a chance" or the ever popular "you'll never understand because you'll never be as big of a Journey fan as I am". Well, truth is, the fact that I'm willing to support the band through pretty much anything shows how devoted a Journey fan I am. From what I've heard of Arnel he does have an amazing voice, maybe not THE voice that everyone came to know and love Journey from, but an amazing voice capable of handling the entire catalog through and through. I will be one of the first to admit that I will be purchasing a ticket on the very first day of tickets going on sale to the Journey show with whomever has been deemed worthy to help the Journey continue. Seriously though, to all the bashers... give Arnel a chance... wait until you actually see and/or hear him perform with Journey... and THEN make a judgement. I think a lot of you will be really surprised when you finally see/hear him with the band (this is still if he is the guy) even though you think you already know what he can (or can't, judging by most of the comments i've seen) offer the band. Truth is, until you see it and hear it... no one actually knows. Maybe they'll have chemistry. Anyhow, here's my "throwing of the hat" into the arena of supporting Arnel if he's the guy.

And by the way... JSS still rocks!!!

by **Saint John** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:11 pm

I've been on record numerous times stating that, like all other lineups, I'll give this one a chance.

by **wastingbeerz** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:14 pm

But people like us, our numbers appear to be few and far between. Hell, whenever there was that rumour going around about Corey Taylor being the new lead singer of Anthrax, I was even willing to give that a chance, even though there's an obvious clash of styles there. Of course, in this situation, I really don't see a clash of styles.

by **Voyager** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:24 pm

I don't think anyone here has anything against Arnel personally, nor do I think that he is a bad singer. I just think people are worn out on Journey's attempts to replace Steve Perry. Can you imagine if the Rolling Stones were on their third Mick Jagger replacement?

by **stevew2** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 3:41 pm

Fuck No

by **Gibby** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:00 pm

I will support the new lineup like I have supported every lineup Journey has conjured up since their first album. This band has been a revolving door of players and singers since its birth. Why should now be any different?

by **bluejeangirl76** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:02 pm

Voyager wrote:I don't think anyone here has anything against Arnel personally, nor do I think that he is a bad singer. I just think people are worn out on Journey's attempts to replace Steve Perry. Can you imagine if the Rolling Stones were on their third Mick Jagger replacement?

Exactly. I'm not about to stand around arguing how big a Journey fan I am or was. I just don't care anymore. Sometimes you can be a big fan of a person or group and they just keep doing things that turn you off. There was a time I would have gone to any Tom Cruise movie. I thought he was great. He went weird and he finally just turned me off. Around the same time I decided I wanted to marry Steve Perry when I was about 7 years old, :lol:

I also had a big thing for Michael Jackson. I knew all his songs and I watched all his videos... ask me if I give a shit now? He went even weirder AND he's a freakin' pedophile. I don't care if he records another 10 records, I just plain don't give a damn anymore. It's hard to remain a devoted fan of anything if you can't respect it or him or her or them.

Roughly the same thing with Journey. Actually with Journey I was becoming re-interesed with JSS. And just when I'd become fully interested to see what was up, they re-killed my interest. I don't have to be the biggest fan. I don't have to prove anything. And I'm not about to say anything against anyone who does support them. By all means, have at it. But me... I'm tired of it.

Journey is now the Tom Cruise of rock and roll for me.

by **Saint John** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:06 pm

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Voyager wrote:I don't think anyone here has anything against Arnel personally, nor do I think that he is a bad singer. I just think people are worn out on Journey's attempts to replace Steve Perry. Can you imagine if the Rolling Stones were on their third Mick Jagger replacement?

Exactly. I'm not about to stand around arguing how big a Journey fan I am or was. I just don't care anymore. Sometimes you can be a big fan of a person or group and they just keep doing things that turn you off. There was a time I would have gone to any Tom Cruise movie. I thought he was great. He went weird and he finally just turned me off. Around the same time I decided I wanted to marry Steve Perry when I was about 7 years old, I also had a big thing for Michael Jackson. I knew all his songs and I watched all his videos... ask me if I give a shit now? He went even weirder AND he's a freakin' pedophile. I don't care if he records another 10 records, I just plain don't give a damn anymore. It's hard to remain a devoted fan of anything if you can't respect it or him or her or them.

Roughly the same thing with Journey. Actually with Journey I was becoming re-interesed with JSS. And just when I'd become fully interested to see what was up, they re-killed my interest. I don't have to be the biggest fan. I don't have to prove anything. And I'm not about to say anything against anyone who does support them. By all means, have at it. But me... I'm tired of it.

Journey is now the Tom Cruise of rock and roll for me.

Fair enough. Good post.

by *Laura » Mon Nov 05, 2007 4:25 pm

Arnel has my support because I believe he is an amazingly talented singer.It's not his fault that the band he'll be fronting is a very productive Bad Decisions Factory. :roll:

Not sure if I'll ever see a live show with this line-up,but if I'll be at the right time in the right place,I might be curious to hear them.
If Arnel sounded so good with that shitty band of his in a poor sounding club set-up,I can only imagine the way he'll sound with a bunch of pros on a real sound system.

by **Talisma** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 5:15 pm

I'll support him !!!
BUT....
I'm afraid he'll have a knife in his back within 12 months.
And after that all the people who have been making Arnel jokes will start supporting him as well.
Remember, you read it here first :wink:

SP, SA & JSS ROCKS !!!

by **cyclonus5150** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:36 pm

wastingbeerz wrote:Am I the only one here willing to actually give Arnel a chance to prove himself with Journey if he's truly their new singer? Seriously. People have him written off already simply based on youtube videos that were filmed in an extremely tiny club. I know all the bashers are going to say "you don't understand" or "you're not a real Journey fan if you give him a chance" or the ever popular "you'll never understand because you'll never be as big of a Journey fan as I am". Well, truth is, the fact that I'm willing to support the band through pretty much anything shows how devoted a Journey fan I am. From what I've heard of Arnel he does have an amazing voice, maybe not THE voice that everyone came to know and love Journey from, but an amazing voice capable of handling the entire catalog through and through. I will be one of the first to admit that I will be purchasing a ticket on the very first day of tickets going on sale to the Journey show with whomever has been deemed worthy to help the Journey continue. Seriously though, to all the bashers... give Arnel a chance... wait until you actually see and/or hear him perform with Journey... and THEN make a judgement. I think a lot of you will be really surprised when you finally see/hear him with the band (this is still if he is the guy) even though you think you already know what he can (or can't, judging by most of the comments i've seen) offer the band. Truth is, until you see it and hear it... no one actually knows. Maybe they'll have chemistry. Anyhow, here's my "throwing of the hat" into the arena of supporting Arnel if he's the guy.

And by the way... JSS still rocks!!!

Sorry, I'm pretty much done with this band going forward. I just can't take them seriously anymore. I've listened to just about anything I can find of Arnel's and honestly can't see why they would have ever replaced JSS for this. Sure, his voice was definitely set to take them in a different direction and they may not have been comfortable with that but he was a professional and I would have accepted whatever the band became. I could have accepted Steve A more than this guy. There just doesn't seem to be anything of substance to his voice...no soul, no real grace or power, which is pretty much a prerequisite to appropriately sing these songs. It's crazy because these songs mean so much to so many people and so much thought and emotion went into them from the people that wrote them that it's almost a crime that they take them out on the road with such a mediocre talent. Ultimately I can almost say without a doubt in my mind that these songs are dead without Steve Perry. I believe that now more than ever. He truly believed in these songs and remains loyal to the songs as they were. While I could certainly be wrong about this, I truly feel that Perry stays away because he knows they can't be performed the way they deserve to be performed. It's a complete injustice for them to do what they're about to do.

by **Rip Rokken** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:43 pm

I'll give them a chance as I really care about the music above all. Sure, I think they've done some crappy things, and I hated what happened to both Steve A. and JSS for sure. If I ever quit liking the music, I'll quit buying it, and if I don't enjoy watching the musicians perform, I'll quit buying concert tickets.

by **wildone** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:30 pm

[quote="*Laura"]Arnel has my support because I believe he is an amazingly talented singer.It's not his fault that the band he'll be fronting is a very productive Bad Decisions Factory. :roll:

what do you mean it's not his fault??he didn't have to join...and i'm sure he knew how this band is ...so....he made his bed ...lets see if he gets kicked out of it.. :lol:

by **Jeremey** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:44 pm

I'm willing to give Arnel the benefit of the doubt because he obviously has the chops to sing the songs. Where my hesitation lies is in his stage presence and ability to connect with American audiences. Before Pedro or anyone else comes in and calls me racist, that's just an observation, that from the videos I have seen, he is a pretty reserved guy on stage, and unlike some, I do have difficulty determining what is true emotional sincerity in his voice and what is mimicking the notes and delivery - Only because it is difficult to connect emotionally to the meaning of what you are singing in a foreign language. I am sure if David Lee Roth went out and covered a bunch of French love songs, there would be a major part of what he did that would be phonetically repeating words and phrases rather than a deep understanding of what he was singing. The great thing about Journey, however, is that those melodies are universal, and it is not difficult to feel the music and find a place inside yourself that moves you to sing. The stage presence is another issue, though, as Arnel's background is one very familiar to many musicians....Entertaining for business class audiences in hotel bars and on cruise ships is very different from stirring an entire ampitheater of spirited, energetic fans. I'm sure with the right work and coaching that he can develop a "routine" to keep the audience involved, though truly captivating an arena full of fans may be something he has to find while out on the road. And there lies my ultimate concern with their selection, in that I was sure there were more than a handful of known and unknown singers out there used to working a crowd and giving a show-stopping performance that could have covered the material and would have been fabulous as well. In this choice, and through my personal experience, I feel like the band may have made the selection based in part on someone that could be molded, developed, and to some degree controlled, in order to "get the job done." Aside from that - As I've said, Arnel's an excellent vocalist and one that can definitely bring the Journey sound, so I am willing to give him a chance.

by **Eric** » Mon Nov 05, 2007 11:55 pm

Jeremey wrote:I'm willing to give Arnel the benefit of the doubt because he obviously has the chops to sing the songs. Where my hesitation lies is in his stage presence and ability to connect with American audiences. Before Pedro or anyone else comes in and calls me racist, that's just an observation, that from the videos I have seen, he is a pretty reserved guy on stage, and unlike some, I do have difficulty determining what is true emotional sincerity in his voice and what is mimicking the notes and delivery - Only because it is difficult to connect emotionally to the meaning of what you are singing in a foreign language. I am sure if David Lee Roth went out and covered a bunch of French love songs, there would be a major part of what he did that would be phonetically repeating words and phrases rather than a deep understanding of what he was singing. The great thing about Journey, however, is that those melodies are universal, and it is not difficult to feel the music and find a place inside yourself that moves you to sing. The stage presence is another issue, though, as Arnel's background is one very familiar to many musicians....Entertaining for business class audiences in hotel bars and on cruise ships is very different from stirring an entire ampitheater of spirited, energetic fans. I'm sure with the right work and coaching that he can develop a "routine" to keep the audience involved, though truly captivating an arena full of fans may be something he has to find while out on the road. And there lies my ultimate concern with their selection, in that I was sure there were more than a handful of known and unknown singers out there used to working a crowd and giving a show-stopping performance that could have covered the material and would have been fabulous as well. In this choice, and through my personal experience, I feel like the band may have made the selection based in part on someone that could be molded, developed, and to some degree controlled, in order to "get the job done." Aside from that - As I've said, Arnel's an excellent vocalist and one that can definitely bring the Journey sound, so I am willing to give him a chance.

You are a big man to post this after everything. I have a lot of respect for you.

by **Matthew** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:17 am

Voyager wrote:I don't think anyone here has anything against Arnel personally, nor do I think that he is a bad singer. I just think people are worn out on Journey's attempts to replace Steve Perry. Can you imagine if the Rolling Stones were on their third Mick Jagger replacement?

No, I can't. But equally I can't imagine the Rolling Stones replacing Mick Jagger full stop. If they'd taken that unthinkable step once...then I really don't imagine it would matter how many times they changed singers after that. It still wouldn't be the real deal with the second singer or the fourth one.

by **JrnyScarab** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 12:48 am

Jeremey wrote:And there lies my ultimate concern with their selection, in that I was sure there were more than a handful of known and unknown singers out there used to working a crowd and giving a show-stopping performance that could have covered the material and would have been fabulous as well.

Let's see, maybe someone like a guy named JSS! :wink:

OOPS! Too late for that.

Seriously, I know what you are saying. The singing is only half the battle. Putting on a show is another.

Ed

by **heardonthestreet** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:00 am

I've always been willing to give any new frontman for Journey a listen, just to give my opinion. Like I've written before, I can't blame them for trying to stay relevant without Perry. They are a band. If they can find someone who is as good as or better than Mr.Perry, Journey will win ALL of the fans hearts again. It's the biggest challenge in a bands history, to reunite all the fans that their name brought together, whoever fronts them.

by **(Crazy)Dulce Lady** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:33 am

Gibby wrote:I will support the new lineup like I have supported every lineup Journey has conjured up since their first album. This band has been a revolving door of players and singers since its birth. Why should now be any different?

good point. even from the beginning, pre-perry.

but the drumming seat has been a sort of musical chairs too. why isn't that a source of debate?

what about Journey going back to being a jam band? hehe :twisted:

by **strangegrey** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 1:47 am

I'm still extremely sceptical that yet another lead singer at this stage of the game is going to do anything but hurt the band's intangible assets.

I've said it before, a band can survive possibly 1 lead singer change(following establishment) over the course of it's career. We've seen that with Van Halen. But the glaring difference is that VH was able to move forward with Sammy because Sammy brought alot more to the table...and VH wasn't afraid of moving forward with him.

Alot of Journey's lead singer moves have beeen sorta like if VH lost Roth in 85 and went out and got Ralph Seanz, http://www.theatomicpunks.com/,...which would have been an utter failure.

So here goes Journey....going to try this failed recipe of replacing Perry's voice again...with yet another sound-alike. This is sorta like a guy going up to a door, neglecting the doorknob....and repeatedly bashing his head against the door. Changing heads isn't going to get him through the door.

The added/compounded problem...is that through all of these singer changes, the band continues to smash a legacy that could have had them recognized as one of the greatest. Now, they're just the greatest joke...I don't even tell anyone I'm a Journey fan anymore. I'm sick of the laughter that results.

So yeah, I'll give Arnel as fair a shake as I can muster. But the cold hard facts here...are that I'm going to be 10x more critical than I was with JSS....which will be 100x more critical than I was with Augeri. Arnel's going to have to move mountains to get me to accept this.

I'm not alone with this mindset...and I'd be willing to bet that, so long as people understand the time-line/progression, they will be equally skeptical.

For those people that seem to think the singer doesn't care to the casual fan...I truly hope Journey does get the opportunity to tour with Perry again, because they'll eat those words when the concert attendance increases by a factor of 10-15 the very first show out with the original singer back in tow.

by **Voyager** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:08 am

Jeremey wrote:...I do have difficulty determining what is true emotional sincerity in his voice and what is mimicking the notes and delivery...

To have emotion, creativity, passion, and sensitivity in a singer usually means also having an opinion - which is obviously not something that Frigga and Fro want in a frontman. If these guys could get away with playing Journey music with no singer at all, they would prefer that over dealing with the extra baggage that an opinionated singer brings to the table. Therefore, they have found someone who can slightly emulate Perry's vocals with no soul, no emotion, no passion, and most of all - no opinion. When the tour is over, he will get dumped on the side of the road. Adios amigos!

:roll:

by **Voyager** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 2:16 am

Matthew wrote:
Voyager wrote:I don't think anyone here has anything against Arnel personally, nor do I think that he is a bad singer. I just think people are worn out on Journey's attempts to replace Steve Perry. Can you imagine if the Rolling Stones were on their third Mick Jagger replacement?

No, I can't. But equally I can't imagine the Rolling Stones replacing Mick Jagger full stop. If they'd taken that unthinkable step once...then I really don't imagine it would matter how many times they changed singers after that. It still wouldn't be the real deal with the second singer or the fourth one.

I felt the same way when Steve Perry was first replaced, but I was told to suck it up, get over it, and move on. Then I had to endure the endless posts about how great Steve's replacement was, which I really couldn't seem to grasp - as much as I tried. Now I go to Arnel's YouTube page, and I read comments that this guys is supposedly "better than Steve Perry himself". I find that to be blasphemous. That's like saying an Elvis impersonator is better than Elvis. How can you be better than the person you are trying to impersonate? Can you be better at being someone than that person is at being themself? It makes no more sense than what Frigga and Fro are trying to do by parading yet one more Perry impersonator out on the road to try to mimic what can never be mimicked. I hate to say it, but the word karaoke seems to fit this situation more than any other word I can think of.

by **Barb** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:21 am

Nothing against Arnel at all -- I think he has a great voice. Journey is a joke as far as I'm concerned. My music passion lies elsewhere and I can't see myself going back.

by **Soto All The Way** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:28 am

wastingbeerz wrote:Am I the only one here willing to actually give Arnel a chance to prove himself with Journey if he's truly their new singer? Seriously. People have him written off already simply based on youtube videos that were filmed in an extremely tiny club. I know all the bashers are going to say "you don't understand" or "you're not a real Journey fan if you give him a chance" or the ever popular "you'll never understand because you'll never be as big of a Journey fan as I am". Well, truth is, the fact that I'm willing to support the band through pretty much anything shows how devoted a Journey fan I am. From what I've heard of Arnel he does have an amazing voice, maybe not THE voice that everyone came to know and love Journey from, but an amazing voice capable of handling the entire catalog through and through. I will be one of the first to admit that I will be purchasing a ticket on the very first day of tickets going on sale to the Journey show with whomever has been deemed worthy to help the Journey continue. Seriously though, to all the bashers... give Arnel a chance... wait until you actually see and/or hear him perform with Journey... and THEN make a judgement. I think a lot of you will be really surprised when you finally see/hear him with the band (this is still if he is the guy) even though you think you already know what he can (or can't, judging by most of the comments i've seen) offer the band. Truth is, until you see it and hear it... no one actually knows. Maybe they'll have chemistry. Anyhow, here's my "throwing of the hat" into the arena of supporting Arnel if he's the guy.

And by the way... JSS still rocks!!!

FUCK ARNEL.....He's a joke.

e- :roll:

by **bluejeangirl76** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:43 am

Soto All The Way wrote:
FUCK ARNEL.....He's a joke.

e-

I'm agreeing on that, not because of anything personally with Arnel, but because I hate seeing a band I grew up on and loved a lot turn into it's OWN cover band. It's just sick and sad and wrong. And that is precisely why I previously said that they lost my respect and killed my interest.

by **Voyager** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 3:57 am

What irritates the wounds even more is when Neal says something like, "Steve Perry is trying to relive the past in a way to say 'Hey, remember me?' " It frustrates Neal to see Perry in the public eye because he is obviously trying to get people to forget about him by parading countless replacements on tour as a way of saying "Steve who?". Maybe he thinks if he confuses people with enough karaoke singers, they will just forget about Perry?

Not happening in this lifetime or any other Neal. Elvis has left the building.

:roll:

by **bluejeangirl76** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:25 am

Voyager wrote:What irritates the wounds even more is when Neal says something like, "Steve Perry is trying to relive the past in a way to say 'Hey, remember me?' "

Totally. That's exactly why I called it a cheap shot. That statement could have ended and stood fine before that "remember me" shit came out. If Perry really wanted to go on a "remember me" trip and outshine Neal and/or Journey, he could very easily do it without reissuing or remastering a damn thing. Besides, Sony was going to put that DVD out regardless of Perry's input. He got in on it so it would be "done right". And why shouldn't he? His name is on the thing. Neal made money on that DVD and on the remastered CDs, so who cares what Perry's reason was for doing it? Cheap. Shot. Especially coming as it does from someone who's still riding those tux tails with the greatest of ease. I mean, if they want to duplicate the old Journey sound and duplicate Perry's voice of stage with an impersonator, then whatever - but at least have the stones to admit it (actually Jon more or less did admit it...) and quit taking shots at Perry for doing the same thing (living in the past).

by **conversationpc** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:30 am

bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Voyager wrote:What irritates the wounds even more is when Neal says something like, "Steve Perry is trying to relive the past in a way to say 'Hey, remember me?' "

Totally. That's exactly why I called it a cheap shot. That statement could have ended and stood fine before that "remember me" shit came out.

"Remember Me" is a great song.

by **Rick** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:31 am

conversationpc wrote:
bluejeangirl76 wrote:
Voyager wrote:What irritates the wounds even more is when Neal says something like, "Steve Perry is trying to relive the past in a way to say 'Hey, remember me?' "

Totally. That's exactly why I called it a cheap shot. That statement could have ended and stood fine before that "remember me" shit came out.

"Remember Me" is a great song.

by **brywool** » Tue Nov 06, 2007 4:43 am

Hi to everyone!
I think Arnel will be fine. He's a great singer and people bashing him because of his ethnicity... come on people...
Now if they can just replace Cain and Schon! I just don't feel inclined to give those two nuttyasses any more dough.
"Cover Band"? I can't agree with this. If they fired their main singer, got another, blew his voice and reputation away, got another, fired him, now have another.... I'm not sure how that makes this a cover band. If Perry came back, it'd be the real deal, but he ain't, so either the band hangs it up (my vote) or they go on. This is their living and they're entitled to it.

MR

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